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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => TYRES | WHEELS | BRAKES => Topic started by: baroudeur on January 18, 2012, 13:13:41
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I have an i30 Comfort with space saver spare. The Premium model has 17" wheels with a full size spare . I notice that there are plastic inserts designed to accept screws around the boot floor and the floor immediately behind the rear seats is somewhat higher than the rest of the floor. Is there a false floor fitted to these screws in the Premium to raise the height to allow the 17" wheel to lie flus or is the well deeper /wider in the Premium model to accommodate the 17" wheel?
As I now have a set of winter wheels I would like to use one as a full size spare if I can get a flat boot floor when it is in the well.
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Hey Baradeur
Some of the older non premium models also came with a full size spare wheel, not sure why Hyundai changed to the space saver, tho it does make a the boot about 2-3 inches deeper.
To answer your question, the only thing possible would be to buy the plastic dividers that help raise the floor up from you local dealer, or acquire from a scrap/breakers yard.
The mounting points should already be on your boot flower to allow them to screw in. Only disadvantage would be that your mounting point/hooks would need to be changed to longer ones also, to allow for the higher load line.
The boot well is the same spec for all i30 hatches in terms of widths and circumference, but only differs in the height with your example.
Advantage of the raised load level is you acquire some neat under-floor cubby holes, ideal for storage of hi-vis jackets, first aid kits, locking nuts etc, without rattling in your spare wheel well. Also make the floor level completely flat when the seats are folded down :)
Hope this helps
Sye
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Excellent explanation thanks Sye .. Good on you :goodjob:
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Excellent explanation thanks Sye .. Good on you :goodjob:
Cheers Daz, thought it might be a tad long winded. The mothers car has the full size wheel :) I unfortunately.fortunately dont, allows more room for the boot build
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To answer your question, the only thing possible would be to buy the plastic dividers that help raise the floor up from you local dealer, or acquire from a scrap/breakers yard.
There is one more way - it is to cut the dividers from a foam plastic :mrgreen:
If anyone is interested I can post a link to Russian i30 forum with detailed photos
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To answer your question, the only thing possible would be to buy the plastic dividers that help raise the floor up from you local dealer, or acquire from a scrap/breakers yard.
There is one more way - it is to cut the dividers from a foam plastic :mrgreen:
If anyone is interested I can post a link to Russian i30 forum with detailed photos
That's a good idea, would it be easy to do? And how cost effective? The oem stuff also has built in elastic straps to keep stuff fastened down, also would look better for resale purposes. OEM would last longer also surely
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That's a good idea, would it be easy to do? And how cost effective? The oem stuff also has built in elastic straps to keep stuff fastened down, also would look better for resale purposes. OEM would last longer also surely
Easy enough and one has to pay for a foam plastic only, which is cheap
Here is a link to the forum with photos
http://www.hyundai-iclub.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=2043 (http://www.hyundai-iclub.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=2043)
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Thanks. I have pondered over same problem - having suffered 3 punctures already on my i30 (in less than 2 years) I don't want to be stuck having to use the space saver more than to get me to a tyre depot etc. So having a pukka (albeit winter tyre) in the boot would be preferable. Another issue I have is that my car has 16" alloys (ie OE wheels & summer tyres), the winter wheels I have are 15", but the tool tray I have will not fit inside the 15" wheel. I have been scanning Ebay for likely scrap i30's (or maybe a Cee'd?) for the likely pieces, so far to no avail.
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Thanks. I have pondered over same problem - having suffered 3 punctures already on my i30 (in less than 2 years) I don't want to be stuck having to use the space saver more than to get me to a tyre depot etc. So having a pukka (albeit winter tyre) in the boot would be preferable. Another issue I have is that my car has 16" alloys (ie OE wheels & summer tyres), the winter wheels I have are 15", but the tool tray I have will not fit inside the 15" wheel. I have been scanning Ebay for likely scrap i30's (or maybe a Cee'd?) for the likely pieces, so far to no avail.
That plastic foam (polystyrene) by the looks, doesnt look too bad, but if loading a spare wheel out, and a punctures one in, (wet) would that not damage it over time?
Looks ok as a temp fix, but I think if selling on would look better with the OEM, just personal. if you have seen it, you know its a good fit.
C'eed would be different I think.
If you good at carpentry/wood work, something out of MDF etc would be a a better fix maybe?
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Many thanks for the replies.
So, the full size spare fits under a false floot screwed to the existing plastic blanks? What material is used for this floor? Must try to get a look at a car with a full size spare at a dealer.
The Russian idea seems good using dense polystyrene foam sheet. As the spare wheel hole in the pictures is not large enough to remove the wheel it may be better to not cut the hole but lay the sheet over the spare and top it with hardboard..
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Many thanks for the replies.
So, the full size spare fits under a false floot screwed to the existing plastic blanks?
If I get a chance in the next day or two, I'll try to get a few photographs of my mums boot, to let you see how it sits :)
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If I get a chance in the next day or two, I'll try to get a few photographs of my mums boot, to let you see how it sits :)
Thanks. That is appreciated.
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Just made a study of the Russian pictures and I don't think that this a mod to accommodate a full size spare.
In picture 2 the polystyrene sheet is 50mm thick and sitting on top of whatever is in the spare wheel well which, presumably, is a space saver wheel because in picture 3 there are items packed at each side of the foam to make a level surface. It is unlikely that he has added another 50mm to the height of a full size spare as it wouldn't make sense.
It seems he has just made spaces for storage and levelled the boot floor to lie flush with the rear seats folded down.
Or have I got it wrong? Anyone read Russian?
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baradeur
You made a right conclusion, though having enlarged the center hole one can fit the full size wheel inside.
I do read Russian :P; read, write, speak
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baradeur
You made a right conclusion, though having enlarged the center hole one can fit the full size wheel inside.
I do read Russian :P; read, write, speak
Wouldn't have thought the diameter of the hole needed increasing, or am i misunderstanding you?
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An idea with foam was borrowed from another guy, who made it for full size wheel
http://www.hyundai-iclub.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1934&st=0&p=33453&#entry33453 (http://www.hyundai-iclub.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1934&st=0&p=33453&#entry33453)
no niches for other items though
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Wouldn't have thought the diameter of the hole needed increasing, or am i misunderstanding you?
well, that guy said that he had cut the center hole, so that its diameter would be equal to the diameter of the tool kit
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As far as my knowledge goes, all the spare wheel wells are of the same diameter, it wouldn't be cost effective for hyundai to have to make two different sized wheel wells. :/ very confusing :S
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As far as my knowledge goes, all the spare wheel wells are of the same diameter, it wouldn't be cost effective for hyundai to have to make two different sized wheel wells. :/ very confusing :S
Well I think I know what puzzled you (otherwise I give up and leave to study English harder :mrgreen:).
When I wrote:"having enlarged the center hole one can fit the full size wheel inside," I meant to increase the hole in that foam sheet, not in the car's structure.
Yes, all wells are of the same diameter.
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As far as my knowledge goes, all the spare wheel wells are of the same diameter, it wouldn't be cost effective for hyundai to have to make two different sized wheel wells. :/ very confusing :S
Well I think I know what puzzled you.
When I wrote:"having enlarged the center hole one can fit the full size wheel inside," I meant to increase the hole in that foam sheet, not in the car's structure
Yes, all wells are of the same diameter.
That makes sense :razz:
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As far as my knowledge goes, all the spare wheel wells are of the same diameter, it wouldn't be cost effective for hyundai to have to make two different sized wheel wells. :/ very confusing :S
It's not the diameter that's the problem and I have tried a full size (205/55 x 16) which fits the space. However, it projects 65 mm above the metal floor around the well where the space saver spare lies 15mm below the surface and the circular foam jack holder tray adds 10mm to bring it flush with the floor. BTW the foam tray does not fit into the 16" wheel so something else to modify.
Does the Premium model with 225/45 x 17 wheels have a deeper false floor to accommodate the extra 20mm or a 205/55 x 16 spare ?
Unless the OE spacers and floor parts are reasonably priced ( :blubber: we're talking Hyundai !!) I don't think I'll bother.
My last puncture was 40 years ago. Mustn't tempt fate.
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An idea with foam was borrowed from another guy, who made it for full size wheel
http://www.hyundai-iclub.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1934&st=0&p=33453&#entry33453 (http://www.hyundai-iclub.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1934&st=0&p=33453&#entry33453)
no niches for other items though
Having measured and tried a 205/55 x 16 wheel in the well I suspect that the spare wheel used in the link you have given is a 185/65 x 15. The circular recess cut into the 50mm thick foam sheet seems to indicate that the spare wheel is about 25mm above the floor where a 205/55 is 65 mm higher.
Also removing and replacing that foam sheet several times is likely to cause it to break up.
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Also removing and replacing that foam sheet several times is likely to cause it to break up.
In fact I haven't punctured any of my car's wheels so far since I got my first car in 2008, so I doubt you would remove and replace the spacer often. :winker:
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but I've been trying to brainstorm a new place for the space saver spare to be put as I need that space for a subwoofer :cool: the dimensions I've measured on the spare is 5" width (or height laying down) 23" diameter. Can anyone think of a new spot?
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but I've been trying to brainstorm a new place for the space saver spare to be put as I need that space for a subwoofer :cool: the dimensions I've measured on the spare is 5" width (or height laying down) 23" diameter. Can anyone think of a new spot?
My suggestion is to work your way around the car trying different spots (I don't like your chances) Don't think there is enough room underneath anywhere and definitely no room in the engine compartment.. You might have to revert to a tube of that repair gunk :idea:
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I just had a "sticky" under the car...and I think that the only way would be to remove the plastic fluted cover that "protects" the underside of the wheel well floor and then get a drop down wheel holder like are often fitted to utes and vans.
It could be then adapted to hinge /pivot from the chassis rail just to the rear of the fuel filler pipes.
On the exhaust side, there would need to be a bracket welded or bolted to the chassis that will have a "floating bolt, that can be loosened enough to slip out of the bracket and allow the cradle to drop down.
I have this style on my Mitsubishi Express van.. I have taken some photos, but will have to refresh my memory on the use of photobucket to post them..
Otherwise....go for a "continental pack" ah la the 1950's... chrome cover .... :P ..and maybe a swing away pivot like a modern 4WD... :rofl:
Meanwhile I will post this... :)
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If I get a chance in the next day or two, I'll try to get a few photographs of my mums boot, to let you see how it sits :)
Thanks. That is appreciated.
apologies for the delay, and awesome iPhone pictures
but hope they give you an idea of the OEM finish.
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc379/syecadelic/25a522fd.jpg)
with the OEM set up, everything sits flush when the seats are down. (I should mention that the 'carpet' cover is actually different from a non full size set up. (stronger)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc379/syecadelic/c4341238.jpg)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc379/syecadelic/4b980579.jpg)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc379/syecadelic/954d101b.jpg)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc379/syecadelic/fac008d6.jpg)
with the OEM set up you also end up with a small opened cubby hole, handy for work gloves etc.
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The pictures do the job Sye (thanks for that) :goodjob:
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Here are the images of the underbody carrier....:
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x342/elleB2/th_TyreCarrier.jpg)[/URL]
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x342/elleB2/th_Carrierbrace.jpg)[/URL]
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x342/elleB2/th_Swinghinge.jpg)[/URL]
Looks like you have some other suggestions, but ....the more the merrier... :D
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Thanks for those photos too Tony :goodjob: but do you think there really would be enough ground clearance under the i30 to do that (even with plastic cover removed) :confused:
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And, you DO NOT want to have to get the spare out of that carrier and replace the damaged tyre on the side of the road.
It's difficult enough on 4WD with it's extra ground clearance. On a small(ish) Hatch, it would be a bloody nightmare.
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Thanks for those photos too Tony :goodjob: but do you think there really would be enough ground clearance under the i30 to do that (even with plastic cover removed) :confused:
I definitely wouldn't, especially with the tow bar removed and lowered suspension, could do more damage than welcomed
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I can't see the authorities allowing that modification at all. In fact it could be very dangerous. If the tyre were to get caught at speed on a projection in the road, there could be loss of control, destruction of the frame and the tyre ripping from the vehicle presenting a danger to other road users. Vehicles with underslung spares have flat floors which allows space for the spare to be located on the outside. That recess in the boot is there for a purpose. :(
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Agreed with what's said above, even a space saver would be too low. What of 3 passengers are in the back ad a full load to te boot, and the i30 naturally sits lower
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I like the idea of putting it under the car (I think the cw/Touring has more ground clearance back there) but I do agree that should there ever be an accident I'd hate to hear what the insurance company tells me :scared: nevermind what damage it could possible do to others. I think the next idea is either under a seat (maybe the driver if there's room) or on the interior roof with a nice cloth cover (directly above where it currently sits).
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I think the next idea is either under a seat (maybe the driver if there's room) I dont think so :Shocked: or on the interior roof with a nice cloth cover (directly above where it currently sits).Will block rear vision to a dangerous extend .. just had a look at Trish's CW
Sorry if I sound like a party pooper but I think a tube of puncture repairer is about your only option... :disapp:
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What's the width of the space saver wheel?....
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5" by 23" diameter
I have also pondered making a new home for it on the passenger side wall of the boot. That would require a bit of work with fiberglass probably.
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5" by 23" diameter
I have also pondered making a new home for it on the passenger side wall of the boot. That would require a bit of work with fiberglass probably.
That's about the only logical alternative spot.
I've seen it done with Falcon station wagons in Oz when they fit a third row of seats in the rear.
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5" by 23" diameter
I have also pondered making a new home for it on the passenger side wall of the boot. That would require a bit of work with fiberglass probably.
That's about the only logical alternative spot.
I've seen it done with Falcon station wagons in Oz when they fit a third row of seats in the rear.
Now that might work :goodjob:
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apologies for the delay, and awesome iPhone pictures
but hope they give you an idea of the OEM finish.
with the OEM set up, everything sits flush when the seats are down. (I should mention that the 'carpet' cover is actually different from a non full size set up. (stronger)
with the OEM set up you also end up with a small opened cubby hole, handy for work gloves etc.
Many thanks for taking the trouble.
It is not what I had visualised at all. I will be visiting my dealer to see what the costs are for the various bits. It seems the four lashing eyes are mounted higher than mine so may need replacing as well as the boot floor carpet and tool tray...methinks megabucks are involved. You'd think that a common set up for both types of spare wheels would be simpler and cheaper for production with less parts and an easy upgrade.
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If anyone is interested in original parts
(http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m590/meehalych/ImageHandler12-1.png)
where:
85780M - code number 857502R000WK (100$)
85780D - 857502R200WK (100$)
85780L - 857502R100WK (100$)
:Shocked:
so the kit would cost 300$
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Thanks for the parts diagram. I have just visited my local dealer for prices of the five pieces required. The cheapest item is £96 and around £450 seems a likely total for all five bits.
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hmmm .. depends how badly you want it. i reckon keep an eye out on a breakers site, ive found a few online who advertise i30's for breaking, a wee google should help
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Another cost to add in ...... is for the foam tray that the jack & wheel brace etc sit in, and that sits inside the spare wheel.
In my own case, the insert tray from inside my space saver spare will not fit into either the 16" alloy wheels that came with the car, or the 15" OEM alloys that I also have shod with winter tyres.
I too yearn for a spare wheel that can go over 50mph. Not got there as yet though. I resort to carrying one of my winter wheels in the boot if going far.
Another tip - as I hate dirty spare wheels in the boot - is to carry a bin liner with the spare. Not only can you kneel on it when changing the wheel but the dirty (punctured) wheel can go into it to keep the boot contents clean.
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Another tip - as I hate dirty spare wheels in the boot - is to carry a bin liner with the spare. Not only can you kneel on it when changing the wheel but the dirty (punctured) wheel can go into it to keep the boot contents clean.
Great tip.
I could have done with one when I had my flat last week.
Used an old coat I keep in the boot to kneel on.
Had to wash the tyre down with clean water when I had the original repaired as it was caked in mud...
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Oh yes - thanks Eye30 - my wife also tells me that I am full of bright ideas!
On subject of bin liners & bright ideas - I find that those wheelie bin liners (ie great big bin liners) are ideal for protecting (=keep clean & dark) 4x winter wheels /tyres or indeed summer wheels when not in use.
And looking outside today and at the outside temperature yesterday maybe time to get those winter wheels fitted.
Ed