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Possible uneven Tyre wear on higher mileage i30 Diesels

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I'm really enjoying reading the contributions to this topic. Would it better off in the tyre section maybe?
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I'm really enjoying reading the contributions to this topic. Would it better off in the tyre section maybe?
I think Dazz put it here originally because it appeared to be specific to Diesels but I'd be happy either way. Maybe Dazz can make the call.
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I'm happy either way .. it is about a 50/50 call in my books.. What the heck I'll throw it in the tyre section  :goodjob:
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i think its an idea to get a 4 wheel alignment as soon as possible on a new car,half of the time the alignment is good,the other half its out big time.  :idea:  and for the sake of $50 its piece of mind.  :winker:
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i think its an idea to get a 4 wheel alignment as soon as possible on a new car,half of the time the alignment is good,the other half its out big time.  :idea:  and for the sake of $50 its piece of mind.  :winker:

Further to this. if you ever find yourself beside a car carrier, have a look at how the cars are tied down. There are some fancy fixing mechanisms these days but still plenty which use the old "chain over the suspension" system. Then imagine what happens to the suspension on a trip of a couple of thousand lilometers - or even a hundred.
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After only 27,000 km out of my first set of 18 inch tyres (worn badly on inside) I decided to get specialist alignment advice.  My car has had the standard springs reset to lower height and this increases camber.

 The alignment guy fitted a pair of camber adjustment bolts from pedders to the front end.  He then set alignment to 1mm toe in on rears, zero toe on front and much less front camber (from memory right side zero and left 1/3 degree or something similar).  Without the camber adjustment bolts the standard set up doesn't allow for any camber adjustment.  He said this is the cause of most front wheel drive tyre wear as the rear has little weight.  He also suggested drop rear tyre pressure down to 30-32 psi (for 18 inch) versus 40 psi on front- this will improve flat spots wearing. 

Camber kit and 4 wheel adjustment cost me $200 which is well worth it, he also adjusted me park brakes on the rear.  I'm confident the next set of tyres will last much longer as they should wear evenly. (touch wood!)


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Thanks for that Bobby (good luck) please keep us posted (only time will tell)  :confused:
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After only 27,000 km out of my first set of 18 inch tyres (worn badly on inside) I decided to get specialist alignment advice.  My car has had the standard springs reset to lower height and this increases camber.

 The alignment guy fitted a pair of camber adjustment bolts from pedders to the front end.  He then set alignment to 1mm toe in on rears, zero toe on front and much less front camber (from memory right side zero and left 1/3 degree or something similar).  Without the camber adjustment bolts the standard set up doesn't allow for any camber adjustment.  He said this is the cause of most front wheel drive tyre wear as the rear has little weight.  He also suggested drop rear tyre pressure down to 30-32 psi (for 18 inch) versus 40 psi on front- this will improve flat spots wearing. 


Camber kit and 4 wheel adjustment cost me $200 which is well worth it, he also adjusted me park brakes on the rear.  I'm confident the next set of tyres will last much longer as they should wear evenly. (touch wood!)
Bobbyd, that sounds like a good move.
FWIW I think the camber settings your guy has gone for are pretty good.
I also agree about the pressure - 32 psi would be good. This is because once you get into 40 series and below, there is so little sidewall flex that the need for a higher pressure is negated. Also, higher pressures in low profile tyres can cause some centre rib wear due to the effects of centrifigal force if you spend a lot of highway speeds.
I would have loved to see pics of your old tyres' wear patterns. When you say flat spots, were they on the front or the back, inside or outside?
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Guy's listen up !!!

These camber kits are half the price via Whiteline on the internet......Save yourself some $$$$

I note that there has not been much feed back re the ones for the rear ..... :(  ... other than what I said about the ones from Shark Racing....what about the European members that said they had access to some, albeit at a high price.

 Are they legal for onroad use in Europe/ UK ?

Does the new i30 have rear adjustment per chance ?     :undecided:

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Se reply 138 in this thread, 2. last pic:

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=15894.120

On the 2. last pic I can see there's eccentric bolts on the lower support arms, which means Camber is now adjustable on the rear axle.

This is from Misha's Kia Ceed 2012 new model, but I don't think it would be different on the new i30..
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Thanks Asterix...... worth checking out.. :goodjob2:

It would be sweet if they were interchangable.. :happydance:

 I am looking to update to the new one once the "shine" wears off the price a little and there are some good "demo" ones around....

Thanks for your input.  :cool:

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But of course our GD i30's have torsion beam rear suspension so that probably changes things........  :undecided:  :whistler:


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But of course our GD i30's have torsion beam rear suspension so that probably changes things........  :undecided:  :whistler:

You guys have the good weather, you can't have everything.. :exclaim:

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But of course our GD i30's have torsion beam rear suspension so that probably changes things........  :undecided:  :whistler:

No IRS in Oz then?


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A torsion beam is a sort of IRS with a very stiff anti-roll bar.  The torsion beam actually locates the wheels while at the same time is the roll-bar. It's a hybrid that makes sense and presumably is also cheaper. But yes it's independent in the same sense that an anti-roll bar makes any suspension less independent.

The question is: when does the (whatever) connection from one side to the other remove the independence?

Solid axles have their good points and completely unhitched have theirs. All independent suspensions these days are what I would call semi-independent.

I'm now waiting for a real suspension man to offer a proper explanation. :undecided:


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It seems to be accepted that torsion bar suspension is not as sophisticated as full IRS. However, there is an interesting discussion here though.

Firstly, it's cheaper to manufacture and probably less expensive to maintain. This is good for the manufacturer I suppose.

The dynamics of shock vibration and lateral stresses on the car are dealt with by the wheel experiencing the forces in IRS. That is, the left rear deals with forces that act on the left rear. In torsion bar, there is a design decision to actually deal with these forces on the opposite side of the car (because that's where the other side of the torsion bar is anchored.) This is directly opposed to the IRS method. Which one is best, I don't know. My feelings are that if you design to involve the other side, it could be advantageous because the disruption is distributed over 2 wheels instead of 1.

Maybe surferdude, with his rally and professional experience knows more about this. :undecided:
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It seems to be accepted that torsion bar suspension is not as sophisticated as full IRS. However, there is an interesting discussion here though.

Firstly, it's cheaper to manufacture and probably less expensive to maintain. This is good for the manufacturer I suppose.

The dynamics of shock vibration and lateral stresses on the car are dealt with by the wheel experiencing the forces in IRS. That is, the left rear deals with forces that act on the left rear. In torsion bar, there is a design decision to actually deal with these forces on the opposite side of the car (because that's where the other side of the torsion bar is anchored.) This is directly opposed to the IRS method. Which one is best, I don't know. My feelings are that if you design to involve the other side, it could be advantageous because the disruption is distributed over 2 wheels instead of 1.

Maybe surferdude, with his rally and professional experience knows more about this. :undecided:
Probably not qualified to comment on this in depth.
I come from an era when swing axles (VW/ Renault etc) were common and were known as "independent rear suspension". All the little refinements since, IMHO, are about making such systems safer and more efficient. Probably the advent of front wheel drive had a major bearing on it as well.
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Original factory tyres only lasted just over 30,000km for me - they were pretty crap! Replaced them with Michelin XM2's, they lasted over 60,000km, and now onto some cheapies, as funds were tight at that time. Up to 123,000km now.


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Bobbyd, that sounds like a good move.
FWIW I think the camber settings your guy has gone for are pretty good.
I also agree about the pressure - 32 psi would be good. This is because once you get into 40 series and below, there is so little sidewall flex that the need for a higher pressure is negated. Also, higher pressures in low profile tyres can cause some centre rib wear due to the effects of centrifigal force if you spend a lot of highway speeds.
I would have loved to see pics of your old tyres' wear patterns. When you say flat spots, were they on the front or the back, inside or outside?

The flat spots are assumed to be from the rear, thats what the alignment guy says but i rotate the tyres every 5000 so i have to take his word for it, he says any out of roundness in the tyres is then exacerbated by high pressure on a light rear end car and higher speeds.  the flat spots were quite noticeable and two or three on each tyre on the inside mainly,  the rest of the wear was on the inside of the tyre and the middles and outside still had some meat on them.



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Bobbyd, that sounds like a good move.
FWIW I think the camber settings your guy has gone for are pretty good.
I also agree about the pressure - 32 psi would be good. This is because once you get into 40 series and below, there is so little sidewall flex that the need for a higher pressure is negated. Also, higher pressures in low profile tyres can cause some centre rib wear due to the effects of centrifigal force if you spend a lot of highway speeds.
I would have loved to see pics of your old tyres' wear patterns. When you say flat spots, were they on the front or the back, inside or outside?

The flat spots are assumed to be from the rear, thats what the alignment guy says but i rotate the tyres every 5000 so i have to take his word for it, he says any out of roundness in the tyres is then exacerbated by high pressure on a light rear end car and higher speeds.  the flat spots were quite noticeable and two or three on each tyre on the inside mainly,  the rest of the wear was on the inside of the tyre and the middles and outside still had some meat on them.
That sort of wear, if on both rear tyres would be consistent with toe out at some stage in the life of the tyres.
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