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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => TYRES | WHEELS | BRAKES => Topic started by: snowcherry on October 08, 2014, 07:24:36
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Hi everyone "waves" - yes looong time no post. :disapp:
anyway i am still alive and yes i still have Snow. she was 5 years old last month in fact [no warranty now - boo!]
anyway i had a flat yesterday and after looking at the other front decided to get two new front tyres. i have googled and perused the threads in here but still stumped to what to buy [hope it was ok starting a new thread - wasn't sure if other threads were quite right as suggestions were for smaller wheels etc]
so i am still on the Kumho Solus (?sp) that came with the car - the biggest quibble i ever had with these was the noise, right from day one i thought they were terrible. i also wasn't happy that at high speeds and overtaking they sometimes felt like they wanted to lift off the road - be slightly less grippy. otherwise i've always been happy with their grip in most speeds, wet, braking etc.
so with a new pair i don't want to lose anything in grip and stability but hopefully improve the noise and that grip at higher speeds.
only other thing of note is i keep these pumped to 38psi as otherwise they feel a bit squishy, but having them that high they ride hard over bumps etc. so perhaps something that isn't 'soft' but not quite as hard either.
today i went to the 5 tyre stores in gympie and got these recommendations:
Toyo Neo3 [$224] - or Teo for a bit cheaper but superseded by Neo. edit: can't find Neo3's but there are NanoEnergy3, closest in name.
GT Radial WHP1 [$169 ] edit: bad handwriting it's Champiro UHP1
Hankook Noble2 H452 [$185 ]
Goodyear Assurance TripleMax [$200 ]
Goodyear Directional 5 [$210 ]
Bridgestone Turanza T001 [$185]
Bridgestone Sporty Style MY02 [$155]
edit:
Pirelli Cinturato P1 - $169 each
Continental $189 each or $567 on 443 deal
all prices each and inc fitting/balance.
i'm still yet to google each of these for reviews etc, but thought in the meantime i'd get some feedback here as well. or any other suggestions.
although i have come across the Toyo Teo mentioned a few times, seems popular on whirlpool etc but some reviews seem to think they are not suitable for the 17" in terms of noise and hardness i think [need to double check]
around that $200 mark is fine with me budget wise, lower is nice but want best for dollar, and some longevity in mileage is a bonus. i'm almost at 60000ks now so the kumho OEM's have been good in that department.
i saw some good reviews for Continental Comfort something but it doesn't look like these come in my size - shame as the 443 deal currently going.
also saw a few posters like the Michelin Primacy's but one local store said they wouldn't be good value for me for the price. again i think the positives i saw for these are on the smaller wheels. ?
p.s
i saw a couple of my threads have lost their photos [i closed my flickr account] but they seem to be locked and can't edit them to replace the pics.
in other news Snow has been doing very well but had a sad day back in May when someone drove out of a carpark into the side of her without looking
:mrgreen:
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Nice to hear from you snowcherry. :happydance:
If I may hijack your thread, Ruby is looking for new shoes, too.
Prices are for the Continentals 344 deal $550 for the four, balanced, aligned, etc. But 3 places have said that they don't give that many km's. :exclaim: :exclaim:
Bridgestone say $670 for 4 Continentals and the same price for one of their brands with 50k distance guarantee, rotating & pressurizing by them for the life of the tyre.
:Dunno:
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today i went to the 5 tyre stores in gympie and got these recommendations:
Toyo Neo3 [$224] - or Teo for a bit cheaper but superseded by Neo. edit: can't find Neo3's but there are NanoEnergy3, closest in name.
GT Radial WHP1 [$169 ]
Hankook Noble2 H452 [$185 ]
Goodyear Assurance TripleMax [$200 ]
Goodyear Directional 5 [$210 ]
Bridgestone Turanza T001 [$185]
Bridgestone Sporty Style MY02 [$155]
Pirelli Cinturato P1 [$169]
Continental [$189] or $567 on 443 deal
just going to add my own thoughts as i google, so i have it all in one spot.
NanoEnergy3 - can't find any customer reviews but the write up does seem promising. 69 decibel, wet weather, comfort, wear and eco.
:link: TYRES: Toyo Nano Energy 3 released - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2014/tyres-toyo-nano-energy-3-released-43931)
discounting due to being the highest cost.
GT Radial UHP1
initial searches indicate these are a budget tyre with non optimal wear and noise [on only 6 reviews]
:link: GT Radial Champiro UHP1 | the GT Radial Champiro UHP1 reviewed and rated - TyreReviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/GT-Radial/Champiro-UHP1.htm)
they do come with a 5 year guarantee on defects [presuming proof etc i guess as they list caveats such as deflated tyres etc]
currently thinking will give this one a miss unless can find improved reviews
Hancook Ventus S1 Noble 2 H452
write up seems positive on wear and noise factor, and a few mini reviews indicate they are great although a couple reviews beg to differ.
:link: Hankook Ventus S1 noble2 Tire Reviews (7 Reviews) (http://www.1010tires.com/Tires/Reviews/Hankook/Ventus+S1+noble2)
also i know some of the i30's came with hancooks OEM which were also disappointing in noise going by comments; what type was on the i30?
have a block in my head on Hancook - no real reason just not doing it for me
Continental MaxContact 5
positive reports for noise factor and comfort but finding concerns on wet grip and a floaty feel on corners/high speed. exactly what i don't want.
as it appears to have less grip at high speed and cornering will possibly skip it - although would be cheapest option on the 443 deal. will still have another look at it
Goodyear Directional 5
good for wet traction and hydroplaning - can find better for noise due to 'blocks'
:link: Review: Goodyear Eagle F1 Directional 5 - The Ultra High Performance tyre, Almost. - Zerotohundred.com (http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/features/401086-review-goodyear-eagle-f1-directional-5-the-ultra-high-performance-tyre-almost.html)
firmer sidewall [compared to?], good grip. reasonable noise for a performance tyre not great but not bad.
:link: Goodyear Eagle F1 Directional 5 - Tyres and Rims - MyCarForum.com (http://www.mycarforum.com/topic/2667660-goodyear-eagle-f1-directional-5/)
here posters say sidewall is soft *sigh* - posts seem generally positive on performance/grip etc
:link: Goodyear Eagle F1 Directional 5 | the Goodyear Eagle F1 Directional 5 reviewed and rated - TyreReviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Goodyear/Eagle-F1-Directional-5.htm)
seems okey - again i feel iffy on it though - maybe as it seems to be more a pure performance tyre rather than an all rounder?
Goodyear Assurance Triplemax
finding it hard to find reviews on this one - few review posts here seem positive overall
:link: Goodyear Assurance TripleMax User Review & Reviews (http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/product_reviews.php?BRSR=0&ID=8863)
seem to be more an all rounder compared to the Directional 5. oddly the D5 promotes being quiet but this doesn't, yet beaurepaires store swears it would be quiet.
need to find more on this one - considering it otherwise.
also note - beaurepaires have a tyre warranty for an extra $9 per tyre
Bridgestone Turanza T001
review posts seem mixed - ranging from comfortable with great handling and grip to bad handling, poor grip and quick to wear down.
must note more positives on my wheel size compared to negatives on the smaller wheel sizes.
:link: Bridgestone Turanza T001 | the Bridgestone Turanza T001 reviewed and rated - TyreReviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Bridgestone/Turanza-T001.htm)
gut feeling saying to skip this one
Bridgestone Sporty MY02
have something called 5 degree noise reduction - blurb says "Produces noise-canceling sound waves to reduce tire noise on road surfaces."
5 reviews - all happy with noise - couple not happy with wet grip
http://www.productreview.com.au/p/bridgestone-my02-sporty-style.html#reviews (http://www.productreview.com.au/p/bridgestone-my02-sporty-style.html#reviews)
traction rating only a B - apparently. should be at least A. [goes up to AA]. also some comments on this being Bridgestones budget range compared to the Potenza's [take with pinch of salt i guess, but overall opinion seems a bit low]
:link: Bridgestone MY02 price and review - Zerotohundred.com (http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/wheel-and-tyre/434129-bridgestone-my02-price-and-review.html)
will give these a miss
Pirelli CINTURATO™ P1
Premium Touring Summer tyre - 91W - utqg rating 420 A A ? [for different sized tyre]
many people happy with noise and feel, but big question marks on 'soft' sidewalls and slipping on some surfaces i.e no grip.
also iffy on wear - should be fine but some seem to indicate not as good as should be due to being softer?
also one comment about soft tyres not being great on hard suspension [is i30 hard? i think maybe?]
these are 'eco' tyres which i haven't quite figured out yet if this overall a good or bad thing in terms of performance levels.
:link: Pirelli Cinturato P1 Reviews - ProductReview.com.au (http://www.productreview.com.au/p/pirelli-cinturato-p1.html)
:link: Pirelli CINTURATO P1 | the Pirelli CINTURATO P1 reviewed and rated - TyreReviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Pirelli/CINTURATO-P1.htm)
contenders as do seem one of the quieter tyres out of above selection, however unsure due to 'soft' comments, as dislike the kumho's when slightly deflated and feel 'squishy'.
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Nice to hear from you snowcherry. :happydance:
If I may hijack your thread, Ruby is looking for new shoes, too.
Prices are for the Continentals 344 deal $550 for the four, balanced, aligned, etc. But 3 places have said that they don't give that many km's. :exclaim: :exclaim:
Bridgestone say $670 for 4 Continentals and the same price for one of their brands with 50k distance guarantee, rotating & pressurizing by them for the life of the tyre.
:Dunno:
hiya :)
which continentals was the 2different prices on?
their website doesn't show the comfort ones in the 225/45/17...or are you a different size?
i think the maxcontact comes in my size though.
edit: just sent an email to continental asking for recommendation for my size instead of the comforts
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Good luck with the research.
PS.. Threads autolock after 2 years of inactivity, so if you let a moderator know which thread(s) you require unlocking you'll be able to update your pics - thanks for checking :goodjob:
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Nice to hear from you snowcherry. :happydance:
If I may hijack your thread, Ruby is looking for new shoes, too.
Prices are for the Continentals 344 deal $550 for the four, balanced, aligned, etc. But 3 places have said that they don't give that many km's. :exclaim: :exclaim:
Bridgestone say $670 for 4 Continentals and the same price for one of their brands with 50k distance guarantee, rotating & pressurizing by them for the life of the tyre.
:Dunno:
hiya :)
which continentals was the 2different prices on?
their website doesn't show the comfort ones in the 225/45/17...or are you a different size?
i think the maxcontact comes in my size though.
edit: just sent an email to continental asking for recommendation for my size instead of the comforts
Have to check with wife, but she's on the phone to her mum, could be awhile :whistler::( :fum:
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Current tyres are 205/55/16 so I guess, the same as those.
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PS.. Threads autolock after 2 years of inactivity, so if you let a moderator know which thread(s) you require unlocking you'll be able to update your pics - thanks for checking :goodjob:
thanks shambles :)
i'll do that - probably after i figure out what tyres to buy! [and find my pics again]
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Threw some of the Toyo's on the wife's car today. We only have the pov wheels so they were 195/65/15 spec.
The Nanoenergy 3 also have the 4 4 3 deal through Tyrepower.
The 20 odd kilometres I drove today were quiet compared to the original spec. The rolling down the hill test shows they seem to have less resistance than the old ones.
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The Nanoenergy 3 also have the 4 4 3 deal through Tyrepower.
The 20 odd kilometres I drove today were quiet compared to the original spec. The rolling down the hill test shows they seem to have less resistance than the old ones.
cheers for the reply :)
oh ok. t was tyrepower that recommended them but don't recall anything about a 443. maybe he didn't mention it as i only asked for 2. or it went over my head :lol:
was it the nano's you put on? not sure what you mean by 'less resistance' - is that good or bad?
i'm curious as with my i30 i've always had issues with hill parking, as soon as you put it into gear to drive off it will roll which makes me nervous. i'm thinking less resistance means this would be even worse. ??
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Less resistance is always better. Resistance wastes fuel, so you should get better fuel consumption overall, which contributes to savings. The tyre compound can be modified to enable this result.
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i've always had issues with hill parking, as soon as you put it into gear to drive off it will roll which makes me nervous.
That's what your handbrake is for, once you start to release the clutch and you feel it starting to move then release the handbrake and your away without rolling backwards :)
A feature in the newer GD models is hill start assistance, my brakes will automatically hold the car in place for a few seconds after releasing the brake pedal when it detects your on a slope.
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Less resistance is always better. Resistance wastes fuel, so you should get better fuel consumption overall, which contributes to savings. The tyre compound can be modified to enable this result.
cheers :)
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and this is doing my head in - i'm so confused :(
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Hi Snowcherry :happydance:
Great to see you! So to speak.. Think I drove through Gympie in July with my eldest daughter on a flying visit to Harvey Bay from Caloundra.. :-[
Good luck with the tyres.. impressed with your research skills.
I have 19" Bridgestone Turanzas on my new Car.. They seem very good and not too noisy for 245 wide!
Don't be confused.. you are on the right track!
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The Nanoenergy 3 also have the 4 4 3 deal through Tyrepower.
The 20 odd kilometres I drove today were quiet compared to the original spec. The rolling down the hill test shows they seem to have less resistance than the old ones.
cheers for the reply :)
oh ok. t was tyrepower that recommended them but don't recall anything about a 443. maybe he didn't mention it as i only asked for 2. or it went over my head :lol:
was it the nano's you put on? not sure what you mean by 'less resistance' - is that good or bad?
i'm curious as with my i30 i've always had issues with hill parking, as soon as you put it into gear to drive off it will roll which makes me nervous. i'm thinking less resistance means this would be even worse. ??
:link: Toyo Tires Australia - NanoEnergy 3 Deal (http://toyotires.com.au/promotions/tyre-deal-buy-3-get-1-free-on-nanoenergy3)
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Your all doing it wrong........my tires are loud as hell and I love it. They are 265/70R17 Kumho mud tyres though :)
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Hi Snowcherry. Terrific to see you back.
I did some research recently for my daughter's Accent which will need two tyres soon.
I came to the conclusion that the Goodyear Assurance was the best option. But of course you know I'm biased. Her car takes a different size to yours but the research is unaffected by size.
The Tyrepower guys in Gympie are good blokes. Toyo or Continentals are also good options.
I'm surprised to hear that you've been told the Contis don't wear well. I'm not sure either way but I certainly have never heard this before.
IIRC Bridgeport is the Conti dealer up there and maybe (just maybe) as the new guys on the block who have fairly recently moved into newer and larger premises, they're ruffling a few feathers in the old town and this is the locals way of handling their competition.
Anyway, in summary, the Toyo, Goodyear or Continental will all do the job for you. Just choose whichever of these you feel most comfortable with.
Trev.
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Hi Snowcherry :happydance:
Great to see you! So to speak.. Think I drove through Gympie in July with my eldest daughter on a flying visit to Harvey Bay from Caloundra.. :-[
hi dazz! :mrgreen:
funny some weeks ago i wondered if you had ever driven back up this way again....lol
maybe one day we'll cross paths!
thanks on the positivity - i've actually stopped googling tonight as feeling bit bewildered, but will attack it again on friday. i can't get new ones until next week anyway.
driving to maroochydore tomorrow for an app't which i have my fingers crossed another tyre doesn't go as i have no spare spare. if i have time might get some more recommendations while down there.
then ironically Snow has a service on friday - hmmm speaking of any reason to put back a service to after new tyres are on? can't think it would make any difference, i'll just ask them to not rotate them or anything. not that they seem to have been doing that anyway.
which Turanza's do you have? i've been quoted for the T001 but have also seen some okey reviews on the Serenity Plus
Hi Snowcherry. Terrific to see you back.
I did some research recently for my daughter's Accent which will need two tyres soon.
I came to the conclusion that the Goodyear Assurance was the best option. But of course you know I'm biased. Her car takes a different size to yours but the research is unaffected by size.
The Tyrepower guys in Gympie are good blokes. Toyo or Continentals are also good options.
I'm surprised to hear that you've been told the Contis don't wear well. I'm not sure either way but I certainly have never heard this before.
IIRC Bridgeport is the Conti dealer up there and maybe (just maybe) as the new guys on the block who have fairly recently moved into newer and larger premises, they're ruffling a few feathers in the old town and this is the locals way of handling their competition.
Anyway, in summary, the Toyo, Goodyear or Continental will all do the job for you. Just choose whichever of these you feel most comfortable with.
Trev.
hi thanks for the reply.
firstly i can't see that i made any mention of wear on Conti's....i made a comment about i'd read the Toyo teo's may not be so good for the 17".
ahh i think Phil said that in reply to me. to be fair i think i have read that some conti's can wear out quick, i've seen some say that about the Teo's to. maybe they're driving with low pressure or something?
brigestone here do have the conti's - when i did ask about them they didn't seem keen to recommend them but didn't say anything negative about them either, except to say that some buyers don't like their tread pattern [on the comforts which don't come in my size anyway]. i did find that an odd comment but apparently this is a big deal for some people? i just want them to be safe, quiet and comfy.
i haven't googled the Assurance Max yet - how do you think they are on the noise side?
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Sorry I confused Phil's and your comments in my mind. Think I'm losing it. :disapp:
The Assurance will be quiet, but I haven't been involved for a while now so I can't comment on mileage.
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@ Snowcherry.. Didn't realise there was different types of Turanzas (just checked mine are the T001)
Was on a very tight schedule the day I drove through Gympie (we did well over 500kms in a little Corolla rental car that day) Daughter and I both liked Hervey Bay (I'd been there before)... :goodjob:
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Sorry I confused Phil's and your comments in my mind. Think I'm losing it. :disapp:
The Assurance will be quiet, but I haven't been involved for a while now so I can't comment on mileage.
hehe you and me both :D
so that is the Assurance triplemax you are referring to?
i popped into beaurepaires at maroochydore today as well, and they also recommended this tyre over others. i am a little concerned everyone seems to be giving me performance over comfort - maybe?. i am asking for grip and stability but also making a strong point on noise.
i guess pure comfort tyres have sacrifices in the grip/wet/braking/wear that may not be worth it over the extra quietness?
also these guys mentioned maybe matching other stores 443 deal - will need to double check if they can definitely do that [and would mean travelling back to sunny coast on my spare]. not sure whether to ask local beaurepaires if they match a 443 instead. might be pushing it if they think i'm using one store against another. not my intention - just want a good tyre at decent cost.
also went to bob jane. they recommended pirelli p1 something [need to double check name] at approx $170 each i think, but after asking them about the continentals also agreed the max contact one would be a good tyre, and they quoted approx $570 for the 4 on the 443 deal.
speaking of continental - i got a reply to my email. i asked them for a quiet tyre like the comfort in my size, but not sacrificing grip etc. they recommended Conti Sport Contact 5 and included a pdf of some tests which it has won. however there is no mention in the pdf or reviews about noise, although all very positive for performance. user feedback also positive for performance but bad for wear and next to no mention on noise, just two comments on it being a noisier tyre than others.
so i wrote back to continental, very politely thanked them for reply and agreed the recommendation looked great for performance but not so much for noise. then asked again if they had a quiet tyre for 225/45/17. i got a strange reply back stating that all tyres are quiet at first and become noisier as they get older, and maintenance will prevent from getting noisy. i found this very odd and wanted to write back then why do they place so much emphasis on quietness with the comfort ones, and that they obviously never had my kuhmos. anyway i've bitten my tongue on that reply :D
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@ Snowcherry.. Didn't realise there was different types of Turanzas (just checked mine are the T001)
Was on a very tight schedule the day I drove through Gympie (we did well over 500kms in a little Corolla rental car that day) Daughter and I both liked Hervey Bay (I'd been there before)... :goodjob:
it's ok i did get that impression from your other post it was a quickie trip :)
so happy with the T001's then?
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just a brief pitstop here tonight, haven't been home long. will have another look on the weekend.
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My T001's seem fine but a bit noisy. They are 245/40 R19 though so a lot of tyre on the road... :eek:
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My T001's seem fine but a bit noisy. They are 245/40 R19 though so a lot of tyre on the road... :eek:
19"? wow :eek:
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slowly updating my previous post with research info [which might be inadequate or wrong for others but who knows]. still no closer to decision. :rolleyes:
currently researching difference between 'touring' and 'performance'. i.e the Turanza T0001 is a 'touring' car.
from what i'm reading all tyres with some performance level will sacrifice quietness to varying extant.
am also currently curious if anyone knows how important the tyre speed and load rating is? i.e mine is 91V. only one store out of 7 i went to even checked what this rating was, so it couldn't be that important i guess.
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am also currently curious if anyone knows how important the tyre speed and load rating is? i.e mine is 91V. only one store out of 7 i went to even checked what this rating was, so it couldn't be that important i guess.
The problem is you will have to exercise self control and keep your speed below 240 Km per hour for V rating tyres
:link: Tyre Speed Rating - Ratings Explained | Blackcircles.com (http://www.blackcircles.com/general/speedrating)
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Snowcherry, you can do without the "V" rating but you MUST have the "91" it's the Load Index and is required by oth the law and your insurance.
However, most tyre in that size will comply which is probably why they haven't asked. They nost likely know it.
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The problem is you will have to exercise self control and keep your speed below 240 Km per hour for V rating tyres
i will try my best! :lol:
Snowcherry, you can do without the "V" rating but you MUST have the "91" it's the Load Index and is required by oth the law and your insurance.
However, most tyre in that size will comply which is probably why they haven't asked. They nost likely know it.
okey - some tyres don't seem to show the rating [on the internet that is] ...but if it's higher i assume that is still okey?
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Correct :goodjob:
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still pretty unsure about tyre selction [and yup taking my time on it]
currently i'm leaning to the Goodyear Assurance Max if can get the price match on 4 tyres
or if going for two tyres then the Pirelli Cinturato P1's as they seem best for their price.
biggest thing is such differing opinions on the same tyres depending on tyre size, car make and driving styles.
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Buying tyres sucks, you never really know until if the recommendation you are getting is truthful, based on number of tyres in stock, or rebates or other incentives that the seller might be getting from a particular company.
Same with customer reviews, you never really know the motivation of the person giving the review, and what the tyre was sold to them as when they made the purchase (if you bought some basic tyres and were told they were fully sick racing tyres, you would be unhappy too, but it is your perception of what you were supposed to be getting that is at fault)
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Buying tyres sucks, you never really know until if the recommendation you are getting is truthful, based on number of tyres in stock, or rebates or other incentives that the seller might be getting from a particular company.
Same with customer reviews, you never really know the motivation of the person giving the review, and what the tyre was sold to them as when they made the purchase (if you bought some basic tyres and were told they were fully sick racing tyres, you would be unhappy too, but it is your perception of what you were supposed to be getting that is at fault)
yup.
also i have little personal experience. my last car was 14 or 15" and i never actually thought about the tyres until i moved to the i30 and knew i simply wasn't happy with the kumho's. however they're still the only tyre i've used on the i30 and haven't driven another i30, so for all i know what i think i can be improved may not work out that way. if that makes sense. i won't know until i have new tyres and can see simply if i like them or not. for the cost i'll have to live with them though, unless they're shockingly bad and unsafe.
:undecided:
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A few weeks (& 13,000 kms) ago I bought four new tyres for my GD - Continental CC2s at $139 each, fitted & balanced of course.
This was before the 443 deal was announced and they are 16s.
I can't say I've found them any quieter, to be honest, but they're on there now so we'll see how they go.
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A few weeks (& 13,000 kms) ago I bought four new tyres for my GD - Continental CC2s at $139 each, fitted & balanced of course.
this was a considered tyre for me but not available in my size - the max contact is the other one on the 443 but don't review quite as well from what i can see. interesting you don't find them particularly quieter though.
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anyone reading this who does/did have the kumho solus 15 on your i30 - do you think it is a 'hard' tyre?
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I had factory Kumhos on my 16" rims and replaced them with the superseding Kumhos. They're quiet when new but get noisier as they wear. :undecided:
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I had fatory Kumhos on my 16" rims and replaced them with the superseding Kumhos. They're quiet when new but get noisier as they wear. :undecided:
A bit like a wife then. :neutral:
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A few weeks (& 13,000 kms) ago I bought four new tyres for my GD - Continental CC2s at $139 each, fitted & balanced of course.
this was a considered tyre for me but not available in my size - the max contact is the other one on the 443 but don't review quite as well from what i can see. interesting you don't find them particularly quieter though.
The GD is a bit quieter than the FD though Snowcherry.. this would make a difference..
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A few weeks (& 13,000 kms) ago I bought four new tyres for my GD - Continental CC2s at $139 each, fitted & balanced of course.
this was a considered tyre for me but not available in my size - the max contact is the other one on the 443 but don't review quite as well from what i can see. interesting you don't find them particularly quieter though.
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anyone reading this who does/did have the kumho solus 15 on your i30 - do you think it is a 'hard' tyre?
I had the Solus on mine, got 60,000k out of them. (rotating the spare). I didn't mind them, though I drive on the concrete m1 so noise really doesn't matter, there all going to be noisy.
I was going to go with Goodyear, but missed the 4 4 3 offer, so Toyo became the next thing....
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well i'm booked in for the Assurance Triplemax on thursday. they've confirmed they'll match the 443 deal. so $189x3 for tyres over $200 each normally seems a pretty ok deal.
and getting an alignment as well.
:goodjob2:
I had the Solus on mine, got 60,000k out of them. (rotating the spare). I didn't mind them, though I drive on the concrete m1 so noise really doesn't matter, there all going to be noisy.
I was going to go with Goodyear, but missed the 4 4 3 offer, so Toyo became the next thing....
the M1 and that concrete is noisy. most of my driving would be highway related. i think there is a concrete patch up this way too from memory [sunny coast] but travel the gold coast one on occasion.
i've also got shy of 60k on my solus as well, could get maybe another 5-10k on the backs but they have been wearing on the inside unevenly - since i'd have to pay for an alignment anyway and thinking that replacing just the front means i still get noise from the back tyres, i've decided to go the four over two. to be honest i've never thought of rotating my spare though, and it's now 5 years old so i guess logically i should consider replacing that as well. just can't afford to do that at the moment though, will look out for maybe a percentage off sale on the in future to match the spare.
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well i'm booked in for the Assurance Triplemax on thursday. they've confirmed they'll match the 443 deal. so $189x3 for tyres over $200 each normally seems a pretty ok deal.
and getting an alignment as well.
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I had the Solus on mine, got 60,000k out of them. (rotating the spare). I didn't mind them, though I drive on the concrete m1 so noise really doesn't matter, there all going to be noisy.
I was going to go with Goodyear, but missed the 4 4 3 offer, so Toyo became the next thing....
the M1 and that concrete is noisy. most of my driving would be highway related. i think there is a concrete patch up this way too from memory [sunny coast] but travel the gold coast one on occasion.
i've also got shy of 60k on my solus as well, could get maybe another 5-10k on the backs but they have been wearing on the inside unevenly - since i'd have to pay for an alignment anyway and thinking that replacing just the front means i still get noise from the back tyres, i've decided to go the four over two. to be honest i've never thought of rotating my spare though, and it's now 5 years old so i guess logically i should consider replacing that as well. just can't afford to do that at the moment though, will look out for maybe a percentage off sale on the in future to match the spare.
I wouldn't be in a rush to replace it....
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I wouldn't be in a rush to replace it....
cheers, had someone else say the same thing to me yesterday. so i won't worry about it for the foreseeable future. :)
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I wouldn't be in a rush to replace it....
cheers, had someone else say the same thing to me yesterday. so i won't worry about it for the foreseeable future. :)
Yes, there would be a lot of cars around with a spare that is over 5 years old (although mine seldom are) :snigger:
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I wouldn't be in a rush to replace it....
cheers, had someone else say the same thing to me yesterday. so i won't worry about it for the foreseeable future. :)
Yes, there would be a lot of cars around with a spare that is over 5 years old (although mine seldom are) :snigger:
To be fair, neither are your cars :cool:
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I wouldn't be in a rush to replace it....
cheers, had someone else say the same thing to me yesterday. so i won't worry about it for the foreseeable future. :)
Yes, there would be a lot of cars around with a spare that is over 5 years old (although mine seldom are) :snigger:
To be fair, neither are your cars :cool:
True (longest I've had a car in the last 38 years is 4 years) 1978 Renault Virage, 1998 N15 Nissan Pulsar, 2010 i30 CW...
So, I've saved a fortune on Batteries and tyres! :rofl:
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got the Assurance Triplemax today.
for the record [as couldn't find it anywhere online] the traction rating is A. [sadly not AA] and temp rating is also A. can't recall treadwear rating right now.
tentative initial thoughts:
firstly the overall road noise is not quieter - i fear it is afterall a car problem not so much a tyre problem
however the tone of noise is different. only way i can think to explain it right now is that the Kuhmos had a hard rough noise, while the Goodyears have a smoother hummy noise.
when i first saw the tyres i thought they were the wrong profile, they seemed smaller. they are the correct profile and it was pointed out they have a slight bulge in the sidewall the kuhmos didn't have, so perhaps this bulge was giving me a slight optical illusion.
steering immediately felt lighter. i believe these tyres may have less rolling resistance ?? [as commented on previously] ...so perhaps this contributes to that?
bumps/humps etc feel slightly softer, not as shock hard as the kuhmos [same 38 psi btw], and with the noise i think they absorb those bumps a bit better. so noise wise there are areas which do seem a little improved [though not hugely], though once out on open highway at 110ks it's not doing much for that overall noise level.
car seems lighter and smoother to drive - but i think more time on that to be sure.
so a mixed bag for now, and i think i need a couple hundred k's or so to see how i really feel. as long as i feel comfortable and above all safe in them i'll keep them. i put up with the kuhmos fro 5 years lol. anyway i'll update my feelings when they're a bit worn in.
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negative:
drove from beaurepaires to shops couple minutes around corner - no probs. did some shopping then hopped back in car.
got barely one minute down the road when there was an abnormal horrid extremely loud noise, the car felt like it was dragging and the ESP light started flashing [first time it's ever done this i think].
i thought a tyre had come off or maybe wheel had jammed. pulled over and couldn't see anything wrong and once i drove off again the noise was gone and no ESP light.
i tried calling beaurepaires but they didn't answer phone - must have closed for day. as i was still an hour from home was a bit nervous but it didn't happen again.
i will call local store tomorrow and see what they think it was.
asked my father and he thought maybe a weight came off/loose? anyone have any idea what happened?
positive:
found the guys at beaurepaires [maroochydore] friendly and chatty, and answered my queries positively and as helpfully as possible.
and of course they did give me a 443 deal and price match to bob jane and the continentals which was great.
i had booked the car asking to be sure they had four tyres when i got there today. they didn't! they only had two lol, but they gladly went and got the tyres from another store. phew.
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Hi Snowcherry.
I have no idea what might have caused that noise. It sounds odd. Should be checked out. I'd suggest you get Marrochydore store to arrange for you to get the car checked out in Gympie. There's a Beaurepaires store up on the hill IIRC.
Don't pay too much attention to the traction, temperature and tread wear ratings. They really don't mean much and certainly don't provide a comparison between brands. Their only real use is within the brand.
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I'd suggest you get Marrochydore store to arrange for you to get the car checked out in Gympie.
so you don't think i call gympie store directly? calling maroochydore first is easy enough anyway, thanks.
and cheers about the ratings - i had read that about the treadwear ratings, that it is only comparative within the brand not against other brands, but had assumed the traction one was comparable. :goodjob2:
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I must admit I'm not sure about the traction one now. I've been out of it for a few years.
The real test is how you find them in the wet and the feedback I've has is that they're pretty good.
Look forward to hearing how you find them.
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Maybe it was a small stone in the brakes (I had that once) ... Did you used to work for the government in an analytical capacity? :shocked:
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Maybe it was a small stone in the brakes (I had that once) ... Did you used to work for the government in an analytical capacity? :shocked:
not quite sure what you mean re analytical capacity?
took car to beaurepaires - they were quite stumped and said it's balance etc is fine. the weights haven't come off, and they can't see anything catching or interfering with anything else.
they also checked brake fluid. as i only just had my service was pretty confident it wasn't anything to do with the car.
however they also leaned to the brakes being the culprit, and said perhaps some dirt had got fallen in and caused the issue. it's quite possible i was braking when it happened as i knew there was a traffic light around a bend and possibly braked a little in prep.
anyway they are happy for me to bring it back if it happens again, it's prob just a one off random occurrence though.
re tyres - definitely lighter steering. found myself being a little more careful today getting used to it, don't want to oversteer, and generally til i get more used to how they run/feel. i'm sure tyres are softer and feel smoother. i also think it perhaps slightly rolls more cornering compared to the kumho's but that could be the lightness i'm feeling instead.
:D
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Maybe it was a small stone in the brakes (I had that once) ... Did you used to work for the government in an analytical capacity? :shocked:
not quite sure what you mean re analytical capacity?
took car to beaurepaires - they were quite stumped and said it's balance etc is fine. the weights haven't come off, and they can't see anything catching or interfering with anything else.
they also checked brake fluid. as i only just had my service was pretty confident it wasn't anything to do with the car.
however they also leaned to the brakes being the culprit, and said perhaps some dirt had got fallen in and caused the issue. it's quite possible i was braking when it happened as i knew there was a traffic light around a bend and possibly braked a little in prep.
anyway they are happy for me to bring it back if it happens again, it's prob just a one off random occurrence though.
re tyres - definitely lighter steering. found myself being a little more careful today getting used to it, don't want to oversteer, and generally til i get more used to how they run/feel. i'm sure tyres are softer and feel smoother. i also think it perhaps slightly rolls more cornering compared to the kumho's but that could be the lightness i'm feeling instead.
:D
All new tyres will feel lighter than what you had on, if for no other reason than the fact that the old tyres would have been worn down, so less flex in the remaining tread blocks AND slightly more rubber in contact with the road (the tread blocks are tapered slightly). So effectively, new tyres have a little less rubber on the road. The exception being if you've got a closer tread design of course.
There shouldn't be any difference in the "roll" as it's the tyre pressure which controls this and normally sidewalls are the same thickness so the flex in them shouldn't change much.
All that's over simplifying it a bit as there are a host of other factors which can come into play.
However, in a week or so, you'll have adapted and won't notice any difference. :goodjob2:
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All new tyres will feel lighter than what you had on, if for no other reason than the fact that the old tyres would have been worn down, so less flex in the remaining tread blocks AND slightly more rubber in contact with the road (the tread blocks are tapered slightly). So effectively, new tyres have a little less rubber on the road. The exception being if you've got a closer tread design of course.
There shouldn't be any difference in the "roll" as it's the tyre pressure which controls this and normally sidewalls are the same thickness so the flex in them shouldn't change much.
All that's over simplifying it a bit as there are a host of other factors which can come into play.
However, in a week or so, you'll have adapted and won't notice any difference. :goodjob2:
cheers for that, makes sense! :mrgreen:
i think there is a difference in the sidewall though, at least to look at. the kuhmos were quite flat to the alloy and these have a little bulge.
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just today i thought to check the traction rating of the kumho's. they were actually AA, the goodyears are A.
i must admit i had a fleeting moment of buyers remorse at that realisation; but then thought about that i don't generally expect too much from my car [i'm not a racing car driver], and as you suggested perhaps ratings between makes are not that comparative anyway [maybe, maybe not].
as long as they fulfill my needs with braking and wet weather then A will be fine.
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If you haven't already check the tyre pressures.
Straight from the tyre place the Wife's car's tyre pressures were 2x40 and 2x41.
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If you haven't already check the tyre pressures.
i haven't done that actually. they did say they had them at exactly where i wanted them, and that apparently was what they put most tyres on anyway. [38 btw].
but i have felt with being softer if maybe they are either below 38, or perhaps i could try pumping them up a bit [above 38]. not sure yet but yes i should check what they're on.
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still 50/50 on them. i think overall i do like them, i like the softness actually but finding i'm missing that hardness by the same token.
i noticed today that my turning circle was dreadful, i really misjudged it. i was told that softer tyres will add to your turning circle? another thing i have to get used to.
:)
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i noticed today that my turning circle was dreadful, i really misjudged it. i was told that softer tyres will add to your turning circle? another thing i have to get used to.
I cant see how tyres would affect your turning circle :confused: unless they're contacting the guards which I doubt :undecided:
If anything the alignment would have to be way out to affect the turning circle.
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i noticed today that my turning circle was dreadful, i really misjudged it. i was told that softer tyres will add to your turning circle? another thing i have to get used to.
I cant see how tyres would affect your turning circle :confused: unless they're contacting the guards which I doubt :undecided:
If anything the alignment would have to be way out to affect the turning circle.
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I cant see how tyres would affect your turning circle :confused: unless they're contacting the guards which I doubt :undecided:
If anything the alignment would have to be way out to affect the turning circle.
:whsaid:
ok :)
it certainly feels like something is affecting turning circle, i think it could be me getting used to the lighter steering and undercompensating for that a bit.
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I cant see how tyres would affect your turning circle :confused: unless they're contacting the guards which I doubt :undecided:
If anything the alignment would have to be way out to affect the turning circle.
:whsaid:
ok :)
it certainly feels like something is affecting turning circle, i think it could be me getting used to the lighter steering and undercompensating for that a bit.
As Craig said, tyres can't alter the turning circle. Were the pressures OK?
Also, there's no reason why two different brands of tyres in the same size should have a noticeable difference in sidewall bulge. No doubt there are people out there who could spin a good yarn explaining it away, but the reality is that all car tyre sidewalls are about the same thickness and all are two actual ply construction (but 4 ply "rating")
So, if the size is the same and the pressure is the same, the bulge (which is common to all radial ply tyres) should be the same.
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Were the pressures OK?
actually they were at 36! all four. [instead of 38]
:rolleyes:
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Were the pressures OK?
actually they were at 36! all four. [instead of 38]
:rolleyes:
Make very little difference snowcherry. I'd probably leave it as could be put down to gauge error (the one they used or the one you used) :cool:
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My suggestions:
- Buy a decent quality gauge. I prefer an analogue type. Ensure it's a metal one, not plastic. They tend to have a better valve and seal in them.
- Check tyre pressures at home when tyres are cold. If I've been driving and want to check for some reason, I'll leave it for 4-6 hours to be sure.
If at the servo, aim to slightly over-inflate (2-4psi). The all-important cold pressure is a few psi under whatever it's showing there, unless you only drove 200 metres or so to the servo. But if you did a burnout all that way, disregard :P
- I've had different brands of the same size with differing sidewall stiffness, rolling circumference, tread depth and (believe it or not) width and therefore profile (profile being percentage of width). Tyre stores used to have data sheets to assist in correct sizing, and although knowing the correct profile is an important first step for gearing and speedo accuracy, the various brands (and even different models of the SAME brand) would differ by as much as 8%.
And this affects your true final drive ratio where rubber meets the road and your speedo accuracy.
Most tyre places would try and match the OEM tyre as closely as possible for rolling circumference. In addition to tyre weight and rolling resistance (yes, more imortant variables for fuel economy, braking, acceleration etc) the circumference was key to ensuring you weren't fined for being 10km/h over, or tailgated mercilessly for being 10 under. Your speedo would show 80, but you could be well either side of that.
TL:DR
Our sampled size was 195/50-15s and the tyres in question were Goodyear Eagle GSD3, Falken ZE-326, Pirelli P6, Dunlop SP Sport ??? and Kumho KU-31s. I forget the exact SP model, we did this some years back.
They were all brand new and mounted on identical 15x7" Simmons wheels.
I recall that the weight range was ~600 grams between heaviest (Goodyears) and lightest (Pirellis) in this sample.
There was a maximum variance of 12mm (maybe 14?) between the narrowest and widest 195 section tyre. Digital verniers were used with the tyres inflated to 36psi.
We then arranged them on the floor against one another. We didn't measure the heights, (couldn't with those calipers; we didn't bother with a tape measure either) but observed a max differential of 6mm or so by eye. Slight, but noticeable. Sure enough, the slightly wider tyres were also higher.
Our sidewall tests weren't too scientific; with all inflated to 36psi, we did a bounce-test from a set height. Then we had our chunkiest club member sit on each upright tyre/wheel on a concrete floor and observe the compression at 6 o'clock.
At the time, I went with the Pirelli P6s, as they were the lightest road-legal tyre in that size at the time. They were among the "softest" sidewalls though.
What a tosspot hey? What's the point in 600g lighter tyres if you're running heavy chrome wheels? But I wasn't :D
I still have the magnesium set they were mounted on. They were kinda cheap, but pretty light. I couldn't afford the REALLY light (under 4kg) wheels. Mine are 5kg each.
Porky, I know. :mrgreen: