Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 05:23:20
There wont be major gains...though there will definitely be some improvement in power 10-15% torque 15-20% and response by tinkering with the flyby throttle and variable cam timing settings, fuel usage will be the most improved I think and it should make benefit of the flow restrictions I've already removed with the other small modifications, just a few more calls to sort out the finer details and it might happen next week with any luck :)
Post by: AlanHo on August 07, 2015, 09:30:26
I cannot see how you can tune for more power and better economy. One of the prime things people look for in a new car is economy - and in the UK this can indirectly effect the road tax you pay. Hence manufacturers all compete for better economy than rivals. I just cannot see a small tuning company being better at it that the manufacturer who has enormous resources at their disposal.
Hence I will be most interested to hear how you get on.
Good luck............ :goodjob2:
Post by: Raid on August 07, 2015, 09:34:18
I'm getting restless again :D now looking into getting the ECU modified as Hyundai haven't had any updates since I bought the car two years ago so should be safe to stick a new tune in it now without them re-flashing over it, if they did though it's no biggy as I'll own the tune and can re-flash again at will.That would a nice programming to do to the car just wanted to know won't that be avoiding your warranty?
There wont be major gains...though there will definitely be some improvement in power 10-15% torque 15-20% and response by tinkering with the flyby throttle and variable cam timing settings, fuel usage will be the most improved I think and it should make benefit of the flow restrictions I've already removed with the other small modifications, just a few more calls to sort out the finer details and it might happen next week with any luck :)
Please let us know how u get on.
Thanks
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 09:49:08
Being that the levels are set so low there in plenty of room to make adjustments and still keep the vehicle well within safe operating specifications, I could still add a turbo or super charger and this engine would handle it quite easily as long as it wasn't to excessive.
A few auto brands are starting to pick up on this and are offering enhanced tunes to their customers at purchase time and available at later dates ( Audi is one that springs to mind that now offers this on new vehicles ), would be nice if Hyundai did do this one day.
You'll also find that professional race and tunning companies like I'm using ( not a small company ) are some of the key developers in the technology and advancements behind ECU's and other car parts, car factories learn most of their advancements from the racing world and then they harvest that information and turn it into mass produced budget software/products and sell us the detuned versions of everything, eg chassis - suspension - brakes - engines - gearboxes - ECU's
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 09:54:59
That would a nice programming to do to the car just wanted to know won't that be avoiding your warranty?Yes it can affect your warranty ( but who cares :D ), that's why I use the guys I've always done these things with and the tune itself is undetectable as it's modifying the factory ECU so if Hyundai plug in their diagnostics they wont be able to tell :) piggyback tunning is no good as the factory ECU will detect and compensate for the changes done making your expense a waste of time.
Please let us know how u get on.
Thanks
Post by: Raid on August 07, 2015, 10:29:15
Post by: Dazzler on August 07, 2015, 10:32:45
Let us know how you get on then mate and maybe we can try it out
Craig has the 1.6 GDi motor. Would be quite different to your 1.4 MPi.....
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 10:37:08
Post by: Raid on August 07, 2015, 10:37:15
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 10:44:36
Yep thought it would be then will look for something if I can get for 1.4You'll need to speak to a highly recommended speed shop in your area and if possible for your car diagnostics would have to be collected from the ECU and sent off to qualified programmers in Europe to rewrite the tune then returned and tested, then repeating the process till all benefits are made, there is no live dyno tuning adjustments that can be done for these cars so it is an expensive and lengthy process.
And that is if there is software to actually modify yours :undecided:
Post by: cruiserfied on August 07, 2015, 13:32:18
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 13:39:13
If you have vehicles like the Ford and Holden's they can be tuned on dynos and don't require software from VIEZU...if your tuning specialist knows what he's doing of course :whistler:
Post by: cruiserfied on August 07, 2015, 14:02:44
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 14:09:44
Theres a number of companies in the states that do Jeep tunes. Just gotta decide which one and start saving.I know a guy here that tunes the Jeep ECU's but he does them manually on the Dyno, not much good for you over in the east :Pout:
Post by: cruiserfied on August 07, 2015, 14:20:13
Spent the past 3 days doing a top to bottom engine rebuild on a petrol iload. Man it was good, taking my time checking everuthing twice etc. Took 2.5hrs just to clean and setup the pistons.
Got me wishing there was a good performance shop here I could go work for. I love building engines.
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 14:30:40
Got me wishing there was a good performance shop here I could go work for. I love building engines.That's where the money is Tim, you should put ya feelers out there with some big performance shops and maybe something will develop :fingers:
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 07, 2015, 15:32:52
Confucius say, "Man who stand on top of mountain with mouth open waiting for roast duck to fly in, got long wait." :mrgreen:
Post by: CraigB on August 07, 2015, 15:41:09
Confucius said many wise phrases! he also said...man who go to bed with itchy bottom wake up with smelly finger :D
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 08, 2015, 04:43:42
Post by: omegaspeedy on August 08, 2015, 10:10:03
I cannot see how you can tune for more power and better economy. One of the prime things people look for in a new car is economy - and in the UK this can indirectly effect the road tax you pay. Hence manufacturers all compete for better economy than rivals. I just cannot see a small tuning company being better at it that the manufacturer who has enormous resources at their disposal.
Hence I will be most interested to hear how you get on.
Good luck............ :goodjob2:
I can see where your coming from but the way I see it, the manufacturer makes conservative cars to cover large markets so sometimes there are potential gains sitting there waiting to tap into for the minority enthusiast by tuning tweaking etc. One example is oil catch cans which all cars should have as it improves performance as well as reducing expensive maintanence costs later, but the manufacturer knows no one will empty them and it also adds production costs eating into bottom line profits so they don't bother. These ECU tweaks might give better performance but might have traits that could put the average conservative purchaser off even ithough for us motor heads it is a bonus. I personally would be keen on a re map if I could organise one here in NZ.
Post by: CraigB on August 08, 2015, 10:18:05
I've used catch cans in several of my race cars ( and my Mini :winker: ) and unless you're pumping out 9000rpm or more they're pointless, plus if they are correctly installed they self drain back into the engine and don't require emptying.
Post by: omegaspeedy on August 08, 2015, 22:08:17
I'm emptying two table spoons of oil (no water or other, just pure oil) every 1000Km out of mine. I drive hard everywhere. I personally think it's crazy not to have a catch can on these motors. That oil would have just collected either in the inlet manifold or deposited itself on valves pistons etc over time.
Heres my set up :link: Hyundai i30, Elantra GT oil catch can. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w1L-rwtfHg)
Sorry this is off topic.
Post by: cruiserfied on August 09, 2015, 03:10:06
Post by: CraigB on August 09, 2015, 05:51:49
Checking my breather hoses all the way down to throttle body and my system is dry, rather than worry about some 0.0001% of Hp you may lose :whistler: worry more about the damage you are doing to the engine and drive train with your driving style.
Post by: omegaspeedy on August 09, 2015, 07:46:50
Post by: CraigB on August 09, 2015, 12:00:47
Back to the topic matter anyhow, if you've got ECU programing questions/answers then please continue...
Post by: bensintic on August 09, 2015, 12:45:23
If its petrol you can i been tinging aroundThat would a nice programming to do to the car just wanted to know won't that be avoiding your warranty?Yes it can affect your warranty ( but who cares :D ), that's why I use the guys I've always done these things with and the tune itself is undetectable as it's modifying the factory ECU so if Hyundai plug in their diagnostics they wont be able to tell :) piggyback tunning is no good as the factory ECU will detect and compensate for the changes done making your expense a waste of time.
Please let us know how u get on.
Thanks
Post by: CraigB on August 09, 2015, 12:50:16
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 09, 2015, 13:11:58
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2015, 06:38:58
The other shop ( RPW - Race Performance Works ) will remove the ECU from the car, open it up and connect to it directly and are able to much more tailoring, I'm also getting them to remove the main catalytic and swap it over for my high flow cat as they can also set/clear/block lambda codes which the first mob aren't able to do.
I should have stuck with RPW in the first place as I've used them before on some of my other cars but they were a little more expensive than Pace who mainly specialise in the European high performance vehicles like Lamborghini's - Ferrari's and such, now I know they're full of crap and those rich tosses with their Euro sports cars are getting done by shonky tuners :rolleyes:
Post by: cruiserfied on August 10, 2015, 10:15:53
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2015, 10:32:53
Hp improvement on a standard 1.6 should be roughly 10hp increase and 10Nm torque but Dave is hoping for a bit extra being that the exhaust has been modified and the intake, throttle response should be instantaneous after it's done :)
Post by: Gibbo on August 10, 2015, 10:50:44
Post by: omegaspeedy on August 10, 2015, 10:53:58
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2015, 10:57:11
Looking forward to seeing the gains and a rough idea of final costs... I have a DIY cold air intake and looking in to exhaust options so this would be a natural progression to those mods.Do note that you'll void your engine warranty once you play with the ECU...cost is $1100 for a custom tune like I'm having, $800 if you want a simple re-flash.
Post by: Dazzler on August 10, 2015, 11:00:06
Looking forward to seeing the gains and a rough idea of final costs... I have a DIY cold air intake and looking in to exhaust options so this would be a natural progression to those mods.Do note that you'll void your engine warranty once you play with the ECU...cost is $1100 for a custom tune like I'm having, $800 if you want a simple re-flash.
:Shocked: Now I know why people reckon I'm tight! :whistler:
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2015, 11:00:52
Wonder if they have a branch here in NZ?You would need to find your own local speed shop, RPW is Perth based only.
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2015, 11:03:49
:Shocked: Now I know why people reckon I'm tight! :whistler:Performance stuff isn't cheap Dazz if it done right, that's where the money is in the automotive world :)
Post by: omegaspeedy on August 10, 2015, 11:07:10
Post by: cruiserfied on August 10, 2015, 13:44:52
Post by: Lakes on August 11, 2015, 01:33:48
good luck with it , Craig post up report after its all done.
i watched a friend who lives in the country. hook up this AFR gizmo he got when he was over USA at a performance industry Show, it also hooked up to his lap top, he welded a bung in his exhaust put in sensor, then drove up a big hill. it recorded everything. we went back played it back told a lot of useful info, almost like your own dyno. but would need a big hill & no traffic as well.
Post by: Dazzler on August 11, 2015, 04:30:10
Dazz if you watched someone do a complete re map of an EFI motor you would see just how long it takes. you have to go up in stages of throttle % do a map then up to next stage you dyno test as you go up, would take a full day to do a complete map. if motor controlled by FBW you have to know how to set up for that too. but with FBW you can get fantastic results. just PIB if there is a problem with FBW
good luck with it , Craig post up report after its all done.
i watched a friend who lives in the country. hook up this AFR gizmo he got when he was over USA at a performance industry Show, it also hooked up to his lap top, he welded a bung in his exhaust put in sensor, then drove up a big hill. it recorded everything. we went back played it back told a lot of useful info, almost like your own dyno. but would need a big hill & no traffic as well.
$1100 is a good price for an ECU out reprogramming. Lucky for them the ECU is nice and easy to get to.
I understand that, but my tight side likes to have something substantial I can hold in my hand if I am spending that sort of money (and I don't mean a peni$ enlargement) :evil:
Post by: cruiserfied on August 11, 2015, 05:20:17
Dazz if you watched someone do a complete re map of an EFI motor you would see just how long it takes. you have to go up in stages of throttle % do a map then up to next stage you dyno test as you go up, would take a full day to do a complete map. if motor controlled by FBW you have to know how to set up for that too. but with FBW you can get fantastic results. just PIB if there is a problem with FBW
good luck with it , Craig post up report after its all done.
i watched a friend who lives in the country. hook up this AFR gizmo he got when he was over USA at a performance industry Show, it also hooked up to his lap top, he welded a bung in his exhaust put in sensor, then drove up a big hill. it recorded everything. we went back played it back told a lot of useful info, almost like your own dyno. but would need a big hill & no traffic as well.$1100 is a good price for an ECU out reprogramming. Lucky for them the ECU is nice and easy to get to.
I understand that, but my tight side likes to have something substantial I can hold in my hand if I am spending that sort of money (and I don't mean a peni$ enlargement) :evil:
But you get the fizzing sensation Dazz.........THE FIZZZZZZ!!!!!!! LOL
Post by: CraigB on August 11, 2015, 06:23:32
Craig post up report after its all done.Will do :goodjob2:
Post by: CraigB on August 11, 2015, 06:28:05
my tight side likes to have something substantial I can hold in my hand if I am spending that sort of money (and I don't mean a peni$ enlargement) :evil:Isn't the car something substantial...the excitement of extra performance will give you that peni$ enlargement :D
Post by: Lakes on August 11, 2015, 06:56:41
your just, posting to give impression your tight :rofl: it's just one of you former job's, or do you carry beads?
reason i know you would like it is as a motor that is tuned right is a joy to drive & more fun, if you ever watched someone Map you would understand just how much time it takes, & to get someone with the talent that can also tune you need to offer enough money. just putting a Map in in nothing, doing the custom map is what i'm talking about. you can't just tune for all out power & TQ as when you drive normal there would be no change to what it was, you have to do the compleat Map. if tuned right they also get to there max HP & TQ a lot quicker, so just telling people there is a 10KW gain & 10NM gain not the true story have to drive it to understand.
Post by: CraigB on August 11, 2015, 07:29:22
Yes the whole feel of the car should change after it's done, adding on to what's already been done it should feel like a new car :happydance:
The changes would be even more substantial if it were an automatic as the load and shift points could be improved by firming and speeding up the changes.
Post by: Dazzler on August 11, 2015, 11:09:35
Post by: The Gonz on August 11, 2015, 11:20:44
I kind of understand, but I'm gunna keep the $1100 for when LG brings out a 65" OLED Ultra HD TV with HDR for around $3000 ... :mrgreen:Capitalist! :rolleyes: :lol:
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 11, 2015, 11:32:23
Post by: Dazzler on August 11, 2015, 11:44:54
When do you get to use UHD TV though :question:
Upscaling! :D
It's not just the UHD it's the HDR (High dynamic range) and Contrast Ratio...
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 11, 2015, 11:46:49
The HDR & CR are OLED properties aren't they. I agree, OLED's are excellent
Post by: cruiserfied on August 11, 2015, 13:57:08
I'd prefer to spend the $1100 on the car then go driving, see the country.
Post by: CraigB on August 11, 2015, 14:24:06
Post by: Asterix on August 11, 2015, 19:04:04
Its just a TV.
I'd prefer to spend the $1100 on the car then go driving, see the country.
:whsaid: :Drive:
Post by: Lakes on August 11, 2015, 23:06:42
TV sound's great Dazz, but one large TV same as another to me.
just sitting watching TV not real exciting,
What sort of power useage will new TV consume? ( alway's wondered what a PC & a TV use, or how much they impact on power bill )??
Post by: Dazzler on August 11, 2015, 23:33:51
:MeToo: :wts:
TV sound's great Dazz, but one large TV same as another to me.
just sitting watching TV not real exciting,
What sort of power useage will new TV consume? ( alway's wondered what a PC & a TV use, or how much they impact on power bill )??
Good question John, but how long is a piece of string! Varies a lot.
Tower PCs use a lot more power than most laptops especially if they have a big power supply running a flash video card or two. I'm thinking between 500 and 1000 watts including the monitor. Whereas a laptop would generally be only around 100 watts I think. Aussie Keith would be the man for questions like that.
Generally the bigger the TV the more power they use (obviously) and UHD sets use more than FHD, but some brands like LG and Samsung are getting the power use down with nearly every model.
My latest window shop of UHD TV's last weekend I saw that Panansonic and some of the cheaper brands were showing up to 50% more annual power use than the same size LG sets! For a 65" LG UHD it is now under 500 KWH per annum.
O :razz:
The HDR & CR are OLED properties aren't they. I agree, OLED's are excellent
HDR has just been added to one of the top of the range Samsung LED TVs. They reckon it is more important and significant than UHD (I want both)
I do prefer LG as a brand for various reasons (they wont be far behind)
Post by: CraigB on August 12, 2015, 04:17:33
Making this first design step will help the 1.6ltr ( i30se - Veloster - Kia Rio ) owners with some options for future mod's as currently there is nothing available in Australia for these engines.
This also means I'll be without my car for an extra few days of course and I'm spending a bit more cash than originally intended ( Dazz faints :) ) as I'm now getting a few custom parts made up which will give better overall results with the tune.
Post by: Dazzler on August 12, 2015, 05:23:48
It's all good, I don't mind other people spending their money (even Dave with his multi-coloured cars!) :victory:
I've got a mate that has probably spent 20K modifying a car he would battle to get 10K for! :crazy1:
Post by: CraigB on August 12, 2015, 05:32:42
(http://i.imgur.com/KUibLho.png)
No much good for the street though.
Post by: cruiserfied on August 12, 2015, 13:47:55
Post by: CraigB on August 12, 2015, 13:54:27
Post by: cruiserfied on August 12, 2015, 14:01:08
Post by: Lakes on August 13, 2015, 19:20:19
Post by: CraigB on August 14, 2015, 09:43:08
All vissual excitement but one throttle body on Plenium chamber , still works best, as with that set up, can't get each throttle body perfectly same. heat & stress at high rev, they will always be a bit different. a polonium chamber, stores all the air the engine needs & one throttle body can supply same air per cylinder as those four individual . have seen results on Dyno while i was watching them change set up's on race motor.There must be some benefit to it as it's been flow tested to show huge gains, all comes down to who's made it and who's tuning it, there is no way a single throttle body could supply the extra air or fuel that this setup will deliver and the instantaneous throttle response.
The guy that has had it custom made by RPW is going to use it on his Hyundai track car.
Post by: CraigB on August 14, 2015, 10:04:27
Also had the intake improved by extending it down into the front bumper behind the fog light and placed a heat shield in place to finish that section off, goes in next week to my exhaust guy to get a full 2 1/4 exhaust all the way through with new tri flow rear muffler to keep it quiet and some code cancelling sensors have been installed for the time being while I get this exhaust fitted up.
(http://i.imgur.com/SjNZBCi.jpg)
Post by: cruiserfied on August 14, 2015, 10:39:31
Post by: Dazzler on August 14, 2015, 10:43:21
:goodjob2: :happydance:
:whsaid:
Post by: cruiserfied on August 14, 2015, 10:48:51
The guy that has had it custom made by RPW is going to use it on his Hyundai track car.
I hate him.
Post by: CraigB on August 14, 2015, 11:05:21
Post by: CraigB on August 17, 2015, 09:48:45
(http://i.imgur.com/Sg96Qg5.png)
Post by: cruiserfied on August 17, 2015, 10:42:41
Post by: CraigB on August 17, 2015, 11:09:47
Post by: Dazzler on August 17, 2015, 11:10:38
Just waiting on these little beauties to turn up now :happydance:
(http://i.imgur.com/Sg96Qg5.png)
Careful! Tim will be hating you next! :whistler:
Post by: CraigB on August 17, 2015, 11:12:22
Post by: cruiserfied on August 17, 2015, 13:47:35
Post by: CraigB on August 17, 2015, 14:04:46
Post by: cruiserfied on August 17, 2015, 14:56:09
Post by: Lakes on August 21, 2015, 06:25:31
he also has a huge 7 vacuum motor flow bench he built himself that can flow complete motor. he has a machine shop with best of everything . he builds then tunes to customers requirements or delelop's race motors or anything people want. i just watch once, when he was tuning a customers clubman, had a Toyota 4 cyl with a set of single runner TB's like that MoTeK or Ortronic ECU? customer wanted more, he made the polonium chamber stores enough air where motor can use it, one TB for accurate at all rev air control, it was EFI so fuel injected in not drawn in. i saw the dyne test's, was not that much difference but when you looked at quality of HP & TQ delivery was much improved. then you have to have a driver that can use it!
have you got all your gear on yet?
Post by: CraigB on August 21, 2015, 07:10:42
Yes if a single throttle body equalled the intake size of the quad setup then performance would be virtually the same though response would be somewhat greater with the quad setup still being direct flow straight into the ports, I agree it's only for a race setup :goodjob:
As for my gear! the exhaust gets done this coming Tuesday via the exhaust shop I use but I'm still waiting on the headers which I wont receive until late next week ( hopefully ), I'll be getting RPW to fit the headers once they arrive as they will do some further modifications to the headers like opening up the collector a bit more plus he'll deck the face because you can almost guarantee it wont be true :wink:, once all that is completed then the tune can be done.
Post by: cruiserfied on August 21, 2015, 08:32:55
Craig, looking great, that system would be more for high rev, the tri why more for street. when i said one throttle body on a plenium manifold, did not mean stock, a custom designed plenium manifold , & if the single throttle body is same size an same as those four individual , it will flow same air to each cylinder, as the single runners only flow air to one cylinder, so no more air will flow, the flow bench can not duplicate high rev stress, my friend monitors everything combustion chamber heat fuel efficiency for each cylinder afr of each cylinder . he has it all on his engine Dyno with motor in a bomb proof room with armoured glass window.
he also has a huge 7 vacuum motor flow bench he built himself that can flow complete motor. he has a machine shop with best of everything . he builds then tunes to customers requirements or delelop's race motors or anything people want. i just watch once, when he was tuning a customers clubman, had a Toyota 4 cyl with a set of single runner TB's like that MoTeK or Ortronic ECU? customer wanted more, he made the polonium chamber stores enough air where motor can use it, one TB for accurate at all rev air control, it was EFI so fuel injected in not drawn in. i saw the dyne test's, was not that much difference but when you looked at quality of HP & TQ delivery was much improved. then you have to have a driver that can use it!
have you got all your gear on yet?
Does your mate want an apprentice? Lol.
Post by: Gibbo on August 21, 2015, 11:59:47
Post by: CraigB on August 21, 2015, 12:35:53
Cheapest through Shark racing :link: 2012-2016 Veloster 4-1 Header - Shark Racing (http://www.sharkracing.com/2012-2013-veloster-4-1-header/)
I actually bought mine through K-Tuning :link: Veloster : [MAINTEC] Hyundai Avante MD / New Accent / Veloster / New i30 - Manifold Header Kit (http://k-tuning.com/en/maintec-hyundai-avante-md-new-accent-veloster-new-i30-manifold-header-kit.html) as I found them there first but they were $500US and they've bumped that up to $600US today.
Remember that installing these will lose your warranty, you'll also need a very good tuning shop who is able to split the ECU to be able to tune direct from the main board ( not an easy task )
The original plan was to get some headers made but the company that was going to do them cant find a car similar to ours to hire for the day so they could pull the manifold off and make up a template, it might end up being many months before they get the chance if any, I also know Dennis Butler who is capable of making them but costs could exceed $1500 for his talents though they would be the best quality and design.
Post by: Lakes on August 21, 2015, 22:08:10
Will you have your headers Jet Hot coated?
Post by: CraigB on August 22, 2015, 03:42:47
Post by: Lakes on August 22, 2015, 11:11:07
Post by: CraigB on August 22, 2015, 11:41:06
I'll see when they turn up as to the size of the collector, if I end up having to enlarge the collector outlet then it's just going to be to much stuffing around to get them coated as well.
Post by: Lakes on August 22, 2015, 21:31:10
Post by: CraigB on August 23, 2015, 06:58:01
Post by: Lakes on August 25, 2015, 00:02:47
that would make it very hot!!
Post by: CraigB on August 25, 2015, 06:42:02
Post by: Lakes on August 25, 2015, 13:25:07
Post by: CraigB on September 01, 2015, 09:03:52
(http://i.imgur.com/9yq5XJM.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on September 01, 2015, 10:03:01
Post by: CraigB on September 01, 2015, 10:05:34
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 01, 2015, 10:47:16
Post by: CraigB on September 01, 2015, 11:01:19
Great welding onto the manifold, wish I could do that. :(You can see the difference in capabilities/quality, the head flange and main tubing is professionally TIG welded...the collector upsize was done with a MIG welder.
Post by: Lakes on September 01, 2015, 11:21:31
I like TIG thats aircraft welding, thats the only way to weld as more flexible less chance of cracking.
A real shame it is at back of motor!! would put a polished stainless firewall to show them off
Extractors on cars always a bugger of a job!
Post by: CraigB on September 01, 2015, 11:48:23
Finding someone who can TIG well is few and far between, I was just glad he was able to get the angle and rotation correct as that's all I was really concerned about.
Post by: cruiserfied on September 01, 2015, 14:23:29
Post by: Dazzler on September 01, 2015, 22:17:13
Thanks Lakes :) I would have preferred them to be finished with the TIG but my local exhaust guy cant do it and as it's going at the rear of the engine no one will ever see it.
Finding someone who can TIG well is few and far between, I was just glad he was able to get the angle and rotation correct as that's all I was really concerned about.
How do you know the angles are right until they go to fit it? :undecided: :Good_luck:
Post by: Lakes on September 01, 2015, 22:19:14
Post by: CraigB on September 02, 2015, 06:12:33
How do you know the angles are right until they go to fit it? :undecided: :Good_luck:A jig ( mounting frame ) was made up for the headers before they were cut, that way you know the modifications end up being in line with the prior angles.
Actually two jigs were made as the exhaust flex pipe also required upgrading/upsizing with a brand new 2 1/4 flex with new flange ends that also needed specific angles.
Post by: Dazzler on September 02, 2015, 07:23:48
How do you know the angles are right until they go to fit it? :undecided: :Good_luck:A jig ( mounting frame ) was made up for the headers before they were cut, that way you know the modifications end up being in line with the prior angles.
Actually two jigs were made as the exhaust flex pipe also required upgrading/upsizing with a brand new 2 1/4 flex with new flange ends that also needed specific angles.
Oh, ok thanks.. Bit more involved than fitting plastic chrome door handle covers then... :D
Post by: CraigB on September 02, 2015, 07:29:06
Post by: Dazzler on September 02, 2015, 07:33:03
Just a little :) though I'd imagine getting those covers lined up properly would be a right bugger as well, if you stuck them slightly off line they'd be a real pain to remove.
Nah, pretty easy to line up... I did a little jig AFTER though! :lol:
Post by: CraigB on September 02, 2015, 07:42:53
Post by: CraigB on September 18, 2015, 06:02:57
Post by: Dazzler on September 18, 2015, 07:51:20
Post by: cruiserfied on September 18, 2015, 10:30:52
Post by: CraigB on September 18, 2015, 10:44:34
Post by: cruiserfied on September 18, 2015, 14:09:58
Sounds like they're a pretty awesome shop you've found.
Post by: CraigB on September 18, 2015, 15:30:56
They aint cheap but they're the best at what they do :goodjob2:
Post by: cruiserfied on September 18, 2015, 15:47:15
Post by: CraigB on September 18, 2015, 15:55:32
I can ask him on Wednesday if you'd like!!!
That quad throttle body I pictured previously is to suit the XD 2ltr beta engine :D
Post by: cruiserfied on September 19, 2015, 10:43:54
Ive got myself lined up with a 2003 XD for $200. 2lt 5-speed 5-door. Parked when rego ran out 8 months ago. Needs a bit of TLC but shoukd be simple to get running, I just putting away $10-20 a week. Up to $130 now so not too long. Need to scrap the accent soon might get $40 for it.
Post by: CraigB on September 24, 2015, 07:12:03
Post by: PhireSideZA on September 24, 2015, 07:32:51
The car is currently still connected to the hub dyno waiting for the final tune to come back with extra adjustments, hopefully I'll be picking it up this arvo :fingers:Great! We need a video of the changes now :goodjob2:
Post by: CraigB on September 24, 2015, 07:41:08
Post by: PhireSideZA on September 24, 2015, 07:42:49
Wont be much to show in video that I haven't already showed with pictures, unless you're wanting to hear it...I've no idea what it's going to sound like myself until I pick it up.It must have quite a snarl to it now. But following this thread it looks like you've really come a long way and plan on going the mile with your i30. It sure must be a head-turner on the roads :goodjob2:
Post by: CraigB on September 24, 2015, 08:07:54
I think it looks pretty good but essentially it's still an i30 with mags, not sure what I want to do in the future with it yet ( I may just leave it :undecided: ) but software allowances have been made for Supercharging which will likely need different cams, then I would also need to concentrate on gearbox - diff - front axels - brakes, getting the brake rotors slotted and using a ceramic composite pads would be all that is required there and reasonably cheap.
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 24, 2015, 09:06:55
The car is currently still connected to the hub dyno waiting for the final tune to come back with extra adjustments, hopefully I'll be picking it up this arvo :fingers:Great! We need a video of the changes now :goodjob2:
Nice doggie wabbit :mrgreen:
Post by: CraigB on September 24, 2015, 09:34:35
I forgot to ask what it pulled on the base run :head_butt:
Post by: PhireSideZA on September 25, 2015, 07:12:17
Thank you Doggie for noticing my Doggie :mrgreen:The car is currently still connected to the hub dyno waiting for the final tune to come back with extra adjustments, hopefully I'll be picking it up this arvo :fingers:Great! We need a video of the changes now :goodjob2:
Nice doggie wabbit :mrgreen:
The name's Diesel and he is scared of just about anything, except dog biscuits!
@CraigB, hopefully today is the day you get your steed back :)
Post by: AlanHo on September 25, 2015, 07:33:52
Thank you Doggie for noticing my Doggie :mrgreen:
The name's Diesel and he is scared of just about anything, except dog biscuits!
I hope he's not a VW Diesel - the emissions could prove fatal
Post by: CraigB on September 25, 2015, 07:37:04
@CraigB, hopefully today is the day you get your steed back :)I'm hoping but not looking like it at this moment, they're not happy with the tune results at this stage so it's all time intensive with sending off each tune result and waiting for further adjustments.
Post by: PhireSideZA on September 25, 2015, 07:41:34
@CraigB, I am guessing the software enhancements aren't done in real time at the shop?
I was once interested in a thread a few months ago about a guy from the States who programmed a Microsquirt EFI kit to fit onto an older KLR650, and the amount of mapping and tweaking needed for it to work was unbelievable so I can imagine it can be quite time-consuming.
Post by: CraigB on September 25, 2015, 07:58:45
It would be great if Hyundai used the same hardware setup as Holden, plugging in the laptop to the OBD port allowed easy modifications.
If I get fed up with these restrictions I may just tell them to bin the ECU and stick in a Haltech ECU, that'll allow full in house live tunning...thinking about it now I probably should have done that in the first place but I wait and see how they go with it.
Post by: Dazzler on September 25, 2015, 12:19:47
Post by: CraigB on September 25, 2015, 12:43:03
Post by: ibrokeit on September 26, 2015, 02:07:43
If I get fed up with these restrictions I may just tell them to bin the ECU and stick in a Haltech ECU, that'll allow full in house live tunning...thinking about it now I probably should have done that in the first place but I wait and see how they go with it.
Just out of total curiosity - any idea, if you did, which Haltech ECU would be used? Can't seem to find much regards Haltech and i30.
Post by: CraigB on September 26, 2015, 09:02:49
I haven't looked into it yet so you'd need to ask a performance shop what model would be required but I'd say the cost would be somewhere in the range of $2200, $2800 if harness is required, then whether the standard ECU mapping could be copied across to use as a base...if it can then you are looking at $750 to $1100 for tunning...if it cant then you would be looking at a full re-write and depending on complexity it could be anywhere from $3000 to $5000.
I've got some older Haltech models packed away in the shed somewhere that were used on some of my older drag cars but I doubt they would be compatible with OBD11 compliant software unfortunately, I don't even have an XP system to link with them anymore either :Pout:
Post by: ibrokeit on September 26, 2015, 14:18:34
Normally I'd use a plug n play type like the Platinum Pro but I don't think they have units for i30's, they do for the Genesis.
I haven't looked into it yet so you'd need to ask a performance shop what model would be required but I'd say the cost would be somewhere in the range of $2200, $2800 if harness is required, then whether the standard ECU mapping could be copied across to use as a base...if it can then you are looking at $750 to $1100 for tunning...if it cant then you would be looking at a full re-write and depending on complexity it could be anywhere from $3000 to $5000.
I've got some older Haltech models packed away in the shed somewhere that were used on some of my older drag cars but I doubt they would be compatible with OBD11 compliant software unfortunately, I don't even have an XP system to link with them anymore either :Pout:
Thanks - was curious. Should probably go make more money if I want to do stuff like this.
Regards to XP systems - don't know how the software/hardware would work with it (as I don't know what it is, etc.) and if it would go through the VM<->Host interface - but Virtual Machines @ http://modern.ie (https://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/) is a Mircosoft site where you can download time-limited VMs (for 3 different Host OSes, and 1-5 (depends on Host OS) virtualisation technologies)... currently it still includes XP machines. You can install other software into the VMs.
Post by: CraigB on September 26, 2015, 14:34:11
I know about VM's, currently running Win10 build 10547 :goodjob2:
Post by: cruiserfied on September 28, 2015, 11:09:23
Post by: CraigB on September 28, 2015, 11:18:49
I'm not really expecting any major results as the throttle body and intake manifold are the major restrictions, just some slight performance increases are only needed at this stage and somewhere down the track I'll shove a SC on it :D
Post by: ibrokeit on September 28, 2015, 12:40:17
I've got XP disc's still if I ever needed them but I doubt I will as I'm not racing anymore, Win7 is better for programing the new Haltechs as the software implements better.Sweet.
I know about VM's, currently running Win10 build 10547 :goodjob2:
Post by: CraigB on October 02, 2015, 06:32:57
It'll also give them a chance to finish off cars for a few other customers as once a car is connected to a hub dyno it is better off staying there until completed, very time consuming to connect and disconnect repeatedly.
Post by: Dazzler on October 02, 2015, 08:57:50
Post by: CraigB on October 02, 2015, 10:23:03
Quite happy with it so far though, throttle response is much better - power is up a bit but I don't know what to at this stage as was very busy and didn't have time to wait, it's still got to go back yet anyway.
Current fuel average after 150km trip this arvo is 4.2ltr per 100 down from 6.2/6.5 prior to tunning " amazing " :D
The picture is crap :Pout: hard to take picture while driving :whistler:
(http://i.imgur.com/vcUmBkY.jpg?2)
Here's a little clip of what she sounds like now
View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/2zodi1l/8)
Post by: cruiserfied on October 05, 2015, 09:23:14
Post by: CraigB on October 05, 2015, 11:13:42
Must feel good to have it back.Yep, I'll feel even better once it has the final tune in it :) runs very rich up top so there will be some larger gains still to be had there yet.
Post by: cruiserfied on October 05, 2015, 11:27:42
Post by: CraigB on October 05, 2015, 11:42:17
Post by: cruiserfied on October 05, 2015, 11:56:15
Post by: CraigB on October 05, 2015, 12:13:39
(http://i.imgur.com/4RBiQ4r.png)
Post by: cruiserfied on October 05, 2015, 13:09:31
Post by: Lakes on October 06, 2015, 21:51:13
also will you take it to the track see what quarter mile times like & trap speeds?
Nice old 6 pack was it the 4 speed? still have the three webbers? A friend of mine good with those webbers. i have seen a few of those old six pack mopars with 4" bore i think increased to 300 C I D. i remember Leo & Pete , & Doug racing them. i know Dougs two sons they raced bikes, one still races sidecars, see him at festival of speed every year.
Post by: CraigB on October 07, 2015, 07:51:23
Craig sounds good how many k do you get from a full tank now before you need to refill?Not sure how many K's yet, it's only done 200km's since I picked it up so far and it's currently sleeping peacefully in my garage waiting for some new tunes to come through.
also will you take it to the track see what quarter mile times like & trap speeds?
Nice old 6 pack was it the 4 speed? still have the three webbers? A friend of mine good with those webbers. i have seen a few of those old six pack mopars with 4" bore i think increased to 300 C I D. i remember Leo & Pete , & Doug racing them. i know Dougs two sons they raced bikes, one still races sidecars, see him at festival of speed every year.
I doubt that I'll be taking it down to Motorplex to do a run, but you never know :winker:
I guess the Charger was the 4sp, didn't take much notice tbh as I was busy admiring the quality of the finish :) it's a full ground up restoration so what ever it came out with is how it's been kept, yeah it had the triple Webbers which those and the intake manifold were getting some mod's done on to make em better.
Post by: CraigB on October 08, 2015, 07:13:21
Post by: CraigB on October 09, 2015, 13:35:20
Post by: Dazzler on October 10, 2015, 02:36:19
Post by: ibrokeit on October 10, 2015, 03:24:25
Wow, it's a long and complicated process! :cool:
Hehe not simple, nor quick in the case of the i30 it seems - being the ECU can't be reprogrammed/mapped in real-time (which is annoying). I also suspect there hasn't been too many GD i30 being aftermarket tuned (with or without mods), at least not ECU wise - which might be another reason mods are being done in EU (expertise to figure out what to touch).
Course the plus side is future GD i30 tuning done via. the same tuning system will probably be quicker - as they will have at least have a template (or knowledge of what works and doesn't), if not a (generically) tuned map that just gets tweaked for the specific vehicle. And, depending on how the tweaking actually needs to be done, that might be doable locally via. the tuning system software.
Post by: CraigB on October 10, 2015, 05:11:22
ibrokeit you are correct in that there hasn't been anyone who has modified one of these ECU's, there is one company in the UK who has for the KIA 1.6ltr but it's a very basic tune ( throttle response only ) and they are a very dodgy as RPW has dealt with them previously.
Learning where the parameters are is a major learning process for the team and very time consuming ( they've been complaining about the cost :rolleyes: ) but as mentioned it will also help future modders in that they'll then have the knowledge to do all the other Hyundai ECU's.
At this stage we've worked out that prior compensations for future mods such as cams -head work - supercharging wont be possible with the Hyundai ECU software, it just doesn't have the capabilities so the tunning being done now ( fuel - timing ) will be it's limits and any further mods will require a complete ECU upgrade to a Haltech or similar
Post by: ibrokeit on October 10, 2015, 07:36:05
Very much so on the parameters being a major job, some people would say "It is like hacking a computer programme from the binary" - I wouldn't say "like" because it isn't "like"...
It IS hacking a computer programme binary or, at least, the data it relies on.
For those who don't know... it is doing so directly without safeguards or checks (at least the first time - when you don't know what does what) - and usually no 'markers' because the ECU programming knows exactly where in memory each parameter is supposed to be. All the person doing the hacking gets to see are the stored values from the memory locations and then try to figure out what is likely to be what from previous experience and pattern recognition. Try it, see if it works, try something else - problem is trying in this case is flash ECU each time :crazy1: And, of course, you need to be somewhat careful - being it controls an engine.
BTW I use hacker in the sense of someone modifying programs and/or hardware to preform outside of the design intentions or manufacture parameters, not the mass-media definition which is most often 'black-hat' hacking done by 'black hat hackers' also know as 'crackers'. Of course like everything IT just to be confusing - the Black Hat conference is in fact legitimate/good even though the name implies otherwise.
Good to know regards the future mods - yup complete ECU upgrade. Or completely different from non-OEM firmware in the OEM ECU - see :link: Open Source/DIY EMS/ECU - not totally i30 related... (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=37230.msg379030#msg379030) - upgrading the ECU is probably easier and less time consuming and less expensive (unless you are into making new firmware for existing units).
Post by: CraigB on October 10, 2015, 11:33:12
I think just using an aftermarket ECU ( Haltech's etc ) would be a better means, they come preinstalled with everything needed...they just need setting live on a dyno which I'm told would cost the same as what I'm doing now but with the expense of the initial purchase of a Haltech for about 2 - 2.5K
Post by: CraigB on October 13, 2015, 07:47:46
It's looking more like a Haltech job, something I probably should have gone with in the first place :rolleyes:
Post by: cruiserfied on October 13, 2015, 09:33:51
Post by: CraigB on October 13, 2015, 09:44:43
Even at this stage though the tune is still better than standard but it's not what they promised :Pout: there is still much more to be improved upon with leaning out the top end fuel curve and advancing the timing.
Post by: Lakes on October 13, 2015, 10:40:13
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 13, 2015, 10:42:18
Post by: CraigB on October 13, 2015, 10:49:55
Are they making the new Map while car on Dyno? Also this is fly by wire?No, maps are done by a software company in another country then flashed to ECU and run up on dyno for results then that info is sent off for further modifications, no live tunning for Hyundai ECU's.
Yes it's a drive-by wire throttle body, which has been tunned for better response as well as improved bottom end fuel curve...they just cant seem to work out how to improve/lean out the top end fuel curve or advance the timing, some code also require disabling on the exhaust sensors which they cant work out either :disapp:
Post by: ibrokeit on October 13, 2015, 22:09:49
Post by: CraigB on October 14, 2015, 09:34:53
RPW blew their stack at the software guys and the big boss was called in to whip em into shape :toldyou:
Post by: cruiserfied on October 14, 2015, 13:10:41
Post by: CraigB on October 14, 2015, 13:23:30
Post by: cruiserfied on October 15, 2015, 10:25:17
Post by: CraigB on October 15, 2015, 10:33:09
Yeah im not going to a GD running gear. Me wants the Beta2 in an Accent.As long as it doesn't have post 2009 ECU with the factory firmware upgrade that locks the ECU via the OBD port with their 1024bit encryption you'll be fine.
Post by: cruiserfied on October 15, 2015, 10:47:10
Post by: CraigB on October 15, 2015, 10:49:47
Post by: cruiserfied on October 15, 2015, 10:54:20
Post by: CraigB on October 16, 2015, 06:52:43
There isn't much left to do with the timing so concentrating solely on leaning out the fuel curve is just the main concern now which will add another few ponies, Alientech ( software tuners ) have also managed today to open some more of the locked files which is looking positive so hopefully they'll get everything done and sorted with the next file upload then it'll be finished...and I'll be a happy man :)
This is a pic from todays run compared against the prior tune, power is up to 135hp at the "axels" now which is up from 135ps ( 133hp ) at the flywheel so it's quite an improvement considering the drop in the AFR's.
The solid lines are the new tune, dotted are the prior tune.
(http://i.imgur.com/dGJhy4Q.jpg)
Fuel economy is still in the mid to high 4's, 2ltrs per 100km's better than standard.
(http://i.imgur.com/cTAUFiH.jpg)
Post by: AlanHo on October 16, 2015, 07:42:48
It would appear that your biggest improvement might be economy rather than grunt.
However - you have had your frustrations with the project - but I bet it's been fun.............. :goodjob:
Post by: CraigB on October 16, 2015, 07:53:59
To the untrained eye (which mine are) the torque and power improvements in the 2 to 3000 rev range look marginal. I was rather expecting plus 10% on each - but I always was the supreme optimistAlan your forgetting that the small improvement you see there is from the last tune " not the factory tune ", factory tune is much lower but I don't have a copy of it.
It would appear that your biggest improvement might be economy rather than grunt.
However - you have had your frustrations with the project - but I bet it's been fun.............. :goodjob:
Basically the hp and torque shown there is what would have originally been at the engine but is now at the wheels so it's quite a significant improvement with still a little more to come yet with leaning out the fuel curve.
Once the fuel is leaned out it should roughly be the same improvement again as shown between those two runs.
Post by: AlanHo on October 16, 2015, 08:04:35
Post by: CraigB on October 16, 2015, 08:24:45
Post by: eye30 on October 16, 2015, 08:29:09
Post by: CraigB on October 16, 2015, 08:35:30
Did they take a copy of the factory settings so the car can be returned when you sell?They do have a copy of the factory tune though it wouldn't be any good to use with a modified exhaust.
There also wouldn't be any need/want to install the factory tune as it's crap compared to now, factory tune was less hp used more fuel and was no where near as smooth.
Post by: Lakes on October 17, 2015, 21:31:54
TQ is good just all over the place need to smooth that out, if you can, but thats a lot more TQ than the factory and at the axle not from flywheel. with the programable throttle you can tune them to perfection if you know how. but if they are having problems they are a PIA.
the gain from the last tune is a good one that you will feel, but when you get AFR right there is more, that TQ is nearly up with the CRDi 1.6 but as it's all over the place right now and the CRDi has a flat 1,900 to 3,200 260nm. also this just shows at rpm not time so can't tell how quick it spooled up.
still great job.
Post by: CraigB on October 18, 2015, 09:33:43
Post by: CraigB on October 27, 2015, 10:24:46
Torque and power will remain virtually the same ( to small to notice ) as the earlier dyno picture so there is no further need to run up on the dyno again.
Final results are as good as I could of expected and congratulations must go to RPW for being as persistent and thorough as they have been with having to kick the program writers in the arse a few times :D
Final hp is 135 - torque is 128ftlbs = 173Nm at the axels, instant straight run usage on freeway is 4.2ltr per 100km down from 4.6ltr per 100km but the overall economy seems to be stable around 6 to 6.2 so no real saving in fuel but then I didn't tune for a fuel saving and I'm happy to have the power increase across the board without using more fuel.
I'll install a new sensor extender tomorrow that'll cure an occasional check light coming up due to no catalytic converter installed in the headers, the new extenders have a piece of catalytic ceramic inside the extender itself.
(http://i.imgur.com/8KpKzER.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on October 27, 2015, 10:36:04
Post by: cruiserfied on October 27, 2015, 10:39:33
Post by: CraigB on October 27, 2015, 10:48:20
Glad its all coming to an end with a good result.Thanks Tim, I'm very happy with the result, other small tune improvements like the throttle responsiveness are nice and another change I discovered the other day was when I depress the clutch the rev's will rise a few 100rpm which helps with quicker gear changes...I have to be a bit more careful off the lights now as she's twitchy on the throttle and wants to spin the wheels :D
Post by: cruiserfied on October 27, 2015, 11:10:58
Post by: CraigB on November 06, 2015, 07:44:47
(http://i.imgur.com/kZEisSW.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on November 06, 2015, 10:11:04
Post by: CraigB on November 06, 2015, 10:28:44
Have to have a little test drive when I come over! :goodjob:No problem :goodjob2:
Post by: cruiserfied on November 06, 2015, 11:24:08
Post by: CraigB on November 06, 2015, 11:37:37
Pretty blueI couldn't make up my mind, it was either red ( don't want red ) - blue or black :Dunno: so I got blue to match intake :neutral:
Post by: cruiserfied on November 06, 2015, 11:38:45
Post by: CraigB on November 06, 2015, 11:48:08
Post by: The Gonz on November 06, 2015, 11:53:21
She's shiny alright :cool: all the shiny stuff is only on one side of the engine bay now, look's unbalanced :crazy1:It's gunna pull to the right now. :whistler:
Post by: cruiserfied on November 06, 2015, 11:59:50
Post by: CraigB on November 06, 2015, 12:28:28
:lol: :lol:She's shiny alright :cool: all the shiny stuff is only on one side of the engine bay now, look's unbalanced :crazy1:It's gunna pull to the right now. :whistler:
OCD meltdown :blubber:That's me to a T, if something isn't right it'll eat away at me until I change it :whistler: :D
Post by: ibrokeit on November 07, 2015, 06:02:39
Kid's character flaw is OCD and symmetry - he has had trouble with killing some enemies because they were in symmetry and killing them would make it asymmetrical, etc., etc. - oh, and due to heritage/ancestral/genetic reasons.... he has three white horizontal stripes (don't even try to figure out how that works) in his hair on one side :D
Post by: Jingle on December 27, 2015, 07:05:30
I'm keen to hear how it's been going after a couple of months (almost)
Post by: CraigB on December 29, 2015, 13:56:15
I have a late 2013 i30 SR so 2.0ltr which turns out to be not quite as zippy as anticipated for a modern engine. So, I have read this thread with much interest. Definitely more than i would spend and I'm all for keeping the warranty, but just wanted to say thank you for sharing the experience.Hi Jingle, the cars been running great and never misses a beat, the tinkering has basically turned a shopping runabout into a fun little sports car...It's no speed demon but the slight modifications have completely changed the characteristics of this car to something I quite enjoy driving now :)
I'm keen to hear how it's been going after a couple of months (almost)
Post by: CraigB on September 06, 2016, 10:02:37
The new system should allow them to piggyback or even completely remove the factory ECU and basically convert the whole throttle back to manual type behaviour where the torque - timing and fuel supplied are more responsively operated via throttle position which has excellent performance gains, going via this route also allows easier application of a supercharger at a later date :D
It wont be happening soon as I've got my trip to Japan in March to do first though I'll definitely be looking at this when I return.
Post by: Dazzler on September 06, 2016, 11:44:11
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 06, 2016, 12:41:18
Post by: CraigB on September 06, 2016, 13:03:59
Y :question:Because I like performance modifications :)
Post by: cruiserfied on September 06, 2016, 14:54:32
Post by: Dazzler on September 07, 2016, 11:23:25
Cool beans.
Are they better than cool bananas?
Post by: ibrokeit on September 26, 2016, 15:55:32
Post by: The Gonz on September 27, 2016, 00:34:05
Post by: Dazzler on September 27, 2016, 02:08:29
Cool bananas are friction modifiers; cool beans are superchargers. :whistler:
Nice analysis! :goodjob: :lol:
Post by: CraigB on September 27, 2016, 04:51:53
:lol: :goodjob2: :DCool bananas are friction modifiers; cool beans are superchargers. :whistler:
Nice analysis! :goodjob: :lol:
Post by: Vivalazuzu on October 10, 2016, 22:05:29
I enjoy driving the car but after reading this thread i am considering some performance upgrades to mine :).
I am also going to Japan for 2 weeks Next month. Can't wait to go! :happydance:
Post by: Dazzler on October 10, 2016, 22:16:55
Post by: CraigB on October 11, 2016, 06:17:00
Well i am sure any modifications to this little beauty would be better than the 93-97 Kw's it has from factory. It is still a great little car to drive around.Hi Vivalazuzu, yeah the mods certainly made the car more enjoyable to drive, reasonably sporty now :) some more top end torque would be nice but with only one choice of headers (short main tubes) I had to settle for bottom end and mid range improvements, stock is 99kw's so your car just got some more power :lol:
I enjoy driving the car but after reading this thread i am considering some performance upgrades to mine :).
I am also going to Japan for 2 weeks Next month. Can't wait to go! :happydance:
Enjoy Japan, I'm very much looking forward to it :happydance:
Post by: CraigB on April 03, 2017, 16:53:26
Post by: CraigB on April 05, 2017, 08:49:53
Not all hope is lost though as there has been sufficient time now for the guys in the know to put in the valuable hours needed and they do have the capability to adjust several more AFR and timing files so I'm going to run the toy up on their dyno next week and see what they have to say...hopefully just a bit more timing advancement and leaning out a few areas in the AFR's can now easily be fixed.
I've already made a change to my exhaust (again :)) ditched the bottle 150cpi catalytic converter due to lacking flow rate and ability to clear up the o2 mixture correctly which threw an occasional o2 engine code on cooler weather days, replaced the bottle cat with a Euro 4 type ceramic cat which will compensate for not having 2 cats...a pre and post Euro 3 type catalytic converters.
Euro 4 cats have a much higher metals content giving better cleaning results and are also larger giving increased flow due to larger surface area, it's working well so far and can feel a slight increase in bottom end torque and it's also knocked a couple of decibels of the exhaust note which was annoying me around the 100kph limit.