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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => DIESEL => Topic started by: uloola on July 06, 2013, 07:57:19
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I have a 2 year old i30cw 1.6lt auto diesel.On three occasions in the past 2 years I experienced the accelerator sticking on full throttle when moving of from a stop.Dealer said they could not find a problem.This is to be expected with an intermittent fault but I felt I had to get it on the record because of the potential dangers of this situation,the only known case they said had occurred once in Korea.
When bought the car new I had the D.P. Chip (Diesel Power) installed at Berrima Diesel near Sydney.As I was unsuccessful at the dealer I returned to Berrima Diesel and the owner there,Rheinhart,who sources tell me is one of the best in the business,advised me to change the throttle position sensor.
As yet I have not changed the sensor.I overcome the situation by steering to the kerb and knocking the car into neutral whilst turning the ignition key back one notch to turn the engine off .I wait ten seconds and restart the engine and everything is normal.
Anybody have any ideas apart from changing the sensor?
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Not really other than a) take the expert's advice, and b) if that doesn't work, demod back to factory chip. Whatever you do, I'd do it ASAP - no telling when it might happen next and at the worst time. :Shocked:
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Welcome uloola
Sorry can't help.. Sounds very scary :sweating:
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Sell it to member i30rsa, that's how he drives. :snigger:
Seriously, that's dangerous, needs fixing ASAP. :disapp:
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Thanks for the advice.The DP chip is on the side of the ECU that does not affect the basic functions.
I have been driving semi trailers for decades,a sticking throttle was a fairly normal occurrence in a 12 hour day so the problem does not worry me to much.I was just wondering if anybody had the same problem and if they solved it
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Thanks for the advice.The DP chip is on the side of the ECU that does not affect the basic functions.
I have been driving semi trailers for decades,a sticking throttle was a fairly normal occurrence in a 12 hour day so the problem does not worry me to much.I was just wondering if anybody had the same problem and if they solved it
I can't recall that on an i30 before (thankfully) :sweating:
Luckily I drive a toyota.. Oh hang on :Shocked: :sweating:
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Welcome to the foum.
I've never heard of that problem before, sorry.
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:D What's a foum :question:
Ah, Margaret River. :D
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Thanks for the advice.The DP chip is on the side of the ECU that does not affect the basic functions.
I have been driving semi trailers for decades,a sticking throttle was a fairly normal occurrence in a 12 hour day so the problem does not worry me to much.I was just wondering if anybody had the same problem and if they solved it
I would like Gonz said take the advice of the experts and quickly,as for the statement about the semi's,I too have been driving semi's for a fraction over four decades and in the earlier days when we weren't so regulated for a lot longer than a 12 hour shift,I have in this time only had ONE throttle stick at max rev's and that was in an old ACCO 1900 with a cable throttle and it seized due to lack of maintainance,if your driving semi's where this happens as a normal occurrence then I would be looking for a job with a company with a better maintainance record,because I can tell you from experience THIS IS NOT a normal occurence and is just a dangerous as your sticking throttle on your car.
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:D What's a foum :question:
Ah, Margaret River. :D
:rofl: :oops:
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Just to reminisce, and we're talking 25 years ago, I took on a telegraph pole once due to a sticking throttle.
It had happened a week before and I immediately had it investigated but to no avail.
Well as it turned out, the panel that runs from the bottom of the dash to the firewall with the slots in it for the clutch, brake and throttle had lost the clip at the firewall side that holds it up out of the way and if you happened to flatten it (I was 20 and playing in the wet going around a corner) and your feet were biggun's like mine that would be pushing on it without realising, well you're in the hands of the gods (and with the benefit of a bit of maturity, get what I deserved for being a dickhead).
I was lucky as it was only a pole but it could have been a lot lot worse.
As I type this, maybe you check your car to see if you're not replicating this same issue.
As others have said, get on to it fast.
Cheers
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Full throttle?.... Maybe towing or whatever but I can't remember ever flooring the pedal on my i30 or my re-mapped Fiat. But if I ever had a sticking throttle it would be my number 1 priority fix!
Oh and no, never had this at any throttle position, so I'd be eying the tuning box suspiciously!
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Interesting that joined up, made this post to pose the question, replied once, but hasn't revisited :rolleyes:
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Interesting that joined up, made this post to pose the question, replied once, but hasn't revisited :rolleyes:
I'll send him a PM...
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Interesting that joined up, made this post to pose the question, replied once, but hasn't revisited :rolleyes:
I'll send him a PM...
A current one or a past one? :undecided:
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Interesting that joined up, made this post to pose the question, replied once, but hasn't revisited :rolleyes:
I'll send him a PM...
A current one or a past one? :undecided:
I sent him a where are you PM on the 25/7 (no reply yet)
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Probably a "plant" from some other makes fan-club, trying to discredit the brand!
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It's this sort of bitchiness that often makes me want to leave... a bloke doesn't conform to your ideals or timeliness and he's given a serve - every time. :confused:
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It's this sort of bitchiness that often makes me want to leave... a bloke doesn't conform to your ideals or timeliness and he's given a serve - every time. :confused:
I hope they were only joking :undecided: :Shocked:
"RSA" deserved it...
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I hope they were only joking :undecided: :Shocked:
So how is it a joke to join a club and after 2 posts be accused of being a "plant".
If that happened to me I would not be reaching #3 post. Get real you guys. If you want the membership to grow and remain, then get off your high horses.
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I'm entitled to an opinion & I expressed it. Since when did this engaging liberal forum become a dictatorship? My comment wasn't intended to offend as I didn't think anyone could be so brittle jawed TBH!
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Fair enough!
If these are the standards, then I'm going to vote with my feet. I've had a good time... but it's time to go.
I hope my posts have been of use to others.
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:wtf: has just happened,Have I missed something
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Fair enough!
If these are the standards, then I'm going to vote with my feet. I've had a good time... but it's time to go.
I hope my posts have been of use to others.
Sorry to see you go, pip.... :undecided:
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:MeToo:, actually. :(
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Which oil is the best to use in my car?
Hello?
Hello?
:disapp:
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I'm entitled to an opinion & I expressed it. Since when did this engaging liberal forum become a dictatorship? My comment wasn't intended to offend as I didn't think anyone could be so brittle jawed TBH!
I'm not looking for an argument but I really must say I did find it a little over the top myself.... :undecided:
I re read this thread and really can't see anything in his posts that would cause anyone to come to the conclusion that he was a "plant".
He wasn't even "bagging" Hyundai, simply pointing out an issue just as many other new and old members have done....
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That is a fair point Rusty..
I guess some feel it is a bit rude to post a question and not come back for the answers... (but they may have many valid reasons for that) Lost the link, lost their pasword, been i'll, gone on holidays without internet access...
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I'm entitled to an opinion & I expressed it. Since when did this engaging liberal forum become a dictatorship? My comment wasn't intended to offend as I didn't think anyone could be so brittle jawed TBH!
I'm not looking for an argument but I really must say I did find it a little over the top myself.... :undecided:
I re read this thread and really can't see anything in his posts that would cause anyone to come to the conclusion that he was a "plant".
He wasn't even "bagging" Hyundai, simply pointing out an issue just as many other new and old members have done....
I must be a bit more thick skinned or just plain stupid,I've gone up and down the post and other from the original question,the replies and others opinions,I couldn't see what all the fuss is about,uloola from my point of view didn't look or sound to be a plant,but Keith was only expressing his view,I feel like a plant some days,a weed growing in the back yard,certainly not a rose.
Like many PPL I tend judge others, within fifteen minutes of talking to them and their actions over a period of time,or in this case by reading their posts and what they say in them and portray themselves as through their posts,generally 99% of the time I'm right,almost everyone here too me are decent PPL,we all having our own sometimes very strong opinions on certain subjects,including myself,it all I suppose comes back to our upbringing and how and what we were taught over the years,me I was taught to respect others(sometimes I forget this),but on the other hand not be down trodden by anyone(which I will never be),don't touch that which is not yours if you want to use something of others Ask.
Hopefully uloola,took the simple advice of the experts he has seen and got his car fixed
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That is a fair point Rusty..
I guess some feel it is a bit rude to post a question and not come back for the answers... (but they may have many valid reasons for that) Lost the link, lost their pasword, been i'll, gone on holidays without internet access...
...died, got divorced, missus left him, kids got arrested, dog ran away, mother-in-law came back.......
The list is endless.
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That is a fair point Rusty..
I guess some feel it is a bit rude to post a question and not come back for the answers... (but they may have many valid reasons for that) Lost the link, lost their pasword, been i'll, gone on holidays without internet access...
...died, got divorced, missus left him, kids got arrested, dog ran away, mother-in-law came back.......
The list is endless.
Nuff said.. Now where is Pip.... :Pout:
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That is a fair point Rusty..
I guess some feel it is a bit rude to post a question and not come back for the answers... (but they may have many valid reasons for that) Lost the link, lost their pasword, been i'll, gone on holidays without internet access...
...died, got divorced, missus left him, kids got arrested, dog ran away, mother-in-law came back.......
The list is endless.
Nuff said.. Now where is Pip.... :Pout:
Pretty sure Pip has done a runner :confused:
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That is a fair point Rusty..
I guess some feel it is a bit rude to post a question and not come back for the answers... (but they may have many valid reasons for that) Lost the link, lost their pasword, been i'll, gone on holidays without internet access...
...died, got divorced, missus left him, kids got arrested, dog ran away, mother-in-law came back.......
The list is endless.
Nuff said.. Now where is Pip.... :Pout:
Pretty sure Pip has done a runner :confused:
Just a lover's tiff.. :coolingoff: (I've got his email addy I'll contact him in a day or two)
Don't anyone but me make any tasteless jokes in the meantime OK :Cuppa:
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Don't anyone but me make any tasteless jokes in the meantime OK :Cuppa:
Geez that's a bit unfair,bit like a full bladder "not sure I'll be able to hold it in " :question:
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OK I feel like the Pommie villain here, I wasn't gonna get myself further in the crap so tell Pip I'm sorry and I hope he comes back.
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OK I feel like the Pommie villain here, I wasn't gonna get myself further in the crap so tell Pip I'm sorry and I hope he comes back.
..and for that you have been banished to Van Diemen's Land (for a visit) :winker:
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OK I feel like the Pommie villain here, I wasn't gonna get myself further in the crap so tell Pip I'm sorry and I hope he comes back.
:goodjob2: Nice gesture.
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I hope that Pip comes back. I always valued his perspective and comments on all things i30...
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I hope that Pip comes back. I always valued his perspective and comments on all things i30...
I have sent him an email (time will tell I guess) :sweating:
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Good one, Dazz! :goodjob2:
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Luckily Kevin didn't see all this as far as I know...
He just replied to my PM and this is what he said (He was happy for me to quote him)
Hi there. I have had no problems since the last post.However,I have been doing some research on the American incidences of the throttle sticking open and after the National Transportation Safety Board investigations and theNational Highway Traffic Safety Administration found that there was no mechanical cause and put the various instances down to driver error.They even passed the problem on to NASA who drilled down into the software and could find no fault.
However a Professor David Gilbert at the Southern Illinois University was able to induce a fault that caused an electronic throttle opening without it registering on the Diagnostic Trouble Code in the cars software or putting the car into limp home mode.He testified both Congress.
The famous "Computer Glitch"seems to be a cover all nowadays for something that can't be explained.
In my three instances I was moving off from the lights and using more throttle than normal, in the first instance, I pushed the brake pedal and that solved the problem but on the other two occasions braking had no effect even after blipping the pedal several times, as in the old days with a mechanical cable that had not had enough lubrication and this would solve the trouble, and I put the auto into neutral and quickly turned the ignition key to the first stop so as to turn the engine off but not activate the steering lock.I did not want to turn the key off whilst the car was still in Drive because I though that might freak the computer out and it would shut down the car completely and have to have the car towed to the dealer.
As I said in my last post I was advised by a highly respected expert in the field and he advised me to change the throttle position sensor,as i have had no recurrence as yet I'm just waiting to see what happens next.Another possibility is condensation on the mother board,but that's just my guess.
As an aside I used to drive a two year old Iveco semi trailer which was an automatic,what bliss !,and the engine would stop accelerating even when the pedal was being pushed down but of course the fault was intermittent.My boss eventually had me take it back to the dealer and they changed the pedal box unit which solve the issue.So may be that could be the cause. I had a serious accident in that truck,which was not my fault,the cause was the client not loading a shipping container properly and the truck literally fell onto it's side whilst I was doing five klm, luckily I had witnesses to back that up but my boss was advised that eye witnesses are not conclusive.He tried to obtain the information from the truck computer.Legally he owns the truck and therefore the info on the chip.The dealer said the they could not retrieve the data and would have to send ti back to the factory in Italy but the factory reckon they own the data and washed their hands of it.Eventually the client was found to be at fault but the Roads and Traffic Authority refused to prosecute,I have no doubt if it had been may fault I would be facing several serious charges.Also the airbags did not deploy and the engine did not automatically shut down so the data which records the speed etc at the time of the rollover was not recorded so my bosses efforts to obtain the record may have been futile.Legally it's a gray area as far as the access to the data is concerned as many drivers have tried to prove at what speed they were doing when the air bags were deployed but the car companies will release the info.
Thanks for your interest in this matter,If you have any Questions on this mammoth post please let me know.
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That's a big reply, which indicates that those involved (me included), were insensitive to say the least. :-[
However, if NASA can't find fault, it is a very disturbing situation. :Dunno:
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However, if NASA can't find fault, it is a very disturbing situation. :Dunno:
Not like it's rocket science or anything :snigger:
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interesting, i wonder what the DP chip worked like? it's a tuning box , set up by Berrima Diesel for Australian conditions. but this is first i've seen on an i30. seen one other post on one fitted to a Focus 2.0 crd guy was happy.
wonder if the car had Cruise Control?
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Bit like the sticking gear problem I had a while ago,no one accept myself and Sue experienced it,but does that mean it was not there,funny how they changed and topped the gear oil up to the correct level,the problem has never shown it's ugly head again,makes you wonder about these things.