Post by: Lakes on June 05, 2008, 10:39:55
Post by: i30niko on August 12, 2012, 13:20:49
On a full tank in Adelaide SA city traffic I get around 700Kms (with about 5L left in the tank).
I do not want to risk completely emptying the tank in case air get sucked in.....
How is everyone else comparing?
Post by: bryanj86 on August 13, 2012, 06:38:45
Post by: i30niko on August 13, 2012, 11:26:53
the tanks are what?..55L? And you say you got 700km to the 50L you used. That makes your economy 7.14l/100.
Yeah pretty much as I said I still got around 5L in the tank I never let it run out completely,
so I am not happy with that. Maybe the oil they use? (Castrol Magnatec) Which I think is not even
fully synthetic.
Post by: rustynutz on August 13, 2012, 11:32:15
Post by: i30niko on August 13, 2012, 12:02:04
How many Km do you usually get on a full tank?
I have to mention mine is an auto though which is worse than the manual but still,
I was expecting better fuel economy. I will be doing the 7,500 service myself
and putting in a top-of-the-range oil and see if it makes any difference.
Post by: Dazzler on August 13, 2012, 12:24:09
Depending on driving style the difference can easily be more than the 1.3 LPH rating difference and this makes a big difference to the range (as you are finding out) :undecided:
Post by: rustynutz on August 13, 2012, 14:42:01
Your engine is probably still a bit tight so expect things to get a little better once you've done at least 10,000k's....
By the way, what pressure are you running in your tyres...I run 38psi all round.....
Post by: ijet30 on August 20, 2012, 05:31:10
Post by: i30niko on August 20, 2012, 07:59:13
If anyone is looking for a good oil for crdi try nulon 5w-30 diesel formula I'm using it at the moment and my engine is smoother, quiter and more grunt!
I actually had an extensive look at Nulon's products and the only oils I could find that complies with CRDi hyundai's specs is the Nulon 5w40 Long Life Full Synthetic API CF/SM ACEA C3/B4/A3 and the Nulon 5w30 EURO full synthetic oil.
The oil you mentioned even though it says Diesel, it is not a B4 (A requirement for the i30 CRDi) it is B5. Not sure if that makes a huge difference but I hope you do not tell Hyundai because it will most certainly void your warranty!
Post by: ijet30 on August 20, 2012, 15:33:37
Post by: rustynutz on August 20, 2012, 15:59:28
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/MandatoryFluidsForWarantyRepairs.jpg)
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 02:32:24
Post by: Pip on August 21, 2012, 02:34:01
If anyone is looking for a good oil for crdi try nulon 5w-30 diesel formula I'm using it at the moment and my engine is smoother, quiter and more grunt!I have several concerns with this oil:
First, it is described as a "Fully Synthetic" yet the MSDS says it is made from >60% Group 3 oil and 10-20% mineral oil. Group 3 oil is itself 100% derived from crude oil. There appears to be 0% real synthetic. Even if accepting that group 3 is as good as real synthetic (as generally accepted) they ought describe it as "Semi Synthetic" at least. So why don't they? It's a marketing stretch that relies on consumer ignorance to sell more product IMO.
Secondly, it is a B5-04 oil (the suffix is a year update) and not B4. For Oz cars, Hy have unequivocally asked for B4. B5 is designed for economy and generally achieves that by being lower in viscosity. At 11.6 cSt it is near the middle of the w30 range. The w30 grade oils that can meet B4 generally seem to be > 12.2 cSt to offer a greater margin (against thinning too low) particularly in hotter climates and greater loads such as towing etc. The upper margin for w30 is 12.5 cSt and I prefer oils to be near this figure which might be a w40 oil. Economy might not be as good as B5 or other lower viscosity oils but a robust B4 oil should be kinder to the engine.
Thirdly, while it does say it meets C3 (by design, less soot to give the DPF less to cope with) it is not required in Oz either, because there is no DPF. As Rusty says, its use does not appear to be against the recomendation and should result in less exhaust pollution and might even reduce the possibility of inlet deposits fed back via the EGR.
All up, I would not recommend this oil. Sorry.
Post by: Pip on August 21, 2012, 02:36:28
It's funny how hyundai contradict them self by saying that you can use castrol edge 0W-40 when castrol says u can't use it in vehicles with DPF filter, I don't understand that lol..No. What you don't see in the chart is that @@ = DPF and ** = no DPF.
Post by: Dazzler on August 21, 2012, 02:51:00
It's funny how hyundai contradict them self by saying that you can use castrol edge 0W-40 when castrol says u can't use it in vehicles with DPF filter, I don't understand that lol..
We don't have DPF in the Aussie i30 yet ... :goodjob: (The European ones do)
Post by: rustynutz on August 21, 2012, 03:42:12
It's funny how hyundai contradict them self by saying that you can use castrol edge 0W-40 when castrol says u can't use it in vehicles with DPF filter, I don't understand that lol..
The old 0W-40 Castrol Edge (which is the one referred to in the Hyundai notice) met both C3 & B4......
But, 0W-40 Castrol Edge "Titanium" only meets B4 whiich is why it's listed as not suitable for vehicles with particulate filters......
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 03:50:56
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 03:51:55
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 04:01:25
Which oil r u referring to pip? Castrol? Or nulon?
Never mind I see u meant nulon
Post by: rustynutz on August 21, 2012, 05:45:41
Dazz have a look on ur engine cover it says that it is fitted with a catalyzed particulate filter.. Is that not that same as a diesel particulate filter?
I'd check yours again, ijet, as i30's in Oz don't have a particulate filter, and that includes the latest model.... :confused:
Post by: Pip on August 21, 2012, 06:00:53
If you have a DPF (diesel particulate filter) you have no option but to use a low SAPS oil which will be an ACEA Cx oil else the DPF will get stuffed (literally and metaphorically) and they are expensive.
If you don't have a DPF (Australia at least) you are
B4 might be better for the engine and C3 might be better for us. It's not impossible have both together although it is my opinion that compromises will be made in such cases but ideally oil merchants would probably love to have a universal oil.
B5 is designed as a long life low friction oil. Many of the desired attributes of each type of oil are mutually opposed.
My definitions are generalisations.
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 21, 2012, 06:06:29
Dazz have a look on ur engine cover it says that it is fitted with a catalyzed particulate filter.. Is that not that same as a diesel particulate filter?
I'd check yours again, ijet, as i30's in Oz don't have a particulate filter, and that includes the latest model.... :confused:
:whsaid:
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 08:40:19
Dazz have a look on ur engine cover it says that it is fitted with a catalyzed particulate filter.. Is that not that same as a diesel particulate filter?
I'd check yours again, ijet, as i30's in Oz don't have a particulate filter, and that includes the latest model.... :confused:
Do u have a caustion label on ur engine cover?
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 21, 2012, 08:51:32
Post by: rustynutz on August 21, 2012, 10:14:28
Dazz have a look on ur engine cover it says that it is fitted with a catalyzed particulate filter.. Is that not that same as a diesel particulate filter?
I'd check yours again, ijet, as i30's in Oz don't have a particulate filter, and that includes the latest model.... :confused:
Do u have a caustion label on ur engine cover?
I do ijet, and here's a pic.... :)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Sticker.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Sticker2.jpg)
And here's a pic of the sticker on a 2012 GD i30....
Post by: Dazzler on August 21, 2012, 10:20:08
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 10:44:34
Does it say fitted with a catylized particulate filter?Dazz have a look on ur engine cover it says that it is fitted with a catalyzed particulate filter.. Is that not that same as a diesel particulate filter?
I'd check yours again, ijet, as i30's in Oz don't have a particulate filter, and that includes the latest model.... :confused:
Do u have a caustion label on ur engine cover?
I do ijet, and here's a pic.... :)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Sticker.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Sticker2.jpg)
And here's a pic of the sticker on a 2012 GD i30....
Post by: ijet30 on August 21, 2012, 10:46:44
I do, but it says that the vehicle is NOT fitted with a DPF.Mine says fitted with catalyzed particulate filter :-/ I'm not sure if that's the same as a DPF tho
Post by: Pip on August 21, 2012, 11:17:43
Post by: ijet30 on August 22, 2012, 00:51:06
ijet30, I clearly see the word "not" in those 2 images. Does yours not have "not"?Yeh!
Post by: Dazzler on August 22, 2012, 01:51:36
ijet30, I clearly see the word "not" in those 2 images. Does yours not have "not"?Yeh!
So are we clear about that then? .. It is a good thing believe me (from what AlanHo and other European i30 owners have told us)
The regular Regeneration (of a DPF/CPF) has a measurable toll on the fuel mileage :fum:
If by YEAH you are saying it does not have the word NOT :wacko: then we would like to see a photo of the sticker please :P
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 22, 2012, 02:30:22
Post by: ijet30 on August 22, 2012, 10:27:49
I can upload photos it's annoying me! And yes I don't have a CPF!ijet30, I clearly see the word "not" in those 2 images. Does yours not have "not"?Yeh!
So are we clear about that then? .. It is a good thing believe me (from what AlanHo and other European i30 owners have told us)
The regular Regeneration (of a DPF/CPF) has a measurable toll on the fuel mileage :fum:
If by YEAH you are saying it does not have the word NOT :wacko: then we would like to see a photo of the sticker please :P
Post by: Dazzler on August 22, 2012, 10:54:54
I can upload photos it's annoying me! And yes I don't have a CPF!
Didn't you read rule 57b " I will not get annoyed with an Administrator..." :snigger:
Glad we cleared that up .. :winker:
Post by: ijet30 on August 22, 2012, 11:00:43
I meant cant* upload photos don't know whyI can upload photos it's annoying me! And yes I don't have a CPF!
Didn't you read rule 57b " I will not get annoyed with an Administrator..." :snigger:
Glad we cleared that up .. :winker:
Post by: AlanHo on August 22, 2012, 11:04:23
Does the car not have a sticker with the word not in it or does it not have a sticker that has not got the word not in it. I'm getting tied in knots.......... :rofl:
Post by: Shambles on August 22, 2012, 11:09:35
I meant cant* upload photos don't know why
https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=3803.0 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=3803.0)
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 22, 2012, 11:28:01
Post by: Pip on August 22, 2012, 13:04:07
Me 'ed 'urts.Clearly there is a problem with negatives and double negatives just exacerbate the problem. I apologise for that, I thought it was funny at the time!
Does the car not have a sticker with the word not in it or does it not have a sticker that has not got the word not in it. I'm getting tied in knots.......... :rofl:
Al, you are knot helping in the sliightest. :rofl:
Post by: i30niko on August 23, 2012, 10:32:26
I do, but it says that the vehicle is NOT fitted with a DPF.Mine says fitted with catalyzed particulate filter :-/ I'm not sure if that's the same as a DPF tho
I think its the same. If you are in Australia there is no way yours has a DPF....
Post by: ijet30 on August 24, 2012, 08:17:11
Yeh thanks mate there isn't a DPF on my i30 I wasnt having the best of day and didn't read it wrong...I do, but it says that the vehicle is NOT fitted with a DPF.Mine says fitted with catalyzed particulate filter :-/ I'm not sure if that's the same as a DPF tho
I think its the same. If you are in Australia there is no way yours has a DPF....
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 24, 2012, 08:33:48
Yeh thanks mate there isn't a DPF on my i30 I wasnt having the best of day and didn't read it wrong...I do, but it says that the vehicle is NOT fitted with a DPF.Mine says fitted with catalyzed particulate filter :-/ I'm not sure if that's the same as a DPF tho
I think its the same. If you are in Australia there is no way yours has a DPF....
:confused: Didn't or did? :undecided: :lol:
Post by: Pip on August 24, 2012, 08:38:48
Or was that best of week? :snigger:Yeh thanks mate there isn't a DPF on my i30 I wasnt having the best of day and didn't read it wrong...I do, but it says that the vehicle is NOT fitted with a DPF.Mine says fitted with catalyzed particulate filter :-/ I'm not sure if that's the same as a DPF tho
I think its the same. If you are in Australia there is no way yours has a DPF....
:confused: Didn't or did? :undecided: :lol:
Post by: ijet30 on August 24, 2012, 12:51:32
Did*Yeh thanks mate there isn't a DPF on my i30 I wasnt having the best of day and didn't read it wrong...I do, but it says that the vehicle is NOT fitted with a DPF.Mine says fitted with catalyzed particulate filter :-/ I'm not sure if that's the same as a DPF tho
I think its the same. If you are in Australia there is no way yours has a DPF....
:confused: Didn't or did? :undecided: :lol:
Post by: i30niko on August 29, 2012, 12:11:11
Yeh ur right it does say B5 but it actually has B5-04 which I'm not sure what that means but on the back of the bottle it says " suitable for use in the following manufacturer's vechiles" and Hyundai is one of them am I think all of hyundai's crdi's would be B4 from the 1.6 to the 2.2lt..
I think the 04 in front of the B5 is the year 2004....This is the way I see it, so it does not actually mean B5-B4.
Post by: ijet30 on August 30, 2012, 19:41:33
Yeh ur right it does say B5 but it actually has B5-04 which I'm not sure what that means but on the back of the bottle it says " suitable for use in the following manufacturer's vechiles" and Hyundai is one of them am I think all of hyundai's crdi's would be B4 from the 1.6 to the 2.2lt..
I think the 04 in front of the B5 is the year 2004....This is the way I see it, so it does not actually mean B5-B4.
On the bottle it's displayed B5-04 so yeh maybe it does mean 2004 :-/ I dunno but Hyundai names is under the manufacturers approved so I guess they can't say that I've avoided my warranty if they approve of this oil..
Post by: Pip on August 31, 2012, 00:48:16
Yeh ur right it does say B5 but it actually has B5-04 which I'm not sure what that means but on the back of the bottle it says " suitable for use in the following manufacturer's vechiles" and Hyundai is one of them am I think all of hyundai's crdi's would be B4 from the 1.6 to the 2.2lt..
I think the 04 in front of the B5 is the year 2004....This is the way I see it, so it does not actually mean B5-B4.
On the bottle it's displayed B5-04 so yeh maybe it does mean 2004 :-/ I dunno but Hyundai names is under the manufacturers approved so I guess they can't say that I've avoided my warranty if they approve of this oil..
B5-04 means it meets the 2004 revision of the B5 standard. There have been three revisions since then and the '04 revision would be considered well superceded.
http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/2010_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf (http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/2010_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf)
I believe you have drawn the wrong conclusion regarding its suitability for your car and you theoretically risk your engine warranty by its use. :sweating:
To be perfectly clear, You must use ACEA B4 in an diesel i30 that has no DPF and that means Australia.
Post by: ijet30 on September 05, 2012, 09:04:28
I understand that!! but the problem ls with hyundai there name should not be under the manufacturer listing for approving the oil if it doesn't meet that standard..Yeh ur right it does say B5 but it actually has B5-04 which I'm not sure what that means but on the back of the bottle it says " suitable for use in the following manufacturer's vechiles" and Hyundai is one of them am I think all of hyundai's crdi's would be B4 from the 1.6 to the 2.2lt..
I think the 04 in front of the B5 is the year 2004....This is the way I see it, so it does not actually mean B5-B4.
On the bottle it's displayed B5-04 so yeh maybe it does mean 2004 :-/ I dunno but Hyundai names is under the manufacturers approved so I guess they can't say that I've avoided my warranty if they approve of this oil..
B5-04 means it meets the 2004 revision of the B5 standard. There have been three revisions since then and the '04 revision would be considered well superceded.
http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/2010_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf (http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/2010_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf)
I believe you have drawn the wrong conclusion regarding its suitability for your car and you theoretically risk your engine warranty by its use. :sweating:
To be perfectly clear, You must use ACEA B4 in an diesel i30 that has no DPF and that means Australia.
Castrol edge look pretty good tho!!
Post by: Pip on September 06, 2012, 08:29:06
I understand that!! but the problem ls with hyundai there name should not be under the manufacturer listing for approving the oil if it doesn't meet that standard..I haven't looked at the bottle but unless it says "suitable for Hyundai i30 diesel" I don't think you can assume it is, just because of any other mention of Hyundai. Furthermore, I expect that Hyundai have had no input WRT its suitability (for any of their cars) and it's just the oil manufacturer offering a general (marketing) statement that it thinks it suits (some or one?) Hyundai of some unidentified model. AFAIK Hy do not have any special requirements (other than ACEA B4) and therefore do not (need to) approve any oil at all directly. They do have a short list of oils that meet B4 standard.
In other words, the problem is with the oil company carelessly misleading you, not Hyundai.
Even though you've said you understand I'll repeat for everyone else: Hyundai i30 diesels without a DPF must use ACEA B4 oil as per Hyundai to maintain the engine warranty.
If it does say "i30" on the label I'll take it back. :wacko:
Post by: ijet30 on September 06, 2012, 17:05:43
What do u think of castrol edge 5w-30?I understand that!! but the problem ls with hyundai there name should not be under the manufacturer listing for approving the oil if it doesn't meet that standard..I haven't looked at the bottle but unless it says "suitable for Hyundai i30 diesel" I don't think you can assume it is, just because of any other mention of Hyundai. Furthermore, I expect that Hyundai have had no input WRT its suitability (for any of their cars) and it's just the oil manufacturer offering a general (marketing) statement that it thinks it suits (some or one?) Hyundai of some unidentified model. AFAIK Hy do not have any special requirements (other than ACEA B4) and therefore do not (need to) approve any oil at all directly. They do have a short list of oils that meet B4 standard.
In other words, the problem is with the oil company carelessly misleading you, not Hyundai.
Even though you've said you understand I'll repeat for everyone else: Hyundai i30 diesels without a DPF must use ACEA B4 oil as per Hyundai to maintain the engine warranty.
If it does say "i30" on the label I'll take it back. :wacko:
Post by: rustynutz on September 07, 2012, 02:40:41
Post by: Pip on September 07, 2012, 06:50:41
What do u think of castrol edge 5w-30?The new Titanium is probably better than the previous Edge Sport 5w30. I personally didn't feel comfortable using the old one. 0w40 is better though.
Post by: ijet30 on September 08, 2012, 05:01:31
Is the 0w-40 safe enough to use on the i30 crdi? I'd give it a shot if it's fine to useWhat do u think of castrol edge 5w-30?The new Titanium is probably better than the previous Edge Sport 5w30. I personally didn't feel comfortable using the old one. 0w40 is better though.
Post by: Pip on September 08, 2012, 08:27:52
I think Rusty is using it and I would be happy with it.Is the 0w-40 safe enough to use on the i30 crdi? I'd give it a shot if it's fine to useWhat do u think of castrol edge 5w-30?The new Titanium is probably better than the previous Edge Sport 5w30. I personally didn't feel comfortable using the old one. 0w40 is better though.
I'm still using a Castrol 0w30 Syntec that is a German formulation and never marketed here unfortunately. AFAIK noone is importing this to Oz anymore (from the US which themselves sourced it from Germany). It had the distinction of also meeting VW 503.01 which I took to be a good thing (even if unnecessary for our motors). Some vdubs had an under-engineered cam system to drive the injectors and only a few oils could meet the film strength required.
I have some Mobil 1 0w40 lined up for next time. The latest Titanium Castrol 0w40 and the Mobil 1 0w40 look to be very similar. I'm guessing Castrol want to get a bigger piece of the Mobil 1 market with it.
The other oil on my short list would be Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 although I'm sure many others would be perfectly acceptable.
Just to make the point, none of these oils are suitable for DPF diesels - I am talking Oz only here.
Post by: ijet30 on September 08, 2012, 09:30:23
The shell helix ultra is what Hyundai use its ok I guess but was just looking for a good alternative or something better possibly.. But I might give castrol edge a go see what that's like :)I think Rusty is using it and I would be happy with it.Is the 0w-40 safe enough to use on the i30 crdi? I'd give it a shot if it's fine to useWhat do u think of castrol edge 5w-30?The new Titanium is probably better than the previous Edge Sport 5w30. I personally didn't feel comfortable using the old one. 0w40 is better though.
I'm still using a Castrol 0w30 Syntec that is a German formulation and never marketed here unfortunately. AFAIK noone is importing this to Oz anymore (from the US which themselves sourced it from Germany). It had the distinction of also meeting VW 503.01 which I took to be a good thing (even if unnecessary for our motors). Some vdubs had an under-engineered cam system to drive the injectors and only a few oils could meet the film strength required.
I have some Mobil 1 0w40 lined up for next time. The latest Titanium Castrol 0w40 and the Mobil 1 0w40 look to be very similar. I'm guessing Castrol want to get a bigger piece of the Mobil 1 market with it.
The other oil on my short list would be Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 although I'm sure many others would be perfectly acceptable.
Just to make the point, none of these oils are suitable for DPF diesels - I am talking Oz only here.
Post by: i30niko on October 13, 2012, 08:55:10
These are the oils for an i30 diesel I (will) be using for oil changes on my i30 - after extensive research I have found these ALL Comply with Hyundai's standards (For AUSTRALIA ONLY WITHOUT DPF):
NULON 5w40 API CF/SM Long Life (ACEA C3/B4/A3)
Shell Helix ULTRA (not extra) 5w40 (purchased that on a deal will be commenting after service below $50)
Valvoline Synpower 5w40 (on a deal at Repco at the moment below $50)
Castrol Edge Titanium 5w30 API SL/CF ACEA A3/B4
Penrite HPR DIESEL 5 (5w40 this is a semi-synthetic but penrite recommend it for the diesel even over their full synthetic range - I have also got this on a deal 10L for less than $90).
Not a big fan of Castrol and I would definitely not use Castrol magnatec range for the i30 diesel in Oz.
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 13, 2012, 09:49:08
Post by: Pip on October 13, 2012, 12:19:48
A bit off topic again,Yep, how about reposting this in "fluids". I'm interested in your research as it is, as you know, very time consuming and worth sharing with the hard core here interested in lubrication.
Post by: rustynutz on October 13, 2012, 13:23:22
A bit off topic again,
These are the oils for an i30 diesel I (will) be using for oil changes on my i30 - after extensive research I have found these ALL Comply with Hyundai's standards (For AUSTRALIA ONLY WITHOUT DPF):
NULON 5w40 API CF/SM Long Life (ACEA C3/B4/A3)
Shell Helix ULTRA (not extra) 5w40 (purchased that on a deal will be commenting after service below $50)
Valvoline Synpower 5w40 (on a deal at Repco at the moment below $50)
Castrol Edge Titanium 5w30 API SL/CF ACEA A3/B4
Penrite HPR DIESEL 5 (5w40 this is a semi-synthetic but penrite recommend it for the diesel even over their full synthetic range - I have also got this on a deal 10L for less than $90).
Not a big fan of Castrol and I would definitely not use Castrol magnatec range for the i30 diesel in Oz.
You might want to add Castrol Edge Titanium 0W40 to the list, i30niko.....I currently use it and so far I'm more than happy with it.... :goodjob:
Post by: Just Rick on October 13, 2012, 14:14:22
Post by: Lakes on October 13, 2012, 22:34:56
I tried the Pentrite HPR 5 last week, quite happy with it , so far. :goodjob2:you won't get me tasting that! LOL
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 13, 2012, 22:53:06
Post by: i30niko on October 14, 2012, 10:18:55
Bugger me after reading this thread my head hurts
Lol I agree - wayyyyy out of topic here - I still get updates when I click on "show new replies to your posts" even though nothing really relevant......those double negatives were funny thought.....