[SOLVED] i30cw power loss while driving, ESP and EPS gone, radio wiped

sundiz · **Reply #60: February 19, 2015, 14:27:33**

Here is picture of the steering column system in i30 1.6 petrol 2009. There is only a few components in that system. So it would make sense that they call that number 2 as a power steering pump.

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #61: February 19, 2015, 18:41:39**

Just a quick update, I tried with the T40 but still couldn't find any error codes. I guess the garage might have wiped the ECU, but given that the problem came back again as soon as I took the car away, I would imagine the fault code would have re-registered. It's very strange.

Lorian · **Reply #62: February 19, 2015, 19:10:24**

Don't think you'll see a C1259 code even if it is present with that T40. According to my list its not reported by the engine ECU, but one of the others. The Engine ECU only reports a lot of P codes and a few U codes, no C codes.

I don't recall (I'm getting old) but did the people who had the C1259/rack swap previously also have ESP light lit? Not just EPS?

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #63: February 19, 2015, 20:14:33**

Quote from: Lorian on February 19, 2015, 19:10:24

I don't recall (I'm getting old) but did the people who had the C1259/rack swap previously also have ESP light lit? Not just EPS?

I was looking for threads with the same scenario as mine, so yeah, those others with the rack swap also had both ESP and EPS lights lit.

sundiz · **Reply #64: February 21, 2015, 17:00:26**

I wonder if the Kia Ceed has the same "power steering pump"? I believe that Kia and Hyundai have used same parts in i30 and ceed. At leas some parts have Kia and Hyundai logos in them. Kia is more popular car here in Finland than Hyundai, so it could be easier to find second hand parts from Kia. Prices of the 2nd hand Ceed power steering pumps start around 250€. But that all depends on if they have used the same pump in Kia and Hyundai... Do Hyundai and Kia have the same part number for certain part or do they use different numbers for same parts?

Phil №❶ · **Reply #65: February 21, 2015, 22:34:55**

I'd be careful there as the Kia and Hy may have different steering designs, e.g. number of turns lock to lock. If they were not identical, I would imagine there would be fault codes and maybe even a fail safe drive home mode in effect. The steering shaft length may also be different, too.

Dazzler · **Reply #66: February 22, 2015, 00:35:36**

Good thought though Sundiz, worth further investigation maybe!

(subject to Phil's concerns)

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #67: February 23, 2015, 07:02:48**

Quote from: sundiz on February 21, 2015, 17:00:26

I wonder if the Kia Ceed has the same "power steering pump"? I believe that Kia and Hyundai have used same parts in i30 and ceed. At leas some parts have Kia and Hyundai logos in them. Kia is more popular car here in Finland than Hyundai, so it could be easier to find second hand parts from Kia. Prices of the 2nd hand Ceed power steering pumps start around 250€. But that all depends on if they have used the same pump in Kia and Hyundai... Do Hyundai and Kia have the same part number for certain part or do they use different numbers for same parts?

I dunno about that, but I found one from a 2010 i30 1.4 for 450€ (plus shipping, since it's located somewhere a few hundred kilometers away) . I just want to confirm, to the best of your knowledge, will this be parts-compatible with my 2009 i30cw 1.6?

The part:

Autovahinkokeskus - Ohjauksen Tehostinpumppu HYUNDAI I30 in Finnish, but you can switch language in the top right corner.

cruiserfied · **Reply #68: February 23, 2015, 08:47:02**

As long as yours is LHD I think that will work.
I would suggest putting your head down around your pedals and have a look. You should be able to see the part numbers on yours.

Dazzler · **Reply #69: February 23, 2015, 08:50:38**

Does that advert tell you the history of the part (is it from a wreck or some other event) any warranty?

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #70: February 23, 2015, 09:35:07**

Quote from: Fi30cw2009 on February 23, 2015, 09:05:42

Nope, it's purely a parts listing with some technical data (you can run the link through Google Translate if that helps). I'm not even sure if they keep a record of that info, but I'll contact the seller and ask about history and warranty.

Actually if you go to photo 12 in the item's set, you can see that the car has had a driver's side mid-body collision. The airbag has clearly deployed too. I have no way of knowing if it would affect the power steering pump, or how this affects the risk involved in using such a part. However, the description says the part quality is A2/TÄYDELLINEN, NORMAALIKUNT.OSA which translates as: A2/perfect, normal condition part. Basically they're saying it's in great shape and undamaged.

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #71: February 23, 2015, 09:58:54**

Quote from: sundiz on February 21, 2015, 17:00:26

Prices of the 2nd hand Ceed power steering pumps start around 250€

From the link I posted, the original Hyundai part number is 563002L700 - I'll try and check it against my own car when I get home, but I didn't find any other parts with the same part number on that same website (avk.fi). Where have you seen these Kia Ceed power steering pumps? If they have the same part number on the label, as well as the same Hyundai/Kia logos, then I'd venture a guess that they're the same part.

Dazzler · **Reply #72: February 23, 2015, 11:55:50**

Thanks for clarifying that. Bit of a lottery (but you could be on a winner)

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #73: February 23, 2015, 12:32:45**

Quote from: Dazzler on February 23, 2015, 11:55:50

Bit of a lottery (but you could be on a winner)

sundiz · **Reply #74: February 23, 2015, 15:19:17**

Quote from: Fi30cw2009 on February 23, 2015, 09:58:54

Quote from: sundiz on February 21, 2015, 17:00:26
Prices of the 2nd hand Ceed power steering pumps start around 250€

From the link I posted, the original Hyundai part number is 563002L700 - I'll try and check it against my own car when I get home, but I didn't find any other parts with the same part number on that same website (avk.fi). Where have you seen these Kia Ceed power steering pumps? If they have the same part number on the label, as well as the same Hyundai/Kia logos, then I'd venture a guess that they're the same part.

Ohjaustehostin pumppu Kia Ceed 1.6 16V CRDi 5/HB (#411892) - Autopurkaamot.com - varaosan tiedot:,897,22,313&sivu=

The part number seems to be 563001H100 with Kia. So the last numbers differ. Impossible to say what those last numbers and letters mean. Much more safer to get one with exact same number as yours. I think the 450€ version is much more reasonable solution than the +2000€ part from the dealer...

I wouldn't be worried about that the part is from crashed car. The pump itself is located inside the cabin, so small damage in the front should not be a problem.

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #75: February 23, 2015, 15:21:35**

So I went and had a poke and prod in the car, but I can't find any good angle to check the label on the existing pump. Anybody got ideas about its orientation or how I can see the stickers (preferably without dismantling the dashboard)? It would be nice to totally confirm the part numbers before proceeding.

That said, I did find a barcode sticker with Daewoo's name on it, so I guess that Daewoo, Hyundai, Kia and others share a lot of parts.

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #76: February 24, 2015, 07:59:32**

Quote from: Fi30cw2009 on February 23, 2015, 07:02:48

I dunno about that, but I found one from a 2010 i30 1.4 for 450€ (plus shipping, since it's located somewhere a few hundred kilometers away) . I just want to confirm, to the best of your knowledge, will this be parts-compatible with my 2009 i30cw 1.6?

Well, I think I answered my own question. I searched for the part number, and I find it on 2008, 2009 and 2010 model i30s (for example, this Swedish site lists the same part number from all three years of vehicle:

Bildelsbasen.se - Sveriges största utbud av bildelar) so I'm 99.5% confident that it's the right one. I'm going to order it, and book a time with a mechanic to get the part changed over. Frankly, I'll just be happy when it's all done and I can start to use my poor neglected car again!

Dazzler · **Reply #77: February 24, 2015, 09:19:20**

Got everything crossed for you..

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #78: February 25, 2015, 12:21:00**

So the part has arrived (somewhere, at some depot where I have to collect it and pay COD because the payment system wasn't working on the website of the place I got it from) and I made a garage appointment for Monday morning to get it replaced. Hopefully I'll have a working car again on Monday afternoon - only three weeks after my problem started!

eye30 · **Reply #79: February 25, 2015, 12:41:56**

Fingers crossed all goes well for you....

Asterix · **Reply #80: February 25, 2015, 19:52:58**

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #81: March 02, 2015, 15:10:36**

And so the deed is done. 300 euros for labour, meaning the total cost has dropped from the original estimate of around 2700 euros, to a delightfully manageable 865 euros. Phew! The drive back from the garage felt like I was in a whole new car (probably heightened by the fact that I've been borrowing the in-laws' auto transmission Volvo for the past few weeks). Let's just see if it all holds together now!

Wingerdave · **Reply #82: March 02, 2015, 16:28:33**

Well done, you're one lucky ba%#$rd. Thats a fantastisc score and a very interesting price.

Hope all stays well.

sundiz · **Reply #83: March 02, 2015, 17:45:03**

I'm glad to hear the problem is fixed. Let's hope it stays this way. I believe 300€ for labour is fair price. I would believe that removing and reassembly of the pump will take several hours. At least you got the job done with much more reasonable price than the dealer suggested.

Were there any signs in the broken part that what was actually broken? Mechanical wear? Burned electronics?

Fi30cw2009 · **Reply #84: March 02, 2015, 18:01:37**

Quote from: sundiz on March 02, 2015, 17:45:03

I'm glad to hear the problem is fixed. Let's hope it stays this way. I believe 300€ for labour is fair price. I would believe that removing and reassembly of the pump will take several hours. At least you got the job done with much more reasonable price than the dealer suggested.

Were there any signs in the broken part that what was actually broken? Mechanical wear? Burned electronics?

Well, I dropped the car off in the morning at 7:30, and they messaged me around 12:30 that it was ready to be picked up, so that's less than five hours. I'm guessing something like 100 euros an hour, but the bill isn't itemised for that.

Regarding the part itself, I'm not sure because I had to rush away elsewhere, but I still have the old part in the back of the car. It was fairly grimy and a bit rusty. If you're interested in looking at it in more detail, you're welcome to stop by and pick it up

sundiz · **Reply #85: March 03, 2015, 16:58:39**

Finnish branch of i30ownersclub had a meeting today. In other words I met Fi30cw2009 on a parking lot in a freezing rain

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He was very kind and gave the old broken power steering assembly to me for closer inspection. I'll try to find out what actually broke or caused the malfunction (and is it possible to fix it). It has some mild rust on the surface, but should be OK. Moving and sliding surfaces seem to be fairly clean and lubricated. At first look the mechanical structure is pretty solid. Lots of screws to open...

I got to go pick my tools from the garage tomorrow and disasseble this unit properly. I'll guess I try opening it tomorrow. Or at least in the weekend.

The patient:

Asterix · **Reply #86: March 03, 2015, 19:54:38**

Quote from: sundiz on March 03, 2015, 16:58:39

Finnish branch of i30ownersclub had a meeting today. In other words I met Fi30cw2009 on a parking lot in a freezing rain .

He was very kind and gave the old broken power steering assembly to me for closer inspection. I'll try to find out what actually broke or caused the malfunction (and is it possible to fix it). It has some mild rust on the surface, but should be OK. Moving and sliding surfaces seem to be fairly clean and lubricated. At first look the mechanical structure is pretty solid. Lots of screws to open...

I got to go pick my tools from the garage tomorrow and disasseble this unit properly. I'll guess I try opening it tomorrow. Or at least in the weekend.

The patient:

Dazzler · **Reply #87: March 03, 2015, 20:20:49**

Look forward to further info!

Surferdude · **Reply #88: March 03, 2015, 21:07:36**

Top job all round.

Hornet · **Reply #89: March 03, 2015, 21:19:02**

It will be interesting to see what is found during the postmortem by sundiz. If the faulty item is recoverable it should lead to considerable savings for members should they encounter the same problem. I am looking forward to the next post by sundiz.

Great result