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FUEL ISSUES & ECONOMY => DIESEL => Topic started by: Lakes on May 01, 2013, 21:09:03
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well thought i'd post, have used Chem Tec diesel additive before in first i30 CRDi that I owned, mostly to stop Algea growth. it claims improved economy, & increased power but I did not notice. but if your injectors were carboned up & not clean & his cleaned them it would give you a power increase & economy increase. but adding to a motor that already performs as new won't make it go faster. but will keep it performing & I got the large container with built in measurer & its Australian Product $33 not cheap but a one tank bottle of some other brand additive cost about $10 so $33 is cheap as last bottle lasted me about two years 80,000k
thought i'd mention. this
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I wonder how this stuff compares with what Phil has got/used (Or is it the same?)
I think Phil pays $70 for a big container?
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I have used this product from the first fillup with my i30. The recommended dosage rate is 1ml of additive per 1 litre of diesel fuel. I also add the same amount of 2-stroke oil per litre of diesel fuel....but that's another story.
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I wonder how this stuff compares with what Phil has got/used (Or is it the same?)
I think Phil pays $70 for a big container?
Expensive, but treats 4k lts of Diesel, our cars are on their 2nd dose.
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Hi Phil,
What is this product called?
Cheers,
Paolo
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Its called Fuelmaster ex NSW.
Here is the info I have put up for it.
http://sdrv.ms/161JV1u (http://sdrv.ms/161JV1u)
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Thanks Phil. It sounds very good. Have you noticed that your engines run any smoother/differently since adding this product? Where is it sold?
Cheers,
Paolo
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Too early to say, my main objective is to insure against diesel bug, which is a random chance at any time and the elimination of any water in the tank, permanently.
Aren't the contact details in the presentation.
Here is the email address
David@fuelmaster.net.au
Please mention Phil from the i30 club if you're buying because I'm trying to set up a price reduction for forum members.
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Aren't the contact details in the presentation.
Yeah....saw that but thought that it might be retailed at Repco, Supercheap or another one of those...might e-mail David.
Many thanks,
Paolo
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Do that :exclaim:
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I have used this product from the first fillup with my i30. The recommended dosage rate is 1ml of additive per 1 litre of diesel fuel. I also add the same amount of 2-stroke oil per litre of diesel fuel....but that's another story.
Redline have an additive that probably does same as the 2 stroke oil, I think your probably trying to lubricate fuel pump & injectors, but as I don't know enough about the electronic injectors or the fuel pump seals used. i'm just careful but any lubrication would be good. if I do that it will only be with the redline product ( expencive but all there products work, I've had first hand experience ) redline make a product to lubricate diesel fuel pumps just I was to ask the redline rep if its suitable for the injectors that the common rail use.
with diesels fuel is everything, look after the fuel pump & injectors ( most important of all is change fuel filter 30,000k, as dirt causes wear ) clean fuel an the right lubrication & I would expect the motor to outlast the trans & clutch, I've seen small common rail diesels do 600,000k still going others 500,000 and it's ther injectors that will be first thing to go. I think that diesel valve seats will outlast petrol valve seat by a long long way. as unlead fuel very hard on valve seats even the new hardened valves seats, as I've inspected a lot of them. but in most cases the owner of a petrol car would not know, just the performance would gradualy be effected but with diesel they seem to just go better as they do more K's or miles. this is one reason. I think.
but not sure if they improve economy with age, as when my car performs better I like to drive it & feel how well it runs so that's not going to help economy LOL still the beauty with the diesel i30 CRDi for me (in Australia ) is you can drive it how you like ( with in the law ) & still get good economy. I think they are just a good balance of the right size motor ( not too big not to small ) right weight a good balance of gearing for the speeds in this country. so for me they work fine.
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just thought i'd add my thoughts, with these additives, they could be good, just some of the claims, I just wait and see. it's like the vitamin industry. if you eat the correct diet you get them naturally anyway. my friend takes these expecive tablets that stop ageing :rofl:. I told hi it's too late should have got onto them when you were 18 :rofl:
the reason i'm using the chem tec is with my move down the coast I expect to not be using as much fuel , so fuel will be in the tank longer this can increase the risk of Algea growth. what Phil has could be even better, also small sleepy little town not sure on quality of diesel yet but my friend has a diesel and has lived in area 30 years but I doubt he worrys about these things at all just has not had trouble so will just use same fuell as he does.
cheers
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the reason i'm using the chem tec is with my move down the coast I expect to not be using as much fuel , so fuel will be in the tank longer this can increase the risk of Algea growth. what Phil has could be even better, also small sleepy little town not sure on quality of diesel yet but my friend has a diesel and has lived in area 30 years but I doubt he worrys about these things at all just has not had trouble so will just use same fuell as he does.
cheers
Hi Lakes,
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one. Most of my driving time is now in a Getz. When I DO need diesel in the i30, I now only ever put 30 litres in the tank. I don't like the thought of the fuel being in there perhaps too long. And trust me....I am NOT complaining about the i30's fantastic L/100km figures here!
All the best,
Paolo
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Hi Phil,
David from Fuelmaster returned my e-mail enquiry. He offered no discount for an i30 member but gave the location of a stockist close to me.
I bought a bottle today and added a double dose of 30ml for a filled tank. Can't hurt. Thanks for the heads-up..
Cheers,
Paolo
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That would be great if, it does indeed eliminate water, as in winter months condensation in storage tank could put small amounts of water in the fuel also condensation in fuel tank. but if you covered your car in blankets & cloth it would help stop that.
just I'd still like to know how this could possible remove water from your tank? like some fuel & chemicals can mix with water but that does not eliminate it. with a petrol you can get away with it, using something that mix's with water. But with a diesel you can't as water does not compress so if you get enough water in the chamber on a high compression motor it will Hydraulic the motor. this can mean anything, I've seen Hydraulicing cause only a ripple in the cylinder wall, but if you get enough water in there when motor compress's it could break a rod or bend one plus a lot of other things like bent crank. guy I know got water in fuel at a BP Truck stop that you would expect to have good fuel he owned the truck so was harder it blew his motor. but with some kicking & squeeling they payed just was hard for him when it happened as you don't go at all with a blown motor.
still this product looks to be aimed more at large equipment diesel motors that cost two or three times what a new i30 costs & just for the motor like $60,000 up just to rebuild one of those motors. & the people that make these products are normally industrial chemists.
I hope they are ok to use with CRDi diesels? & yet again I ask how does the product stop water in diesel or eliminate water from a diesel fuel tank?
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I agree with your hydraulicing statements Lakes, but the water in Diesel fuel, is slightly different.
Water in fuel is an inevitable circumstance, it has to be. Yes you can get it from the bowser tanks, but just simple driving causes a lowering of fuel in the tank. This volume,, has to be replaced by allowing air into the tank to stop a vacuum occurring and in that air, there is always some water vapour. On a cold night, it will condense and flow under your diesel and there it sits, unable to evaporate, doing damage, if enough collects, it will travel to your filter sensor and you will be warned.
The process for dealing with water in the additive is a trade secret, so we're not going to be told how it works. There are two considerations here.
- Lubrication.
The fuel pump and injectors are lubricated by the diesel, it is oil after all, what happens as the water is passed through this equipment. I have to trust the company statement on this issue, they say it is processed safely, the alternative is to do nothing and that is unacceptable to me.
- Combustion.
The problem is not hydraulicing, it is the lower vaporisation point of water. Our member Kom, has provided pics of blown injectors, due to water turning to steam, in the injector itself. In crdi injector pressures inside reach 22k psi :Shocked:
My theory on the fuel additive is that if it can remove water safely and deal with further water each tank by a tiny addition of a product, I will. It's a lot cheaper than engine repairs. No water means no tank rust, no engine damage and no possibility of Diesel bug.
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Hi Phil,
David from Fuelmaster returned my e-mail enquiry. He offered no discount for an i30 member but gave the location of a stockist close to me.
I bought a bottle today and added a double dose of 30ml for a filled tank. Can't hurt. Thanks for the heads-up..
Cheers,
Paolo
Thanks for mentioning. :goodjob2:
Discount is only offered by buying 12 bottles minimum, which I can't afford. I was going to set this up, but the postage would eliminate any price advantage. Thanks for mentioning, because I would like him to be aware that we know of his product. If I were him, I'd be represented here promoting the product openly, within the forum rules boundaries and offering a general club discount. It seems I do more promoting, than he does. :Dunno:
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Phil I read it all & its all claim no real proof. & it says it does not eliminate water, it combines water to mix with fuel but, this fact just tell's me this guy is an Industrial Chemist not an Engineer as combining water into the fuel just to eliminate the bug or Algae. but what it can't do is. make water Compress that is the true reason you don't want water in Diesel. so you still have water in your fuel just it is mixed into the fuel BUT the fact is it still will NOT compress. you can get away with that in a petrol motor NOT a Diesel motor you just use metho to get water to burn as it mixes with it.
i'll just use this stuff I have & change my genuine Hy fuel filter @ 30k & if water in fuel light comes on i'll just keep replacing the fuel filter till it stops & rely on my Hy 5 year warranty ( still have three to go ) .
but you have it so use it & i'll just use this stuff I have I used it with first Hy & sold it at close to 100k & guy who bought it was paranoid, so I told him if you have a problem with it mate just send me an SMS you have my number & have not had an SMS from him two years on.
cheers mate
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I agree, nothing could eliminate water unless it was chemically converted back to hydrogen / oxygen gas (which is highly explosive).
Water, brake fluid, hydraulic oil used in rams and Diesel oil, they all compress minutely, but are termed "incompressable", because it is so minute.
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Hi Again Phil here is another product, I don't know anyone personally that uses it.
but I use Redline engine oil in my motorcycles & I've looked in the motors & it works I won't use any other oil in my Motor Cycle as very high performance build & high compression ( 230 pound cranking pressure ) plus it's an air cooled motor so the oil is very important. this oil costs a bit of coin too :faint:, I also use there Heavy Shock proof gear oil its the best makes gear shifts that smooth .would use the MTL in my gearbox but its working fine now. i'd say this diesel product would cost an arm and both legs so have not even priced it but i'm sure it is good as everything from this company I've used is the best I've tried in 47 years of trying :rofl:
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=31 (http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=31)
cheers
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There have been additives for fuels around for years. I always used Redex added in the petrol in my cars. It acted as an upper cylinder lubricant, and I always felt the car ran better, but it could just be auto suggestion too. Glad you're happy with the oil, testimony from actual users, is the best form of advertising. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how good the Diesel additives are. My bottle treats 4k litres, so I'll be in a nursing home :scared: before it's used up, although it is used in both cars.
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Phil I used that Redex years ago too, but I used to put too much in and it would make a 4 stroke look like a two stroke ( blow smoke ) so stopped using it never ever at that time looked in the motor to check it indeed worked, just my Dad told me it was good and lubricated top end he used to look in the old motors he used it in. he also drove & old Pug with his Father in the round Australia Redex trials. the Old Gelignite Jack Murray was the most Famous.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2919336 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2919336)
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I read a book about Gelignite Jack, he rolled his car in a rally, another car coming through stops to ask if he needs help, he says " Yeah, got a spanner in your kit, I might as well do the brakes, while they're easy to get at." A very humorous book.
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I read a book about Gelignite Jack, he rolled his car in a rally, another car coming through stops to ask if he needs help, he says " Yeah, got a spanner in your kit, I might as well do the brakes, while they're easy to get at." A very humorous book.
Classic.. Like when Lex Davidson crashed into the Pub in Longford during a race and asked for a beer :goodjob:
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If any of you guys and girls are getting your cars serviced by Hyundai-proper then you would get the bottle of treatment put in every time you get it serviced. I see it on my bill every time. ??
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And what happens when that fuel is gone. :question:
The treatment is predominantly for cleaning injectors, not for keeping water & Diesel bug out of fuel tanks. I presume the "treatment" is added to petrol vehicles too.
Here is some interesting info on additives.
https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=7087.msg84802#msg84802 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=7087.msg84802#msg84802)
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at work we use a product called ad blue in all the trucks,its almost the same price per litre as the diesel it treats. :faint:
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What claims does this product make. :question:
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I'm not sure Phil,its recommended by the truck manufacturer. :undecided:
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Here's a link for it, whatever it is.
http://www.shell.com.au/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/adblue.html?gclid=CP2q15Dx_rYCFUVZpQodxQYAww (http://www.shell.com.au/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/adblue.html?gclid=CP2q15Dx_rYCFUVZpQodxQYAww)
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If any of you guys and girls are getting your cars serviced by Hyundai-proper then you would get the bottle of treatment put in every time you get it serviced. I see it on my bill every time. ??
It's not just Hyundai that do that every car dealer that services have additives programed into the bill. I typed out a list of what I wanted them to do and what I did NOT want them to do. one thing I told them NOT to do was. do not add fuel or oil additives. when I go to pay there is an additive for fuel in the bill. the guy say's don't worry we did not add it, it is just put into the bill auto. I said the reason I did not want additives is I'm not paying for them. so remove that from my bill before I pay. they were going to charge me for something they did not use. what a rip off. all dealers do that no matter what make of car.
it's just like going to Mc Crap & they try to sell you soft drink & chip's even if you only want a burger. American idea to rip you off for more . I don't like things like that but you free to refuse them & refuse to pay the extra
if everyone just pays without question they just keep doing it.
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Thanks John,
Very good point and they would pass on the full retail cost not the low wholesale cost they pay :whistler:
If you wanted to put in an additive, no doubt you would shop around for one of your own choice at a good price!
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With both my previous FD and my new GD cars the dealer never put any fuel additive in and certainly didn't charge me for any.
It must be an Aussie thing.
To be perfectly honest I have never used fuel additives in any of my diesels. I don't use supermarket fuel and buy all my fuel from Esso, Shell or BP service stations. I would only use a fuel additive if Hyundai specified it as a requirement
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Well I must have my 5 bobs worth here.
Years ago when I owned a Toyo Diesel Cruiser 1986 vintage with 12HT motor, I fueled up out western Queensland after floods and experienced for the first time this fuel contamination. Fortunately it did not get to the pump or injectors as I had 3 filters on the fuel path but I did have to remove the fuel tank, replace all filters and flush the fuel lines. Not wanting this to happen again I started to inquire about a product that would prevent this and it was then that I first heard about and used Chem Tec. The Cruiser then gave me good service for 450,000 K without needing any pump or injector service and no contaminated fuel. When I sold the vehicle it was still "purring" like my little i30 CRDI. I think the cost of Chem Tec from Super Cheap was money well spent.
If you look here you will see that, from near new, I had problems with fuel in my i30 but this was fixed by the use of Hyundai Injector Cleaner.
https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=21396.0 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=21396.0)
After my i30 fuel problem had been rectified I asked the dealer if using Chem Tec would void the warranty. The reply was that Chem Tec was not an approved additive and should Hyundai find traces of Chem Tec in the tank following any future fuel problems the warranty would not apply. Regrettably this stops me using the additive until after the warranty expires in 2016. I was told Hy demands a fuel sample for analysis if there are major warranty claims for injector or pump failure.
Before I used this "TOP" product in my Cruiser I ascertained from friends that the ADF use the product, as an additive, in diesel powered ships, machines and vehicles. One particular friend who is an engineer, who served on patrol boats and other type, said they would never have arrived home from Asian ports without Chem Tec as the diesel fuel in most Asian ports is loaded with this fungi. Another friend who served many, many years in RAEME workshops also confirmed the worthwhile use of Chem Tec in ADF (Army) diesel powered units. This product was also recommended by the local RACQ service provider. By my experience all their comment is proven correct.
It is sad that I am now prevented from using this additive that will do no harm to my i30, would help avoid fungi contamination, absorb or somehow eliminate small quantities of H2O caused by condensation and make it a better vehicle when or if I trade it on a new i30 prior to 2016 (end of warranty)
I hope my experience mentioned here will assist other i30 owners
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Although this comes from Hyundai India, you may still find it of interest in regard to fuel additives, Hornet....
http://www.customercare.hyundai.co.in/subindex_Additives-24.aspx (http://www.customercare.hyundai.co.in/subindex_Additives-24.aspx)
It may be worth printing off a copy and presenting it to your Hyundai dealer and then ask him again about using fuel additives in your i30... :lol:
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Thanks Rusty,
I will do as you say and talk to the dealer. Pity it does not mention regular use of an additive like Chem Tec which is used every fill at the rate of 1ml per litre. I would love to use this additive but not at the risk of terminating the warranty for the fuel system particularly when I had problems when it had done under 5,000 k .
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hey Hornet good post. was that told to you buy a dealer or by Hyundai?
if they tell me that a good aussie product is not good enough, i'll just tell them the car is going & no more Hy's for me as I try to support aussie companys. i'll be checking with the dealer soon. let you know what they say.
just wondering what I could replace her with?
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The new Honda Civic diesel looks interesting, John... :whistler:
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Well will ask dealer, as i'm going to a Hy dealer now i'm moving, my mate got a new i30 CRDi there & i liked the set up they showed me workshop & the service price was not too bad so next service will ask. not doing as many k's now Rusty so not going for a new one prob just keep this till its about 4 year's then see whats there & what i want i ride the MC a lot now too & pushy. but not worried about Chem Tech as all those happy diesel CRDi owners i know with high k's up can't be wrong & its not Hy who make the injectors i think its Bosch and a lot of the guys i know with 500,000k plus on 4 cylinder CRDi's there motors use Bosch too. so think it's Bosch that would be the ones that dictate what tests to be carried out if injectors fail as Hy would just claim injectors from them.
but i'm not saying this is true, it's just business logic.
cheers
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:goodjob:
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Sorry about the delay advising all about this issue. It was the Dealer who said the use of the product could have the effect of voiding my warranty. When I again asked it was said this was a possibility. I think I will contact Hyundai as I would like to use ChemTec. I have also ascertained that STP is full of zinc and this may not be compatible with the synthetic oil we use. Until I have been advised that ChemTec is OK I will not be using it. So far as STP is concerned I think it is a no goer with modern oils but I am not sure.
I think Hy should approve ChemTec for use in Oz in our diesel engines as conditions here (heat and humidity) promote the growth of the diesel algae.
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Email I sent to Hyundai this morning
"Will the use of the fuel additive ChemTec void my warranty on my CRDI i30. This product has been used (in Toyota diesel cars) be me in the past and I have found it to be very good. It prevents the growth of the diesel algae as well as assisting to keep the injectors clean. In the hot and humid climate we experience in tropical Queensland I think this additive is essential. I am aware the product is also used by the ADF (Navy and Army) in their diesel powered assets."
I will post any reply I receive.
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Thanks Hornet :goodjob:
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Here's a link for it, whatever it is.
http://www.shell.com.au/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/adblue.html?gclid=CP2q15Dx_rYCFUVZpQodxQYAww (http://www.shell.com.au/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/adblue.html?gclid=CP2q15Dx_rYCFUVZpQodxQYAww)
For crying out loud, guys whatever you add to your fuel tank make sure it is NOT Adblue.
That stuff is for exhaust gases emissions after treatment (SCR or Selective Catalytic Reduction) and it is injected in to the exhaust pipe just ahead of special catalyst where it reacts with exhaust fumes and produces nitrogen and water.
When mixed with Diesel fuel it will ruin the fuel system.
Just in case you are wondering what it is, its Urea solution, basically fertilizer originally Adblue is a trade name. In the US its know as DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) and soon Diesel cars will need it too (some already do, VW, BMW, MB)
Basically EURO 6 cars will require all emission tech to pass like EGR, SCR (Adblue), DOC and DPF.
I use ChemTec in my Nissan 4WD and noticeable symptom is fuel consumption about a liter less when I put it in the tank.
I haven't found the courage to use in CrD i30 yet.
Cheers
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Absolutely correct, rumcajs. The link was provided so that someone would comment on what it's for.
Do not mix this product (Ad Blue) with your fuel, ever
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Well I must have my 5 bobs worth here.
Years ago when I owned a Toyo Diesel Cruiser 1986 vintage with 12HT motor, I fueled up out western Queensland after floods and experienced for the first time this fuel contamination. Fortunately it did not get to the pump or injectors as I had 3 filters on the fuel path but I did have to remove the fuel tank, replace all filters and flush the fuel lines. Not wanting this to happen again I started to inquire about a product that would prevent this and it was then that I first heard about and used Chem Tec. The Cruiser then gave me good service for 450,000 K without needing any pump or injector service and no contaminated fuel. When I sold the vehicle it was still "purring" like my little i30 CRDI. I think the cost of Chem Tec from Super Cheap was money well spent.
If you look here you will see that, from near new, I had problems with fuel in my i30 but this was fixed by the use of Hyundai Injector Cleaner.
https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=21396.0 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=21396.0)
After my i30 fuel problem had been rectified I asked the dealer if using Chem Tec would void the warranty. The reply was that Chem Tec was not an approved additive and should Hyundai find traces of Chem Tec in the tank following any future fuel problems the warranty would not apply. Regrettably this stops me using the additive until after the warranty expires in 2016. I was told Hy demands a fuel sample for analysis if there are major warranty claims for injector or pump failure.
Before I used this "TOP" product in my Cruiser I ascertained from friends that the ADF use the product, as an additive, in diesel powered ships, machines and vehicles. One particular friend who is an engineer, who served on patrol boats and other type, said they would never have arrived home from Asian ports without Chem Tec as the diesel fuel in most Asian ports is loaded with this fungi. Another friend who served many, many years in RAEME workshops also confirmed the worthwhile use of Chem Tec in ADF (Army) diesel powered units. This product was also recommended by the local RACQ service provider. By my experience all their comment is proven correct.
It is sad that I am now prevented from using this additive that will do no harm to my i30, would help avoid fungi contamination, absorb or somehow eliminate small quantities of H2O caused by condensation and make it a better vehicle when or if I trade it on a new i30 prior to 2016 (end of warranty)
I hope my experience mentioned here will assist other i30 owners
Hi again Hornet, just read your first post (link ) & have to thank you for that. When I used chem tech on my first 08 CRDi i30 it was not on every tank it was just once in a blue moon & the chem tech container lasted the 97k before I sold it it was still runing perfect (just as I hit a big roo out west unfortunately u know the rest )
But I can argue with a diesel expert & know the importance of the fuel pump & the high pressure injectors ( I also wonder how long the injector springs will last runing at these high pressures ) so I'll stop using the chem tech now. What about fuell, will the ultimate diesel fuel effect the pump's life span too & what brand of fuel does the dealer & your friend advice?
I've had to drive two petrol cars one was a Toyota 2.7 petrol manual , the other a hy i45 auto both towing same trailer (no tow bar on my 2011 CRDi 6 speed ) & I miss my i30 CRDi heaps these other two use more fuel & I seem to be living in my wallet stopping to fill up, also they both get killed on big hill's towing the trailer. The same trip my 08 CRDi towing a trailer would go down & back on same tank & up the hills holding its speed on cruise control. The toyota needed to stop to refill even b4 destination both down & back & it flew on a flat but the big hills killed it. The i45 good on the flat but a few hills in cut cruise off as could not hold speed and needs a refill to go home, my dad who owns it said it would go 750k to the tank but towing the trailer ithasonly gone half that distance & gauge reading a quarter left. On a full tank no trailer my i30 does the trip quicker than the toy or the i45 by 30 min's& goes up & back then for two weeks commuting in Sydney b4 needing a refill.so would be very hard for e to find a replacement at this $ to replace my baby.
Love that ugly little car!
Cheers
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Lakes thanks 4 your reply. I am not looking for increased performance or fuel consumption by using ChemTec but if this should occur that is great. I am looking to overcome my fear of the Diesel Bug and as a side to keep the fuel system clean.
I have asked Hy in an email for their advice on the use of this product and will post the reply when I receive it. (soon I hope)
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Just got this reply from Hyundai
"Regarding the use of fuel additive ChemTec in your Hyundai, this will not void your warranty. However should your vehicle experience any issues caused by the use of this product or should ChemTec cause any damage to your vehicle the costs associated to repair your vehicle would be classed as a retail repair.
The new car warranty provided by Hyundai Motor Company Australia covers manufacturing defects only."
Interesting comment from Hy
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Thanks for sharing hornet :goodjob: (seems logical and fair) :cool:
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Just got this reply from Hyundai
"Regarding the use of fuel additive ChemTec in your Hyundai, this will not void your warranty. However should your vehicle experience any issues caused by the use of this product or should ChemTec cause any damage to your vehicle the costs associated to repair your vehicle would be classed as a retail repair.
The new car warranty provided by Hyundai Motor Company Australia covers manufacturing defects only."
Interesting comment from Hy
Thank's for that Hornet, i think that's about all any car maker warranty covers.
but they can't guarantee against diesel bug eather.
since reading your tip on what your diesel tech friend told you, i'm not putting any Chem Tech or any other diesel additive in. but the dealer i had service at used an additive .
so i have Chem Tech but won't be using it.
car runing sweet.
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Lakes, I am glad you are now better informed. I also believe Hyundai's reply was fair. Like you I will not be using ChemTec or any other additive in my i30 until it is out of warranty. I now only fill up at high turnover servos (sadly Woolworths) that have Caltex Vortex fuel as I am told this contains an additive to kill the diesel bug. I am not sure that this is factual so I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Pity there is not a primary filter in the line between the tank and the main filter that could be checked at every service. Something like the one on my old Toyo Cruiser that was in the fuel line under the drivers door. The filter served as a water trap and primary filter that could be drained and inspected at each service interval (No parts or replacement filter required) It was this filter that saved me $hundredsthousands when I encountered the "Bug" some time ago. If I keep this i30 after the 5 year warranty period I will fit another filter similar to the Toyo one, use ChemTec, then not worry about the "Diesel Bug"
And mine also is running like a dream, it's a great car
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Hornet, i think you should ask your diesel tech davy service guy about the vortex fuel. as seems, like it keeps injectors clean like most additives do & that means it could possibly wear fuel pump seals too. all i use is BP as guarantee there fuels. i also like the products Redline manufacture as i use them in my MC's & have pulled motors apart & looked inside a few times since runing Redline. they make a product for diesel fuel to lubricate fuel pump seals. just i've never used it , probably should as plan to keep this i30 CRDi till it drops dead i figer you can't loose that way.
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Lakes I thank you for your advice. Prior to my problems here https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=17620.0 I was using BP only. Since changing to Caltex Vortex I have had no problems. Admittedly the fuel may not have been the problem but the little 1.6l motor, now up to 32,000k is running like clockwork on Caltex so I am reluctant to change. Perhaps I should contact Caltex and ask about their additives in Vortex.
Your plan to run your i30 till it drops is good economic reasoning. I wonder what the little beasts will be good for? Would I be wrong in suggesting somewhere between 300,000 to 400,000k if they are well maintained ?
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Lakes I thank you for your advice. Prior to my problems here https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=17620.0 I was using BP only. Since changing to Caltex Vortex I have had no problems. Admittedly the fuel may not have been the problem but the little 1.6l motor, now up to 32,000k is running like clockwork on Caltex so I am reluctant to change. Perhaps I should contact Caltex and ask about their additives in Vortex.
Your plan to run your i30 till it drops is good economic reasoning. I wonder what the little beasts will be good for? Would I be wrong in suggesting somewhere between 300,000 to 400,000k if they are well maintained ?
Hornet i ran caltex only on my first i30 CRDi & it loved it always ran better on it, but my new ( two year old ) i30 CRDi FD 6 speed manual is not as fussy it runs good on the BP this one has the U2 motor & my dealer that service my car last month said its same motor & gear box as the new GD model.
well as to how long it will last your guess is as good as mine, but first thing that will go will be rather the fuel pump or the injectors i'd say. i know one guy with a MB sprinter Van 2.2 CRDi manual 650,000k still going on original injectors & fuel pump also original clutch & gear box he is a very good driver. just uses shell oil runs on Mobile Diesel as said thats cheapest he can get not sure if he uses any injection cleaner i think he once said he has used Wynnes diesel additive but not often as he is cheap.
but that van smelt fumey but hey it was still runing.
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Just to bump an old thread..
Before I bought my diesel i30, I had a diesel accent for 2 years and I got diesel Algae in the tank. The car was filled up every 2 weeks from the same servo, but of course they didn't want to know about it and I don't go there anymore. It cost me $300 to get the tank cleaned out and the car was never the same after, even when I recently traded it it was making a funny coo noise in the back.
I started using Chemtech after that, and it will always go into my i30. Happy to know Hyundai have said it's not banned :)
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thanks for your input ttc,
well a lot has happen since my last post & the closest BP for me now is too far out my way. but if i go to Sydney i get BP. if i don't it's Mobil . i have a full container of chem tech & if you were close you could have it.
i now go to a Hyundai Dealer in a country town as close. so they see a & sell a lot more diesel's. service manager put additive in to stop algae said was hyundai. it's on my records. also have all fuel dockets with outlet & date. i recommend you keep your's too. then if you have a problem, you have some type of record to show Hyundai let them sort it out as you have done all you possibly can.
i saw trucks that stood around & only saw a 500m trip each night inside yard, then a 40k trip once a month & 15 years old no diesel Algae issue, then i started to use the truck & found it was not serviced for 5 years, so boss booked it in. i also saw brand new vans go 30,000k before first oil change. not under my control, just mentioning this. & the van ran perfect for three years no problem. but was driven a lot of k's, so that can help.
also as i have posted in past a few guys i know have done some high k's on common rail 4 cal diesels , two of them did around same k's at one time, one guy used diesel additive & only BP diesel, the other never used an additive at all & used Mobil diesel, when asked reason he said that was the cheapest he could buy of the big brands. guy who used BP & an additive got to 500,000k trouble free, then injectors needed replacing. Guy who used nothing & ran on mobil diesel got to 800,000k plus on original injectors original clutch & manual gear box & drove in sydney CBD but when sold the Van last year it was ready for new injectors, buyer knew this but was happy to buy as van was in top condition never an accident 250,000k from rear tyres (double wheels ). the owner driver was a top operator!
just mentioning this but not claiming we can imitate this i think need to do lots of k's each day to do this, also be a good operator not a cowboy.
:)