Post by: wbm00 on March 05, 2015, 18:07:04
The only reason I took the CVT semi-automatic for a drive was because the manual wasn't available.
Auris Advantages over the i30
Felt more comfortable to drive.
Excellent insulation from road noise.
Icon spec has a high quality reversing camera. i30 (Active and above) only has sensors.
Climate control as standard.
6 speakers for audio (only 4 in the i30 equivalent spec)
i30 Advantages over the Auris
i30 has a space saver as standard. No spare wheel on the Auris, just a can of useless sealant.
Hyundai engine is almost silent at idle.
Cost saving over the Auris (approximately £1500)
What I don't like about Hyundai is multiple reports of poor customer service from dealers and worryingly from their central customer service department. It seems every warranty claim is a battle. Toyota on the other hand seem eager to keep customers happy.
Any thoughts would be welcome.
Post by: Shambles on March 05, 2015, 18:36:24
The Auris I test drove felt like a 3d printed toy car and I didn't like it one bit.
I'll concede the points about customer care though.
Post by: Wingerdave on March 05, 2015, 18:58:44
As for the cars themselves, I wouldn't touch a Toyoto with a barge pole (maybe an RPG). I agree with Shambles, not very inspiring and a design studio the makes Polski FIAT look like Pininfarina. Toyotas are just butt-ugly.
Also, automatics, and certainly ccvt's, are not as economical as manual boxes (here in Holland you pay more eco tax for automatics).
The i30 is a far beter choice with beter thought out option packages (the "hidden" camera is a case in point).
A few years ago you wouldn't have gotten me in a Hyundai with a crowbar, but recently they hav certainly upped the anti and put some really nice kit on the road. True, they have Some catching up to do with the competition, but i don't see Toyota as competitive.
So........ BUY AN i30 :victory:
Post by: Lorian on March 05, 2015, 19:10:58
Whilst there are some stories of poor customer service, you must remember that many members only come here when they have issues. Personally I've never needed to contact customer services in 5 years of ownership. The local dealer has done much free of charge warranty service items even in the last year of the warranty.
Contrary to WingerDave's view I think the new Auris looks quite nice, but perhaps a bit too feminine for me.
How happy are people on the Auris forum, do you have a feel?
Post by: Dazzler on March 05, 2015, 19:31:16
I have rented a couple of 1.8 Ltr 7 Speed Auto (CVT) Corollas (as the Auris is known as over her in Australia) Just happened to be what was available at the time. I don't think fuel economy will be an issue with the Toyota, even the 1.8 was extremely economical with the CVT and as you say, very smooth and quite zippy (reminds me of a Skoda Octavia TSi to drive)
On the negative side I found the Corolla seats to be a bit thin and hard on longer drives and I think the i30 has nicer styling in the hatch (the Sedan is more attractive than the hatch IMHO, but not sure if you get that version)
It appears you get a 5 year warranty on Toyotas in the UK (we only get 3 years over here) so that is a plus.
the i30 is generally very reliable and has more character than the Auris/Corolla (again IMHO) which explains why our members become so attached to them!
Post by: Wingerdave on March 05, 2015, 19:33:37
This is in a league of it's own, and not a Premier League.
I remember seeing the i30 for the first time in the showroom and thinking " :wtf: Where did that come from" i fell in love with the Kim Kardashian rear end, the spec level and the driving position.
But, and i'll be the first to admit it, that's my take on things :happydance:
Post by: Dazzler on March 05, 2015, 19:36:28
Post by: wbm00 on March 05, 2015, 19:40:47
I found that road noise reverberated in the i30, though I have just realised that the Toyota dealer took me on a route that was mostly recently laid tarmac whereas the Hyundai was on rural roads which were in poorer condition. I'll set aside the road noise concerns for now.
In truth, I would like to stick with a manual as I like the control that it brings. I liked the six-speed gearbox on the i30. Around Birmingham, however, it can get tiring constantly engaging neutral/first gear in traffic. Perhaps I'm just getting lazier. :snigger:
From Auto Trader it's clear that the Auris holds its value better than the Hyundai. Interesting to hear Dazzler say Toyota only offers a 3 year warranty down under. What I found odd about the Auris interior design was the random digital clock that looks like it's been glued onto the central console by a forgetful designer.
Lorian, did you have to point out the warranty items, or were they detected and reported to you by the dealer? Good suggestion to have a look at the Auris forum.
Post by: Lorian on March 05, 2015, 19:41:28
Post by: Lorian on March 05, 2015, 19:44:53
Lorian, did you have to point out the warranty items, or were they detected and reported to you by the dealer? Good suggestion to have a look at the Auris forum.
Both. I reported a noise, they replaced the flywheel and clutch when the car was 4 years and 10 months old to get rid of the noise for me, no arguing.
I booked the 5 year service 1 week before the warranty expired, and they said the condenser was leaking, no attempt to blame it on stone damage or anything, they booked it in the day before the warrant expired and replaced it.
I have no experience with Toyota, but compared to the issues I have with Peugeot its very good service.
I'm some way south of you so it would be a different dealer.
Post by: Wingerdave on March 05, 2015, 19:48:08
The i30 is starting to look like a very good choice :rofl:
Post by: Lorian on March 05, 2015, 19:57:23
:link: NEW TOYOTA AURIS (http://newsroom.toyota.eu/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=1BB9811CFDF209DC2F6DCCBB08D0B5B0?&id=4214&allImage=1&teaser=new-toyota-auris&mid=)
Post by: bumpkin on March 05, 2015, 22:36:25
Kia Cee'd, same mechanicals as the i30 and in my experience so far a MUCH improved experience at the service desk. Mine has a host of gizmos and toys if that is your bag and in my opinion the current Cee'd is a sportier looker than the i30.
Now don't take that the wrong way,I think the i30 is still a great car, just highlighting that there is another option, it is down to preference but if you feel more swayed by the i30 than the Auris, I would make sure by looking at the i30’s very close relative before committing to the purchase.
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 06, 2015, 09:37:48
I love my i30 but if we all liked the same things it would be a boring world.
I drove Dazz's hire care (Corolla) recently and within a kilometre had a sore back, so I wouldn't buy one.
I agree that Hyundai needs to lift its game with customer service and balance the costs associated with keeping consumers happy with the cost of repairs, etc.
Good luck. :)
Post by: Surferdude on March 06, 2015, 11:02:51
I have an i30 because it's great to drive and a little bit different.
But we've had 4 Corollas and they've been economical, reliable and comfortable. Even th one which gave me a back ache was driveable all day without any lasting problems.
Post by: Dazzler on March 06, 2015, 19:00:49
I don't have any problem with Corolla seating. I did in my wife's last one -about a 2005 model. Also ddidn't have a problem with Dazz's hire car up here.
I have an i30 because it's great to drive and a little bit different.
But we've had 4 Corollas and they've been economical, reliable and comfortable. Even th one which gave me a back ache was driveable all day without any lasting problems.
We are truly a unique forum! Not many other forums would be so open and even about a competing brand!
Mention on a Holden or Ford forum that you are considering the alternative brand and you would be drawn and quartered AND called horrible names!
out:That is the worst thing so far about buying a Holden and being a member of the Marcos Ambrose fan club (mainly Ford Fans) Way too many agro bogans!
Post by: Surferdude on March 07, 2015, 04:19:09
It comes from having supreme confidence in our main brand of choice. :goodjob2:
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 07, 2015, 12:32:56
Post by: wbm00 on March 08, 2015, 17:33:33
We are truly a unique forum! Not many other forums would be so open and even about a competing brand!
This is an excellent forum, I was a little hesitant to mention the Auris and only mention the i30. Your responses have been excellent. :goodjob:
On Friday I tried an i30 Active 1.4 Manual (18 months old). The ride quality was excellent compared with what I remember about the Classic spec.
The rear side windows of the i30 are very narrow and weren't great for shoulder checks on a busy roundabout and junction. The larger wing mirrors help a bit. I imagine this is something to get used to. I didn't find the rear parking sensors very useful, so may go back to looking at a Classic spec.
While in Hyundai I noticed the new i20 which has lodged itself in my mind... :snigger:
Post by: Lorian on March 08, 2015, 18:15:49
Post by: Dazzler on March 08, 2015, 19:40:39
While in Hyundai I noticed the new i20 which has lodged itself in my mind... :snigger:
The i20 sold in Australia is assembled in India and the feedback I have had from friends is that it not as well built and quite downmarket compared to the i30 (but a test drive wouldn't hurt) :goodjob:
Post by: wbm00 on March 08, 2015, 21:58:08
The i20 sold in Australia is assembled in India and the feedback I have had from friends is that it not as well built and quite downmarket compared to the i30 (but a test drive wouldn't hurt) :goodjob:
You're right, it looks like it's made in Chennai. i30 meanwhile is made in Europe (Czech).
A question to anyone with alloy wheels - where are the weights for wheel balancing mounted on your alloys?
I thought they should be stuck to the inside of alloys, but Hyundai seem to simply clip them onto the outside of the alloy which looks rubbish :undecided:
Post by: Lorian on March 08, 2015, 22:17:53
Post by: Surferdude on March 09, 2015, 00:07:25
But some wheels don't have a lip you can clip weights onto.
However, sticking them onto the wheel inside the lip DOES have an effect on the accuracy of the balance.
Post by: cruiserfied on March 09, 2015, 07:03:53
While in Hyundai I noticed the new i20 which has lodged itself in my mind... :snigger:
The i20 sold in Australia is assembled in India and the feedback I have had from friends is that it not as well built and quite downmarket compared to the i30 (but a test drive wouldn't hurt) :goodjob:
I'd like to see the new I20 in Australia. Our current is getting a little old compared to the rest of the line up me thinks (not including IX35 which is getting the new model soon)
Post by: CraigB on March 09, 2015, 07:37:09
A question to anyone with alloy wheels - where are the weights for wheel balancing mounted on your alloys?My weights are placed on the hub as pictured below, if Hyundai put clip on weights on the outside lip of my factory alloys I'd be asking them to replace the wheels as once you renew the tyres the weights will be replaced in a different spot leaving visible damage/scratches where the old weights had been :disapp:
I thought they should be stuck to the inside of alloys, but Hyundai seem to simply clip them onto the outside of the alloy which looks rubbish :undecided:
(http://i.imgur.com/EaM5M6K.jpg?1)
Post by: eye30 on March 09, 2015, 08:58:01
I doubt any of us would allow them to be put on the outside, certainly not in the UK anyway. Mine came balanced from the factory (nosovice in Czech Republic, built 5 years ago) with stick on weights on the inside, and I don't think many fitters would do anything other than do the same for a new set of tires, gone are the days when you had to ask for it especially.My factory provided wheels have weights clipped on the out side not inside stickons
Post by: Dazzler on March 09, 2015, 08:59:01
I doubt any of us would allow them to be put on the outside, certainly not in the UK anyway. Mine came balanced from the factory (nosovice in Czech Republic, built 5 years ago) with stick on weights on the inside, and I don't think many fitters would do anything other than do the same for a new set of tires, gone are the days when you had to ask for it especially.My factory provided wheels have weights clipped on the out side not inside stickons
Could you post a photo at some stage please Lester.
Post by: eye30 on March 09, 2015, 09:22:30
Post by: Lorian on March 09, 2015, 09:40:50
Post by: CraigB on March 09, 2015, 09:56:22
:faint: yuk!What's yuk :confused:
Post by: Lorian on March 09, 2015, 12:07:38
:faint: yuk!What's yuk :confused:
Clip on weights on the outside of the alloys.
Post by: bumpkin on March 09, 2015, 14:08:09
My Kia weights are stuck on the inner rim as per Craigs pic.
Post by: eye30 on March 11, 2015, 09:45:03
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/eye30/car/IMG_20150311_093318_zps7lo8burr.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/eye30/car/IMG_20150311_093257_zpswqirvnvx.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/eye30/car/IMG_20150311_093243_zpscbyuve3p.jpg)
Post by: Wingerdave on March 11, 2015, 10:11:40
If the wheels had a flatter edge/rim then they would have had to use the glued weight option on the inside of the wheel.
I hope i don't get those wheels :scared: , i'll certainly complain if i do
Post by: Dazzler on March 11, 2015, 10:22:17
Post by: Wingerdave on March 11, 2015, 10:46:01
A bit of this (or equivalent) wouldn't do any harm :snigger:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11503274/sonus-rim-bright.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on March 11, 2015, 11:22:53
Lester,
A bit of this (or equivalent) wouldn't do any harm :snigger:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11503274/sonus-rim-bright.jpg)
In Lester's defence he does a lot of miles (about 20 a week?) :whistler:
Mind you, the wheels on Trish's tourer which are similar get a lot of brake dust on them too (more than any other car I can remember - and I've had a lot!)
Post by: CraigB on March 11, 2015, 11:57:35
I don't think Lester has cleaned those wheels since purchasing the car :eek:Lester,
A bit of this (or equivalent) wouldn't do any harm :snigger:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11503274/sonus-rim-bright.jpg)
In Lester's defence he does a lot of miles (about 20 a week?) :whistler:
Post by: neptune on March 11, 2015, 12:25:59
I don't think Lester has cleaned those wheels since purchasing the car :eek:Lester,
A bit of this (or equivalent) wouldn't do any harm :snigger:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11503274/sonus-rim-bright.jpg)
In Lester's defence he does a lot of miles (about 20 a week?) :whistler:
you could be right there, Craig.....just look at the build up where the nuts are......
Post by: CraigB on March 11, 2015, 12:31:46
you could be right there, Craig.....just look at the build up where the nuts are......Yeah that's what I noticed also.
Post by: Wingerdave on March 11, 2015, 12:37:38
Mind you, the wheels on Trish's tourer which are similar get a lot of brake dust on them too (more than any other car I can remember - and I've had a lot!)
You've noticed that too.... Hmmm, interesting coz mine have that too. Never seen it that bad before either.
Post by: eye30 on March 11, 2015, 13:09:33
I don't think Lester has cleaned those wheels since purchasing the car :eek:Lester,
A bit of this (or equivalent) wouldn't do any harm :snigger:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11503274/sonus-rim-bright.jpg)
In Lester's defence he does a lot of miles (about 20 a week?) :whistler:
Being retired I don't have the time. :whistler: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: CraigB on March 11, 2015, 14:19:04
Encroaches on your drinking time does it :lol:I don't think Lester has cleaned those wheels since purchasing the car :eek:Being retired I don't have the time. :whistler: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: eye30 on March 11, 2015, 14:56:58
Encroaches on your drinking time does it :lol:I don't think Lester has cleaned those wheels since purchasing the car :eek:Being retired I don't have the time. :whistler: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Not half...
Chamois in one hand and Pint in another..... no way
Post by: CraigB on March 11, 2015, 15:01:06
Post by: cruiserfied on March 11, 2015, 20:43:47
Not half...
Chamois in one hand and Pint in another..... no way
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:whistler: :whistler: :goodjob2: :P
Post by: eye30 on March 12, 2015, 07:37:51
Post by: wbm00 on March 18, 2015, 20:55:31
I think I'm one of the only people in the world that thinks steel wheels + plastic covers are better.
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 18, 2015, 21:15:48
Why couldn't they have put a weight fixing rim on the inside of the wheel, or at least somewhere the weights wouldn't be seen? It's madness that they seem to have designed the wheel to take weights like that.
I think I'm one of the only people in the world that thinks steel wheels + plastic covers are better.
They have to put the weights in the spot that balances the wheel.
Steel rims are heavier than alloys and therefore any car with steel & wheel trim combination is at a weight disadvantage to an alloy wheel car.
I don't care where the weights go, as long as the wheel is balanced correctly.
Post by: Asterix on March 18, 2015, 21:20:22
Post by: Surferdude on March 18, 2015, 23:06:37
Sure you can have the good look but possibly at the cost of proper balance.
My after market wheels have no lip on the outside so need stick-ons, but because they are only 15" and only marginally wider than standard, it's not a big issue. The bigger the diameter and wider the rim, the bigger potential for error.
Post by: wbm00 on March 23, 2015, 17:10:34
I've dropped the idea of buying an Auris, I just can't ignore that feeling of love at first sight with the i30 :mrgreen:
Post by: eye30 on March 23, 2015, 18:26:23
You would have to find out if the warranty would still be valid for the remaining period and whether it would be classed as a business or private warranty.
Also, besides not knowing how it has been driven and whether it has damage.
You can see the body work but not the underneath.
If you did find one it will be worth paying for inspection by RAC or AA or independant motor inspector.
Post by: Surferdude on March 23, 2015, 20:28:27
Question: what do you folks think of buying ex-hire cars? A LOT of i30s are ex rentals from the big names. Under a year old with around 10k mileage.we boughtba Corolla ex hire car in Sydney in 2006. It was a year old and had less than 20k on the clock.
I've dropped the idea of buying an Auris, I just can't ignore that feeling of love at first sight with the i30 :mrgreen:
we traded it last year and it was in such good condition the Toyota dealr put it on it's on lot instead of wholesaling it on as they would normally do with a car of that age.
it never gave a moment's trouble in almost 9 years.
But we were probably lucky.
Post by: Dazzler on March 23, 2015, 21:12:42
I personally would not but again I might if price was right....given there is still 4 years warranty or it might not be 4 years....
You would have to find out if the warranty would still be valid for the remaining period and whether it would be classed as a business or private warranty.
Also, besides not knowing how it has been driven and whether it has damage.
You can see the body work but not the underneath.
If you did find one it will be worth paying for inspection by RAC or AA or independant motor inspector.
:Agoodpost:
I consider buying an ex-renter a real gamble (with winners like Trevor) but many losers too...
You would need to do what Lester said and save some good money over a one owner personal vehicle as well...
Post by: wbm00 on March 23, 2015, 22:06:36
The inspection sounds like a great idea so I'll look into that. Looks like the comprehensive inspection is £150ish but it's very thorough and is nothing on the cost of a vehicle.
Post by: Surferdude on March 23, 2015, 22:22:47
Thanks folks, I actually came across a couple on Hyundai forecourts and they were priced exactly the same as privately owned vehicles. Only the car supermarkets discount them to reflect their history. Advertised as "one owner" I only found out when I asked to see the V5... and realised "EVRS Ltd." was Enterprise.I don't know how they do it over there but here, at least one company has its own disposal yard. I. That's who we bought ours from and the price was certainly right.
The inspection sounds like a great idea so I'll look into that. Looks like the comprehensive inspection is £150ish but it's very thorough and is nothing on the cost of a vehicle.
Having a senior moment so I forget which company it was. Think it was Thrifty.
Post by: Surferdude on March 23, 2015, 22:25:26
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Post by: Phil №❶ on March 24, 2015, 00:58:45
A thorough mechanical investigation would be a requirement and the warranty would need to be investigated as previously mentioned. Check the body for accident damage and crabbing.
Remember, "Putty and paint, can make the devil a saint."