Post by: Martin on July 19, 2008, 23:22:41
Friday saw us perform final tuning and then testing of the i30CRDi PCM upgrade. We have a couple of these cars now and have been performing testing in the pair of them to speed up the R&D process. As of today we are able to announce the i30 CRDi PCM upgrade available to the general public for $995 :cool:
(http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/i30final3.jpg)
Bringing the boost on earlier with more aggressive VGT (Variable Nozzle Turbo) control gives a nice sharp ramp into torque. Overall boost pressure has been raised to 22psi up from the factory 19psi :cool:
To recap then, for i30 CRDi owners -
We offer the PCM upgrade (mail order) featured here for $995
We also have a rear muffler 'delete' pipe that sounds great for $100 (we didnt use this in our performance testing, however it does sound great)
Add $30 for overnight airfreight, and its a simple upgrade <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />
The PCM is located on the side of the airbox and is held in position by four 10mm bolts -
(http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/i30pcm.jpg)
http://www.dwtuning.com.au (http://www.dwtuning.com.au)
Post by: Lakes on July 20, 2008, 00:34:50
John
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 03:30:45
The timing of the run is therefore controlled and not 'free floating'
Actual acceleration timing is the key here (performed with an industry standard Racelogic Driftbox)
Stock
0-100km/h 9.6sec 0-400m 17.1
PCM Tune
0-100km/h 8.2sec 0-400m 15.7
Getting a good launch and limiting the wheelspin is the problem here
Post by: jamiec on July 20, 2008, 03:50:46
Thanks jamie
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 04:17:35
More new on this later
Post by: Mick on July 20, 2008, 06:52:15
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 08:33:41
Post by: Thumper on July 20, 2008, 09:37:33
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 09:58:42
They can only read the software version, the program header tag, and any fault codes.....no more, no less
Post by: Thumper on July 20, 2008, 10:03:16
Post by: Dazzler on July 20, 2008, 10:21:16
Great Work...Just a few questions from a non-mechanic.
0-100kph in 9.6 for a standard CRDi seems better than figures I've seen quoted on the net!
How do you reckon we would stand with our warranty if we have a gearbox or other drive train issue after fitting the Performance pack?
Are you looking at any braking upgrade or suspension tuning to handle the extra performance or is the SLX already up to the mark?
Guess we'll need to tell our insurance company too.....
There were others but I've gone blank
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 10:46:47
Drivetrains have characteristically proven reliable in second gen onwards Hyundais so we dont expect to see any problems now
Post by: Dazzler on July 20, 2008, 10:52:05
Interesting about the tyres... The 15" Kuhmos on the SX have come in for criticism but most of us thought the 16" kumho/Hankook on the SLX were at least reasonable...
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 11:05:48
Post by: Lakes on July 20, 2008, 11:10:48
Quote from: "Lakes"
hi Martin, have you got a comparison, between stock and your upgrade timed so i can see what gain in TQ & power is timed, to see how much quicker it comes on. thanks
John
Hi martin, i still like it on load and time the run in second it takes to make the power and torque then compare, as there is no wind resistance or bumps on a dyno so can not really duplicate real word. so the timing before and after in seconds is how i like to see it not RPM as with RPM for all i know might have taken 15minutes to get to 1,000rpm , if you know what i mean m8.
but still good results.
cheers
Post by: CHB on July 20, 2008, 12:07:48
Reading part of what martin said "The reprogramming is performed to the vehicles original computer, which makes it an airbag job, and a day and half off the road"
it sounds like they send us a box that hooks up to the ECM and changes it without a need for keeping the box there? Also it requires a mechanic to update for you?
Sorry, just a bit confused
Post by: Lakes on July 20, 2008, 20:40:25
Quote from: "Thumper"
Sounds good.
Dazz, i thought i would give you my take.
It is hard to tell from just looking at the dyno graph, also it has 70KW then the next mark up does not have a # but i guess it's 80KW then it has written flywheel converted power is 100KW.( this is bull as no way in the world you can convert wheel power to flywheel power you need an engine dyno) so we have 80KW not 100KW but it's at the wheel. also it's very hard for me to compare with out driving the car. as i need a timed run to compare the two, but with a wheel driven dyno putting a load on the rollers then giving it a hard excelleration in 4th gear is hard on the motor so need it at the right rev, also would be a lot of friction tyre to roller, you also need a lot of air in the tyres to cut some friction. thats why i like the type dyno where you remove the wheel bolt the dyno to the hub, or with a bike you hook up the drive sproket to the dyno, then you give it full load and wide open throttle and time the runs, then compare how quick it made power and TQ stock & how quick it made power and TQ after the change.
just how i like to do it as it is a more accurate comparison
Then we come to the question of warranty, and will a hyundai dealer know if you have modified something, as Martin said only a few people he knows have the equipment to see what has been done. but if the change has made big gains that you can feel a lot, i'm thinking they test drive the cars when they service. they would feel its a lot faster on the test drive. but who knows.
i have a friend that is freelance and very highly qualified . .insurance companies hire him when there is bad accidents with big claims or large diesel truck motors fail or blow up as they can cost a fortune. he goes in and finds out what went wrong, and he is very good at what he does mate. but as the i30 is a very cheap little car would not worry unless it hit an expensive car at high speed.
cheers
John
Post by: Martin on July 20, 2008, 21:49:53
Quote from: "Lakes"
Quote from: "Thumper"Sounds good. :)Quotealso it's very hard for me to compare with out driving the car. as i need a timed run to compare the two, but with a wheel driven dyno putting a load on the rollers then giving it a hard excelleration in 4th gear is hard on the motor so need it at the right rev, also would be a lot of friction tyre to roller, you also need a lot of air in the tyres to cut some friction. thats why i like the type dyno where you remove the wheel bolt the dyno to the hub, or with a bike you hook up the drive sproket to the dyno, then you give it full load and wide open throttle and time the runs, then compare how quick it made power and TQ stock & how quick it made power and TQ after the change.
just how i like to do it as it is a more accurate comparison
I am not sure if you understand how a dyno works Lakes, but the constant reference to time based runs is a throwback to some of the old wives tales operators of the very cheap based inertia dynos used in the 70s and 80s. Rather than having proper electric retarders to brake the engines load, they were instead a big metal drum (roller) full of cement that weighed 5 tonne or so. How fast the vehicle could accelerate the drum was an indication of its power. Not particularly accurate, and no longer used by any professional developers. You should post some of the dyno results you have for your i30 Lakes outlining the way you like to perform the runs and then we will compare results :lol: :lol:
Post by: i30manUK on July 20, 2008, 21:55:24
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Thanks for your nice direct answers Martin.
Interesting about the tyres... The 15" Kuhmos on the SX have come in for criticism but most of us thought the 16" kumho/Hankook on the SLX were at least reasonable...
Sorry for the 'off topic' Martin, but the Kuhmos on my 18" rims are SH*T.
Back on topic - looks like you're getting good performance results with this upgrade. Hope the internals can take it - Has anyone looked inside the engine yet?
Post by: Mick on July 21, 2008, 07:08:34
I am intrigued somewhat as to why you Guys are able to extract significantly more from the engine than Hyundai. I somehow doubt they have less resources or technical expertise.
Do Hyundai tune the engine conservatively to remove any reliability issues? Also I don't understand how the engine seems more efficient after your tune given that you report approx 4.5l/100km in your test drive.
I would of thought that more power would mean higher fuel use? Or is it that if driven to it's new capabilities it will consume more fuel than the factory tune?
Post by: Martin on July 21, 2008, 09:26:32
Post by: Lakes on July 21, 2008, 11:54:51
i still stand by what i said about timing a run, just think about it m8.
Rev Per Minute, is how many revolutions per minute the motor turns, but that does not tell me how long it took the motor to get to 1,000 RPM does it. its always the last way you can ever get a salesman to demonstraight his product ( timed dyno run ) Amen.
Post by: Martin on July 21, 2008, 12:19:22
The only correct measure of acceleration is GPS or vehicle based off the rollers, with there being very little real world relevance to how fast a vehicle can spin a cement drum mounted in a dyno frame. Many of the more switched on bike racers are ditching their cheapie inertia dynos and stepping up to top level setups that allow steady state tuning and reaping the benefits on both the road and the track. However I think we are going a little off track here. If would be good to see you post up some of the dyno testing you have performed on your i30 so we could get a feel for the type of equipment you use, and the methodology behind your testing...particularly interested in seeing the results of your exhaust
Post by: Dazzler on July 21, 2008, 12:31:30
May I make a suggestion....
You have obviously gone to a lot of effort to tweak the i30 and no one doubts you have made a big gain. Do we have any members with standard i30 CRDi models located near your base?
I think it would be good if you could get a few of our members to test drive one of your upgraded vehicles and give us some feedback...
I am not in the market for such an upgrade but would like to see you benefit from your interaction with our club...
Cheers,
Darryl
Post by: Milo on July 21, 2008, 14:19:06
All I can say is well done.... I have been following your post over at LS1, and gotta say I'm pretty impressed....
I have "followed" your work way back when you started on Zoom, so i know what your on about.
I would get my I30 Flashed in a heartbeat...... IF I owned one... Hopefully that will change in the near future. 8-)
MILO
Post by: Lakes on July 21, 2008, 20:39:35
The Dyno i used for my bike is a New Superflow , i know what you mean about the old dynojets and so on, the only reason they uprated them to be more truthfull is superflow showed them up a few times. but american's like to brag as you know. just we here in australia like the truth.
thats a good dyno you have i checked it out i always call them Vane, my friend has one but it's a 10 year old Vane truck Dyno uses the same magnet load controler your model has, but this Unit was built to dyno Trucks and is real heavy duty. he bought it at an Auction was used by the TAFE they have one like your's now. my friend is going to build one to his own design just use the Vane rollers and load control. sorry for posting like this.
have you ever tuned a Supercharged V8 that use carb's? it's not easy!! but with EFI it's easier just takes more time maping fuel and ignition.
cheers
Post by: Martin on July 21, 2008, 22:23:41
While all this talk of dynos is fascinating and is probably of interest to a few here, it really isnt what this thread is about. I believe you have made a serious misjudgement Lakes if you thinking knowing someone that has an inertia dyno will arm you with enough information to discredit our 20 years of turbocharged petrol and diesel engine development. I form this opinion re your reference to 'calling bull' on our results. I certainly have more important ways to waste 20 minutes of a day countless other internet forums rather than banter with a guy that knows some guy with a dyno, add google, instant expert :cool:
Post by: Lakes on July 22, 2008, 07:15:12
Quote from: "Martin"
Lakes we have probably tuned over 50 high horsepower engine combinations on the engine dyno. Personally we use a Superflow SF-901 with 32 channel data logging. I am seriously considering getting a Mainline Engine Dyno - the best in the business - as Stone Brothers, HRT, and several other top line race teams use, very expensive though, starting to nudge $300,000 with the right control systems in place :)
While all this talk of dynos is fascinating and is probably of interest to a few here, it really isnt what this thread is about. I believe you have made a serious misjudgement Lakes if you thinking knowing someone that has an inertia dyno will arm you with enough information to discredit our 20 years of turbocharged petrol and diesel engine development. I form this opinion re your reference to 'calling bull' on our results. I certainly have more important ways to waste 20 minutes of a day countless other internet forums rather than banter with a guy that knows some guy with a dyno, add google, instant expert :cool:
the guy who makes the mainline engine dyno worked for MoTeC, know him.
good dyno
Post by: Thumper on July 22, 2008, 12:47:54
I have driven several 'Dyno Queens' that were pigs on the road, but had lovely graphs showing power. Others that I have driven on the track have shown mild improvements on graphs, but were a delight to drive on the track.
Proof is in the driveability.
(Which I have no doubt in, with regards to what you are supplying)
Post by: Dazzler on July 22, 2008, 14:12:25
Post by: Martin on July 22, 2008, 22:00:43
Post by: Thumper on July 22, 2008, 23:04:26
As for some of us being able to notice a difference with a certain modification, yet where a dyno shows no gain, I have proven time and time again that I am attaining better economy. Does the dyno show this?
(This is not a pissing contest, over 1,300km per tank, and 3lt/100km over 200km shows that this is a real world difference)I have no doubt in what you say is true, an exhaust change does nothing for the power output. (Well, as you tested, removing the exhaust all together) Yet you also say that the ECU can reduce power if need be.
What I, and others here are trying to say is, a freer flowing exhaust provides a difference in power, economy and sound. None of us have removed the exhaust entirely.
Thus, could it be possible that with no exhaust, the ECU detunes the motor to keep power/torque levels at a constant, yet with a slightly more free flowing exhaust, the ECU is not tripped into detuning the engine output?
It's just a thought.
I've read through all your previous publications, and whilst you have been very thorough in the past, I find it very hard to believe that a turbo vehicle (Be it petrol or diesel) will not gain any power or torque with the restrictive exhaust removed. (Yes some have actually lost power, due to a highly tuned exhaust and/or an electronic limiter of some sort.)
Doesn't that seem rather 'odd' to even the likes of yourself?
Martin, we are not having a go at you, far from it, it's just that some numbers don't add up!
Post by: Martin on July 23, 2008, 06:16:35
We removed each part of the exhaust system a step at a time for testing (both tuned and untuned), not the whole lot in one large chunk, and indeed our test car has a 'rear' muffler delete' in place simply because it sounds better with it removed. We didnt go to great lengths here, simply a flange plate and nice little stainless steel 'dump' that comes out under the car and costs around $75 in parts and labour...we weld them up and ship them for $100 :)
Post by: TheBunyip on July 23, 2008, 08:01:50
This is a fascinating thread even for an absolute Diesel Novice like me. Thank you for your explanations. You may recall that d_d asked a question on our behalf when you were starting work on the i30 CRDi about the absence or presence of a particulate filter in the exhaust system of the i30. I am the nut who cannot get his head around Hyundai's emission claims for the i30. It is supposed to meet EURO4 standards in Australia and elsewhere. The UK and Australian emission figures (for PM especially) are almost identical which is a puzzle if one has a (working?) filter and the other does not.
A I understand it, the DPF component of the UK exhaust appears to be included in the Australian system but should be something like an empty tube if Hyundai Australia are correct that there is no DPF fitted to the Australian i30. I have attached the photo originally posted by Shambles indicating the component thought to be the DPF because I would hate to cause confusion with my description.
From the front looking back.
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo286/i30ownersclub/10046771ak3.jpg)
When you were working with the various stages of the exhaust system removed did you or any of your team notice if the possible DPF section was hollow or did it contain any kind of Matrix material?
I appreciate that this may not have figured in your work but it is exercising my mind somewhat. I would be grateful for any light you may be able to shed on this puzzle.
Post by: Lakes on July 23, 2008, 08:38:56
Quote from: "Martin"
Yes of course we have our own i30 - its pictured here in this thread :mrgreen:
Marin i'll put my money were my mouth is and go to a Mainline Dyno and check, but can't do it for a few weeks. will be checking economy from the pipe change this weekend.
cheers
ps seems to be a lot of mainline dyno's in sydney, do you know a good one? If not i'll find out sunday. i think it will be interesting as it's not the sound that infuence's me as i have said i'm profoundly deaf as a result of an accident, so the sound has nothing to do with it.
Matin i'm just wondering if you have your dyno in a sound proof room? as this would be the only different to compare if i test on a dyno the same as you have, here in sydney i'm sure they will all be in a sound proof room , just hope it does not effect the difference. as always hard to compare dyno to dyno. but if i put stock pipe on then test and swap to this pipe will see the difference if any.
Post by: TheBunyip on July 23, 2008, 11:12:08
This post is definitely going to come under the heading of a fool (This One) rushing in where angels should fear to tread.
I have been puzzled over the apparent benefit of a free flow exhaust for experienced drivers like Thumper and Martin's measurements not detecting any benefit. (Hope that is not stating things too forcefully.)
Lakes will recall that I have previously found an article which offered some explanation here http://autospeed.com/cms/A_109291/article.html and suggests that Free Flow exhaust modification can be worthwhile.
This did not enable a novice like me to understand Martins Measurements so I went back to the site and dug around. I found this. http://autospeed.com/cms/A_109306/article.html Unfortunately it does not address Martins point about where the back pressure is produced in the Turbo.
Because the Diesel in question in these articles is not a Common Rail Turbo I am sure that direct comparison would be impossible. However as the author had experienced benefits from Exhaust modification and Intake modification as well I was intrigued to read of his problems in using a Dyno to measure his improvements and his explanation.
Whether he is onto anything that might shed some light on the issues you two are discussing I cannot say. I offer the links in the hope of assisting communication not muddying the water or creating disagreement.
If the links are a waste of your time please ignore them and kindly refrain from telling me where to go. I shall now retire to the sidelines anyhow.
Post by: Dazzler on July 23, 2008, 11:19:48
Your posting are alway appreciated. Please don't deride yourself.. ;)
Post by: Lakes on July 23, 2008, 20:57:15
cheers
Post by: Martin on July 24, 2008, 10:12:28
Post by: Lakes on July 24, 2008, 11:27:39
Quote from: "Martin"
Lakes....if you are planning to run on a Mainline dyno they dont actually incorporate 'timed dyno runs', as these kinda went out in the 70s when decent tuning shops could afford decent dynos. If you want 'times' go to the track (i.e. WSID)....other than that keep trying to flog your exhaust concept on here with no data to back it up other than the SOTP (Seat Of The Pants meter).....surely you have no $ to make out of it, but its also obvious you have no $ invested in it as what you recommend simply does not work, nor have you tested it in any standard way ;) but when he talks people listen. i think the old truck Chassis dyno he bought he is going to convert it to work same as your mainline. he looked at Superflow Dyno's but wanted something better as some of the motors he dyno's rev realy high, superflow used a cast dyno wheel that can fracture from vibration. his is all billit. i've watched some big HP supercharged V8's on it and some turbo's some made up over the 1,500HP mark so the dyno is strong.
Martin, if i find there is no economy gain with this pipe and the dyno shows no power or torque gain i'll just put the stock back on and won't worry me at all m8 as just transport, i'm not racing it.
what i would like to try is LPG with the diesel, what do you think?
Post by: Martin on July 24, 2008, 22:15:30
Quote from: "Lakes"
martin, my friend Kim Baker, makes his own Dyno's ( water engine dyno )......well Kim does timed and RPM, said he likes to use timmed to see how quick they can make power, shows up a motor that is slow to rev.
You better let Kim in on a secret then (might help him out) as it is impossible to perform a timed dyno run using a water brake dyno. Just like the Mainline, the engine dyno time is 'given' to you at the start of the run. If you timed the run, then every result would be the same for a given setup. I am sure Kim would agree old inertia dynos where a stopwatch was used to time the run in an effect to calculate power really is dinosaur technology and best left in the 1970s. :shock: :D :lol:
Post by: Lakes on July 27, 2008, 08:55:38
Quote from: "Martin"
Quote from: "Lakes"martin, my friend Kim Baker, makes his own Dyno's ( water engine dyno )......well Kim does timed and RPM, said he likes to use timmed to see how quick they can make power, shows up a motor that is slow to rev.
You better let Kim in on a secret then (might help him out) as it is impossible to perform a timed dyno run using a water brake dyno. Just like the Mainline, the engine dyno time is 'given' to you at the start of the run. If you timed the run, then every result would be the same for a given setup. I am sure Kim would agree old inertia dynos where a stopwatch was used to time the run in an effect to calculate power really is dinosaur technology and best left in the 1970s. :shock: :D :lol:
Martin, i know a few people here in sydney useing LPG with CRD turbo's just all MB's not i30. they all showed a good economy gain and say they perform better. there is a guy here does the conversions.
did you know Hyundai are going LPG electric. already have and there is talk its coming here
Post by: Mick on July 29, 2008, 05:19:12
Given the stock graph indicates approx 255nm and the improved graph approx 290-300nm, where does the extra 30nm come from?
Post by: chylld on August 20, 2008, 13:30:02
Quote from: "Mick"
Whilst I can understand the overall increase to 99kW from 85kW using the indicated 14kW increase. I cannot see where the 330nm comes from.
Given the stock graph indicates approx 255nm and the improved graph approx 290-300nm, where does the extra 30nm come from?
i would also like to know this :lol:
Martin: is there any way i can try the chip out first before buying it? and also, any news on that bigger blower?
Post by: Dazzler on August 20, 2008, 23:22:34
Quote from: "chylld"
Quote from: "Mick"Whilst I can understand the overall increase to 99kW from 85kW using the indicated 14kW increase. I cannot see where the 330nm comes from.
Given the stock graph indicates approx 255nm and the improved graph approx 290-300nm, where does the extra 30nm come from?
i would also like to know this :mrgreen:
Hi chylld,
You might need to send Martin an email - he's a busy man and I don't think he gets on this site much now (Or go to his tuning site - the link's on here somewhere)
Think Martin said 0-60km was 9.6 on standard CRDi which surprised me ( UK website say over 11 from memory - as you know their strength is in 3rd and 4th gear)
Post by: chylld on August 21, 2008, 00:17:41
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
You might need to send Martin an email - he's a busy man and I don't think he gets on this site much now (Or go to his tuning site - the link's on here somewhere)
Think Martin said 0-60km was 9.6 on standard CRDi which surprised me ( UK website say over 11 from memory - as you know their strength is in 3rd and 4th gear)
thanks for the tip darryl.
yeah i bet a lot of roadtesters set acceleration times by revving up to the redline (4.8k rpm) before changing gear... in my i30 at least, it's actually better to change up around 3-3.5k rpm as it lands you right in the torque band in the next gear.
it's definitely faster 40-100 than my 2.0 civic though, which was already under 10 sec 0-100...
Post by: freakzoide on August 21, 2008, 16:12:01
When it's done I'll show you guys.
But you can see a remapped Cee'd tested here:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews ... _ceed.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/223314/kia_ceed.html)
Post by: Lakes on August 21, 2008, 20:20:11
Quote from: "freakzoide"
I'll be remapping my car next month. I'll be getting around +25bhp +50Nm on one of the best remapping companies in Europe.
When it's done I'll show you guys. ;)
good luck mate i'm not having a go at you just trying to explain that its very hard to compare unless you put them side by side and race.
Post by: freakzoide on August 21, 2008, 21:39:52
I just want to have the car a bit faster. As you probably know, when remapping a diesel engine it produces alot more black smoke. I personally prefer ~130bhp with no smoke, than 140bhp with a storm behind me! Besides.. my personal aim is to get more torque, I don't really care about the final bhp.
September the 13th... is the day! :)
I'll be doing a test before and after.
Post by: chylld on August 21, 2008, 22:31:14
the dw tuning pack is cheaper (about $1000 vs $1300) but i'm worried about hyundai flashing the car's pcm/ecm at the next service, overwriting $1000 worth of tuning :P
Post by: freakzoide on September 14, 2008, 21:52:05
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3407/ceedremapedar0.jpg)
137.3BHp
299Nm
I'll be adjusting mainly that "brake" at 2000rpm, and the top end power.
Post by: Dazzler on September 15, 2008, 08:49:35
You used something other than the DW Tuning Pack? (similar figures I note)
Post by: chylld on September 15, 2008, 08:58:54
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Hi freakzoide,
You used something other than the DW Tuning Pack? (similar figures I note) :)
the work that's gone into the dw tuning pack sounds impressive, however the dp chip is a 5-minute plug-in job with pretty much the same (100kw/295nm) peak result figures. also the fact that the dw option is an "airbag job" (putting the car off the road for 1.5 days) and can't be tried out or sold makes it really hard to justify
Post by: Lakes on September 15, 2008, 11:50:33
Quote from: "freakzoide"
Remaped my car! It still has some work to be done, I'll be re-adjusting the electronics in 2 weeks, but here how it's now:
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3407/ceedremapedar0.jpg)
137.3BHp
299Nm
I'll be adjusting mainly that "brake" at 2000rpm, and the top end power.
Hi M8 looks ok, just you are useing a different correction factor to Martin so hard to compare you are useing DIN, he was useing SAE also if you don't use KW i like HP, PS is yet a different form or power measurment, so very hard to do a dirrect comparrition.
how does it feel?
Post by: Lakes on September 15, 2008, 11:53:58
Quote from: "chylld"
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"Hi freakzoide,
You used something other than the DW Tuning Pack? (similar figures I note) :)
the work that's gone into the dw tuning pack sounds impressive, however the dp chip is a 5-minute plug-in job with pretty much the same (100kw/295nm) peak result figures. also the fact that the dw option is an "airbag job" (putting the car off the road for 1.5 days) and can't be tried out or sold makes it really hard to justify
Hi m8, you would not loose the tune from your ECU, have you meet anyone that owns a i30 CRDi that is useing the DP Chip?
Post by: chylld on September 15, 2008, 12:32:15
Quote from: "Lakes"
Hi m8, you would not loose the tune from your ECU, have you meet anyone that owns a i30 CRDi that is useing the DP Chip?
i think the dp chip plugs in after all of the computer stuff, so it pretty much just alters fuel pressure. combining it with any kind of ecu tuning would be highly unadvisable!
haven't met/heard from any regular i30 owners with either dp chip or dw tuning pack...
Post by: freakzoide on September 15, 2008, 20:16:26
This is a personalized ECU remap.
chylld,
It's not me... It's a specialized company called Vilauto Competitions:
http://www.vilauto.com/ (http://www.vilauto.com/)
Lakes,
Ps is pretty similar to Hp. The car feels pretty good! But it's not finished! that weird line @2000rpm will be corrected and there will be better fuel optimization (I guess I'll be gaining +2PS and +4Nm on the final version).
Regarding the Speed limiter, I've heard the I30 is limited to 200Km/h. I have a Kia Pro_Cee'd and it was limited to 250Km/h. It still is, I don't have gear ratios to reach it, so I leave it be! :p
Post by: Lakes on September 15, 2008, 21:06:54
Quote from: "chylld"
Quote from: "Lakes"Hi m8, you would not loose the tune from your ECU, have you meet anyone that owns a i30 CRDi that is useing the DP Chip?
i think the dp chip plugs in after all of the computer stuff, so it pretty much just alters fuel pressure. combining it with any kind of ecu tuning would be highly unadvisable!
haven't met/heard from any regular i30 owners with either dp chip or dw tuning pack...
I don't know much about what the DW tuning pack is all we got told is the boost was turned up but diesel's need more fuel too so not sure what they do.
i asked the DP Chip people and they said they have fitted heaps to i30's, then i asked them could they tell me what port they plug into on the i30, but they could not tell me, so what i think is they just mean they have used a lot on the Bosc ECU that the i30 use but i don't think they have put on onto an i30. but they were quick to respond and helpfull. no i would not mix the DW tune with a DP Chip, but i don't think i'll do anything to mine as our speed limits are too slow.
cheers
Post by: chylld on September 15, 2008, 22:48:16
i remember now some other forums where i30 members were comparing their dpchip settings (you can adjust it yourself from 1-10 i think, default is 5) and they found for a stock car around 5-6 is best, 7 or higher and there's too much smoke or something heheh.
Post by: Lakes on September 16, 2008, 21:03:33
Quote from: "chylld"
well the dpchip for the i30 is the DP-31 which is a 5-minute plug and go jobby. can't be that hard :lol: , but he got good gains and had it on a Dyno, if i can remember it made 127HP @ front wheel but i forgot what TQ, it was the 1.9 TDI not the 2.0. he has had it for two years now just makes it blow more smoke too.
if you can find a link to the sight that people that use the DP Chip on i30's, would be good to read.
Thanks M8
Post by: freakzoide on September 17, 2008, 00:29:21
Quote from: "Lakes"
Well you are probably right m8, and the guy that e mailed me seemed straight forward, so good to know someone uses them on an i30.
A friend of mine has a VW Jetta TDI and has a plug in that turns fuel pressure up has settings from A to F, he tested all the settings but stopped short of F., but he got good gains and had it on a Dyno, if i can remember it made 127HP @ front wheel but i forgot what TQ, it was the 1.9 TDI not the 2.0. he has had it for two years now just makes it blow more smoke too.
Here in Portugal the 1.9 TDi engine reaches 200bhp with no major changes! More extreme preparations take it to ~320Bhp!
Post by: Lakes on September 17, 2008, 09:20:00
do they last tunned up to make that sort of power?
my friend has the DSG gear box, its like an Auto trans that has two clutchs not Torque converters two main shafts too, shifts fast.
Everyone tells me Portugal is a very nice Country and the people are nice too.
cheers
does anyone there use LPGas in with Diesel Fuel?
Post by: Medic01 on November 02, 2008, 02:36:46
i've got a question, since you managed to "crack" the computer that a lot of places cannot do, is it possible to crack other hyundai computers ? like the Accent LC, LC2 and MC.
i know that there is a lot of owners on the Hyper Auto Club forums that have hyundai's that have very little aftermarket support for things like ECU's.
a lot of people say to go for full standalone units, or say "go the way of the piggyback" but there is almost no piggybacks that flawlessly work with Accents.
it's a damn shame as without this support, we cannot correctly upgrade things like cams or consider turbo conversions.
anyway without rambling on, is it possible to "crack" open the accent computers in the same way that you have worked on the i30 ??
thanks
Post by: Dazzler on November 02, 2008, 04:41:22
Best to email him direct at
dtech@senet.com.au
or there might be a different email somewhere in this thread.
Martin ended up agreeing to disagree with some of our members and don't think any bought his mod so he doesn't visit us much any more
Post by: teamgeorge on November 02, 2008, 11:31:45
remapped ecu for the win in a year or two...
Post by: Shambles on December 13, 2008, 21:03:43
Martin ended up agreeing to disagree with some of our members and don't think any bought his mod so he doesn't visit us much any more
And so, it's an AMEN to this thread as there seems to be cheaper and more 'believable' options to explore.