Post by: Razy on August 11, 2008, 15:14:44
I thought it would be interesting for the i30 owners to know that I will be driving an i30 CRDi SX at the Quit Targa West 2008 tarmac rally. The entry is fully backed by Hyundai Australia and the i30 is the first diesel car ever to compete in Targa West!
So if any i30 owners happen to be in Perth between Sep 4th-7th I could definitely do with a bit of support! Come around to the service park if you would like to see your daily run-around turned into a rally beast!!
Raz
Post by: eye30 on August 11, 2008, 16:24:09
So can please post pictures of the car in all its glory etc etc etc.
Post by: Dazzler on August 11, 2008, 23:04:22
Welcome to the club... That's the most exciting news we've had for a while. How much has she been modded and like eye, I can't wait to see some pix..
Hope you go well (Safe driving
)Cheers,
Dazz
P.S. A bit far for me to come over too... sorry.
Post by: EymaTeapot on August 12, 2008, 03:02:20
Good luck in the rally. Would love to watch but Canberra is about as far from perth as you can get and still be in the same country.
Look forward to sme pics
Post by: LuciferDarklord on August 19, 2008, 15:11:02
Post by: Dazzler on August 19, 2008, 23:40:00
Not long now... How's it all going?
(Guess they'll keep her pretty standard - more advertising punch that way)
Here's a link to their official website for those who are interested will be a good way of monitoring progress while Razy is busy driving
http://www.targawest.com.au/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx (http://www.targawest.com.au/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx)
Assume you've rallied other vehicles (we would be interested to know a bit of background... :mrgreen:
Post by: davet on August 20, 2008, 00:38:47
http://www.hyundai.com.au/Hyundais-W-A-Dealers-get-behind-the-i30-CRDi-QUIT-Targa-West-entry/default.aspx
Post by: Waja on August 20, 2008, 00:45:15
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http://www.targawest.com.au/Portals/0/docs/QTW08/Entries%20RECEIVED_15%20August%2008.pdfsounds like you hav got some serious competition going on! but good luck! not that you wil need it! prove them all wrong bout the i30! interesting though how they are doing no modifications other than brakes, tyres and safety...wish i could make it..cept its on the opposite side of aust >< too far!but goodluck once again! waiting for the good news
Post by: Dazzler on August 20, 2008, 10:00:00
Quote from: "davet"
Also some info on Hyundai site
http://www.hyundai.com.au/Hyundais-W-A-Dealers-get-behind-the-i30-CRDi-QUIT-Targa-West-entry/default.aspx
Interesting link thanks davet...
Post by: LuciferDarklord on August 23, 2008, 13:09:26
Post by: Razy on August 24, 2008, 00:29:38
Sorry I didn't have time to update the forum, but we've been pretty busy with recce and testing. There are nearly 220km of competitive distance and about 800km of transport sections - definitely the longest rally we've done so far!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18560068@N02/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/18560068@N02/)
Here are some photos of the car taken last weekend, the only difference will be the wheels (Hyundai supplied a set of 15" alloys and we will be using Silverstone FTZ type-R semi-slicks) and a rear spoiler (the one that comes standard on the top of the range i30). I also managed to get the brake pads this week and what a difference did they make!!! They are Ferodo DS3000 compound, but I had to get them custom cut because nobody had any (thanks again to Hyundai who managed to get a set of original pads to the guys who cut ours in Canberra so they can get the right size)!
We went for slightly smaller wheels that the originals to help with acceleration. We are limited to 130kph, so it's all about how quickly we can get there and how much can we keep it up for! If you have a look at the other entries - we are probably less that half in terms or power/weight ration from the next car, and nearly 4 times less than the Aston Martin!!! We will have to drive really well to beat anybody, but even if we don't there will still be a lot of fun in trying
I am going to do another test session today with the race tyres and brake pads - hopefully it will be a short one, just to get the feeling!
I've been racing an Opel Vectra GT on tarmac in Europe (it is similar to the Holden Calibra, but I haven't seen many in Australia) and then a Mazda 323 turbo 4x4 and a Daihatsu Charade GTti on gravel in Western Australia. So I do have some experience, but I still have a lot to learn!
For those in WA - there will be an article about us in the West Australian on Wednesday!
Regards,
Razvan
Post by: Dazzler on August 24, 2008, 00:33:17
Thanks for the update...
Is that you going around Barbagallo raceway on You Tube...
There is a link under Videos...
Post by: Razy on August 24, 2008, 09:21:36
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Hi Razy...
Thanks for the update...
Is that you going around Barbagallo raceway on You Tube...
There is a link under Videos...
Yes, that is me all right! Unfortunately I did not have the racing tyres at that time, so it is all done on the Hankooks that you buy with the i30
Still pretty quick, but the tyres won't last long!
Post by: Dazzler on August 24, 2008, 09:43:43
If it all goes well see if they'll fund you to run in Targa Tasmania... The wife and I follow that Rally and would be keen to be part of your support team...
Post by: Razy on September 02, 2008, 15:42:07
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Hi Again Razy...
If it all goes well see if they'll fund you to run in Targa Tasmania... The wife and I follow that Rally and would be keen to be part of your support team...
Well, it's getting close now and if it goes well I will definitely try to get the same deal for Tassie. They guys at Hyundai are a really nice bunch, they are very enthusiastic and have been a great help!
So far all is good, there was quite a bit of coverage in the media and it was really good value for money for Hyundai. We are possibly driving the cheapest new car in the rally, with the lowest power/weight ratio and definitely the most frugal, but we were featured in nearly all the WA newspapers!
As for myself and my navigator .... we were a bit worried that driving a diesel would be like going out for a Sunday drive, but after driving the i30 on the track we are sure that it will be just as much fun as driving a Porsche, but without the scary moments! Hyundai's claim of an "Australian tuned suspension" is not just a marketing tool, I actually tried really hard to upset the i30 on the track but on dry tarmac this is almost impossible, even with the factory tyres (and our car does not have ESP)! For the average driver who comes up against a hairy situation once or twice during his life the i30 must be the ideal car!
Post by: Dazzler on September 03, 2008, 00:48:53
I'm sure everyone on the site is right behind you (hopefully some of the competitors will be also
)
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 05, 2008, 15:26:41
Porsche 997 Turbo
Nissan Skyline R34 GTR
Aston Martin Vantage
Porsche 911 GT2
hyundai i30 SX CRDi turbo
Holden VU Ute
Ford F6 Typhoon
Ford Falcon BA GT
Holden HDT VC Retro
Porsche 911 Targa
Holden Clubsport
Proton Satria GTi
Thats some decent metal that they are beating there! F6 Typhoon is not a slow car!, none of them are slow cars!
I seen the Satria was involved in a rollover at the zigzags. That road is insane. Hopefully there is not a repeat of the Brocky crash.
Anyway - good luck to the i30!
On a side note the car i'm really barracking for is the Datsun 240Z - is currently 2nd behind a Porsche driven by Allistair McRae. Cant wait to check it out tomorrow might have some pics to post (although i'm the self-proclaimed worlds worst photographer)
Post by: Dazzler on September 06, 2008, 12:40:38
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 06, 2008, 14:14:06
2 16 Ford F6 Typhoon Simon Gunson 1:20:05.0 +1:22.0
3 48 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR Bruce Hawley 1:19:10.0 +2:27.0
4 58 Aston Martin Vantage Robert Darrington 1:21:15.0 +2:32.0
5 34 Holden VU Ute Keith Hawley 1:21:56.0 +3:13.0
6 39 Ford Falcon BA GT Stephen Brown 1:22:15.0 +3:32.0
7 29 Holden HDT VC Retro Paul Davies 1:21:32.0 +4:34.0
8 20 hyundai i30 SX CRDi turbo Diesel Razvan Vlad 1:24:44.0 +6:01.0
9 24 Porsche 911 Targa James Allen 1:27:19.0 +10:36.0
10 21 Holden Clubsport Paul Thompson 1:26:33.0 +11:05.0
Still doing well. Car looked good under brakes, Razvan was really standing on it. Just lacked the forward surge of the other cars - understandably! Look at the engine capacity of the rest of them..
Some fast MkI and MKII Escorts there for the poms. I think Alistair McRae should have driven an Escort
The new Nissan GT-R has overtaken the Lamborghini for outright. Some very fast Porsche turbos in there too
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/1i30-6.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/2i30-5.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/3i30-4.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/4i30-3.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/5i30-2.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/6i30-1.jpg)
Post by: Razy on September 06, 2008, 16:10:04
Thanks for the photos, maybe we can catch up tomorrow in the service park!
Post by: eye30 on September 06, 2008, 17:46:15
Post by: EymaTeapot on September 07, 2008, 01:51:05
Keep up the good work
Post by: Thumper on September 07, 2008, 02:59:06
Quote
8 20 hyundai i30 SX CRDi turbo Diesel Razvan Vlad 1:24:44.0 +6:01.0
9 24 Porsche 911 Targa James Allen 1:27:19.0 +10:36.0
10 21 Holden Clubsport Paul Thompson 1:26:33.0 +11:05.0
A stock standard 1.6lt diesel 4 cyl against the likes of Porsches and in front of Holden V8 Clubsports, love it! 8-)
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 07, 2008, 06:21:57
Post by: Dazzler on September 07, 2008, 08:28:46
Great effort Razy.. hang in there m8
As someone else said "you're doing us proud
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 07, 2008, 09:44:53
Pos No. Car Driver Time Diff Fastest
1 15 Porsche 997 Turbo Kym Illman 1:59:28.0 0
2 16 Ford F6 Typhoon Simon Gunson 1:59:59.0 +6.0
3 29 Holden HDT VC Retro Paul Davies 2:01:47.0 +2:04.0
4 48 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR Bruce Hawley 2:00:13.0 +2:20.0
5 34 Holden VU Ute Keith Hawley 2:04:03.0 +5:10.0
6 58 Aston Martin Vantage Robert Darrington 2:02:48.0 +5:15.0
7 20 hyundai i30 SX CRDi turbo Diesel Razvan Vlad 2:09:11.0 +9:18.0
8 24 Porsche 911 Targa James Allen 2:11:54.0 +14:01.0
And the 240Z held second in the Classic Competition category..
Pos No. Car Driver Time Diff Fastest
1 89 Porsche 911 RS 3.0 IROC Alister McRae 1:45:44.0 0
2 11 Datsun 240Z David Moir 1:53:11.0 +7:27.0
3 83 Holden VH SS Commodore Michael Miller 1:55:11.0 +9:27.0
4 45 Holden Torana A9X Mark O'Kane 1:54:16.0 +10:12.0
5 65 Ford Mustang GT350 Kim Stewart 1:55:28.0 +10:16.0
6 54 Porsche 911 Carrera RS Hans De Corti 1:56:28.0 +10:44.0
7 77 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 RS Chris Wilson 1:58:07.0 +12:23.0
8 67 Ford Escort Lea Welch 2:01:07.0 +15:23.0
9 80 Triumph TR7 Mark Dobson 2:03:12.0 +19:33.0
10 86 Ford Escort Mk1 RS2000 Josh Hogan 2:16:08.0 +30:24.0
11 93 Audi Quattro Davyd Hooper 2:33:06.0 +47:22.0
12 60 Ford XY Falcon Paul Pernechele 2:12:00.0 +26:16.0
13 28 Holden Torana GTR XUI Graham Romyn 2:14:30.0 +28:46.0
There is a pics page on the official website if anyone wants a look;
http://www.targawest.com.au/GALLERY/2008EventImages/tabid/93/Default.aspx
Awesome event, cant wait until next year!
Post by: TheBunyip on September 09, 2008, 12:23:15
Post by: EymaTeapot on September 09, 2008, 12:29:49
I will shake up a bottle of champayne tills it froths up and pour it all over myself in celebration of your tremendous performance.
Post by: Dazzler on September 09, 2008, 12:32:40
Post by: Razy on September 10, 2008, 14:22:49
We finished Targa West and what an exciting weekend it has been!! We started really well on Friday by overtaking the car in front of us on the very first stage and we even matched the Aston Martin's time on one of the stages. Unfortunately one of the cars in our class crashed, so we were left with only one task: beat the Porsche 911 and get the class trophy! Our tyres were not holding up so well, so we decided to turn them on the rims and it proved a wise choice!
The second day started well, we were beating the Porsche on the morning stages but I knew that the afternoon ones would be more difficult because they had a lot of slow corners and the Porsche could make up a lot of time by just accelerating a lot quicker that we could. I pushed the car harder to make up for this lost time, but a mistake with one of my notes saw us hitting a tree on the last stage of the day. Fortunately the damage was only superficial and we were able to get back to service without any penalties. The team did an excellent job fixing the car and we were back on the road for the last day, leading the Porsche by nearly 4 minutes.
The final day was just a matter of keeping the car on the road, saving what was left of our tyres and conserving our lead. We manage to do just that and finished first in our class and 7th overall. We are both very pleased with the results, it is a lot more that what we hoped for and and excellent outcome for Hyundai in the competition debut of the Diesel i30!
Some photos/videos (more to come when I get them):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9wjXpN5Xd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9wjXpN5Xd0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jawhcf8tnE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jawhcf8tnE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q351-LyOtpQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q351-LyOtpQ)
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150 ... CP5957.jpg (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/Echo63/JBCP5957.jpg)
Thank you very much for your support and I hope you will sit higher in your i30 knowing that it can be faster that that red V8 that pulls over at the traffic lights!
Razvan
Post by: Dazzler on September 10, 2008, 22:27:16
Post by: bdennis on September 11, 2008, 00:08:43
It looks like Continental Silver is the go fast colour!
Post by: kinesiologykid on September 11, 2008, 01:07:34
Now I don't need the SLX (maybe just Fog Lights).
I bet the Porsche 911 didn't get 4.7 l/100km!
Post by: Razy on September 11, 2008, 03:29:46
Both me and my wife drive cars that are three or four times more expensive than the i30, but after using it for the past 3 weeks we really miss it now! It is quite clear that Hyundai has taken a different path when they designed the i30 compared to the previous generations of small hatchbacks: it looks really good, it has a lot of small things that make your life easier on board, the interior doesn't look or feel cheap, it is up there with the safest cars in its class and it is still a very, very affordable car to run. Hopefully we will get the chance to drive it again next year!
We averaged 6.9l/100km during the rally, which is impressive when you consider that 1/4 of the time the throttle was floored! Most probably the 4.7l/100km figure that Hyundai advertises is easily achievable in everyday traffic!
Post by: eye30 on September 11, 2008, 19:11:13
(sorry if you've already posted for this. If so can you post link. Thanks)
Post by: Razy on September 12, 2008, 03:34:17
I was actually surprised by how good the brakes are. We tested the car with the original brake pads and managed to set them on fire after 5 laps at Barbagallo raceway, so we decided to get some Ferodo DS3000 pads manufactured for the i30 (nobody had them in stock, I guess the i30 is quite new to the rally world). We kept the original rotors and calipers (which are double piston as standard on the diesel i30) and the combination was absolutely fail proof during the event. The DS3000s are noisy in everyday use, but they can lock RR-compound tyres at 120kph!
Post by: kinesiologykid on September 12, 2008, 06:33:37
Could I ask a really simple question, I don't know anything about rallying.
HOW did you beat a Porsche 911 which is obviously faster to 100km and costs 8 times as much?
a) You are a more experienced driver than the Porsche driver?
b) The i30 diesel has better mid range acceleration?
c) The i30 corners better?
d) The Porsche crashed a few times?
e) Some other reason?
My guess is a and d.
It does sound good on a bumper sticker:
Faster than a Porsche 911 - More economical than a Prius!
Sorry the SLX CRDi models will not be able to claim this, as it was an SX (like the one which I just happen to own)!
Post by: Dazzler on September 12, 2008, 07:39:01
Quote from: "kinesiologykid"
Sorry the SLX CRDi models will not be able to claim this, as it was an SX (like the one which I just happen to own)!
Post by: Razy on September 12, 2008, 11:51:32
Quote from: "kinesiologykid"
Hi Razy,
Could I ask a really simple question, I don't know anything about rallying.
HOW did you beat a Porsche 911 which is obviously faster to 100km and costs 8 times as much?
a) You are a more experienced driver than the Porsche driver?
b) The i30 diesel has better mid range acceleration?
c) The i30 corners better?
d) The Porsche crashed a few times?
e) Some other reason?
My guess is a and d.
It does sound good on a bumper sticker:
Faster than a Porsche 911 - More economical than a Prius!
Sorry the SLX CRDi models will not be able to claim this, as it was an SX (like the one which I just happen to own)!
Hi!
I think the reasons are more likely a) and c). I didn't drive the Porsche, but it was obviously a quicker car in a straight line (which is probably true with most of the other cars behind us). However on a rally like this straight line acceleration can only help up to a point, it is very important to be able to break late and carry as much speed as possible through the corners. The cars in our category were all limited to 130kph, so top speed was not much help either. The i30's torque curve is very consistent, so I didn't have to change gears that often which in turn helps with the car balance through the corners.
I was really confident in the i30's brakes and I could push it to the limit of tyre grip on nearly every brake point. The trouble with tarmac rallying is that you need to get the brake point and corner speed just right because going in too quickly can lead to disaster. Most drivers take the safe route, brake early and go in slower to be able to accelerate as soon as possible. The i30's handling is very predictable, so if you go into the corner too quickly it will just understeer and all it takes is liftoff or maybe a tap on the brakes to bring it back in line, which means that you can corner as hard as the tyres can most of the times. This was quite obvious if you looked at our tyres at the end of the rally, they were almost completely worn out and we used quite a bit of the sidewalls also :-)
Raz
Post by: Dazzler on September 12, 2008, 12:17:02
We appreciate the fact that you have been checking back after the event to answer our questions.. you are a trooper...
Post by: kinesiologykid on September 12, 2008, 12:30:26
I will drive mine well within its limits, but its nice to know it has stuff there in an emergency, and I will not be switching off ESP!
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 13, 2008, 05:50:11
Post by: Razy on September 13, 2008, 06:39:58
Quote from: "LuciferDarklord"
I just watched the youtube videos, nice driving Razy! I drive on the Bindoon Country 2 roads quite a bit, and those crests get my heart racing at the speed limits, let alone at the speed you took them at. Well done!
Bindoon Country is actually one of my favorite stages, my navigator was speechless after we finished the first run! I was looking forward to running the stage again on Sunday, but it was canceled for the Challenge cars due to a local resident requiring medical assistance. One of the Competition cars rolled badly on the last corner also, the navigator ended up in hospital with some fractured bones.
That was the only spot where we managed to get some air, you can see the car lifting up and then landing a few centimeters to the left. I can imagine that if you have a bad note for that corner you would land straight into the ditch! You are quite lucky to drive those roads every day, it is the sort of thing that would definitely help me get out of bed in the morning!
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 14, 2008, 04:02:15
Post by: Razy on September 14, 2008, 06:45:23
I don't think I've noticed the views, I'll have a look around next year during recce
I must have been paying too much attention to the road!The Tucson is not too bad at all, I once had a hire car in Karratha and it does some nice power slides on gravel! It's much nicer to drive than the Mitsubishi Outlander, which got me stuck in a small muddy puddle that posed not problems at all for the Tucson!
Post by: LuciferDarklord on September 14, 2008, 07:03:20
Post by: donc on September 15, 2008, 06:38:17
Post by: Razy on September 18, 2008, 02:43:22
Quote from: "donc"
This has been a great read and well done! - got me all fired-up for the Kidney Car Rally next year
Are you driving the i30 in the Kidney Rally??