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FUEL ISSUES & ECONOMY => DIESEL => Topic started by: ithurtydeesl on November 28, 2010, 08:57:45
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Just filled the new SLX Diesel auto for the first time,picked it up on Thursday and filled it to the brim.We did 450km locally and a 445km drive to Albury.
Total km 895.9
Total fuel 55.95l
16.01km/l
6.24l/100km
Seems pretty good for the first tank and hopefully see some improvement on the way home tomorrow.
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Got to be happy with that ... good job :mrgreen:
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not to bad for a new engine. :razz: Doe's the crdi need to be run in like a petrol motor? I'm curios to know as a 1.000km drive seems a lot for a new motor. IMHO.
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not to bad for a new engine. :razz: Doe's the crdi need to be run in like a petrol motor? I'm curios to know as a 1.000km drive seems a lot for a new motor. IMHO.
Any normal drive of that length in Oz (unless you are driving across the Nullabor) or from Adelaide to Alice or something is still going to have some variations in revs, speeds and engine loads (so I'm sure it will be fine) :neutral:
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There was plenty of variation in the revenue,we are going home over My Hotham so plenty of hills to pull up.
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i thought of that after i posted the question. :-[ :wink:
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Diesels are a bit different, but these day's i don't run motors in, we get new Toyota petrols at work every two years or so and i don't worry that much, and they run fine when we are finished & hget a new one.
with my Diesel i just made sure i got it to work from low revs. & it's still runing fine no oil useage no water useage i can notice. getting a load on motor just expands the rings to get a seating down the bore
i can't see a long run hurting, in fact i think its good as the oil is at runing temps, much better than short trip were motor never gets to ideal runing temps.
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Howdy,
wife just filled the car up after its first tank. It's an i30 SX CRDi Manual.
684km
48.05L
14.2 km/L
7.02L/100
I imagine the economy is not the best because the wife is still trying to drive it like a petrol car. And I guess that goes some way to explaining the WRX fuel figure of 11L/100. The whole tank was basically city drving too, so that would knock it down a bit.
I am giving it some leeway for being brand new, but from seeing other peoples first tank efforts, I'm placing blame on our driving technique.
Hope we (the royal we) can come to grips with it fairly soon.
Cheers,
GM
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I hope she's not reving it as hard as she would driving a petrol engined car.... :scared:
You should probably be keeping it well under 3000rpm's at this stage of "newness".....
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I haven't really been in the car much with her yet. But driving a diesel is a lot different to a normal car. I even found myself reving it too high first time I drove it. My gut feeling is she is reving past the torque peak, and letting it rev for no gain.
Short shifting is king!
GM
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Working it between 2-3k seems to be all that's needed to make good progress. Pushing to 4k will give a sense of going somewhere when in a hurry but will be less good for the economy naturally and it's really only satisfying the senses. :wink:
I think you are a brave man to make the swap you did. You are going to have to convince here that the low down grunt is a good feeling (it is for me but I'm an old man :cool:) instead of the more impressive sound from an engine screaming at 5k. :goodjob:
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Well I got 450kms for my first tank - I have the 2010 1.7 turbo diesel auto CW - is this good, bad or otherwise?? I am pretty much driving all city driving.
It seems that most everyone else has got better fuel economy!!
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Well I got 450kms for my first tank - I have the 2010 1.7 turbo diesel auto CW - is this good, bad or otherwise?? I am pretty much driving all city driving.
It seems that most everyone else has got better fuel economy!!
Hi poczynek.. They are actually a 1.6 Diesel and that seems very low .. Even 1st click on the bowser when filling to the fuel light coming on I would have expected closer to 600kms..
Are you sure the tank was full when you started (It has to improve over that result) :eek:
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Hi there, yep sorry - 1.6 diesel. Yeah was my first full tank. Have filled up today and will see how it goes but was def expecting better fuel economy! Am I driving it wrong?!
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Haven't driven an Auto Diesel but smooth accelleration and gentle braking would be the key to good economy..
I believe the diesel pulls the Auto nearly as well as the manual so no need to drive it hard (just smooooth) :mrgreen:
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not to bad for a new engine. :razz: Doe's the crdi need to be run in like a petrol motor? I'm curios to know as a 1.000km drive seems a lot for a new motor. IMHO.
I always run-in new engines. if they didn't need to be run-in then why does the power output increase with milage?
i was not impressed with the performance of mine when new, but it has gradually got better.
now its what i expected! :goodjob:
my brother in law (who is a motor guru) said his diesel didn't reach its full power potential until 10,000 miles :scared:
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Well Paul, would depend on tolerances , but these days they finish the bore off a lot better than the old days, also oil's are much improved. but the same old story gets told about runing in a motor.
they make a bit more power & torque after you have done some k's or miles. on my i30 CRDi it felt better after 30,000k. also if you go for long trips after an hour or two you can feel the motor runs better than doing just short stop start. i think this is due to oil reaching optimal temps. i took mine for a 5 hour 400k run this past week and felt like it had more power & Torque than it normally has. i think the diesel likes long runs. economy is always good in mine on a longer run too, also have noticed mine likes or loves 24c temps seems to perform at its best in those temps. when its colder, it performs ok too when its hotter it performs ok, just 22c - 24c i notice an improvement in how it performs.
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Driving to Spain early 2011 will be interesting to see how she goes on a long run, (1,300 miles each way)
the only downfall is, i will be 4 up, taking friends, so wont be able to go my normal pace, will have to go easy as i don't want to scare them lol :faint:
but it will be a good test for fuel consumption.
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that's a decent drive Paul. :razz:
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Look forward to your feedback Paul.. have a good and safe trip.. :goodjob:
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Driving to Spain early 2011 will be interesting to see how she goes on a long run, (1,300 miles each way)
i don't want to scare them lol :faint:
It is the front seat passenger who will be scared once you land in France driving on the wrong side of the road
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how long are you going away for Paul? a 2,600 mile round trip sounds like at least a week. :razz:
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normally go for a month 2i30's, as you say not worth going for a week lol,
i used to do it in one day, but now i am getting older i take two.
This next trip i have two friends coming too, and her in doors says i must drive slower :scared:
Yes Eye30, When you want to overtake, you pull out a couple of feet, and look at the face of the passenger,
if they scream then something is coming so you pull back in :sweating:
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Yes Eye30, When you want to overtake, you pull out a couple of feet, and look at the face of the passenger,
if they scream then something is coming so you pull back in :sweating:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Excuse my ignorance I should know this as my Brother now lives in France.. Do they sit on the right of the car and drive on the right hand side of the road ?? (that would be tricky :faint:)
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Yes Eye30, When you want to overtake, you pull out a couple of feet, and look at the face of the passenger,
if they scream then something is coming so you pull back in :sweating:
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Excuse my ignorance I should know this as my Brother now lives in France.. Do they sit on the right of the car and drive on the right hand side of the road ?? (that would be tricky :faint:)
UK cars are RHD and drive on the left -- same as in OZ.
Across the English Channel on the Continent (France, Spain etc) they drive on the right and driver sits on the left i.e. LHD cars.
So a UK RHD car on the Continent, the front passenger is sitting where the driver should be so the RHD driver can't see past the vehicle in front and has to rely on the passenger to say if it is OK or not.
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So a UK RHD car on the Continent, the front passenger is sitting where the driver should be so the RHD driver can't see past the vehicle in front and has to rely on the passenger to say if it is OK or not.
U got it eye30 just look at the passengers expression... if they sh*t them selves pull back in QUICK
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UK cars are RHD and drive on the left -- same as in OZ.
Across the English Channel on the Continent (France, Spain etc) they drive on the right and driver sits on the left i.e. LHD cars.
So a UK RHD car on the Continent, the front passenger is sitting where the driver should be so the RHD driver can't see past the vehicle in front and has to rely on the passenger to say if it is OK or not.
Oh.. I see (scary stuff) :faint:
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1st time i drove in france i was on the right side of the road, but went round the roundabout the wrong way :scared: :lol:
the garlic cruncher coming towards me was none to pleased. :sweating:
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Paul, have a great trip, i've driven on right side of road in USA but was driving left hand drive, could not imagine what it would be like on back roads at night in a right hand drive car. :scared: :rofl:
in 1972 i drove 1,500mile from sydney to Townsville in Queensland ( next state up ) did that in 36hours on the roads we had then in a V8 Ute with a friend then did the return trip the same two days latter. no 24 hour servo's then & they had the tick gate on the Queensland boarder.
about a Year ago i had four in my i30 CRDi, took them 1,200k round trip, it pulled them easy and some big mountains to cross & some very rough back roads, could notice car sat lower but handling was ok ride was ok. i never saw speeds higher than 120KPH the economy will depend on the speeds you travel at. i averaged 5.2L 100k. did not have to re fill tank, filled up b4 Mascot airport, took the four of us 1,200K got two friends back to Airport a week latter then we went filled up on way home from airport.
will be interesting to hear about your trip.
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Cheers Lakes,
If you really want a laugh,the first time i drove to spain was on my bike and i did 1500 miles going down 200 miles more than i do it now lol, i know i got lost at one point, but 200 extra miles is one hell of a detour :lol:
done it so many times now that i can do it without a map no problem. the Madrid ring road is something else though. :mrgreen:
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Paul that 200mile would be 320k here now, that would be more than a full tank of fuel on my Harley :rofl:
Whats life like in Spain compared to GB ( apart from weather )? I love Spanish food, just i need to work it off the next day.
Cheers have a great trip. Check the water & oil level's just to be safe but my car never seems to use eather, last week out west i saw my outside temp gauge reading 41c but the CRDi did not seem to mind. also thought i would say if you need to use Airconditioning a lot that can effect economy, but i'd rather be compy than cooked.
Cheers m8
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Not a paella fan, but fortunately Chinese restaurants are really cheap in Spain, and Spanish wine is cheap,i buy a nice wine for 1 euro, just under £1. and Rioja is the dogs dangly bits :mrgreen:
But it is too hot in august and too cold in January :lol:
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Paul :rofl:
When i saw what you just posted, made me think of a Joke i was told a few years back, about a new arrival from Vietnam.....he had just got off the plane, saw a Hot Dog stand with sign..... Hot Dog's $2.
He said boy that is cheap i'll have two. When he saw what they were serving him up, he looked discusted, he said " That's the only part of the DOG we don't eat "! :lol:
Cheers
the wine sounds good.
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On our third tank in the SLX Auto Oiler and using an average of 6.5l/100km , being 300 Town and 400 Highway ks, for this tank so far.. Only got 3k on the clock so far so hoping for some improvement as the engine gets more ks on it..
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6.5 is not bad for a diesel as new as yours all the same... :goodjob:
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Ours has improved with every tank. Filled up this morning after 776km, and put in just over 50 Litres. Took a bloody long time to get that amount in though. It first clicked off around 47L or so. I was wondering if perhaps the wife isn't quite as diligent when filling as I am (read pedantic). Still, I was quite happy with near enough to 800km to the fuel light.
Is the fuel tank 53 litres? if so, it is a bit concerning that the light comes on with only 3L left. My bike has a bigger reserve than that!
Cheers,
GM
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Ours has improved with every tank. Filled up this morning after 776km, and put in just over 50 Litres. Took a bloody long time to get that amount in though. It first clicked off around 47L or so. I was wondering if perhaps the wife isn't quite as diligent when filling as I am (read pedantic). Still, I was quite happy with near enough to 800km to the fuel light.
Is the fuel tank 53 litres? if so, it is a bit concerning that the light comes on with only 3L left. My bike has a bigger reserve than that!
Cheers,
GM
GM i mostly always fill mine to the top every fill, thats one reason why i get around 1,100k to a tank full , unless i'm about to go on a long trip & i fill b4 light come on.
if light has come on and i fill to the top it will be 56 to 57 Lt, some people have tried there luck and say they drove 100k with the warning light on & got 60LT into tank, but 57Lt is most i think i've got in.
It seems to be easier to fill up useing premium diesel as less foaming, normal diesel foams up so need to wait for foam to go down, it's a bit like pulling a glass of beer from a keg.
hope this helps
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Just got back from a return trip to Albury from the Latrobe Valley in Gippsland, on the way over we went up through Omeo and over Mt Hotham,Bright etc. We covered 481.9 km for 30.46l of fuel, giving 6.32l/100km, I have yet to fill up from the return trip which we did via Mt Beauty, Falls Creek, Omeo, etc. It seems to have used less by the fuel guage but i wont know for sure till tomorrow.. Will post results when I get them..Gaz
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Just got back from a return trip to Albury from the Latrobe Valley in Gippsland, on the way over we went up through Omeo and over Mt Hotham,Bright etc. We covered 481.9 km for 30.46l of fuel, giving 6.32l/100km, I have yet to fill up from the return trip which we did via Mt Beauty, Falls Creek, Omeo, etc. It seems to have used less by the fuel guage but i wont know for sure till tomorrow.. Will post results when I get them..Gaz
Sounds like a great trip, Gaz. I've been itching to do the Great Alpine Road for a while now.....how was it? :goodjob:
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Just got back from a return trip to Albury from the Latrobe Valley in Gippsland, on the way over we went up through Omeo and over Mt Hotham,Bright etc. We covered 481.9 km for 30.46l of fuel, giving 6.32l/100km, I have yet to fill up from the return trip which we did via Mt Beauty, Falls Creek, Omeo, etc. It seems to have used less by the fuel guage but i wont know for sure till tomorrow.. Will post results when I get them..Gaz
Sounds like a great trip, Gaz. I've been itching to do the Great Alpine Road for a while now.....how was it? :goodjob:
Was a great trip, took us 8 hours but we stopped for probably an hour all up. Road is good all the way barring a 20mtr dirt section under repair.....Much better than the Hume thats for sure.
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Thanks Gaz :goodjob:
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Well I got around to filling the tank after our trip home from Albury via Mt Beauty / Falls Creek etc. I filled it up on the way home from melbourne last night, the missus also drove it around town for 9 days while I was away at work.
Total combined Km was 872.4, 56.14ltrs, 6.43l/100km and 15.53km/l not bad for the type of driving we did over that terrain.
I'm loving the "Little Oiler" more each time i drive it.... cheers Gaz
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Finally managed to get a big fill done. Got 56L into the little blighter. Had the light come on at 715km on the last tank (heavy traffic all week), but I know this is the first time the tank has had more than 50L put in, so the fuel consuption will be way off. I am hopeful with a bit of a rest from grid lock traffic we might get close to the 1000km mark.
Am I strange for finding this all terribly exciting? :-\
GM
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No mate perfectly normal :goodjob: It's funny when I was much younger economy was very important to since I had little money being a student, 35 years later and its turning me on again :lol:
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Am I strange for finding this all terribly exciting? :-\
It's a bit like money .. seems to get easier after the first 1000 :goodjob:
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So it seems a new diesel engine needs to be run in for ~1,000kms before you get the full economy and power?
Does this mean I chip the car after it's been run in?
Thanks!
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Hi Morrigan.
I think technically it wouldn't do the car any harm to get chipped from brand new, but I waited until the initial 1000km 'service' had been performed. They don't do anything engine wise - as far as I'm aware it's just to make sure their little Korean chums didn't leave any bolts loose.
The car probably won't be properly run in until about 15,000km from reading peoples impressions on the forum.
My 2c.
GM
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15,000kms is a year of breaking in.
Damn, I better plan some driving holidays to the country ;o)
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Well i have filled the oiler again this time 984.2 km from 64.29 ltrs. Not all in one tankfull, the missus put $20.00 worth in on Thursday before she headed to Berwick(no faith in the computer) .
The results this time are:15.75km/l and 6.34l/100, a mix of freeway and town driving, after 8 fills we are averaging 15.60km/l and 6.40l/100km.
I really need to just get on the road and drive without stopping to see what it'll get. maybe a trip to Perth might do the trick...Gaz
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Got another big fill done. Wifey even did it this time. I was so proud! :goodjob:
59.05L Woolworths/Caltex Premium Diesel
851km
~6.9L/100
14.41km/L
I also sent an email to my Hyundai dealer, asking for the exact fuel level (ie litres left) that turns the fuel light on. I know it is an exact amount (give or take a few mL of course). On my bikes, when it hits reserve or the fuel light comes on, I know I have 4 litres left. No questions or vague guesses. That's the amount. :exclaim:
The email I got back from the dealer said (paraphrasing) - the light is only a guide, and generally there will be 5-6L left. ???
This didn't fill me with confidence. I really wasn't after generalisations. I would have much preferred "There is 9.42893L left in the tank". And so I emailed Hyundai Australia. I am yet to hear back from them, but I bloody want to know!! :twisted:
Apologies for the rant, and the long post.
Cheers,
GM
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Gee you are a bit of a hard head :lol: (no offence meant..)
This won't give you an exact answer :confused: but this thread suggests around 6-7 litres left .. about 120 kms in Diesel Manual in average conditions..
https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=6171.0 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=6171.0)
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G'day GM,
The dealer is probably right in saying that the light comes on within a range. The exact amount will depend on a lot of variables, for example, if the car is on a slope one way or another, accelerating or braking (in one of my previous cars, if the light came on and I did a right hand turn, the light went off, the amount of fuel left didn't change), this is to do with the position of the sensor. It will also depend on the temperature of the day (thermal expansion of the fuel), the specific gravity of the fuel (it does vary slightly between fills and bowsers). Also, the total size of the tank will mean the error that the light comes on will increase.
Another example I can give is from my former job, the low fuel warning light would come on when there was between 540 - 660 lbs of fuel left in the tanks (this was a 120 lb difference). That was as accurate as they could get!! And I am talking about running out of fuel in a helicopter (not conducive to longevity), not stopping beside the road. :scared:
Basically, take the light as what it is intended to mean, you are getting low on fuel and you had better put some more in soon. Don't worry about how much exactly is left.
Sorry if that is a bit negative, but the light is only a guide.
FatBoy
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Fatboy,
I know it is only meant as a guide, but I just wanted someone in the know to tell me, rather than all of us guess and estimate.
And it turns out that the dealer was fairly correct, but now I have it from Hyundai itself as a definitive answer.
"Good morning Mr Parmenter,
Please note when the fuel light comes on the dash there is approximately 10% of fuel remaining in the 53litre tank.
Once the light is illuminated then it is recommended to stop at your closest fuel station. As the load onto the engine, such as air con, towing or carry extra loads may affect the range of fuel left.
Kind regards,
Hyundai Motor Company Australia"
^^^^That there was what I was after. So let's say approx. 5.3L left after the light comes on. That's all I wanted. Now we know exact litres. Problem solvered. I'm not going to bet my left one that I'll get XXXkm after the light, but at least I can say to the wife, you'll get 75km safely after the light, and be confident.
Anywho,
That's me done for a bit.
GM
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Not sure if it't the same over there but we get three warnings - The light, then the Flashing trip computer and then the dreaded moment when it gives up shouting at you and switches the display off altogether. I've had that happen a couple of times.
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Lorian,
mine is only an SX, so no trip computer.
GM
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@ Green Machine:
I like definitive answers too, but for each and every car you can only get the true answer by going for a run from when the light in your car comes on till it stops, hopefully with a jerry can in the boot.
I have run out of fuel on road bikes more than once, and I have no intention of repeating the experience in a car... :D
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Not sure if it't the same over there but we get three warnings - The light, then the Flashing trip computer and then the dreaded moment when it gives up shouting at you and switches the display off altogether.
I've only ever had the light.
Don't remember reading about the other 2 in the Handbook, will check later, but at what stage do the other 2 come into action?
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If I recall correctly When it estimates fifty miles to empty the display flashes. When it estimates twenty five miles to go it blanks the display completely.
Sent from my ZTE-BLADE
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If I recall correctly When it estimates fifty miles to empty the display flashes. When it estimates twenty five miles to go it blanks the display completely.
That is interesting ...When we had CRDi with trip computer (CW doesn't have one) The distance remaining used to go to -- when less than 50 KILOMETRES remaining... I did more than 30kms once with those dashes going and they didn't disappear :question:
It is a surprise that with you good folks it does the same at 50 MILES (which is approx 80 Kms) :eek:
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Got my new car has 800km on the clock 780 from fill reset computer when i filled it and got 5.5l/100 on the computer very happy. I drive 140kms to work and back each day highway and some light city (Newcastle) so from a new car this is great. My partners car does only city commutes on the NSW Central Coast and she gets 6.2l/100 for hers with 12000 on the clock. When i took hers to work one trip only i got 4.9 by the computer. We love our I30's
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It's all good spot :goodjob: (thanks for sharing)...
Only one thing better than an i30 and that is 2 x i30's :mrgreen:
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Well after 11667km and 15 fills we finally cracked the 1000km for a tank. Actually did 1003.1 for 55.18 ltrs which equates to 5.50l/100km and 18.17km/l .
About 780km was short town driving with the rest being a trip to Fountain Gate and back...
Much impressed with the car and i reckon the cheap chip is doing it's bit to help, along with the 2 stroke and injector cleaner mix........ Cheers Gaz
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We did our first road trip on the queens birthday long weekend. Drove from Brisbane up to Gladstone, then to Rocky, back to Gladstone, before heading home.
Fuel light came on 9km south of Gympie at 1,123km.
Fuelled up at 1,125km at the Matilda servo, and put in 55.14L giving us 4.9L/100km.
very please with that. I've had 59L in it at one fill, so I think we could have easily gotten 1200km. During the drive up, I sat on all the speed limits + a little more, and at one point, did $1.40 for a few k's in an extended overtaking move. I took it a little easier on the way back, but still extremely pleased with the results.
Ordered a K&N which should arrive soon, so wondering if that may improve the economy an small increment more.
Cheers,
GM
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i'm hoping when we get to do a decent trip we'll improve even more, but for an auto, i'm rapt in it so far..
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Great feedback thanks guys :goodjob:
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Well another update on fuel economy, the car now has 20400km and having not reset the l/100km for the last 6000km we are averageing 5.6l/100, not too bad for an auto i think. Still using the 2 stroke and injector cleaner mix each tank as well..
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When are you going to press reset to see what great figures you must be achieving now. I wish ours were that good. :neutral:
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Well another update on fuel economy, the car now has 20400km and having not reset the l/100km for the last 6000km we are averageing 5.6l/100, not too bad for an auto i think. Still using the 2 stroke and injector cleaner mix each tank as well..
What's your average speed reading?
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Well another update on fuel economy, the car now has 20400km and having not reset the l/100km for the last 6000km we are averageing 5.6l/100, not too bad for an auto i think. Still using the 2 stroke and injector cleaner mix each tank as well..
What's your average speed reading?
I guessing its about 250 words a minute... :whistler:
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I guessing its about 250 words a minute... :whistler:
:lol:
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Well another update on fuel economy, the car now has 20400km and having not reset the l/100km for the last 6000km we are averageing 5.6l/100, not too bad for an auto i think. Still using the 2 stroke and injector cleaner mix each tank as well..
Thats great economy for an auto! i have not followed the thread i'm just trying to work out why your useing 2 stroke? and what do you mean by 2 stroke? like the 2 stroke oil mix? whats the principal of useing 2 stroke?
ps i know an old guy thats been driving diesels a long time & i once saw him put a vitamin C tablet into his diesel fuel tank. LOL all i could think of was it's probably got acid in the tablet.