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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => DIESEL => Topic started by: z24o on April 06, 2013, 02:53:42
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Hi Guys,
Have used this forum in the past when I installed my new headlights.....great sticky with pics
I have searched the data base and tried the recommended possibilities with no luck.....but did by chance find out that the mechanic had left my air valve plug off when he changed the oil filter!
My wife parked up our i30 CRD last night and this morning it won't start
It turns over and seems to fire then instantly dies
I have->.....
1-tried the spare key
2-checked for obvious loose/damaged wiring under the bonnet
3-tried locking/unlocking the doors
4-leaving it and try starting again
It has half a tank of diesel
The immobiliser dash symbol comes on with ignition and goes off with cranking
There is a low pitch whining noise around the left side of the engine bay area with the ignition on that turns to 3 beeps when the ignition is turned off and the key removed.
It is a 1.6 CRD so I don't think it has a lift pump before the fuel injection pump according to another post
Does anyone have any ideas of what the problem could be?
Living in a rural area means over an hours tow to a dealership.
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Glow plug fuse or some other glow plug calamity?
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Glow plug fuse or some other glow plug calamity?
I checked all the simple fuses such as ECU's but didn't see anything related to glow plugs?
Am I looking in the wrong spot....main fuse box on passenger side of engine bay?
I am more familiar with older diesels that will start without glowing in warmer weather,does the i30 CRD rely heavily on glow plugs to start? It does seem to fire initially but won't run
Thanks
PS is the three beeps normal operation when you turn the ignition off?
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Pity you don't have OBDII, there is most likely an error code logged. The three beeps is not normal at all.
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Hi z240,
Just found your post. Have you tried to see if the Dealer can diagnose by phone?
I'm in Tassie too but only about 6kms from a Motors outlet, fortunately.
You seem to have a fairly good understanding of your car, hopefully you have got it going now :confused:
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hey Dazz,I will give it a shot,but I have never found any mechanic shops that try and solve your problem whilst doing themselves out of a job,but you never know
I will keep the forum posted of the outcome as it really sh1ts me when you read a post about a problem where guys suggest things and the original poster never bothers to say if it was resolved,just plain rude I reckon :rolleyes:
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Just a thought seeing as you are so far out. Good luck!
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G'day mate,
We had an Iload at work do the same thing. Turned out it was the key. Given you have tried the spare key, I suspect it might be the thing that receives the encoded signal from the key.
I believe I have read something on here about this failing before, though I wouldn't know where to start looking for it.
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G'day mate,
We had an Iload at work do the same thing. Turned out it was the key. Given you have tried the spare key, I suspect it might be the thing that receives the encoded signal from the key.
I believe I have read something on here about this failing before, though I wouldn't know where to start looking for it.
One of my key's had to have a new chip.
The spare worked fine.
Have you tried new battery?
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Hi z240
Welcome to the forum.
It turns over and seems to fire then instantly dies
Does this mean the car runs for 1-3 seconds and then dies.. :question:
I don't know how the immobiliser Works on the Hyundai, but on VW's it's like this:
Car will start, but if the ECU find out that the key used is not coded correct, then the engine will stop within 3 seconds.
If this is what you experience, then I'm sure it is an immobiliser problem.
As you've allready tried the other key, the problem could be the reader at the ignition key slot, like Beerman says.
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Hi again z24o,
Just had another thought! (can't manage 2 in one day!)
Why not try disconnecting one terminal of the battery for 30 mins or so.. you will have to reset the clock and the radio but might also reset the immobilizer. I have a feeling this could fix the problem :fingers:
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Disconnecting battery for 30 minutes failed to rectify the problem.
Just wondering if the immobilizer failed,does this disable the ignition (ie won't crank over/lights on dash won't work) or does it stop the fuel??
The motor cranks over and seems to fire for a split second then dies.
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Disconnecting battery for 30 minutes failed to rectify the problem.
Just wondering if the immobilizer failed,does this disable the ignition (ie won't crank over/lights on dash won't work) or does it stop the fuel??
The motor cranks over and seems to fire for a split second then dies.
Just to help you clarify a something, I add these insights. When a key chip failed for me several years ago, the motto would crank over but would not fire, not once. Therefore if your vehicle is firing at all, I would rule out a key problem. The VW scenario described by Asterix is not how the Hyundai works.
Someone's probably already suggested it, but have you access to an OBD2 device to look for error codes?
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Disconnecting battery for 30 minutes failed to rectify the problem.
Just wondering if the immobilizer failed,does this disable the ignition (ie won't crank over/lights on dash won't work) or does it stop the fuel??
The motor cranks over and seems to fire for a split second then dies.
The Iload did the same thing. Was better once I put the key that worked in, almost sounded like it would work. I suspect at that point it asked for the code and didn't get it so it shut it down. This is why I suspect it is the reader at the ignition. The key sends the code, but the reader dosen't read it. So the imobalizer shuts it down.
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Thanks for the replies
When the immobiliser fails does the orange dash symbol (key/car)stay on after you have tried cranking it or not?
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Damn, I really wanted to help :Pout:
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Problem identified!!
Yesterday I found a possum(unfortunately too late for possum vs fan blade) in the engine bay of my dozer
This got me thinking........on further examination under the engine cover I found A RAT HAD CHEWED THE WIRES
I temporarily wired it back up and the engine started :)
Does anyone know what that part does?
The engine check light (emissions) and ESP Off light remain on.....any ideas?
Thanks guys :goodjob2:
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u93/Z24O/Gorsestuff219.jpg)
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Sorry, can't help with the wiring issue but really glad you found the problem :goodjob: :happydance:
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Looks like the common rail pressure sensor.
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The plug looks like the one you disconnect to fit a tuning chip, so it's to do with fuel injection. The big thick bundle of cables above, is headed to the car's ECU, which is the plastic shell on the side of the motor.
Glad you found the problem, sorry we didn't think of it. :confused:
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The plug looks like the one you disconnect to fit a tuning chip, so it's to do with fuel injection. The big thick bundle of cables above, is headed to the car's ECU, which is the plastic shell on the side of the motor.
Glad you found the problem, sorry we didn't think of it. :confused:
Yeah you lot. :disapp:
Go stand in the corner for an hour. :happydance:
Great news z240. At least you can drive it to the dealers now.
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How on earth would the rat have got there? Jumped onto the suspension then climbed upward?
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Yes, happens too often here on farms, harvesters are a prime target, especially if there's any grain around. They start on the grain , then the wiring.
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It's not called "rat cunning" for nothing :lol:
apparently they chew plastic to wear their teeth down so they don't get too long
I bought a Navara that had been parked up a while and it had the brake fluid reservoir chewed off!
Just finished baiting the garage....revenge is so sweet
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It's not called "rat cunning" for nothing :lol:
apparently they chew plastic to wear their teeth down so they don't get too long
I bought a Navara that had been parked up a while and it had the brake fluid reservoir chewed off!
Just finished baiting the garage....revenge is so sweet
You know he has friends......
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I've previously had rats in the engine bay of my last i30.
Until I called "The Exterminators." :D
Apparently they are creatures of habit and once they develop routes or pathways, they will continue to use the same ones and WILL come back, until removed.
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Glad to hear you found the problem... :goodjob:
It's not the rail pressure sensor, as this sensor is placed in the topcover / valvecover, whatever you Guys call it.
The commomrail high pressure rail is located just below the Picture... :P
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It's not the rail pressure sensor, as this sensor is placed in the topcover / valvecover, whatever you Guys call it.
If you look you'll see he's removed the engine top cover. That chewed wire is connected to the same sensor point that I used to connect my tuningbox to.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/Gorsestuff219.jpg)
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Hey Steve
Found one of Instroe's pic's on the www.
The blue square is the sensor that z240 had problems with. The sensor in the rail shown here is where my Racechip was connected.
The red lines are from Instroe's instructions, don't mind them.
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t370/Rasnik-1/i30engine_zpsd80ad002.jpg)
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I've just dug out my old thread on this (here) (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=1066.msg10333#msg10333) and I offer my apologies - you are quite right Asterix.
This was the pic I took of my tuningbox connector - it's where you said.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/i30/100_0662.jpg)
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:whsaid: Same plug, tricked me too. Well done, Asterix :goodjob2:
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....so what is the plug that the rat chewed for?
And is it ok to drive the car with the engine check light on,I believe it is to do with emissions?
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Provided the wiring has been repaired, insulated and secured properly, what does it matter. The engine check light is probably the result of a stored fault code, which will need to be cleared by software. Remember, there really was a fault when the wires were chewed.
A detailed inspection need to be performed to ensure the rats haven't done damage that's unseen.
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And is it ok to drive the car with the engine check light on,I believe it is to do with emissions?
As Phil says, if you could get your hands on an OBDII dongle (I have one - it costs peanuts) and some software (I use a package on my smartphone) you could clear the trouble code yourself. If the code returned, you'd have to investigate further but I think it'd stay off if you cleared it.
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Final chapter
Drove the car to the dealer,they patched in and soldered an extra length of wire into the plug and cleared the fault codes
Hey presto,good as new
Thanks for all your help
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^-- did they charge you much?
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^-- did they charge you much?
:whsaid:
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Any official comment on what the exact wire that was chewed was connected to?
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^-- did they charge you much?
$115
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Any official comment on what the exact wire that was chewed was connected to?
Cam sensor
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^-- did they charge you much?
$115
couldn’t you say it was a feature of the car - like the nodding dog you put on the rear parcel shelf.
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Is that an insurance situation at all. $115 for a rat. :argh:
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Is that an insurance situation at all. $115 for a rat. :argh:
Not unless z240 had an excess free policy (unlikely) :disapp:
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Is that an insurance situation at all. $115 for a rat. :argh:
Not unless z240 had an excess free policy (unlikely) :disapp:
Correct....went down that path ....and I'm $400 better off,not to mention being back on the road a week sooner
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I've just dug out my old thread on this (here) (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=1066.msg10333#msg10333) and I offer my apologies - you are quite right Asterix.
This was the pic I took of my tuningbox connector - it's where you said.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/i30/100_0662.jpg)
:whsaid: Same plug, tricked me too. Well done, Asterix :goodjob2:
I just looove when I'm right... :happydance: :snigger: :snigger:
...and hard to convince when I'm not.. :mrgreen:
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We had a similar problem with squirrels at our place. My friend even had them build a nest in his VW, which resulted in all the grass and wood chips catching fire when the engine got hot!!
The simple fix for it, is to get some dryer sheets (Downy, Bounce, etc.) and Attach it to places under the hood where it won't catch fire. The smell is strong enough that it will keep animals away!
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Was in a shed once bedding down cattle with straw looked round to see a cow chewing all the wires off the starter motor on the tractor ,had to use another tractor and a chain to tow it out the shed as it could not be started
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:eek: :(