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Title: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 10, 2016, 18:11:49
Will,  the trip to Italy isnt going as planed.
Yesterday there was a strange sound from the engine. This morning I added 1,5 liter coolant. After 250 km on our way ud the motorway  in the mountains the engine temp went up. After cooldown I could add another 1,5 liter coolant.
The car is now towed to the nearest Hy dealer and we are at a campsite somewhere in Austria. .:-(
Title: Re: My bad Lucky continues
Post by: asathorny on July 10, 2016, 18:29:35
Oh dear, I hope it is a simple fix  :Shocked: :Shocked: :Shocked: :sweating: :sweating: :sweating:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: eye30 on July 10, 2016, 20:54:46
Hope it is a simple fix so you can get on with your holiday.

Ps does your breakdown cover include a hire vehicle if they need to keep it for fix?
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Lakes on July 10, 2016, 23:07:28
Hope simple fix & you get back to your trip.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 10, 2016, 23:18:31
Oh no  :'(
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 10, 2016, 23:28:08
Bugger! Not good Henning (to say the least) Assume when they replaced the head they didn't tighten it enough? Head gasket?? Like the others have said, hope you find someone who can help you fix it quickly and painlessly...  :disapp:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Paolo5 on July 11, 2016, 00:53:11
So sorry to hear this...hope there is a simple explanation/fix.. :disapp:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 11, 2016, 03:33:05
Hope it works out quickly and cheaply for you. 
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on July 11, 2016, 03:50:20
There's oil in the coolant reservoir, that shouldn't be there after a head removal. Will have a talk to the workshop tomorrow, but might wait with too aggressive complaints until I receive the invoice... :confused:

(Quotet from previous topic)
What was their response?

Did you check the oil? Was there any sings of coolant and oil mixing? I am getting a feeling that they might not have done a good job with the head change...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: xiziz on July 13, 2016, 17:07:52
That sucks!

Lucky Austria is a nice country too, I have very good memories from when we stopped by on the way home from Italy for a few days.

Lets hope you are on the road soon again!
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: John B on July 14, 2016, 07:50:17
Not good I hope you can sort it out soon.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: diesel1984 on July 15, 2016, 14:30:12
Will,  the trip to Italy isnt going as planed.
Yesterday there was a strange sound from the engine. This morning I added 1,5 liter coolant. After 250 km on our way ud the motorway  in the mountains the engine temp went up. After cooldown I could add another 1,5 liter coolant.
The car is now towed to the nearest Hy dealer and we are at a campsite somewhere in Austria. .:-(

Ok.

So you have done 254.000km with original water pump??

Yes, and I have no intensions of replacing it before it stop working...  :mrgreen:

:link: 1.6 CRDI water pump and timing chain (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=40241.0)

I think this is your problem,water pump and thermostat.. this items should be replaced before 100.000km.
Cost was 39Eur for hepu water pump and 10Eur for wahler thermostat when i changed mine..
 

Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 16, 2016, 15:06:53
Will,  the trip to Italy isnt going as planed.
Yesterday there was a strange sound from the engine. This morning I added 1,5 liter coolant. After 250 km on our way ud the motorway  in the mountains the engine temp went up. After cooldown I could add another 1,5 liter coolant.
The car is now towed to the nearest Hy dealer and we are at a campsite somewhere in Austria. .:-(

Ok.

So you have done 254.000km with original water pump??

Yes, and I have no intensions of replacing it before it stop working...  :mrgreen:

:link: 1.6 CRDI water pump and timing chain (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=40241.0)

I think this is your problem,water pump and thermostat.. this items should be replaced before 100.000km.
Cost was 39Eur for hepu water pump and 10Eur for wahler thermostat when i changed mine..

 Don't think so. My last car did 335.000 on original thermostat and waterpump.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 16, 2016, 15:20:59
Well the dealer in  Austria checked the cooling system and found nothing wrong.

I asked them to remove the thermostat so we could move on. We did the last 260 km the  next day and it used another 1.5 liter  coolant.

Yesterday I fitted a bottle at the overflow hose on the coolant reservoir. We did a short trip of around 30 km and there was coolant in the bottle.  Could the fault be as simple as a filler cap letting the pressure out at a too low pressure...?
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: CraigB on July 16, 2016, 15:39:05
For the low cost of a new radiator cap it's worth a try :Good_luck:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 16, 2016, 21:51:52
For the low cost of a new radiator cap it's worth a try :Good_luck:
But could the added back pressure finish off the head gasket and kill the motor :sweating:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 17, 2016, 02:23:07
Assuming the new cap is the correct pressure rating there won't be any added back pressure. Water boils at higher temps when pressurised, so if the cap has failed that would allow water to escape prematurely due to lack of pressure and lower boiling point.  :exclaim:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on July 17, 2016, 04:14:23
Precisely. Many people think a boiling point is fixed in temperature but pressure always plays a part. It's common nomenclature to rate things in the sciences, even weight for a given material, using STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure). It's been a long time, so I could be wrong, but I recall 1 litre of water will weigh 1 kg at 1 standard atmosphere of pressure and at 277 Kelvin, which is just under 4 deg C. Hence pressure plays on water's density and ability to change state to a gas (boil). Consider dry ice boiling at room temperature across 2 states directly from solid to gas!

The transition to gas absorbs energy because it is needed to break the molecular bonds keeping the liquid together, hence evaporation, even in the hot sun, gives a cooling effect. However, this is undesirable in a heat exchanger like our cars have because we need the water in liquid form to work effectively. The coolant is a mixture of water and anti-boil / anti-freeze chemicals, although any mixture of chemicals with different densities will provide this broader range, a bit like oil viscosity ratings.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 17, 2016, 04:22:07
Thanks for those explanations. I hope they get Henning and Irene home...  :sweating:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 17, 2016, 06:31:34
I'm waiting for Monday morning where the Hy dealer opens... :sweating:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 17, 2016, 11:50:23
A question for you guys; if it turns out not to be the radiator cap, what else can make the coolant escape via the overflow..?
The dealer pressure tested the system and I haven't noticed white smoke...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: tw2005 on July 17, 2016, 12:30:05
Is the thermo fan working? Travelling the mountains, is that at low speeds , lower gears, higher RPM? Is it running cooler at say highway speeds?

Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 17, 2016, 14:14:19
Is the thermo fan working? Travelling the mountains, is that at low speeds , lower gears, higher RPM? Is it running cooler at say highway speeds?
Checked by the dealer in Austria and found ok. He had it running at 2000 rpm for 1 hour. I had him remove the thermostat so it shouldn't be hot enough to start the fan. The temp only went high 1 time before the thermostat was removed. Never after.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: diesel1984 on July 18, 2016, 08:55:06
Pressure test system, if that test passed check for exhaust fumes in coolant bottle(hy service should have fume tester).
If that's ok.
Check thermostat, water pump(small overflow hole onder pulley), hoses, clamps, bottle cap, egr cooler, small and big radiator for leakage.
Increase pressure test bar/psi for 0.5-1bar on the bottle. Check with hot engine not cold.
Check and inspect radiator for sludge if 2 coolants mixed (red and green).
Check radiator visually.

Check rad fan for operation, check ac fan operation.

If all that tests passed and are ok. You are safe to go.

Let's say 1.5 working hours with coolant flushing and changing.

My guess is something with head gasket assembly as you recently removed it..
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 18, 2016, 10:06:15
Pressure test system, if that test passed check for exhaust fumes in coolant bottle(hy service should have fume tester).
If that's ok.
Check thermostat, water pump(small overflow hole onder pulley), hoses, clamps, bottle cap, egr cooler, small and big radiator for leakage.
Increase pressure test bar/psi for 0.5-1bar on the bottle. Check with hot engine not cold.
Check and inspect radiator for sludge if 2 coolants mixed (red and green).
Check radiator visually.

Check rad fan for operation, check ac fan operation.

If all that tests passed and are ok. You are safe to go.

Let's say 1.5 working hours with coolant flushing and changing.

My guess is something with head gasket assembly as you recently removed it..

All that checked by dealer in Austria and found ok. Coolant changed 1 week before we left home.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 18, 2016, 10:17:01
Just came back from the Hyundai dealer in Verona , 30 km from here.
Of course they didn't have the cap on stock, so need to go back tomorrow.

What a sad experience. Noone there spoke English or German. If I hadn't had a photo of the part I needed they would be totally lost.

Came by a Kia dealer, same shit....
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 18, 2016, 10:27:07
Enjoy your wifi by the pool for another day.   :)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 18, 2016, 10:53:06
 :Dunno: :disapp:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 18, 2016, 11:10:02
Aw c'mon, Dazz.
You laughed too.  :P
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 18, 2016, 11:18:34
Aw c'mon, Dazz.
You laughed too.  :P

Didn't have a problem with your joke.. just sad for Henning! It's bad enough having no power for a few hours (at tea time!) I'd hate to be 1750 kms away from home with a crook car!  :crazy1:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: tw2005 on July 18, 2016, 11:19:47
You'd think someone would have a 1.1 bar or 16psi radiator cap. Subaru Forester 2005 -2014 uses same spec(here at least)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 18, 2016, 11:20:28
Aw c'mon, Dazz.
You laughed too.  :P

Didn't have a problem with your joke.. just sad for Henning! It's bad enough having no power for a few hours (at tea time!) I'd hate to be 1750 kms away from home with a crook car!  :crazy1:

 :agreed:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 18, 2016, 11:56:16
Only positive was the girl at the reception desk. She was very very pretty..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 18, 2016, 11:57:20
Only positive was the girl at the reception desk. She was very very pretty..  :mrgreen:

Pics or it didn't happen.    :D
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 19, 2016, 12:28:50
Just went back from the Hy dealer. I'm a little puzzled.

On our trip to the dealer, 30 km, the overflow bottle was full. 0.5 liter. At the dealer I changed the coolant cap. As the engine was now at operating temp I  couldn't fill all the "overflow" coolant back into the coolant reservoir.
When back home at the campsite there was only a little coolant in my overflow bottle.

I'm not sure what to think. Will now let the engine cool off for some hours and take a swim i  the Lake Garda. Later I will check  coolant level and go for another test drive.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 19, 2016, 12:34:18
 :undecided: Bit of a tricky one! Thanks for keeping us posted Henning.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 19, 2016, 12:39:57
Sounds like head gasket to me.   :disapp:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: asathorny on July 19, 2016, 12:44:19
Or maybe it was an airlock which cleared and therefor reduced the amount in the overflow tank.  Always trying to look in the bright side of life  :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 19, 2016, 13:02:50
Once stopped with a hot engine, engine temp increases, filling the overflow bottle. If allowed to cool, that fluid will be reintroduced to the cooling system due to liquid contraction. When driving, the coolant is regulated @ about 80 Deg C I believe and if you check the coolant overflow immediately after driving, the engine temp will not have had time to rise sufficiently to expel the coolant to the bottle.

Best procedure would be to ensure that the bottle is at max when cold then drive the car and recheck again after engine has completely cooled.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: eye30 on July 19, 2016, 16:36:58
Any signs fluid escaping from overfill bottle relief tube. Not the return to the rad but the other
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: baroudeur on July 19, 2016, 17:19:24
Just came back from the Hyundai dealer in Verona , 30 km from here.
Of course they didn't have the cap on stock, so need to go back tomorrow.

What a sad experience. Noone there spoke English or German. If I hadn't had a photo of the part I needed they would be totally lost.

Came by a Kia dealer, same shit....

What's wrong with pointing at the item required on another car? 

Go to the opera in the Verona ampitheatre absolutely stunning  even for  non-opera fans.  Starts on Friday with Carmen. Take your own cushion and wine!
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 21, 2016, 23:01:34
Hi Guys. We're now back home in Denmark, but it was a long trip, ca 1700 km, when we have to stop for 1,5 hours every 250 km for the engine to cool down enough so I could add 1,5-2,0 liter water again...  :sweating:

Been on the road for 15 hours today so I'm tired now, will give more details tomorrow.

I think I here have the proof for exhaust gasses on the coolant:

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t370/Rasnik-1/i30%20repairs/20160721_161505_zps5wa55b22.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/Rasnik-1/media/i30%20repairs/20160721_161505_zps5wa55b22.jpg.html)

This is the bottle I added to find out if and how much coolant was thrown out of the coolant reservoir:

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t370/Rasnik-1/i30%20repairs/20160718_092139_zpszkket775.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/Rasnik-1/media/i30%20repairs/20160718_092139_zpszkket775.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 22, 2016, 00:59:01
Back to the workshop to do the job properly, But now the head will most likely need machining  :'(
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on July 22, 2016, 02:02:43
Back in the daze, that meant lower cylinder capacity for more compression for more power.  :lol:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 22, 2016, 02:20:00
I know it sounds stupid, but I would have rigged a gravity fed self replenishing coolant system to drive that far home.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on July 22, 2016, 03:42:40
Happy to hear you got home safely. I hope you'll get it sorted out with the workshop without any hassle.

Might not have been one of the most pleasent holiday trips, but I think it was one of the most memoriable.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 22, 2016, 07:06:10
What sundiz said! A lesser car wouldn't have made it! :goodjob:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Paolo5 on July 22, 2016, 07:15:46
What sundiz said! A lesser car wouldn't have made it! :goodjob:

I agree with Daz! :D....and Sundiz!
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 22, 2016, 10:26:18
I know it sounds stupid, but I would have rigged a gravity fed self replenishing coolant system to drive that far home.

How.. :question:

The pressure from the combustion would have blown the coolant out of the cooling system anyway.. :confused:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 22, 2016, 10:27:26
What sundiz said! A lesser car wouldn't have made it! :goodjob:

I agree with Daz! :D....and Sundiz!

Must admit I'm very impressed with the little CRDi engine to cope with this stress.... :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 22, 2016, 10:30:40
UPDATE.

Went to the dealer this morning and actually talked to the guy who did the repair prior to our vacation. You should have seen his sad face when he saw the blacked coolant reservoir.... he knew what that means. 

I will get a loan car later today and then will see what happens. The workshop is closed for vacation next week, so will take some time.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: eye30 on July 22, 2016, 10:45:07
So have they said what work they will do and cost if not covered

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Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: diesel1984 on July 22, 2016, 11:36:06
UPDATE.

Went to the dealer this morning and actually talked to the guy who did the repair prior to our vacation. You should have seen his sad face when he saw the blacked coolant reservoir.... he knew what that means. 

I will get a loan car later today and then will see what happens. The workshop is closed for vacation next week, so will take some time.

This service.. they must stand behind their work so they will probably repair your car for free.

Probably head skimming and new head gasket. If you plan to keep your car for some time it will be good to check valve seating on pressure tester and rebuild if needed.
Also check timing chain for stretching and chain plastic guides for cracks. They are cheap to replace when head is off.


 
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cleid on July 23, 2016, 00:13:57
So what is the suspected cause? Can someone break it down for a layman?  :)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 23, 2016, 00:21:35
So what is the suspected cause? Can someone break it down for a layman?  :)
Asterix (Henning) who was a VW  service tech in a previous life.. had at least 2 glow plugs which wouldn't budge when he tried to change them. Even his local service facility couldn't get them out. So, a second hand head was sourced and swapped over. Unfortunately something appears to have now gone wrong ( head gasket maybe?)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cleid on July 23, 2016, 01:11:27
Oh, I remember the glow plugs post. Just didn't connect the dots, thanks.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 23, 2016, 07:30:24
I don't think it's the gasket, but the head.
The problem occors when operating temperature is reached. This make me believe there's a crack in the head. The used head was machined and pressure tested, but of course that was done when cold. Even valve seats was machined. I think the workshop has done what most would do to ensure the used part was ok, but now they will have to claim the wrecker where they bought the head or it will  be something for their insurace to cover. I don't care, I just don't expect to pay anything further...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on July 23, 2016, 08:32:58
Fair enough Henning. Hope it gets resolved amicably..  :sweating:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: eye30 on July 23, 2016, 08:49:27
You could always get a bike and join me in my ventures while you wait the repair

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Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on July 23, 2016, 09:22:48
You could always get a bike and join me in my ventures while you wait the repair

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I have a very fine bike. It's the engine that's slow..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 02, 2016, 06:49:24
Advice needed, please.

Went to talk to the dealer yesterday. He had taken contact to where he got the used head and they are investigating how to proceed. I'm ok with that.

However, the owner of the dealer told me; we can't be sure it's the head or gasket that's the faulty part. Now this is where I get a little  :evil:  To that sounds like he's trying to avoid the warranty repair and looking for a reason to bill me the work.

Please advice: There is exhaust gasses in the cooling reservoir, which means there's a leak from the combustion chamber to the cooling. If not somewhere in the head or in the head gasket, where else....?  If it would be in the block how would that suddenly show just because the head have been replaced..?

My POV: When I parked my car at the dealer the only defect was that I couldn't remove the glow plugs.

I might take the problems before they are real, but I really don't like the approach on this from the owner.. :twisted:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2016, 09:05:51
If there was a leak in any other place than the head, wouldn't there be evidence of water in the oil  :exclaim:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 02, 2016, 09:19:15
If there was a leak in any other place than the head, wouldn't there be evidence of water in the oil  :exclaim:

I think it would have evaporated since I was towing the van and engine was warm. We only did very few short trips.

But, if there was water leaking into the oil the water wouldn't be let out of the reservoir because of too high pressure... :confused:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2016, 09:46:54
I'd still check as if it's been left for a few days, you may see separation or discolouration on the dip stick and the level could indicate high  :question:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 02, 2016, 10:04:59
I'd still check as if it's been left for a few days, you may see separation or discolouration on the dip stick and the level could indicate high  :question:

I'll mention it for the dealer. The car have been grounded in their workshop the last week while they were closed for vacation...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2016, 10:10:18
Better if you saw for yourself
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 02, 2016, 18:16:22
The issues started after the "fix". They have done a bad job or used faulty parts in the job = they pay.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 02, 2016, 22:01:09
What sundiz said! :fingers:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 08, 2016, 13:53:15
Hey

Would any of you guy's know if the EGR is water cooled on the 1,6 CRDi...?

Had a chat with the workshop that did the pressure test on the head. They test the cooling side with up to 5 bar, and the complete head is warmed up to 70 ºC (for some strange reason, they're not allowed to heat it further).
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on August 08, 2016, 13:57:07
That is strange. Let's see whether @cruiserfied will pop in soon and help out. :goodjob:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 08, 2016, 16:31:08
Egr is cooled. The cooler is on the right side of the engine when looking under the hood. You can see the pics from this topic: :link: 1.6crdi (2008) DIY servicing: Coolant, EGR, cleaning, brake & clutch fluid etc. (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=35383.0)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 08, 2016, 16:40:49
The lower part is the cooler part. Top one is the actual egr valve.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/sundiz85/i30/2015-06-02%2011.52.39.jpg)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 08, 2016, 17:39:12
Thanks Sundiz...  :goodjob2:

Looking at the pictures it doesn't look like the fault could be a sealing/gasket mounted wrong as the coolant only enters through the 2 pipes... :question:

It would be more than just a coincidence if the EGR cooler developed an internal leak in the process of removing and assembling the cylinder head.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 08, 2016, 18:05:23
Yes. There is only input and output for the coolant hoses. Only seals are between egr-cooler-intake manifold. That line is only for hot gasses. If the cooler leaked, it would have to be broken inside.

I don't know if the car goes to limp mode or not if you block the egr. If the engine would work normally with blocked egr (probably check engine light will come on), you could block the egr between the exhaust manifold and egr and do a small test drive. If exhaust still goes to coolant, then problem would not be the egr cooler as there are no exhaust gasses flowing in the egr pipes.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 08, 2016, 18:22:27
Well, as the car is at the dealer I can't make the test, but I've sent your picture to them so they don't have to dismantle anything to find out anyway...  :P
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 08, 2016, 19:41:22
Taking the egr out was not the easiest job to do. Everything is packed so tight that I had to separate to cooler from the actual valve before I was able to wiggle them out from the engine bay. Too many parts in too small space. Hope my pics will save hour or two of their time.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cruiserfied on August 09, 2016, 09:03:14
Mate, everythings kinda pointing to a cracked head.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on August 09, 2016, 10:14:02
 :agreed:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 09, 2016, 17:41:26
Mate, everythings kinda pointing to a cracked head.

That's been my assumption from beginning, just trying to rule out every other option as I feel the workshop and/or wrecker isn't doing anything at all. My car have now been at the dealer for 2,5 weeks and nothing has happened yet....  :disapp: :disapp:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 09, 2016, 23:30:56
 :Pout:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Just Rick on August 10, 2016, 08:28:35
What cruiserfield said,why the hell didn't they get the secondhand head x-rayed and tested first,if it is the head(or new gasket,supplied when dealer has done the swapout)as far as I can see,dealer should pay for the refit and the wrecker supplies the replacement head with assured testing already done,JMO
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 10, 2016, 09:32:51
What cruiserfield said,why the hell didn't they get the secondhand head x-rayed and tested first,if it is the head(or new gasket,supplied when dealer has done the swapout)as far as I can see,dealer should pay for the refit and the wrecker supplies the replacement head with assured testing already done,JMO

Common sense.
  :iws:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cruiserfied on August 10, 2016, 17:10:44
Mate, everythings kinda pointing to a cracked head.

That's been my assumption from beginning, just trying to rule out every other option as I feel the workshop and/or wrecker isn't doing anything at all. My car have now been at the dealer for 2,5 weeks and nothing has happened yet....  :disapp: :disapp:

Thats bullshit. You should have already had the car back fixed and all after 2.5 weeks.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 10, 2016, 17:53:01
 :Dunno:  :Dunno:  :Dunno:  :Dunno:  :Dunno:  :Dunno:  :Dunno:

To be fair, the first week the workshop was closed for vacation, but that still leaves 1,5 week where they could have repaired the car...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cruiserfied on August 11, 2016, 08:55:22
Fair call.
Still 1.5 weeks with next to no work carried out.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 11, 2016, 12:16:42
Fair call.
Still 1.5 weeks with next to no work carried out.

They are probably doing a lot of head scratching... :whistler:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on August 11, 2016, 13:20:28
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Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 12, 2016, 05:33:11
 :Shocked: :rofl:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 12, 2016, 13:48:14
Well, talked to my workshop yesterday and let them know I'm not happy with nothing going on.

Talked with them again today.

They have finally agreed with the wrecker that supplied the head, that my workshop can do the work. They will remove the head on Monday and then they apparently send the head to a workshop for pressure testing again (not same place that did the first test.) They will send the head gasket as well, but I couldn't get any answer about how they will test it.

I asked what they will do if they again can't measure any leaks, but he didn't know what the wrecker's plan is... the saga continues....

Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 13, 2016, 00:15:11
 :undecided: :Good_luck:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Paolo5 on August 13, 2016, 02:55:44
:undecided: :Good_luck:

Wot Daz said....
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 13, 2016, 11:19:53
 :wts:    :Good_luck:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 18, 2016, 19:32:46
The result of the new pressure test of the cylinder head was: ta-daaa..... ok. No leaks found.

Apparently they've tested both cooling side and combustion chamber. My workshop couldn't tell me at what pressure the combustion side was tested.

As a result of this my workshop have now decided to buy a genuine Hyundai head gasket, in stead of the third party used first time. The third party gasket however is from one of the biggest suppliers in EU, but of course it can fail.

They will receive the Hy head gasket during Friday so expect to have the car done by Tuesday next week....  :Good_luck: :Good_luck:

I really miss my i30....
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Shambles on August 18, 2016, 20:07:32
Stick with it Henning me old mate - it'll all come good at the end :goodjob:


Meanwhile, you'll just have to keep pulling your caravan the old fashioned way:

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Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 18, 2016, 20:11:31
That might even be better than this setup.... (remember sound)  :D

:link: BIG Caravan Small Car - YouTube (https://youtu.be/-HVFO8pXxkY)

Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 18, 2016, 22:28:29
Fingers crossed again Henning. ..
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 19, 2016, 06:58:34
I can feel a happy ending coming on.   :goodjob:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 19, 2016, 08:27:45
I can feel a happy ending coming on.   :goodjob:
Gee you have a great job.. I'd still be working if I did what you do...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cruiserfied on August 19, 2016, 11:57:16
Bugger, although some peace of mind.

50nm + 90° + 120°
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: tohis on August 20, 2016, 07:44:59
I hope they will use new bolts for the head. Don't know about Hyundai but with many engines it is required to always use new head bolts and discard the old ones. If not doing so, those old bolts may stretch and lose tension, which will cause the head gasket to fail pretty soon.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 20, 2016, 10:09:22
I hope they will use new bolts for the head. Don't know about Hyundai but with many engines it is required to always use new head bolts and discard the old ones. If not doing so, those old bolts may stretch and lose tension, which will cause the head gasket to fail pretty soon.

It is stretch bolts in the Hy as well.

They did buy a complete gasket/bolt set the first time, so I certainly expect them to use new bolts again... The workshop was a certified Hyundai dealer until 1 year ago, so they do know about Hyundai's...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Paolo5 on August 20, 2016, 12:29:25


It sounds like the workshop is hoping that the (non-original) head gasket was at fault. Did they say why it could have failed.... or did they give any other explanation of what went wrong?
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 20, 2016, 13:06:58


It sounds like the workshop is hoping that the (non-original) head gasket was at fault. Did they say why it could have failed.... or did they give any other explanation of what went wrong?

Yes, they hope the non-original gasket is at fault, but when removed they couldn't see any obvious fault or damage.

I really don't want to think what next step will be if the new gasket don't fix it... :wacko:  :crazy2:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 24, 2016, 16:27:42
I have my car back....  :happydance: :happydance:

The next few days will show if ok or not.....  :Good_luck:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on August 24, 2016, 16:42:18
 :Good_luck:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: CraigB on August 24, 2016, 16:45:36
Fingers and toes are crossed for you Asterix, as the head was a second hand replacement do you know if they decked the face? that and genuine gasket should have been used in the first place :disapp:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on August 24, 2016, 17:49:53
 :whsaid:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 24, 2016, 19:47:31
Fingers and toes are crossed for you Asterix, as the head was a second hand replacement do you know if they decked the face? that and genuine gasket should have been used in the first place :disapp:

decked..  :question:

The used head was pressure tested and machined. The valve sealings was replaced and the valve seats was machined/(whatever you call it when done by hand)  :P
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 24, 2016, 20:00:25
Did a 40 km testdrive and I of course did mount a new "overflow bottle" just in case...  :mrgreen:

Well, after the trip there was no coolant in the bottle...  :sweating:  :D

Will most likely do a longer trip in the weekend, towing the caravan, just because I'm not convinced yet...  :confused:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: PhireSideZA on August 24, 2016, 20:34:13
Holding thumbs/crossing fingers/doing a Zulu rain-dance for you Henning!

Hope the car behaves itself and that the problem has been properly remedied :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 24, 2016, 22:59:49
What they all said. I've been stressing about it almost as much as you Henning! :crazy1:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Magle on August 24, 2016, 23:08:57
 :eek: Now I'm getting a bit nervous, because I'm about to buy my first caravan.  :sweating: :Drive:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 24, 2016, 23:53:04
:eek: Now I'm getting a bit nervous, because I'm about to buy my first caravan.  :sweating: :Drive:
Don't stress, the caravan is not the problem, it is the replacement of the head after issues removing the glow plugs that caused the ongoing issue...
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 25, 2016, 00:26:18
The used head was pressure tested and machined. The valve sealings was replaced and the valve seats was machined/(whatever you call it when done by hand)  :P

Lapped  :exclaim:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: John B on August 25, 2016, 01:56:04
I have been keeping up with this thread with great interest and along with every one else I hope the problem has been fixed. Once you have tested the car a few times with no problems your faith in your car will return and the past problems will be history. Enjoy your caravan and I will also keep my fingers crossed that all will be well. :victory:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 25, 2016, 04:32:22
This is good news.   :goodjob:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 25, 2016, 04:51:34
After this long battle there is still one big question; does the "new" head have new glow plugs or did the leave the old ones?

I had severe issues once with my old car. It took months after the fix before I started fully trust the car again. Driving with a faulty car can be real stressful.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 25, 2016, 04:55:24
When they got the used head they made sure the glow plugs were removed before purchase and installed the ones I had intended to install...  :D
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: cruiserfied on August 25, 2016, 14:52:26
Fingers crossed for you mate. I know what its like to driveva car you have little faith in, the Cherokee i have recently replaced got hot if driven any more than 1/2 hour. Its a major stress on the mind.
Hopefully all will be good now.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 25, 2016, 17:01:29
:eek: Now I'm getting a bit nervous, because I'm about to buy my first caravan.  :sweating: :Drive:

@Magle go for it. The i30 is a fine caravan towcar. Not the fastest car, of course, but when on the way with the van, you're on holiday, not on the run...  :mrgreen:

Fell free to PM me if any questions about towing the caravan...  :cool:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Magle on August 25, 2016, 23:30:18
Well... I know what it's is good at :P, but it is the first time that I have to pull with a full load on the tow.  :spitty:

But it should not cause any problems, since my engine has not been opened yet.  :happydance:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: sundiz on August 30, 2016, 21:09:15

Will most likely do a longer trip in the weekend, towing the caravan, just because I'm not convinced yet...  :confused:

Did you do longer test drive? Has the car been working as it should?
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on August 31, 2016, 09:23:35

Will most likely do a longer trip in the weekend, towing the caravan, just because I'm not convinced yet...  :confused:

Did you do longer test drive? Has the car been working as it should?

No longer testdrive with the caracan so far. As per the headline, my bad luck do continue..  :disapp:

This time not the car. Friday I was hit by Lumbago :link: Low back pain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_back_pain) My back just locked and I couldn't stand up any longer. Luckily I was outside so I could just tilt on the lawn. As it didn't rectify itself I had to go to the doctor, but since I couldn't stand up, I had to crawl to the car so my wife could drive me. What a sight...  :P

Have been put on different medication, including morphine, and yesterday I visited a physiologist. It's slowly getting better...  :confused:

The car have done a few hundred km, but only short trips. However, there's no sign of coolant in my overflow bottle yet, so fingers crossed... :Good_luck:

 :crazy1: :crazy1:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on August 31, 2016, 09:26:54
You poor thing Henning.  :disapp:

All the best for a full recovery!  :crazy1:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Surferdude on August 31, 2016, 09:28:33
Geez. First your head, now your back.
Getting old,  mate.

 :crazy1:

All the best in both instances.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: rustynutz on August 31, 2016, 09:29:44
 :wts:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on August 31, 2016, 09:43:15
I relate, Henning.
I've been there and had that.
Hope you get better soon as it's no fun. 
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 31, 2016, 09:43:57
Ageing is a real bas***d, I too have lower degererative back pain  :fum:

Hope you're feeling better real soon  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: John B on August 31, 2016, 10:47:50
Ageing is a real bas***d, I too have lower degererative back pain  :fum:

Hope you're feeling better real soon  :goodjob2:

Same here. I am in constant pain with degenerative lower back  so can relate to any one one with pain. As already said Henning get well soon.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Surferdude on August 31, 2016, 12:08:40
I have virtually no discs between L3, L4, L5 and S1.
Been like that since my 20s. Pretty crippling back in the day but I have much less pain in recent years.  Hopefully that will continue.
However I am convinced (despite what a neurologist says), that the nerve damage in my feet ( peripheral neuropathy) is a result.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 01, 2016, 03:09:55
I have virtually no discs

How do you stop?!   :Shocked:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on September 01, 2016, 03:24:37
Was tempted to change luck to back in the title...  :whistler:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on September 01, 2016, 17:06:31
I have virtually no discs
This might be just the ticket for you. :winker:

(http://www.virtualdisk.net/images/virtual_disk_logo2_382x109.png)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on September 03, 2016, 17:41:46
My little i30 have now done ca 500 km since the new head gasket was fitted.  150 km of those was today towing the caravan through the worst inclines around here. (which isn't much here in the flat land with no mountains...)  :lol:

Good news is there's still no sign of coolant in my overflow bottle and the coolant level in the reservoir haven't changed at all in those 500 km..  :happydance:

The strange sound when accelerating is also gone...  :happydance:

I actually start believing the operation have succeeded and the patient will survive.. I'm so happy..  :happydance:  :happydance: :happydance:

 
Now my workshop is fighting with the supplier to get paid for the warranty work they have performed on my car. The supplier isn't very eager at admitting there could be something wrong with their gasket. They actually told my workshop that they wanted my engine brought to them in order to make some test.  :scared:  Of course my workshop told them; not gonna happen.!

Funny thing is, my workshop got contacted by another workshop with same problem on a Santa Fe CRDi. He had a timing belt break, but under warranty of the belt supplier, but belt supplier would only pay for new valves and so on, so costumer decided to pay the difference up to a new head. Same gasket supplier as mine, and they have now tried with 3 new gaskets and still same problem.
Maybe the supplier just have to admit they have a product not working....  :crazy1:

So now the car is working again, now just waiting for my back to get well, but that will most likely take as long as the car did...   :undecided:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: diesel1984 on September 04, 2016, 14:04:26
And what is the name of that faulty head gasket maker. hope is not made in china.

With head gasket you cant go wrong with victor reinz, elring or oem.

Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on September 04, 2016, 16:44:55
And what is the name of that faulty head gasket maker. hope is not made in china.

With head gasket you cant go wrong with victor reinz, elring or oem.

Don't know the brand, will try and find out.
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on September 04, 2016, 23:54:43
Every time I see you post in this thread Henning, I brace myself to read your reply..  :sweating: :lol:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: John B on September 05, 2016, 00:22:50
 :whsaid:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 05, 2016, 02:19:20
Every time I see your post, I brace myself..  :sweating: :lol:

That stems from your prison days, Dazz.  :)
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Asterix on November 08, 2016, 21:29:21
Update.

Car have now done ca 4000 km since repair and all is fine. The strange sound present at acceleration have never returned, so don't know what caused it.

Yesterday I finally got reimbursed for my expenses at the Hy dealer in Austria. The dealer told me they still haggle about the bill for the faulty head gasket, but that's not my worry. The faulty gasket was FEBI Bilstein.

So I'm back to being happy with my little i30 again..  :happydance:

My back is also slowly getting better..  :D
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Dazzler on November 08, 2016, 21:34:39
Update.

Car have now done ca 4000 km since repair and all is fine. The strange sound present at acceleration have never returned, so don't know what caused it.

Yesterday I finally got reimbursed for my expenses at the Hy dealer in Austria. The dealer told me they still haggle about the bill for the faulty head gasket, but that's not my worry. The faulty gasket was FEBI Bilstein.

So I'm back to being happy with my little i30 again..  :happydance:

My back is also slowly getting better..  :D

 :brilliant:  :happydance: :happydance:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: The Gonz on November 09, 2016, 02:00:57
 :happydance:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Paolo5 on November 09, 2016, 04:38:39
Fabulous news!!!!  :D
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: CraigB on November 09, 2016, 06:19:21
 :wts:  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Doggie 1 on November 09, 2016, 08:50:39
Great news, Henning.   :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: Shambles on November 09, 2016, 09:37:31
Yep nice one :)

Maybe the topic title should now read "My bad luck is over"
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: PhireSideZA on November 09, 2016, 18:55:24
Update.

Car have now done ca 4000 km since repair and all is fine. The strange sound present at acceleration have never returned, so don't know what caused it.

Yesterday I finally got reimbursed for my expenses at the Hy dealer in Austria. The dealer told me they still haggle about the bill for the faulty head gasket, but that's not my worry. The faulty gasket was FEBI Bilstein.

So I'm back to being happy with my little i30 again..  :happydance:

My back is also slowly getting better..  :D

Great, fantastic and all around awesome news! :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My bad luck continues
Post by: beerman on November 10, 2016, 02:13:28
Nothing like good head errr gaskets.... :whistler:
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