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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => DIESEL => Topic started by: Flyyte on January 09, 2015, 16:56:36
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Our i30 1.6 Premium CRDi Estate (Wagon, SW, whatever it's called internationally) will be 5 years old in August this year and has covered 25,000 miles from new. It has been main dealer maintained throughout its life. It is still under the manufacturer's 5-year warranty.
About an hour ago, we emerged from supermarket shopping, went to our parked i30, took out the remote fob, thumbed the shiny little button on that fob to spring open the key blade and, wowee: away it flew. Gone.
The current weather where we are in England is somewhat less than equatorial so trying to find a vanished blade (the bit that goes in the ignition slot to make the car actually start) in a Force 8 gale and driving rain is not to be recommended. And especially not in a crowded supermarket car park. Luckily for us, we eventually found it: a tiny sliver of steel that could easily have fallen down a nearby grate or lodged underneath any of the neighbouring parked cars, albeit lost in puddles of water. We inserted the blade back into the holding slot of the fob, but it merely wobbled about a bit so we weren't optimistic of it working at all. However . . . We gingerly pushed it into the ignition and, yes, managed to turn it and start the engine and come home. Trying to get the damn thing out of the slot was another matter, but somehow, we managed -- and without resorting to pliers.
Examination of the key in its entirety shows no damage at all. No wear. No tear. The blade is as-new. The fob with its remote controls is likewise as-new. All that's happened is that something, somewhere, inside the fob -- something that grips the bottom of the blade?? -- no longer, er, grips. The failure was as sudden as it was unexpected. In all the years I've had motor cars, I have never, ever, had a key blade abruptly fly off into space at the press of the release button.
A call to our main dealer -- J Edgar & Sons of Workington, Cumbria -- elicited a fast response from its excellent service team, viz: the fickle flying blade is not altogether unknown in Hyundai circles. Ah. The dealer is, therefore, immediately ordering a new key, which should be here within a week to 10 days, and will configure it to function with our car's electronics. There will be no charge for the work; the dealer will file a warranty claim. Kudos, then, to J. Edgar & Sons -- but this really has been an unnerving experience: it takes but little imagination to contemplate the prospect of a key blade flying off into space in a different environment (an airport car park, for example.) It also shows our stupidity in not carrying a spare with us all the time. . . but then: who does? Moral of the story, then -- with a question to follow:
1) NEVER thumb the release button of a key blade when OUTSIDE the vehicle. Generally speaking, we don't. Why we did so today is beyond me: not thinking, I guess -- but then, who expects a Hyundai remote key to suddenly disintegrate like that? If the darn thing is going to fail, then better it fails inside the vehicle rather than out;
2) NEVER go anywhere without a spare ignition key. The potential for disaster arising from the sudden separation of the key blade from a remote -- and that blade could very easily have been lost entirely this afternoon -- is a darn sight greater than I'd ever thought. (Yes, the remote controls worked fine; but there ain't much point in being able to get into a car that you can't, um, move . . .)
Questions:
a) Do others here keep a spare ignition key readily to hand in the event of loss of the original?
b) Has anyone else here experienced the sudden separation of the key blade from the remote fob??
Oh, and a final question for older members (er, really old members, actually): though I do not wish to return to the days of carrying around a starting handle -- Mrs F was an absolute genius with it, but then, she was well used to spinning the prop of a Spitfire so it could go off and stuff the Luftwaffe; I must remember to ask her how old she is -- I really am fed up with the all-electronic this, that and t'other of this modern era. Back in the day, after we stopped bothering with starting handles, a key wuz a key wuz a key (as indeed was a hammer, which we took everywhere so that when emerging from a shop or even a holiday hotel, I could crawl underneath our Anglia 105E and repeatedly smash the underside to free up the starter: ah, simple joys!)
On which basis, then, does anyone know if it's possible to get a simple, straightforward, non-remote ignition key for an i30? Or even . .. a starting handle? :)
PS: And a Happy Mew Year to all.
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Which of course should've read: A Happy New Year to all. I think I've been traumatized. Must be worth a few bob from Hyundai if there's a compensation lawyer out there??
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My key separated from the fob and luckily, everyone here says I was very lucky and I trust there judgement, I found it next to the car door when I hastened back to search for it.
A panel pin was a temporary fix till I got home, then the same panel pin some ingenuity not to mention contact adhesive and viola, it's still in use like new. My spare key is very handy for days like today, today I dropped my car off for service and MOT and asked the nice fella to drop me off to which end I gave him to the spare key. Then when my vehicle was ready he text me saying "I'll be outside your front door and five...' (top service.
I he drove us both back to the workshop, I asked the techi guy was there any probs and he said, 'Nope, still like a new car'
excellent :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
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I don't carry my spare key, would hate to loose both. I'd call the AA and recover/relay the car back home I guess. I think dealers can just order new pins (but I think lots of things, not always right)
I have to say I walk around flicking it all the time (fnar) , and I often use it to open parcels and I've been lucky so far, I know I'm doomed now.
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I have heard mention of the key issue, but not experienced this .....yet.
Unhappily the key seems to me like the only part of my i30 that hasnt broken or failed in its 4½ years of life.
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@Flyyte,
A crank handle would require you to stand in the path of oncoming traffic due to engine orientation, so counterproductive to you, unless you particularly like nurses. :mrgreen:
Some members have a spare blank key to use when swimming etc. However, not sure about your insurance cover if you leave a fully functional key inside the vehicle.
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I only want to know who Flytte is, in your title :whistler:
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I only want to know who Flytte is, in your title :whistler:
Oh wot a bummer. I told you I'd been traumatized by the experience. Now, I don't even know my own name. Hyundai has much to apologize for. Thanks, Sahmlebs, for pointing this out, even though I'm now mortified. Actually, Mortified would be an even better name, come to think about it. All best -- Mort. :goodjob:
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@Flyyte,
A crank handle would require you to stand in the path of oncoming traffic due to engine orientation, so counterproductive to you, unless you particularly like nurses. :mrgreen:
Ah. Never thought of that. . . :eek:
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@ asathorny: I just wonder if there's a non-remote key version for our i30s? Mrs F's new Fiat Panda arrived with two keys, one a full remote, t'other just a, well, just a key. Obviously, this latter doesn't allow for remote access or closing at all, but has the virtue of not falling apart. Or, well, I'd hope it wouldn't. . . Glad you mended yours!
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@ asathorny: I just wonder if there's a non-remote key version for our i30s? Mrs F's new Fiat Panda arrived with two keys, one a full remote, t'other just a, well, just a key. Obviously, this latter doesn't allow for remote access or closing at all, but has the virtue of not falling apart. Or, well, I'd hope it wouldn't. . . Glad you mended yours!
I thought someone had answered that for you, YES, we have several members who have had blanks cut in which the transponder has not been programmed.
The point of them doing this is so that that can leave their fob key locked in the car and then go surfing/swimming with the NON fob key without worrying about getting water on the transponder. :goodjob: :goodjob:
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I'm another victim of the key fob , pin coming out & the key coming away from the fob.
i was lucky as was at home so got spare fob out to use.
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Never had the problem, don't carry the spare.
An engineer's perspective is that the axial rotation of the blade when acting as a key is mechanically weakly supported mainly by the pin so that, while flicking the blade open is not a major stress on the mechanism, turning the key while inserted is.
A broader blade base and tighter fit around the pin while preserving free movement would result in a longer lasting mechanism. In the absence of redesign, preventive maintenance of examining the key for excessive play and preemptive pin replacement is recommended. :D
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Perhaps a nice Titanium one. :idea: :mrgreen:
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:D
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg)
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When i bought my first i30 in 2007 it came with 1 remote key and a non remote key,
I and also shambles who received the same 2 keys wrote to the md of hy uk and received another remote foc, detailed on this forum at the time.
So the answer to your question is yes non remotes can be provided but i would guess at a cost.
It may be worth checking at key cutting shop if they have the same blade and get one cut.
Also many years ago there was a magnetic box you could buy which you attached to the underneath of the car with spare in just in case the person holding the spare remote isn't with the key holder when it fails or springs away...
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That magnetic key box is still a constant presence at the $2 shops. :victory:
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That magnetic key box is still a constant presence at the $2 shops. :victory:
and a nice "present" for potential car thieves! :snigger:
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:whsaid:
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:D
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg)
Not impressed, Gonz :Pout:
I'm going to have to watch that movie now. :foottap: :mrgreen:
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I'm assured that, as long as the car is locked, insurance is valid.
Also I'm pretty sure someone else on here confirmed that a while back.
But not if you have a key secured under the vehicle.
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That's reassuring. :mrgreen:
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Pin is not the problem.
Pin location is the problem.
I believe the FD key has the roll pin on opposite side of the blade (picture is of my MD key) over time turning ignition on and off a crack forms from pin to edge parallel to the key blade if that makes sense.
Not common. Seen mostly on company vehicles that are turned on and off a bunch of times everyday.
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* Cuiserfied's fingerprint now stored on NSA database. :eek:
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:Shocked: :Shocked: :Shocked: UNDO UNDO :scared: :scared: :scared:
Jokes on them. My finger prints change regularly due to cuts and scratches :D
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"Abby" from N.C.I.S. will get a match. :mrgreen:
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"Abby" from N.C.I.S. will get a match. :mrgreen:
Won't complain about her coming for me lol
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Opened my key a couple of times today and realised I have always sub consciously opened it into the palm of my hand so it doesn't spring all the way out in one go.
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I do like you (yes, and I do like you :snigger:), never liking mechanical impact on even the tiniest scale. Perhaps that's why I've had no wear, tear or failure in the last 5+ years of owning Firty - not even as much as a light bulb. :victory:
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I do like you (yes, and I do like you :snigger:), never liking mechanical impact on even the tiniest scale. Perhaps that's why I've had no wear, tear or failure in the last 5+ years of owning Firty - not even as much as a light bulb. :victory:
Now he has done it...... :eek:
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:lol: :Good_luck:
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Pin is not the problem.
Pin location is the problem.
I believe the FD key has the roll pin on opposite side of the blade (picture is of my MD key) over time turning ignition on and off a crack forms from pin to edge parallel to the key blade if that makes sense.
Not common. Seen mostly on company vehicles that are turned on and off a bunch of times everyday.
Damn you, Cruiser. :P Now I had to check my key and it seems like there's a crack developing... :blubber:
Only on the 1 side, but how long before the other side is affected as well.. :question: Hmm, might be time to put this one aside as the spare key and then use the other one (the Wife's) as it looks like not much used at all.
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t370/Rasnik-1/i30key_zps79f3829a.png) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/Rasnik-1/media/i30key_zps79f3829a.png.html)
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No warranty I'm guessing?
Edit: Never mind just checked your vehicle details. You'll have to go easy on that one if it is indeed a crack.
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No warranty I'm guessing?
Edit: Never mind just checked your vehicle details. You'll have to go easy on that one if it is indeed a crack.
:mrgreen:
No. We didn't get the 5 year warranty here in DK before 2011, Until then it was only 3 years, so when I bought my i30 @ 3,5 years old the warranty had already expired.
But thanks for the info, now I will put it aside and use the other key. :happydance:
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Buy a replacement housing, I have one on the way before this thread was started only a few bucks, too.
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Thanks for all this info.
Both my keys are in use, and both sides have cracked.
Also, my Wife's i20 key, both sides have cracked.
Wouldn't want her stranded at side of road :whistler:
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Wouldn't want her stranded at side of road :whistler:
:snigger:
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Have just checked the unused spare i20 key (still in Hyundai bag).
It HAS also cracked - I think the metal is too thin at that point, and the insertion of the roll pin must create an original crack.
So, it's 4 out of 4 keys.
Hyundai must surely know this problem, but chooses not to publicise.
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The spare key that came with my i30 had a loose blade because of a missing pin, but the dealer had it fixed before I took delivery.
It is still wonky but it works and as it is only a spare I don't worry too much about it. I checked my original key now and it too has a hairline crack :(
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Just checked my daily use key. It's fine. I'll check the spare tomorrow.
Might check my daughter's keys , too.
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Please don't confuse the moulding line some have in the same area with a crack.
Like I said its normally seen on high use vehicles. I would be surprised if a new key was cracked.
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@ Cruiserfied.
No, I've looked under a scientific microscope, crack goes right through.....
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Fair enough then :)
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Fair enough then :)
Tomorrow, I'll get 2 laser cut spare keys made.
Great Forum for info. Often wished the Mercedes & Jaguar Forums were as helpful & friendly as this.
But then I'd be all day on car Forums :(
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Sherioushly sherioushly: big thanks, as ever, to everyone here -- I hope I wasn't being too alarmist but it was a worrying experience, especially bearing in mind that our i30 isn't used a lot (we're both retired and we're both away a lot, so the car is sometimes in our garage for long periods: it's not as though its low mileage is attributable to short journeys every day, each of which stresses the ignition key.) Not being the brightest of bulbs in anyone's illuminations, I was too dim to notice that my original query -- about obtaining a non-remote key -- had been answered earlier on. Doh. Now I see there've been subsequent references to acquiring an alternative to the remote -- so, bearing in mind my absence of enlightened thought, I'd be INCREDIBLY grateful for an answer to the following:
My two-piece remote key is now safely wrapped up, pending us taking it to the dealership in a week to 10 days' time by which date they say the new replacement remote should've arrived in stock. Meantime, we're using the spare remote. The dealership says it has to spend a little time programming the replacement key; it also says it has to have the busted key because it's a warranty claim. Fair enough. What Mrs F and I were wondering was . . .
Before returning the broken key to Hyundai, could we not just pop along to our nearest key maker person (whatever they're called) and ask for the undamaged blade to be copied and set into a new, simple, non-remote fob?
Against that stunning originality of thought, however, is this business of "programming", because does it mean that a new key created now, to work now, would cease to work after whatever it is the dealer is going to do in a week or so's time???
Help appreciated. Mrs F is still saying we should buy a tandem because you just get on 'em and pedal and, after hearing about what MikeSX said, not only are there no doors to worry about, they're in permanent drop-head mode.
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Sherioushly sherioushly:, could we not just pop along to our nearest key maker person (whatever
Seems you've had a drop of pop as well (Me - Stakes Hampshire).
I'm having some non coded keys cut tomorrow for the Merc., you're probably correct; it's not that simple for the i30's.
Someone, more knowledgeable than I, may hopefully advise us :)
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When i had my key replaced under warranty it took less than 10 minutes to reprogramme unless you are shambles and it took 3 days!
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Before returning the broken key to Hyundai, could we not just pop along to our nearest key maker person (whatever they're called) and ask for the undamaged blade to be copied and set into a new, simple, non-remote fob?
My local Sainsburys has a key cutting and cobblers within the store, they advertise CAR KEY cutting. If I wanted a non transponder key cutting that would be my first stop on the assumption that they lad behind the counter would have a rough idea what he was doing :happydance: :happydance:
:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
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Thanks, gang. Much appreciated. The local branch of the UK's collapsing Tesco empire isn't far from us and in an effort to boost profits (presumably, to buy up yet more building land as part of Tesco's speculation portfolio -- hope the value drops, then) they have rented out the walkway space in front of the store to Timpson's Shoe Repairs and Key Cutting. So now when we visit Tesco's, we have to side-step a large ugly shed in order to access an even larger and uglier supermarket.
I shall, therefore, go into the shed tomorrow, always providing it hasn't blown away in the current gales, and ask The Person there if she/he can cut a non-transponder key. If they merely attempt to sell me a tin of re-programmed shoe polish, I shall be miffed.
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@Flyyte - presumably you will hide this newly cut simple key somewhere in the i30, and use the remote fob to set/unset/lock/unlock, and trust the vehicle will start with the new key ?
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If there is no cost to you, then it would be quite simple to let Hy handle it. However, if there IS a cost to you, then I would buy a replacement shell on eBay and get the blank key cut and transfer all the electronics from the old shell to the new shell. There's a You tube showing how to do it. It will only cost you the price of a new key cut and the shell.
We don't have any key issues yet, but I'm expecting my ordered shell to arrive very soon, just in case.
:link: Folding Remote KEY Case FOR Hyundai I20 I30 Flip FOB 3 BTN | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/170842862056?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
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Thanks Phil, so you need the remote near (or new key fixed to the remote) to start the car then ?
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Yes, right up near where the key pivots, there's a very small black box. This is the transponder that talks to the alarm, etc. It is powered up through the key, by the car itself, so doesn't have a battery. The battery that IS inside the key remote is for locking / unlocking the doors.
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Phil: sincere thanks for those insights. It explains why, earlier today, I entirely failed to organise the provision of a spare key in a non-remote fob.
Being a bit simple-minded, I'd thought that removing the remote functionality from the equation would mean the removal of the electronics aspect, too. Not so. The key cutter I talked to said sorry, we can't simply make a copy of your key blade -- the blade that flew out when the remote key fell apart -- and stick it in some kind of plastic grip. It's not like that with modern keys.
We can provide you with a duplicate of your existing i30 remote key (complete with open/close buttons) for around £110, which you'll find is actually a lot less than your dealer would charge. But as to making you an old-style non-remote key which will open the car doors manually and turn on the ignition, sorry, it's just not possible. A chip is required for the key to function whether you're incorporating the remote facility or not.
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Hi Flyyte.
I had a feeling that you were thinking just that - so I sorta primed Phil to explain & detail exactly what you need to do (I did not want to highjack your post too much :)).
But it's pretty simple really - so give it a try (not that expensive) - it could be well worth it :D
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Sincere (though I always am) thanks to Phil and Mike for the patience shown and the expert insights so freely provided. Finally -- finally!! -- I've understood how these darn things actually work. . .
'S funny, how they're such everyday objects that their very ordinariness means folks like me don't give 'em a second thought. It's only when an incident like this occurs that realization dawns about the sheer complexity of what's inside those black plastic housings, what they do, how they work, and how they're powered. Thanks to Phil and Mike, and others who've contributed here, I now understand that it isn't just a question of some glorified wi-fi transmitter locking and unlocking doors; the key blade itself is inextricably linked to an electronics process. So the notion of just taking a key blade, duplicating it, and shoving it into any old housing is -- quite literally in this case -- an absolute non-starter.
I guess Mrs F and I have been extremely fortunate in that our key fell apart within the 5-year warranty period, otherwise it's possible we may have faced an unwelcome and very large bill (which we'd have disputed, though how successfully, who knows?)
Phil's helpful Australian eBay links are mirrored in UK eBay links, which I've been perusing in light of his assistance; fascinating to see this:
:link: HYUNDAI i30 REMOTE KEY FOB SUPPLIED CUT AND PROGRAM WHILST YOU WAIT | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYUNDAI-i30-REMOTE-KEY-FOB-SUPPLIED-CUT-AND-PROGRAM-WHILST-YOU-WAIT-/151549163873?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234908b961)
which at £130 has my eyes watering at the thought: if this is a non-dealer price, what on earth would Hyundai owners have to pay their Hyundai UK dealerships for a new key???
I was also interested to see this (which is pretty typical of other eBay UK listings of this type):
:link: HYUNDAI I20 I30 3 BUTTON REMOTE FLIP KEY FOB CASE SHELL WITH NEW UNCUT BLADE | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYUNDAI-I20-I30-3-BUTTON-REMOTE-FLIP-KEY-FOB-CASE-SHELL-WITH-NEW-UNCUT-BLADE-/321327897628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ad0a29c1c)
Less than a fiver! And also this for UK-based i30 owners:
:link: Hyundai 3 Button Flip Remote Key REPAIR SERVICE - i30 i20 i35 | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hyundai-3-Button-Flip-Remote-Key-REPAIR-SERVICE-i30-i20-i35-/191332476592?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c8c4de6b0)
I'd never have thought of eBay until coming on here -- but then, I'd never have thought about something as mundane (to me) as a flippin' car key until ours flew apart.
Again, then, kudos to Phil. and Mike; as noted, our Hyundai dealership instantly advised that they'd replace the broken key, and undertake all the associated work, under warranty, so no problems there. But it could have been all so different only eight months from now . . .
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:Agoodpost:
I just checked my blade base around the pin and there are no cracks after five years of daily use. Happy with that. :happydance:
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Here's a how to vid.
A bit fiddly, but think of the savings.
:link: Hyundai Flip Key Shell Replacement - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kTR-oYA_4o)
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I checked my other key which has had about a year's use. All good.
As are my daughter's Accent keys - which seem to have more metal around the roll pin, incidentally.