Reduction in welfare payments if kids aren't vaccinated

Dazzler · **Reply #30: April 22, 2015, 05:47:15**

I had hepatitis when I was 12 and also had 6 weeks in bed (and lost about 10 kg) and 2 weeks of school holidays

then about 12 months later got mumps ( but they didn't spread downstairs thankfully)

I am pro-vaccination

Surferdude · **Reply #31: April 22, 2015, 07:57:01**

The antivaccers annoy me. These days if you go to a markets almost anywhere, you'll find a booth carrying signs advocating anti vaccination views and displaying banners advising how the Gubmint and doctors are lying to us all. Most of the time I manage to walk past and ignore them.

But there are two or three of my facebook friends who are passionately anti vaccination. One, who I like immensely, I have blocked - which isn't unfriending so she doesn't know I don't see her posts anymore.
One of the others is a surfer whose whole family has all sorts of medical conditions including autism spectrum and ADD issues, all of which he blames on vaccinations. He may or may not be correct in his family's case. As others have said here, no one denies there is a risk of an adverse reaction from vaccinations. This guy has taken his family off the grid in an old council bus - home schooling and all. Travelling around Australia as and when he feels like it.

Anyway, a week or so ago I finally reacted to the posts from antivaccers offering "proof" the doctors are all part of a scam etc etc and wrote a piece on my fb page. To make a point I found an opposing view to this latest thing doing the rounds and added both the for and against arguments at the end. You only need to read as much or as little as you want but I reproduce the post here in full for your info.

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The Great Vaccination Debate

This is starting to annoy me a bit. Anti vac proponents continue to provide links to articles and reports which trash the acknowledged medical fraternity. Most add in some personal stories of their own to justify their position.
I get that. No one seems to dispute there are risks associated with ANY medical procedure. My argument is that the risks associated with doing nothing are greater AND have much wider implications and risks for the whole community.
There are two links below. Each is typical of what you can find on the web arguing the cases for and against vaccinations. The vocal minority would do well to at least acknowledge there are two sides to the story – a fact most of them seem happy to ignore.
There’s another part to all this. The anti-vaccination people seem to love to put forward arguments which at least insinuate, if not outright accuse the medical profession of participating in a massive cover-up of the “dangers” of vaccination.
I’m seriously offended by this. They are casting aspersions on a group of people who are dedicated to the easing of pain and suffering. Over my 67 years of life it has been my pleasure to know some of these medical practitioners. To a man (and woman) they have been understanding and professional. I have NEVER had one who advised me on a course of action without discussing the pros and cons of such a step. None has ever pressured me into doing something I wasn’t comfortable doing.
I have to admit to being somewhat fortunate up till now with my health. But I have had close family members who were less lucky. So, carry on, medical profession and all the best to you.
If you take the time to read these links as I did, they demonstrate yet again that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I don’t (and won’t) pass judgement on either. They are simply there to demonstrate that these things aren’t as clear cut as the antivac campaigners would have you believe.

For Anti Vaccination

The Doctor Who Beat The British General Medical Council By Proving That Vaccines Aren?t Necessary To Achieve Health |

Another side

Dr Jayne Donegan On Measles | Stuff And Nonsense

CraigB · **Reply #32: April 22, 2015, 08:49:19**

I've never had the mumps, I've had chicken pox when I was 13 and German measles ( Rubella ) as a child and nothing ever again " touch wood "

The worst part of chicken pox was the Doctor gave me Valium, very bad move

it sent me crackers and I destroyed the house internally and tried to kill my mother

Surferdude · **Reply #33: April 22, 2015, 09:00:17**

I had Measles. Then Mumps on the day we were due to go to the Ekka.
Only got Chicken Pox in my final year of high school, about 2 months before the Leaving Certificate.
Fortunately it wasn't a serious bout and the doc signed me off to go back to school after 1 week instead of the required 3.
Never had German Measles.

Always loved Agatha Christie's, "The Mirror Cracked" - German Measles connection.

Dazzler · **Reply #34: April 22, 2015, 09:23:01**

@ Trevor .. post 32 =

FatBoy · **Reply #35: April 22, 2015, 09:45:37**

Great post, Trev.

I did like this line of yours,

"My argument is that the risks associated with doing nothing are greater AND have much wider implications and risks for the whole community."

As to the comments that vaccinations cause autism. This has been disproven, the article that proposed it withdrawn by the publication, and the author struck from the medical register.

Link between vaccine, autism debunked again ? News in Science (ABC Science)

Surferdude · **Reply #36: April 22, 2015, 10:06:10**

^^^^
The trouble is of course, the anti mob just claim the medical profession closed ranks and paid off the researchers.

God I hate conspiracy theorists.

Surferdude · **Reply #37: April 22, 2015, 10:10:50**

I see we rated a mention in the linked report here............

Journal retracts paper linking MMR, autism ? News in Science (ABC Science)

FatBoy · **Reply #38: April 22, 2015, 10:12:01**

From my understanding of the research, it was only a sample size of twelve boys. Hardly a large group.

Did you know that 99% of heroin addicts drank milk as babies? Therefore, by the anti-vaxxer logic, drinking milk causes heroin addiction.

Allah be praised, I hate conspiracy theorists as well!!

CraigB · **Reply #39: April 22, 2015, 10:15:04**

Quote from: Surferdude on April 22, 2015, 10:06:10

God I hate conspiracy theorists.

Me too

and tree huggin hippies

FatBoy · **Reply #40: April 22, 2015, 10:18:41**

Quote from: CraigB on April 22, 2015, 10:15:04

Quote from: Surferdude on April 22, 2015, 10:06:10
God I hate conspiracy theorists.
Me too and tree huggin hippies

As well as the Judean Peoples Front. Splitters!!

CraigB · **Reply #41: April 22, 2015, 10:24:14**

I loved Life of Brian

FatBoy · **Reply #42: April 22, 2015, 10:30:01**

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Phil №❶ · **Reply #43: April 22, 2015, 10:52:14**

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Taxes, I believe.

FatBoy · **Reply #44: April 22, 2015, 10:53:16**

Quote from: Phil №❶ on April 22, 2015, 10:52:14

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01
What have the Romans ever done for us?

Taxes, I believe.

And the aqueducts.

BTW, I don't mind paying taxes.

Wingerdave · **Reply #45: April 22, 2015, 10:59:40**

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:53:16

Quote from: Phil №❶ on April 22, 2015, 10:52:14
Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01
What have the Romans ever done for us?

Taxes, I believe.

And the aqueducts.

BTW, I don't mind paying taxes.

Concrete, but then everybody forgot about it for a few hundred years coz building with wood was easier

CraigB · **Reply #46: April 22, 2015, 11:36:01**

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Military tactics/weapons/Battlefield Surgery, codes/signalling, roads and surveying, The Twelve Tables and the Corpus Juris Civilis ( the basis for our legal systems today ), The Julian Calendar which evolved into the Gregorian calendar, Bound Books, newspapers, welfare.

FatBoy · **Reply #47: April 22, 2015, 12:03:01**

Quote from: CraigB on April 22, 2015, 11:36:01

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01
What have the Romans ever done for us?
Military tactics/weapons/Battlefield Surgery, codes/signalling, roads and surveying, The Twelve Tables and the Corpus Juris Civilis ( the basis for our legal systems today ), The Julian Calendar which evolved into the Gregorian calendar, Bound Books, newspapers, welfare.

But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

CraigB · **Reply #48: April 22, 2015, 12:24:17**

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 12:03:01

Quote from: CraigB on April 22, 2015, 11:36:01
Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01
What have the Romans ever done for us?
Military tactics/weapons/Battlefield Surgery, codes/signalling, roads and surveying, The Twelve Tables and the Corpus Juris Civilis ( the basis for our legal systems today ), The Julian Calendar which evolved into the Gregorian calendar, Bound Books, newspapers, welfare.

But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

They invented bacon ( petaso )

FatBoy · **Reply #49: April 22, 2015, 12:25:20**

Quote from: CraigB on April 22, 2015, 12:24:17

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 12:03:01
Quote from: CraigB on April 22, 2015, 11:36:01
Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:30:01
What have the Romans ever done for us?
Military tactics/weapons/Battlefield Surgery, codes/signalling, roads and surveying, The Twelve Tables and the Corpus Juris Civilis ( the basis for our legal systems today ), The Julian Calendar which evolved into the Gregorian calendar, Bound Books, newspapers, welfare.

But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
They invented bacon ( petaso )

Did I ever tell you I love the Romans?

Phil №❶ · **Reply #50: April 22, 2015, 12:25:56**

Now you're talking his language.

CraigB · **Reply #51: April 22, 2015, 12:32:22**

I knew that would change his mind

Doggie 1 · **Reply #52: April 22, 2015, 12:38:59**

Quote from: FatBoy on April 22, 2015, 10:12:01

From my understanding of the research, it was only a sample size of twelve boys. Hardly a large group.

They could have been large FatBoys.

Surferdude · **Reply #53: April 23, 2015, 09:47:15**

The antivaccers have outdone themselves this time.

https://www.facebook.com/topic/Australian-Vaccination-Skeptics-Network/106390602725768?source=whfrt&position=3&trqid=6140849484650739471

Or, if you don't have facebook access, try this link.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/australian-vaccination-skeptics-network-compares-vaccines-to-rape-in-facebook-post/story-fni0xqrb-1227315985884?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=HaraldSun&utm_medium=Facebook

beerman · **Reply #54: April 23, 2015, 12:07:45**

I heard a good comment on the radio the other day. Old mate said the second generation have never had to experience the sadness of a large number of children dying, they are now mistakenly believing the stupidity of the anti vaccination brigade.

They are also surfing on the pain my kids endured to continue the immunity of the herd......