My bad luck continues

Asterix · **July 10, 2016, 18:11:49**

Will, the trip to Italy isnt going as planed.
Yesterday there was a strange sound from the engine. This morning I added 1,5 liter coolant. After 250 km on our way ud the motorway in the mountains the engine temp went up. After cooldown I could add another 1,5 liter coolant.
The car is now towed to the nearest Hy dealer and we are at a campsite somewhere in Austria. .:-(

asathorny · **Reply #1: July 10, 2016, 18:29:35**

Oh dear, I hope it is a simple fix

eye30 · **Reply #2: July 10, 2016, 20:54:46**

Hope it is a simple fix so you can get on with your holiday.

Ps does your breakdown cover include a hire vehicle if they need to keep it for fix?

Lakes · **Reply #3: July 10, 2016, 23:07:28**

Hope simple fix & you get back to your trip.

Phil №❶ · **Reply #4: July 10, 2016, 23:18:31**

Oh no

Dazzler · **Reply #5: July 10, 2016, 23:28:08**

Bugger! Not good Henning (to say the least) Assume when they replaced the head they didn't tighten it enough? Head gasket?? Like the others have said, hope you find someone who can help you fix it quickly and painlessly...

Paolo5 · **Reply #6: July 11, 2016, 00:53:11**

So sorry to hear this...hope there is a simple explanation/fix..

Doggie 1 · **Reply #7: July 11, 2016, 03:33:05**

Hope it works out quickly and cheaply for you.

sundiz · **Reply #8: July 11, 2016, 03:50:20**

Quote from: Asterix on July 10, 2016, 18:11:49

There's oil in the coolant reservoir, that shouldn't be there after a head removal. Will have a talk to the workshop tomorrow, but might wait with too aggressive complaints until I receive the invoice...

(Quotet from previous topic)
What was their response?

Did you check the oil? Was there any sings of coolant and oil mixing? I am getting a feeling that they might not have done a good job with the head change...

xiziz · **Reply #9: July 13, 2016, 17:07:52**

That sucks!

Lucky Austria is a nice country too, I have very good memories from when we stopped by on the way home from Italy for a few days.

Lets hope you are on the road soon again!

John B · **Reply #10: July 14, 2016, 07:50:17**

Not good I hope you can sort it out soon.

diesel1984 · **Reply #11: July 15, 2016, 14:30:12**

Quote from: Asterix on July 10, 2016, 18:11:49

Will, the trip to Italy isnt going as planed.
Yesterday there was a strange sound from the engine. This morning I added 1,5 liter coolant. After 250 km on our way ud the motorway in the mountains the engine temp went up. After cooldown I could add another 1,5 liter coolant.
The car is now towed to the nearest Hy dealer and we are at a campsite somewhere in Austria. .:-(

Quote from: Asterix on May 28, 2016, 18:39:11

Quote from: diesel1984 on May 28, 2016, 15:16:32
Ok.

So you have done 254.000km with original water pump??

Yes, and I have no intensions of replacing it before it stop working...

1.6 CRDI water pump and timing chain

I think this is your problem,water pump and thermostat.. this items should be replaced before 100.000km.
Cost was 39Eur for hepu water pump and 10Eur for wahler thermostat when i changed mine..

Asterix · **Reply #12: July 16, 2016, 15:06:53**

Quote from: diesel1984 on July 15, 2016, 14:30:12

Quote from: Asterix on July 10, 2016, 18:11:49
Will, the trip to Italy isnt going as planed.
Yesterday there was a strange sound from the engine. This morning I added 1,5 liter coolant. After 250 km on our way ud the motorway in the mountains the engine temp went up. After cooldown I could add another 1,5 liter coolant.
The car is now towed to the nearest Hy dealer and we are at a campsite somewhere in Austria. .:-(

Quote from: Asterix on May 28, 2016, 18:39:11
Quote from: diesel1984 on May 28, 2016, 15:16:32
Ok.

So you have done 254.000km with original water pump??

Yes, and I have no intensions of replacing it before it stop working...

1.6 CRDI water pump and timing chain

I think this is your problem,water pump and thermostat.. this items should be replaced before 100.000km.
Cost was 39Eur for hepu water pump and 10Eur for wahler thermostat when i changed mine..

Don't think so. My last car did 335.000 on original thermostat and waterpump.

Asterix · **Reply #13: July 16, 2016, 15:20:59**

Well the dealer in Austria checked the cooling system and found nothing wrong.

I asked them to remove the thermostat so we could move on. We did the last 260 km the next day and it used another 1.5 liter coolant.

Yesterday I fitted a bottle at the overflow hose on the coolant reservoir. We did a short trip of around 30 km and there was coolant in the bottle. Could the fault be as simple as a filler cap letting the pressure out at a too low pressure...?

CraigB · **Reply #14: July 16, 2016, 15:39:05**

For the low cost of a new radiator cap it's worth a try

Dazzler · **Reply #15: July 16, 2016, 21:51:52**

Quote from: CraigB on July 16, 2016, 15:39:05

For the low cost of a new radiator cap it's worth a try

But could the added back pressure finish off the head gasket and kill the motor

Phil №❶ · **Reply #16: July 17, 2016, 02:23:07**

Assuming the new cap is the correct pressure rating there won't be any added back pressure. Water boils at higher temps when pressurised, so if the cap has failed that would allow water to escape prematurely due to lack of pressure and lower boiling point.

The Gonz · **Reply #17: July 17, 2016, 04:14:23**

Precisely. Many people think a boiling point is fixed in temperature but pressure always plays a part. It's common nomenclature to rate things in the sciences, even weight for a given material, using STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure). It's been a long time, so I could be wrong, but I recall 1 litre of water will weigh 1 kg at 1 standard atmosphere of pressure and at 277 Kelvin, which is just under 4 deg C. Hence pressure plays on water's density and ability to change state to a gas (boil). Consider dry ice boiling at room temperature across 2 states directly from solid to gas!

The transition to gas absorbs energy because it is needed to break the molecular bonds keeping the liquid together, hence evaporation, even in the hot sun, gives a cooling effect. However, this is undesirable in a heat exchanger like our cars have because we need the water in liquid form to work effectively. The coolant is a mixture of water and anti-boil / anti-freeze chemicals, although any mixture of chemicals with different densities will provide this broader range, a bit like oil viscosity ratings.

Dazzler · **Reply #18: July 17, 2016, 04:22:07**

Thanks for those explanations. I hope they get Henning and Irene home...

Asterix · **Reply #19: July 17, 2016, 06:31:34**

I'm waiting for Monday morning where the Hy dealer opens...

Asterix · **Reply #20: July 17, 2016, 11:50:23**

A question for you guys; if it turns out not to be the radiator cap, what else can make the coolant escape via the overflow..?
The dealer pressure tested the system and I haven't noticed white smoke...

tw2005 · **Reply #21: July 17, 2016, 12:30:05**

Is the thermo fan working? Travelling the mountains, is that at low speeds , lower gears, higher RPM? Is it running cooler at say highway speeds?

Asterix · **Reply #22: July 17, 2016, 14:14:19**

Quote from: tw2005 on July 17, 2016, 12:30:05

Is the thermo fan working? Travelling the mountains, is that at low speeds , lower gears, higher RPM? Is it running cooler at say highway speeds?

Checked by the dealer in Austria and found ok. He had it running at 2000 rpm for 1 hour. I had him remove the thermostat so it shouldn't be hot enough to start the fan. The temp only went high 1 time before the thermostat was removed. Never after.

diesel1984 · **Reply #23: July 18, 2016, 08:55:06**

Pressure test system, if that test passed check for exhaust fumes in coolant bottle(hy service should have fume tester).
If that's ok.
Check thermostat, water pump(small overflow hole onder pulley), hoses, clamps, bottle cap, egr cooler, small and big radiator for leakage.
Increase pressure test bar/psi for 0.5-1bar on the bottle. Check with hot engine not cold.
Check and inspect radiator for sludge if 2 coolants mixed (red and green).
Check radiator visually.

Check rad fan for operation, check ac fan operation.

If all that tests passed and are ok. You are safe to go.

Let's say 1.5 working hours with coolant flushing and changing.

My guess is something with head gasket assembly as you recently removed it..

Asterix · **Reply #24: July 18, 2016, 10:06:15**

Quote from: diesel1984 on July 18, 2016, 08:55:06

Pressure test system, if that test passed check for exhaust fumes in coolant bottle(hy service should have fume tester).
If that's ok.
Check thermostat, water pump(small overflow hole onder pulley), hoses, clamps, bottle cap, egr cooler, small and big radiator for leakage.
Increase pressure test bar/psi for 0.5-1bar on the bottle. Check with hot engine not cold.
Check and inspect radiator for sludge if 2 coolants mixed (red and green).
Check radiator visually.

Check rad fan for operation, check ac fan operation.

If all that tests passed and are ok. You are safe to go.

Let's say 1.5 working hours with coolant flushing and changing.

My guess is something with head gasket assembly as you recently removed it..

All that checked by dealer in Austria and found ok. Coolant changed 1 week before we left home.

Asterix · **Reply #25: July 18, 2016, 10:17:01**

Just came back from the Hyundai dealer in Verona , 30 km from here.
Of course they didn't have the cap on stock, so need to go back tomorrow.

What a sad experience. Noone there spoke English or German. If I hadn't had a photo of the part I needed they would be totally lost.

Came by a Kia dealer, same shit....

Doggie 1 · **Reply #26: July 18, 2016, 10:27:07**

Enjoy your wifi by the pool for another day.

Dazzler · **Reply #27: July 18, 2016, 10:53:06**

Doggie 1 · **Reply #28: July 18, 2016, 11:10:02**

Aw c'mon, Dazz.
You laughed too.

Dazzler · **Reply #29: July 18, 2016, 11:18:34**

Quote from: Doggie 1 on July 18, 2016, 11:10:02

Aw c'mon, Dazz.
You laughed too.

Didn't have a problem with your joke.. just sad for Henning! It's bad enough having no power for a few hours (at tea time!) I'd hate to be 1750 kms away from home with a crook car!