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Title: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: diablo on August 22, 2014, 07:37:39
I've heard about this before. I think Ford are also developing a Focus sized hybrid as well. Hybrids always seemed rather more sensible than simple electric cars if you only want to buy one car for everything.

:link: Hyundai i30 Hybrid Spied Testing? | The Motor Report (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/59647/hyundai-i30-hybrid-spied-testing)

(http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2016_hyundai_prius_rival_hybrids_03_1-0821-450x240.jpg)

Looks okay.
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: Dazzler on August 22, 2014, 08:04:38
I reckon they are the way to go .. You get the torque and economy of the Diesel without the slight extra fuel cost. I find the drivetrain a bit more refined than the diesel too.. Although saying that a Diesel Hybrid would be nice!  :mrgreen:

Now I better read the article.  :-[
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: Shambles on August 22, 2014, 08:12:37
I'd consider a diesel hybrid.


They'd have to tidy up the interior though ...

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Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: cruiserfied on August 22, 2014, 08:39:15
Quote from: Shambles on August 22, 2014, 08:12:37
I'd consider a diesel hybrid.


They'd have to tidy up the interior though ...

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And push the seat back. Seriously was a midget driving.

I'm not sure the petrol/electric platform is 100% the way to go though. But without the infrastructure hydrogen just isn't ready (even if Hyundai is)
http://www.hyundai.com.au/about-hyundai/news/articles/hyundai-s-ix35-fuel-cell-undertakes-record-hydrogen-powered-drive
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: The Gonz on August 22, 2014, 08:46:10
Quote from: Shambles on August 22, 2014, 08:12:37
fuel-cell-undertakes-record-hydrogen-powered-drive
For me it's overtaking or it's nothing. :disapp:
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: cruiserfied on August 22, 2014, 08:57:29
Quote from: The Gonz on August 22, 2014, 08:46:10
Quote from: Shambles on August 22, 2014, 08:12:37
fuel-cell-undertakes-record-hydrogen-powered-drive
For me it's overtaking or it's nothing. :disapp:
Undertaking is just a sneaky way of overtaking lol.
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: tohis on August 22, 2014, 20:46:49
Quote from: cruiserfied on August 22, 2014, 08:39:15
I'm not sure the petrol/electric platform is 100% the way to go though. But without the infrastructure hydrogen just isn't ready (even if Hyundai is)
:link: Hyundai?s ix35 Fuel Cell undertakes record hydrogen-powered drive - Hyundai Motor Company Australia (http://www.hyundai.com.au/about-hyundai/news/articles/hyundai-s-ix35-fuel-cell-undertakes-record-hydrogen-powered-drive)

I think the biggest problem with hydrogen is how to produce it in large quantities and cheap enough. Annual need worldwide, to replace oil-based fuels, would be billions of tonnes. Producing just 1 kg of hydrogen from water takes about 50 kWh of electricity, so it would take astronomical amounts of power to go with it. Producing hydrogen from natural gas takes significantly less power, but the gas resources will not last forever.
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: AlanHo on August 22, 2014, 21:40:05
Diesel + Europe = DPF
DPF + Infrequent hybrid use = ???
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: diablo on August 22, 2014, 21:43:05
Quote from: tohis on August 22, 2014, 20:46:49
Quote from: cruiserfied on August 22, 2014, 08:39:15
I'm not sure the petrol/electric platform is 100% the way to go though. But without the infrastructure hydrogen just isn't ready (even if Hyundai is)
:link: Hyundai?s ix35 Fuel Cell undertakes record hydrogen-powered drive - Hyundai Motor Company Australia (http://www.hyundai.com.au/about-hyundai/news/articles/hyundai-s-ix35-fuel-cell-undertakes-record-hydrogen-powered-drive)

I think the biggest problem with hydrogen is how to produce it in large quantities and cheap enough. Annual need worldwide, to replace oil-based fuels, would be billions of tonnes. Producing just 1 kg of hydrogen from water takes about 50 kWh of electricity, so it would take astronomical amounts of power to go with it. Producing hydrogen from natural gas takes significantly less power, but the gas resources will not last forever.

I think some people think that because hydrogen is a component of water then it must be free. Though of course, as mentioned above, it needs lots of energy to separate it.

So really it is just another way of storing energy, almost like a battery.

I have seen some articles about catalysts and techniques  which supposedly make it much easier to split water up, so who knows for the future ?? :)
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: cruiserfied on August 23, 2014, 01:15:54
Being in its early stages it is definitely at a higher cost.
I don't claim to have any expertise on the matter just know what I've read online and from what I have read it seems once infrastructure improves production costs of hydrogen could be lower than that of petrol.

http://heshydrogen.com/hydrogen-fuel-cost-vs-gasoline/

I like the hydrogen option and think it's better than petrol hybrids because a petrol hybrid still relies on a product which is limited and controlled by tycoons. Hydrogen can be made on site at the fuel station and will never run out.

However it will never replace good old fossil fuels for me.
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 23, 2014, 02:23:43
You can rest assured that if Hydrogen gets established, SOMEONE will monopolize the control of it., so we continue to get ripped off.
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: The Gonz on August 23, 2014, 05:25:06
 :whsaid:
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: pug20g on August 23, 2014, 15:13:56
This is the hybrid I was waiting for (LPG/Electric) - it didn't quite make it even though I believe the Aus fuelling infrastructure is similar to Korea in regards to LPG availability.

:link: fuel bills with LPG hybrid car (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/10-fuel-bills-with-lpg-hybrid-car-20080605-1444o.html)
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: AlanHo on August 23, 2014, 17:38:28
The production of hydrogen - by whatever method - requires electrical power. At present electrical generation is mainly from burning fossil fuels, gas or oil for which we obtain from unreliable political sources.

Hence changing to hydrogen will not solve all our energy supply problems
Title: Re: i30 hybrid testing ?
Post by: Dazzler on August 23, 2014, 22:14:47
Quote from: pug20g on August 23, 2014, 15:13:56
This is the hybrid I was waiting for (LPG/Electric) - it didn't quite make it even though I believe the Aus fuelling infrastructure is similar to Korea in regards to LPG availability.

:link: fuel bills with LPG hybrid car (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/10-fuel-bills-with-lpg-hybrid-car-20080605-1444o.html)
thanks.. don't recall seeing that article before (I realise it is 6 years old now)  :goodjob:
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