[davesnelson]

Hi Guys,

I'm new here, but my i30 is not new. I bought it in Oct 07 and I have racked up 102,000 miles. The car is fine and drives like it did when it was new. However, I have a front tyre wear problem which has developed since the car was about 60k old. The car now gets through front tyres by scrubbing the inner corner down to the cord and it does this on both sides. The tracking is not out, its been checked many times. The main dealer cannot find a fault. I have seen on other forums people are getting the same problem as me.

Has anyone found a cure or the fault itself?

Thank you in advance
Dave

[Alasama]

for a single tire, wear out on one side, that's the calibration problem. if wear out on both sides, tire pressure is not enough. actual tire pressure should be higher than dealer recommended. I pump them to 38psi.
my front tires worn out on inner side, too. I changed them at 14000km.

[Gibber]

Hi and welcome.

Strange symptoms, I am sure someone on here will be able to help. What engine, rim and brand of tyre?

Hopefully the dealer checked wear on the suspension?

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[Dazzler]

Welcome Dave.. It appears you are in Britain..(better late than never to our forum)

A bit hard for our Tyre Guru (Surferdude AKA Trev) to diagnose from 1000;s of Miles away but hopefully he can give it a good shot...

[beerman]

Any number of suspension parts could cause this. My old XD Falcon used to do the same, it got to the point that the new tyres would do a tour of duty on the rear before being moved to the front, just so I got a few k's out of them.  On the XD it was the ball joints, but this was obvious to all who went to do a wheel alignment.

In the end I went with second hand tyres (I know I know), but the thinking was that if I was only going to get 15k out of them, they might as well be cheap, and have done a few K's elsewhere first (never had any problems with them either).

As an aside, at about 160,000k has anyone got a higher milage I30 on here? Wasn't there a thread a while ago looking for reports from owhers of over 100k cars?

[Surferdude]

Hi Guys,

I'm new here, but my i30 is not new. I bought it in Oct 07 and I have racked up 102,000 miles. The car is fine and drives like it did when it was new. However, I have a front tyre wear problem which has developed since the car was about 60k old. The car now gets through front tyres by scrubbing the inner corner down to the cord and it does this on both sides. The tracking is not out, its been checked many times. The main dealer cannot find a fault. I have seen on other forums people are getting the same problem as me.

Has anyone found a cure or the fault itself?

Thank you in advance
Dave

Hi Dave,
I'll have a go at pointing you in the right direction.

Firstly though, I'd be interested in links to the"other forums" because the only times I've seen issues with tyre wear such as you describe it is an alignment problem. I'd like to see what they say and what they've tried.

I also have to disagree with alasama although he may simply not have explained his point clearly enough for me to understand.

Anyway, to your problem. Tyre wear on BOTH inside shoulders indicates excessive "toe out". There would be no indication of this while driving as the front wheels tend to self centre as you roll forward, but both tyres are being distorted and trying to pull away from the rims. If you had wear on only one inside shoulder that would tend to indicate a camber problem on that wheel.

I find it surprising that a dealer can't diagnose and rectify that problem. Incidentally, if the toe out was caused by some suspension sagging, there would be a camber issue as well.  Either way, the alignment setting would show up on a decent wheel alignment machine.

You don't say who has been looking at your alignment but I would suggest you go talk to a reputable tyre dealer (or two) and let him see the tyre wear before he puts the car on a machine.

Having said all that, I'm making the assumption the tyres aren't separated because if they were you wouldn't be able to drive the car for the vibration and by now you'd have peeled a tread and a guard off.

Please keep us posted as to what happens.

And feel free to pm me if you want to go into more detail.

Trev

[de Bounce]

I picked my new MY11 CW in September 2010 from the dealer.
First stop the next day was to a trusted wheel alignment specialist who tweaked the factory settings.

The dealer commented after the 15000k service that mine felt different on the road to other i30's so the tweak is enough to be noticeable and it has no unusual tyre wear patterns.

[2i30s]

  i run -2mm toe on my front end and -1mm toe on the rear. it needed tyres at 30,000kms and my car is lowered and driven fairly spirited through corners. i had the wife's bog stock i30 cw wheel alignment done within days of buying it and my hatch. her car has 30,000kms on it also, and the factory tyres still look like they are new.  i run 38psi on the cw and 35psi on my hatch. 

[Doggie 1]

Interesting this.
I got around 68,000 kms from my first set on my diesel i30.
And then at 91,000 kms I had the same issue - both front tyres chopped out on the inside. The alignment was checked and found to be spot on.
The tyre place cannot explain it and have recommended that I just rotate them more often.
But no explanation as to why it didn't happen on the first set of tyres but has on this.
They suggested maybe suspension wear??

[rustynutz]

I think I'd be going to a different tyre place if that's all they've got to offer.....
Btw, did they give it a wheel alignment when they put the second set of tyres on at 68,000k?

I think I'd be going to a different tyre place if that's all they've got to offer.....
Btw, did they give it a wheel alignment when they put the second set of tyres on at 68,000k?

I was going to say the same... what is the point of just distributing abnormal wear? Just makes it less obvious. Same wear though!

For this reason I only rotate my tyres at estimated half life of the fronts so that I can monitor their wear long term. I then swap my best (spare) with the near side front. I've just done that at 30k.

If there was no other explanation I'd at least pull a bit of tow-in because that wear suggests tow-out under driving conditions that may not be seen statically. Or the equipment is poorly calibrated. I'd rather trust the empirical evidence than the machine.

[Gibber]

The tyre place cannot explain it and have recommended that I just rotate them more often.

Good way of selling more tyres, cut their life span! And why not charge you to rotate them in between.

Definitely think suspension components worn.

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[rustynutz]

Definitely think suspension components worn.

Or a dodgy wheel alignment....

[Doggie 1]

I think I'd be going to a different tyre place if that's all they've got to offer.....
Btw, did they give it a wheel alignment when they put the second set of tyres on at 68,000k?

Yes, they did a wheel alignment & four wheel balance.

[Doggie 1]

Definitely think suspension components worn.

Has this been a problem with diesel i30s?

[Gibber]

Might want to check this out, but if you rule out inflation issues and alignment that leaves suspension. At 100,000+ miles, things start to wear!
http://www.procarcare.com/includes/content/resourcecenter/encyclopedia/ch25/25readtirewear.html

Possibly more likely to wear quicker on the heavier front end of a diesel which weighs a little bit more than a petrol.

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Or a dodgy wheel alignment....

+1
If the tyres are wearing where they shouldn't they are telling you something. Believe what you see and not the guy saying there is nothing wrong. Go elsewhere and if the alignment is out tell the first guy about it.

[rustynutz]

I think I'd be going to a different tyre place if that's all they've got to offer.....
Btw, did they give it a wheel alignment when they put the second set of tyres on at 68,000k?

Yes, they did a wheel alignment & four wheel balance.

I reckon that's the answer then....it wouldn't be the first time someone stuffed up with a wheel alignment.
I had it happen to me years back and from that point on my car scrubbed out tyres where previously it didn't, which is why I don't get my cars done anymore unless there's an actual issue.
Don't fix what ain't broke, is my motto! 

Anyhow, I'd certainly get a second opinion.....The first place isn't likely to admit they stuffed up and are probably just covering their arse by saying the alignment is spot on.
As for worn suspension, I wouldn't consider 91,000k high milage so I would tend to think wear would be pretty mininmal....it's possible, I guess, but I reckon it's more an alignment issue.

[Surferdude]

91,000 klms is not high mileage. There should be nothing worn enough to cause that issue. Like other posters, I think the alignment was out - either poorly set or moved for some reason during service.
It's a good argument for keeping a close eye on your tyre wear yourself.
Any sign of feathering which happens before too much damage is done to the rubber, off to a wheel aligner.

[Surferdude]

Firstly, can a mod transfer this into the Tyres Section?

Secondly, on tyre wear on the shoulder, I took these (awful) pics at work today. This Golf came in on a tow truck with a front tyre gone flat. Had worn so badly through the belts it had ruptured itself. The other front one was almost as bad.

[Dazzler]

From what you have said before not the first and won't be the last you see like that.. Interesting pictures though 

[Surferdude]

From what you have said before not the first and won't be the last you see like that.. Interesting pictures though 

The bit I didn't tell you was that we'd replaced his rear tyres some time back and told him then his front ones needed replacing AT THE SAME TIME.
BUt he drove until one blew and then had to fork out for a tow truck on top of the new tyres.

[Dazzler]

The bit I didn't tell you was that we'd replaced his rear tyres some time back and told him then his front ones needed replacing AT THE SAME TIME.
BUt he drove until one blew and then had to fork out for a tow truck on top of the new tyres.

Serves him right 

[beerman]

I would have gone elsewhere for the tyres.....Less embarassing

Interesting how it has worn right on the inner edge, and not much more.

[Surferdude]

I would have gone elsewhere for the tyres.....Less embarassing

Interesting how it has worn right on the inner edge, and not much more.

Yeah. It's a puzzle. I've seen it before. The alignment was OK. Pressure (on the one still inflated) was OK.
Just thinking about ti, it's always on the INSIDE shoulders.

[beerman]

If you're having an alignment/excessive wear problem would Mastercraft tyres with their guaranteed mileage be of use?

[rustynutz]

If you're having an alignment/excessive wear problem would Mastercraft tyres with their guaranteed mileage be of use?

Mastercraft stipulate in their brochure:

"that you must have an inspection by your authorised Mastercraft Dealer every 10,000 kilometres for a routine check on all mechanical parts relevant to the wear and performance of your tyres to ensure there is no mechanical reason that may be causing rapid tyre wear. It may be necessary for your vehicle to undergo a wheel alignment and wheel balance which may incur an additional cost".

[Surferdude]

If you're having an alignment/excessive wear problem would Mastercraft tyres with their guaranteed mileage be of use?

Yes beerman. They probably would. As rusty quotes, 10,000 klm services are required. I think I'd probably prefer to find the problem though. Unfortunately some drivers can't be bothered calling back regularly enough even for a visual check.

The Mastercraft tyres are passenger versions of the well regarded Cooper 4WD brand. Same company.
And the Cooper mileage guarantee seems to be very well regarded by its users.
I had little to do with Coopers until I came back to Queensland 4 years ago and have discovered they are exceptional tyres and very easy to sell.

Incidentally I replaced my Hankooks today.
Look for a separate topic with some pics and early observations sometime tonight.

[davesnelson]

Hi Guys,

I'm new here, but my i30 is not new. I bought it in Oct 07 and I have racked up 102,000 miles. The car is fine and drives like it did when it was new. However, I have a front tyre wear problem which has developed since the car was about 60k old. The car now gets through front tyres by scrubbing the inner corner down to the cord and it does this on both sides. The tracking is not out, its been checked many times. The main dealer cannot find a fault. I have seen on other forums people are getting the same problem as me.

Has anyone found a cure or the fault itself?

Thank you in advance
Dave

Hi Dave,
I'll have a go at pointing you in the right direction.

Firstly though, I'd be interested in links to the"other forums" because the only times I've seen issues with tyre wear such as you describe it is an alignment problem. I'd like to see what they say and what they've tried.

I also have to disagree with alasama although he may simply not have explained his point clearly enough for me to understand.

Anyway, to your problem. Tyre wear on BOTH inside shoulders indicates excessive "toe out". There would be no indication of this while driving as the front wheels tend to self centre as you roll forward, but both tyres are being distorted and trying to pull away from the rims. If you had wear on only one inside shoulder that would tend to indicate a camber problem on that wheel.

I find it surprising that a dealer can't diagnose and rectify that problem. Incidentally, if the toe out was caused by some suspension sagging, there would be a camber issue as well.  Either way, the alignment setting would show up on a decent wheel alignment machine.

You don't say who has been looking at your alignment but I would suggest you go talk to a reputable tyre dealer (or two) and let him see the tyre wear before he puts the car on a machine.

Having said all that, I'm making the assumption the tyres aren't separated because if they were you wouldn't be able to drive the car for the vibration and by now you'd have peeled a tread and a guard off.

Please keep us posted as to what happens.

And feel free to pm me if you want to go into more detail.

Trev

Hi Trev and thanks. Yes I am in the UK and have had my car looked at many times now by Eastham Motors - they can't find anything wrong. Today I have just lost another tyre and that brings the total to 6!!. The car is a 2.0L CRDI delievred to me in October 2007 and I have done 103,000 miles (165,000km) and it has had a full service history at that one dealer. I have now telephoned Hyundai UK and I wasn't impressed by the fact that someone said "let me log your details and we'll get back to you". The car is actually now dangerous because you cannot see the wear; it is so "inboard" (meaning that the wear is scrubbing off the shoulder between the tread and the sidewall) that it just doesn't show, even when you turn the sterring on full lock - it would fool a copper checking my tyres! There is still 5mm left on the tread.

At my wits end 

[davesnelson]

Interesting this.
I got around 68,000 kms from my first set on my diesel i30.
And then at 91,000 kms I had the same issue - both front tyres chopped out on the inside. The alignment was checked and found to be spot on.
The tyre place cannot explain it and have recommended that I just rotate them more often.
But no explanation as to why it didn't happen on the first set of tyres but has on this.
They suggested maybe suspension wear??

Exactly my case! The car was fine up to 60,000 miles.