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Title: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 07, 2012, 09:38:18
All will be revealed tomorrow, hopefully.  :neutral:
Title: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: TazManiac on July 07, 2012, 13:10:24
I actually tried to take the rheostat out today and all I got was a sore hand and the removal of the blanking plate on the right hand side. Very interested.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 07, 2012, 13:26:10
I had posted the solution earlier, but as they say "Houston we have a problem" which I want to check out tomorrow, then I'll re post.  :neutral:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 08, 2012, 03:31:34
Sadly, I have to report that the modification I performed was unsuccessful.

Yesterday I posted the mod in detail & was informed later that although the lights came on, so too did the parking lights, (I didn't notice this in daylight), even with the light switch off. To avoid confusion I deleted the detailed information.

Today I inserted a diode to block the power from getting to the parking lights and the result is that the parking lights do not light at the wrong time any more and the instrument lights refuse to light up. So basically my modification doesn't work.

The only other way, would be to dismantle the instruments and provide my mod to the circuit board at the back, but I'm definitely not prepared to do that, sorry chaps.  :mad: :fum: :blubber:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 08, 2012, 03:46:27
Thanks for the effort anyhow, Phil..... :goodjob:

Personally I've never had a problem seeing the dash during the day so not sure what all the fuss is about.... :undecided:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on July 08, 2012, 04:38:17
Thanks for the effort anyhow, Phil..... :goodjob:

 :whsaid:

Personally I've never had a problem seeing the dash during the day so not sure what all the fuss is about.... :undecided:

I reckon the dash needs lights on all the time .. I guess those that agree will just have to drive with the parks on  :confused:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 01:07:16
Unfortunately, for me, my personality won't allow me to abandon this idea. I know some people don't have an issue with the lights, but I do. In my driving yesterday I needed to put parking lights on the see the instruments clearly due to weather.

I've been thinking about my previous failed attempt and sneakily, I think I've worked out a solution. However, it will be a long explanation and not tried by me as I don't think I can get access to the car to try it.

If enough people are interested in undertaking the mod, let me know chaps & lasses  :neutral:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 14, 2012, 02:37:33
As Winston Churchill said, "Never, never, never give up."  :D
Title: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: TazManiac on July 14, 2012, 02:49:33
I think it needs to be done. Let us know how... Please.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 04:32:08
I have ordered a workshop manual CD from Scotland :exclaim: just waiting for it to arrive, so I can confirm my theory and then I'll update here ASAP  :neutral:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on July 14, 2012, 05:53:49
I have ordered a workshop manual CD from Scotland :exclaim: just waiting for it to arrive, so I can confirm my theory and then I'll update here ASAP  :neutral:

 :goodjob2: :goodjob:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 14, 2012, 10:09:03
I have ordered a workshop manual CD from Scotland :exclaim: just waiting for it to arrive, so I can confirm my theory and then I'll update here ASAP  :neutral:

It will be in Scottish, you need one in English.... :p
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 14, 2012, 10:09:51
I have ordered a workshop manual CD from Scotland :exclaim: just waiting for it to arrive, so I can confirm my theory and then I'll update here ASAP  :neutral:

It will be in Scottish, you need one in English.... :p

We have translators on the forum.  :)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on July 14, 2012, 10:11:08
Aye wee do... :lol:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 14, 2012, 10:12:06
Aye wee do... :lol:

laddee  :)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 14, 2012, 10:23:19
I wonder if it's the same workshop manual you got, Daz?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on July 14, 2012, 10:45:22
I wonder if it's the same workshop manual you got, Daz?  :undecided:

I forgot about that.  :-[  I'll have to find it and drop Phil a line.. :idea:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 14, 2012, 10:48:38
Probably a bit late now seeing as he's ordered.... :)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Surferdude on July 14, 2012, 11:03:18
I know this concerns some people and understand their worrries re visibility.
But, if as Phil says, when it's overcast and gloomy, wouldn't it be best to have the parkers on anyway?
So when the instrument lights are difficult to read, it's a warning about visibility on the road.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on July 14, 2012, 11:05:17
Good point Trev.. I didn't have a problem just putting the parkers on  :cool:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Surferdude on July 14, 2012, 11:06:18
Good point Trev.. I didn't have a problem just putting the parkers on  :cool:
Yair. It's what I do too.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: eye30 on July 14, 2012, 11:46:37
I have ordered a workshop manual CD from Scotland :exclaim: just waiting for it to arrive, so I can confirm my theory and then I'll update here ASAP  :neutral:

I take it this the Manufacturer's manual not the "Haynes" (DIY) manual?
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 11:56:55
No, its only a cheapie, but hopefully enough to tell me the wiring layout.  :exclaim:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 14, 2012, 11:59:44
What made you get one from Scotland, Phil?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 12:02:28
ebay, that's where it is   :)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 14, 2012, 12:13:22
Oh, you must've missed this one then:

:link: (http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYUNDAI-i30-2008-2011-PRO-WORKSHOP-MANUAL-/180928236789?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D599758792557893313%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D4%26)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 12:15:04
Knew about that one, but no diesel info  :fum:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on July 14, 2012, 12:30:54
Ok, unusual to find one with the diesel...... :goodjob:

We'll be waiting for a full review... :whistler:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 12:56:22
Better tell em to send it via Alan Ho then   :whistler:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: baroudeur on July 14, 2012, 17:37:42
Aye wee do... :lol:

http://www.lexilogos.com/english/gaelic_scottish_dictionary.htm (http://www.lexilogos.com/english/gaelic_scottish_dictionary.htm)     :goodjob:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: baroudeur on July 14, 2012, 17:44:30
I have ordered a workshop manual CD from Scotland :exclaim: just waiting for it to arrive, so I can confirm my theory and then I'll update here ASAP  :neutral:

Can you give details/link please?
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 14, 2012, 23:20:58
I hope I don't need that, looks quite scary  :faint:
Title: Solution for: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: pjotr_weliki on September 18, 2012, 14:27:22
you can find my solution to solve this problem here:


http://www.hyundaiboard.de/thread.php?postid=154356#post154356 (http://www.hyundaiboard.de/thread.php?postid=154356#post154356)


Gruß,
Pjotr
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2012, 14:52:18
Thankyou pjotr_weliki  :goodjob:

I translated it with "Google Translate"

Quote
I have now found a solution to the problem, and yesterday in my i30 ISG fold lift installed.
 The whole thing works fine, go all the instrument lights and illuminated pushbuttons, switches, etc. cigarette lighter or both off the lights when ignition key to "ON" and also the rheostat does what it should.

 And now the best part: the whole thing is 15 minutes work costs, 5mm solder and 2cm scotch tape!

 First Remove fuse cover on the dashboard
 Second the aperture in the lid is secure, remove through getting pulling the door from the far side rubber
 Third Controls how Leuchweiteregelung remove etc. by pressing the back and pull the plug
 4th the 2 screws at the side of the lower instrument panel
 5th below loosen the other 2 screws from the lower instrument panel
 6th the lower instrument panel to the upper 2 clips carefully loosen and swing down
 7th OBD connector unclip or unscrew the plate.
 8th the two connectors I / PB and I / PC which is directly behind the other pull
 9th the red / orange wire on pin 3 of connector I / PC 2cm from the plug to 5mm Strip Length
 10th the pink (pink) wire from pin 18 of the black connector I / PB 2cm from the plug to cut and solder it to the red / orange wire on pin 3 of connector I / PC
 11th the solder joint with Scotch tape to isolate
 12th reassemble it
 13th enjoy a bottle of beer, open up and grin

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/fusebox.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Instrumentlighting-at-at-Z-ignition-ON.jpg)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: pjotr_weliki on September 18, 2012, 15:01:18
google translation is wrong:
example " ...and also the rheostat does not what it should"
right translation is " ...and also the rheostat does what it should"

I will try tomorrow to translate, but my english is not the best...

Gruß
Pjotr
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2012, 15:04:28
Thanks for the correction, Pjotr  :goodjob:

I have changed my post to show this....
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Asterix on September 18, 2012, 19:00:49
Hi Pjotr

Thanks for the how-to.  :goodjob2:

Will see if I can get that mod done to my car...
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Shambles on September 18, 2012, 19:06:31
you can find my solution to solve this problem here:

Nice work Peter - thanks for sharing it with your new best forum ;)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on September 18, 2012, 21:58:24
you can find my solution to solve this problem here:

Nice work Peter - thanks for sharing it with your new best forum ;)

 :whsaid:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: pjotr_weliki on September 19, 2012, 10:36:07
today my translation:

I have found a solution to solve the problem now, and installed in my i30 cw facelift ISG yesterday.
Everything works perfectly, the instrument lights and also the illuminated pushbuttons, switches, cigarette lighter etc., when ignition key to "ON" and also the rheostat does what he have to do, independent if the headlights switch is on or off.

And now the best: The whole work are 15 minutes, costs 5 mm solder and 2 cm Scotch tape!

1. Remove fuse cover on the dashboard
2. Dismount the bezel where the fuse cover sits, by start courage pulling on the side away from the door rubber
3. Remove the push buttons and controls by pressing with fingers from backwards and pull out all plugs
4. Unscrew the 2 screws at the side of the lower instrument panel
5. Loosen the other 2 screws below from the lower instrument panel
6. Carefully loosen the lower instrument panel at the upper 2 clips and move the panel down
7. Unclip the OBD connector or unscrew the metal plate
8. Pull off the two connectors I/P-B und I/P-C, which are directly in a row (If necessary pull out all others. The plugs cannot mixed up)
9. Unisolate the red/orange wire on pin 3 of connector I/PC approx. away 2 cm from the plug for a length of 5mm
10. Cut the pink wire from pin 18 of the black connector I/PB approx. away 2cm from the plug. Strip it and solder it at the red/orange wire on pin 3 of connector I/PC
11. Isolate the solder joint with Scotch tape
12. Reassemble everything
13. Open a bottle of beer, enjoy and grin

Picture and schematic see Appendix.

Regards
Pjotr
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on September 19, 2012, 10:53:08
Excellent  :goodjob: (I've stickied the topic)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 19, 2012, 11:00:30
I'm glad that's resolved now, I don't care who comes up with the solution as long as it gets to the forum members. Well done !

BTW I've been forbidden to do the mod  :Pout:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Dazzler on September 19, 2012, 11:05:34

BTW I've been forbidden to do the mod  :Pout:

Don't you hate that  :undecided: :disapp:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 19, 2012, 11:09:40
It's a real downer  :'(
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2012, 11:18:51
Doesn't the i30 require servicing this weekend?  :p  :winker:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 19, 2012, 11:25:47
Actually it is coming up soon but I wouldn't get away with that  :neutral:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: The Gonz on March 31, 2013, 12:26:23
Bump!

So does this mean we have a workable strategy for fitting DRLs to an FD?
I'm not about to dive in any time soon but I think a bunch of people would like to have that option. Which solution looks the most promising?
If none is feasible, any ideas on which lines to tap to extract the right logic for an independent relay to do the work without messing up the other functions?
If answers aren't forthcoming, anyone point me to a reliable (genuinely representative) schematic? Is this what's coming via Scotland?

So many questions!  :faint:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 31, 2013, 12:42:28
This thread is specifically for instrument lighting.

To answer your questions,

DRL's have been fitted by many members & the method generally is to wire from the light feed to a relay which disconnects with headlamp on.

The schematic from Scotland turned out to be a pirate copy of hy service software and was ogf no use at all to me, I got my money back.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: The Gonz on March 31, 2013, 13:05:47
Ah, context is everything. I see with some more reading what is wanted is an always-illuminated dash. If Pjotr's info won't do it and neither will the dud stuff from Haggisland, I'd be looking at tapping into some of the persistent illumination elsewhere on the dash such as the aircon panel.

I don't expect it to be as simple as a fuse to centre dash jumping contact to a fuse to instrument cluster but you never know.  :whistler:

Does anyone have the all-important schematic?   :clapping:
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 31, 2013, 13:08:24
As I said Gonz, I've already done it, it's the pink wire from the "rheostat" that lights the dash. That's easy, stopping the darn parking lights is the problem.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: The Gonz on March 31, 2013, 13:23:19
Sorry, Phil, I'm seriously behind on what's been tried.

That pink wire must still be common to both circuits if the parkers are coming on as well. That's not where I'd be looking. There are bits that turn on at IGN without the switch action that turns on the parkers, so a schematic would help locate a suitable point for the new connection.

You effectively have to disconnect the cluster's illumination from the parker circuit and reconnect it to the IGN line. If the fusebox won't offer a convenient point, it looks like surgery.  :whistler:

... You've obviously been over this detail already, hence your idea of using a diode to block the relay's action. I'll look at the German schematic and see if it's of any use.

... The schematic and Pjotr's instructions appear to simply dispense with the DRL relay and divert to the cluster fuse instead. I don't see yet how this will preserve DRL function.

I still think a better signal (power) separation between parkers and cluster has to occur, and an accurate schematic will show what the best approach will be.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: nulda on April 01, 2013, 12:37:51
can you add video?
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: ouri30 on April 01, 2013, 13:05:33
Haven't read all the posts, but I would ave thought starting at the dimmer switch might have worked?  Anyone tried that?
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 01, 2013, 18:37:00
Yes, it's what I did originally in this thread, but I withdrew the info because the parking light problem eventuated, so getting instruments on is easy but not without parkers at the moment.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: v3n0m on April 14, 2013, 12:16:11
Just gave it a shot, but was kind of disappointed to find all those big OEM connectors.
Although I could, I don't really like to cut the existing wiring, so I'll have to find another way I guess.
In my previous car, I just connected it between the headunit power wires (aftermarket unit, so seperate wires were available), without cutting any original wiring.
DANG!

Thanks though  :goodjob: getting to the fusebox wasn't that hard (just one very stubborn clip on the panel below the steeringwheel, rest was a breeze)
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 14, 2013, 12:28:50
Yes, the member that performed the instrument modification said it didn't take very long. I must say I'm a little surprised that you didn't follow through with your modification, given that you went to the trouble of uncovering all the wires.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: v3n0m on April 14, 2013, 13:38:04
cr*p.... posted in the wrong thread, so a bit offtopic... sorry guys! was about my attempt to connect the phone charger to the fusebox.
Title: Re: Instrument Lights On With Ignition
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 14, 2013, 13:46:29
It is my thread so no worries.  :goodjob2:
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