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GENERAL STUFF => TEST DRIVES & TESTIMONIALS => Topic started by: AlanHo on February 24, 2012, 23:24:02

Title: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 24, 2012, 23:24:02
I have now spent several hours at the Silverstone Race Centre attending a customer user experience with Hyundai to test drive the new 2012 i30 and give Hyundai feedback of my opinions about the new car. The previous few days had been taken up with dealerships being afforded the opportunity to be shown the car and it was only at the last minute that Hyundai had decided to extend the show by a further day to invite selected prospective customers to be given the same experience.

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The considerable amount of information posted on this forum had been most useful and allowed me to concentrate on those areas of particular interest to me – not least the level of refinement and cabin noise in the car, and the chance to compare the 1.4 petrol version with the 1.6 diesel models. Regular members of the forum will know that I have significant hearing loss and wear hearing aids. My present i30 is by no means a noisy car - but still a problem for me to hold a conversation in. I was therefore keen to try the new car and check whether the claimed improvement in refinement was enough to get me to buy one.


I do not apologise for the fact that I only took a detailed interest in the top of the range Style and Style Nav models because I had already decided that that was where my interest lay – if indeed I could be tempted into part exchanging my current 2010 i30 CRDi Premium for the latest model.  However, I must admit that the Classic base model has a commendable range of standard features and a high quality interior. Externally, only the naff wheel covers on steel wheels and lack of twin chrome bars in the front radiator grill betray its basement bargain status.  My first impressions of the Style model were totally favourable – it has great road presence, is well appointed, roomy, comfortable, a high standard of fit and finish and is a significant step up from the existing model in nearly all respects. However - there are a few disappointments which I will mention later.


There were 33 people attending the event ranging from young petrol heads to geriatric teenagers. There are no prizes for guessing where my wife and I fitted into that spectrum. Hyundai had provided about 30 cars from the range for us to try out both on the public roads and on the Silverstone test facilities and Stowe track. We were split into two groups – one group to do the road course whilst the second group used the track and test facilities – after which the groups changed over.


My wife and I were in the group which used the test facilities first, followed by the public road experience. It gave me an unprecedented experience in being able to push a family car to its limits and sample the outstanding safety features built into the car – not least being the ESP (Electronic stability program), brake assist, and the 3 position flex steering system.

The first experience was to demonstrate the effectiveness of the ESP in three ways :-

The first test was emergency braking on a variable road surface. With the ESP switched off - the car was accelerated to about 60 mph (96 km/h) onto a straight section of track where the left half was smooth wet concrete and the other half rough tarmac. An emergency stop was then attempted whilst the left wheels of the car were on the smooth wet surface and the right wheels on the rough tarmac. It was impossible to stop the car from yawing and veering way over to the right. Enough to switch lanes on a normal road and have a head-on collision.
The same test was repeated with the ESP switched on – this time as soon as the car started to move to the right, all hell broke loose – the cadence braking on selected wheels kicked in causing a lot of noise and vibration and the steering automatically moved to the left keeping the car very much on the correct line. It was very impressive.

The second test was a swerve test. As before the car was accelerated to about 60 mph (96 km/h) to approach a line of cones across a flooded road simulating a stationary vehicle you had failed to notice until the last second. A few metres before hitting the cones the car was swerved to the left to miss them and immediately to the right to prevent running off the road. It was impossible – the car swerved away from the cones OK but then lost control when you tried to straighten up and spun violently – I don’t know how many times - finishing up facing the wrong way 50 meters down the road.
The same test was repeated with the ESP switched on – this time the car swerved to the left – and as soon as it was steered to the right and tried to spin, the ESP was activated, all hell broke loose – the cadence braking on selected wheels kicked in causing a lot of noise and vibration and the car recovered in a straight line. It was even more impressive.

The third test was a demonstration of the ESP was on the wet circular skid pan where we tried to maintain a circle at an increasing speed with the ESP off – under-steer quickly kicked in and you either had to back off or let the car drift out. With the ESP on – it was possible to maintain a much smaller circle at a far higher speed before the inevitable understeer took over – at which point the ESP kept you out of trouble.

We then took to the track where some tight chicanes had been set up and there was a variety of corners and bends to sample at various speeds. After a couple of circuits – the first one rather tentative – and the second one more adventurous - I gained sufficient confidence in the car to give it a good thrash – trying out the three different flex steer settings in the process. I was very happy with the stability of the car and the merits of the flex steer system. I am at a loss to understand why some magazine reviews have been critical of the steering – saying it lacks feel - especially at the straight ahead position. I found it much better than my current i30 but will concede that less adventurous motorists will probably leave it in the “normal” setting, rather than "sport" or "comfort" regardless of circumstances.

After the track experience we were then let loose on the public roads in a 1.6 CRDi 128 PS Style-Nav to follow a route prescribed by the pre-set sat-nav. The route took in several miles of fast double carriageway highways and a mixture of main and side roads with varying surfaces from very smooth to just awful. The car rides well on its 16” rims, has excellent controls and is quite refined, soaking up potholes much better than my present car. It feels like a much larger car in this respect. I took a decibel meter with me and was able to take cabin sound readings and compare these with my present car (which I took around the same route later) to prove what my ears were telling me. On rough surfaces it is about 6 dB quieter – but on the new ultra quiet tarmac I was not able to detect any difference with my present car. The car was fitted with quite attractive alloy wheels and Hankook Kinergy Eco 205 55 R16 tyres which had a rather strange floral pattern moulded in the sidewall. The tyres gripped well – even on the wet skid pan – and I was not able to fault them. The car seems to be very comfortable with more apparent room and a similar amount of cubby space to the existing car. All the controls and switchgear were well placed and easy to use with a comprehensive set of buttons on the steering wheel.

The luggage compartment  has roughly the same length and width as the present car but is 11 cm deeper – mainly because the car has a temporary spare wheel. The luggage compartment floor is 7cm lower than the rear seat backs which fold flat. Hence the floor is stepped when the seats are folded down. The claimed extra luggage volume compared with the present model seems to be entirely because of the extra depth – which may or may not be of practical value. That said – no other 5 door hatchback in its sector beats it for internal space or luggage capacity.

Most illustrations of the car on our forum have shown an electronic parking brake – but none of the cars I saw today had this – they all had a conventional handbrake. One of the demo drivers I spoke to (not a Hyundai – but a Silverstone employee) told me that the electronic brake had not found much favour – most people preferred a handbrake. He explained that the electronic parking brake was applied by pressing the normal brake pedal when the car was stationary – then locking them with the electronic switch. To unlock the brakes you either pushed down on the brake pedal and then released the electronic switch - or depressed the clutch to move off - which released the parking brake automatically. However - the system had less “feel” when moving away on an incline.

The manual gear change on the cars I tried was silky smooth and very light in all gears – a reminder of how notchy my current car is when changing to first and second gears.

There is no need for me to cover all the car features – the brochure and the wealth of information in other posts on the forum do that adequately - but there are some items I would like to comment on.

The direction indicators audible clicker is too quiet. The same problem as with my present i30. I do wish that car manufacturers would wake up to the fact that a goodly proportion of the population suffer from hearing loss. It is a problem not confined to us old fogies - many youngsters today are also suffering from significant hearing loss due to the high noise levels they are exposed to in clubs and other so-called places of entertainment. If a specific control for the driver to adjust volume is impractical, I would happily settle for dealer adjustable volume editing of audible alarms and signals.


The Sat-Nav has a large clear screen and uses Navtech mapping covering the whole of Europe in most European languages. Map updates are planned annually and will probably cost £100 per time. The display is larger - but no clearer than my Garmin Nuvi - and displays the current speed limit on most main roads. Traffic information on early cars is subject to a subscription but will be available as standard in the i30 from mid-2012. Any customers who buy the car before this time will be able to receive a free software update to activate this functionality when it becomes available. Speed cameras are not included. The sat-nav uses 4 digit post codes which is not as big a problem as I thought it would be. You enter the first 4 digits and the screen changes to a list of all the final (missing) 2 digits to choose from – then a screen with the initial letter of roads within that postcode for you to select, then a list of all roads with that initial letter. I found my road quite quickly on the very responsive touch screen. However - If you only know the full postcode and not the name of the road - you are not going to find it easy. Hyundai are expecting to issue a dealer fit software upgrade at the year end to upgrade the system to full post codes. 
The touch screen was a problem. In bright sunlight – it got washed out and the finger smears marred clarity – a problem I don’t get on my Garmin Nuvi. 
I asked if it was possible to import waypoints or POI’s to the sat-nav using USB or any other source – they were not able to answer the question but are getting back with a reply next week.
The Sat-nav doubles as a reversing camera screen. I have had experience with this feature on a Toyota Prius but the Hyundai one is superior with a very bright and sharp picture over which is superimposed a grid showing distances. I found reversing in tight spaces a doddle.

The Bluetooth mobile phone connection is most impressive. I thought that the voice recognition on my Garmin Nuvi was pretty good – but the Hyundai one is a revelation (to me). After entering your address book its ability to recognise spoken names – even from different people without any prior “training” of the car system is first class. My wife tried to fool it by badly mangling the name Heikki Kovalainen (which was in the dummy address book) but it was having none of it and pulled his name out straight away. When I asked it to ring "My Aunt Martha" it found the name immediately and repeated my request in what sounded suspiciously like my brummy accent - which was jolly amusing.

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The trip computer is a disappointment. It has two trips for distance – trip A and Trip B but only one trip for fuel economy, one for average speed and one for elapsed time. It also has instant fuel economy and distance to empty.
The main disappointment – bordering on stupidity – is that it cannot display fuel economy data in excess of 50 mpg (5.6 L/100km). In European markets where the data is in L/100Km this restriction does not apply. The Hyundai officials were embarrassed when I pointed out that it was crazy to launch the car (for which they claim great fuel economy figures) with a trip recorder with this fault - the driver cannot see the frugal performance in the display. They are hoping that a software patch in the future will correct this. The fuel economy trip can be reset to zero either manually or automatically each time you refuel – it is a setting in an options menu.

Another – but more minor disappointment – is that an auto dipping rear view mirror is neither fitted, nor on the options list.

My wife was disappointed to learn that the passenger seat lacks height adjustment – like my present car – and such an option is not going to be available.

Other options are a Convenience Pack – this includes auto fold door mirrors when ignition is off, puddle lamps in the mirrors, keyless entry, chrome door handles and illuminated door handles for the grand total of £750.

The panoramic roof costs £950

Servicing costs are improved. Service intervals are now 24 months or 20,000 miles with an intermediate inspection and oil change at 12 month intervals. In the UK a 3 year service plan costs £299 up front for those who do less than 12,500 miles per year. I imagine that this includes the first 12 month inspection/oil change, the 24 month service and the 36 month inspection/oil change - so only one full service is included in the plan.

The usual Hyundai 5 year unlimited mileage warranty applies and includes full RAC roadside assistance for the full period.

I also tried the 1.4 petrol car which was a little quieter than the diesel and seemed to have lots of pep. It was as Bumpkin described for his ix20 in a recent post. However – I managed to stall it a couple of times when moving off – I am too used to the low down torque of a diesel – but I am sure you would soon get used to the petrol and it wouldn’t be a problem.  (They had an ix20 for us to look at (but not drive) – nice car, surprisingly roomy but not as feature rich as the i30).

Other questions I am awaiting answers to from Hyundai are whether the recent diesel engine mods have included the addition of a dual mass flywheel (I hope not) and how and when the DPF is regenerated. My car has never shown any sign that the DPF has regenerated and I am curious what to look for and when.

So to conclude – I am very impressed with the car and will be buying one – but am still not decided on whether to go for the 1.4 petrol or the diesel. I will need more time in the cars when they are at the dealers in the next week or so. I also need to collect the data required to carry out a full and proper ownership cost comparison of both cars.

Oh – before I forget – the CW (estate) version is expected in the UK in July and will possibly cost £1000 to £1500 more than the hatch. Hyundai head office have yet to release official prices.

Edits
Traffic warnings on the Sat-nav will be free at mid -year via a free software update.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Dazzler on February 25, 2012, 01:06:48
You missed your vocation Alan. I'm sure the Hyundai Representitives were amazed by your i30 knowledge and foresight  :happydance:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 10:11:42
I need to re-visit my comments about the display of fuel economy on the new car.

The display that shows the instantaneous economy on the cars I drove were digital numbers like the present car. I was told that some versions get a pseudo analogue half clock digital display with a moving pointer.

The display that shows the trip economy is a horizontal bar - marked 0 - 25 - 50 mpg. The actual economy is displayed by the bar being filled from left to right to show a graphic image of the economy. No actual values are displayed - you have to interpolate between the 25 mpg spaced graduations.

So not only do UK buyers have to contend with not being able to see the economy data above 50 mpg - the trip information is just a graphic guide with no actual accurate data.

A totally stupid and mystifying error of judgement by Hyundai in my opinion. Perhaps they have bought shares in scangauge.

Perhaps if enough people here express their views on this - Hyundai will read it and see sense.  I still can't believe that Hyundai major on the fantastic economy of the new i30 as a selling point, yet hide the true figures from the driver.

Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: 2i30s on February 25, 2012, 10:45:28
excellent post Alan,i enjoyed Reading about the new i30 and your day out.  :mrgreen: :cool:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 10:50:03
Along with changes in engine mapping, better aerodynamics, weight trimming etc - the tyres fitted to the new i30 are claimed to make a considerable difference to its fuel economy.

Hankook Kinergy Eco claims by the manufacturer are....

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A new passenger car tyre range released by Hankook Tire in Europe is one the manufacturer says heralds a “new era in the tyre segment.” The range is called Kinergy Eco and takes its name from kinetic energy, or energy of motion – a clear nod to the tyre’s focus on reducing rolling resistance. Hankook states the Kinergy Eco “combines state-of-the-art Hankook tyre technology in the areas of safety, handling, and comfort with the environmental consciousness that is becoming an increasingly important criterion for today’s vehicles.”

The tyre maker reports it has successfully brought of “an impressive balancing act” with the Kinergy Eco. Specifically, by combining matericals such as silica nonoparticles – which Hankook notes “are thus far uncommon in this segment” – with the latest compound technologies, the manufacturer states it has reduced the new tyre’s rolling resistance by 12 per cent in comparison with unspecified conventional tyres currently available on the market. Hankook notes this reduction has not come at the expense of other properties and says “this versatile all-rounder really shines in safety-related disciplines, such as wet braking.” The Kinergy Eco offers about eight per cent shorter stopping distances by comparison to other tyres in its class, Hankook adds.

“To us, the Kinergy Eco heralds the dawn of a new era in tyres,” states Jin-Wook Choi, executive vice-president and European head of Hankook Tire. “Our society’s values have changed a great deal in recent years. People are more environmentally conscious in their thinking and their actions, and they want their tyres to also offer better fuel economy, but without sacrificing safety and driving comfort. In the Kinergy Eco, we have succeeded in creating this combination. But it is also clear that the safety of our consumers remains our top priority. We make no compromises on safety.”

The tyre’s asymmetrical tread pattern is said to “significantly” enhance its handling while making driving more comfortable and quieter on the whole. Wide longitudinal grooves are designed to offer protection from hydroplaning and the tyre’s tread block edges are ‘self-sharpening’, a quality Hankook says ensures “the necessary grip on both wet and dry driving surfaces.” Wider shoulder blocks and an enlarged contact area are featured to improve traction and stability in curves, even at high speeds, on a dry surface.


For sure - my experience on the track and skid pan proved that the tyres have excellent grip in the dry and wet with a high g forces in chicanes and fast bends. The emergency stops were also very effective. The tests on public roads proved that the car had lower noise levels and a softer ride than the present car - how much of this is down to tyres rather than the car I don't know.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Surferdude on February 25, 2012, 10:55:52
^^^
A good read.
I love the way marketing people at different companies can manage to make something sound "new" and "unique'.
From wiki...........

Note the date they've been around since. And it'd be a pretty backward manufacturer which didn't use silica in its tread compunds these days (again, since just afound 2000)

    Low-rolling resistance tires minimize wasted energy as a tire rolls, thereby decreasing required rolling effort — and in the case of automotive applications, improving vehicle fuel efficiency. Approximately 5–15% of the fuel consumed by a typical car may be used to overcome rolling resistance. A 2003 California Energy Commission (CEC) preliminary study estimated that adoption of low-rolling resistance tires could save 1.5–4.5% of all gasoline consumption, but that current data were also insufficient to compare safety and other characteristics. A database of much more complete data will be released by the CEC pending completion of an ongoing study
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 25, 2012, 11:01:33
Alan is that avatar a glimpse into the future by any chance & is it diesel or petrol  :question:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: baroudeur on February 25, 2012, 11:50:22
How refreshing to see such a well written post, such a rarity these days.

That being so, is it correct to assume to stationery vehicle belonged to W.H. Smith?  ;)







Joking of course.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: eye30 on February 25, 2012, 12:54:42
Really enjoyed the write up.

Better than anything you will get in a magazine.

Just watch out that a journo doesn't nick your write up and pass as their own...

From reading that I'll be popping along to see it in the flesh and asking for a test drive.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Doggie 1 on February 25, 2012, 13:49:12
Great report Alan, thanks.
 :goodjob2: :goodjob: :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 14:17:56
I'll be popping along to see it in the flesh and asking for a test drive.

Brace yourself for when you take your first look at the car in the flesh. My first sight was to see about 30 of them - all lined up in the old Le Mans 24 hour race style - a mix of all the available colours and versions.

My first impression was not what I had expected - to my eyes the car looked smaller than the present one and the dropped waistline just behind the front of the drivers door seemed more pronounced than the photos. For a second or two - I felt disappointed - but a closer and longer look overcame my first impression and I found the styling very appealing.

The new car in reality is slightly wider and slightly longer than the present one - but is a tad lower. Hence the styling must be such that the car seems sleeker but smaller.  Inside the car you immediately appreciate it isn't smaller - in fact it looks and feels more spacious and the seating is much more bum hugging and comfortable. Great attention has been paid to almost every detail, the body panel shut lines are exemplary, the doors close with a solid clunk, the lights are nicely styled, the DRL's are stylish, the windscreen nicely raked and blends into the roofline, the wipers nestle perfectly just out of the drivers sight, the rear spoiler looks the part, the interior is superbly finished with high quality trim and upholstery - I could go on and on......

One of the Silverstone "Supercar Experience" drivers who presumably had been borrowed by Hyundai to help out with the track work for a few days, told me that during the dealer demo days they had use of the latest equivalent Golf and Focus cars so that they could be used as a comparison benchmark. He personally felt that the i30 had the edge over the others because it was so well equipped, much lower in cost, more roomy and only marginally down on driving qualities - it truly now stands amongst the generally perceived best in class
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Shambles on February 25, 2012, 14:36:33
Exceptional feedback sir. I am most impressed with your ability to remember all the bits and bobs and articulate them on our humble forum :)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 14:36:47
That being so, is it correct to assume the stationery vehicle belonged to W.H. Smith?  ;)


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Well spotted : Sh....ucks - the friggin spill chucker let me down again. Thanks for pointing it out - I have corrected the original to avoid further embarrassment  :whistler:.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: baroudeur on February 25, 2012, 14:53:08
That being so, is it correct to assume the stationery vehicle belonged to W.H. Smith?  ;)


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Well spotted : Sh....ucks - the friggin spill chucker let me down again. Thanks for pointing it out - I have corrected the original to avoid further embarrassment  :whistler:.

Thanks for taking it as intended.

Unfortunately, spell checkers wouldn't pick that up as both spellings are correct.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 14:53:50
Exceptional feedback sir. I am most impressed with your ability to remember all the bits and bobs and articulate them on our humble forum :)
Thanks.

I cheated because my memory is useless - I used my mobile phone as a dictation machine and camera. I had also typed up a list of items to check and questions to ask - and was able to scribble info against each item.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: bumpkin on February 25, 2012, 14:59:17
Superb write up Alan, so I take it you now feel that the extra cost of the new i30 is truly a reflection of the car itself and is therefore worth it?

I agree the ix20 is not as well appointed as the i30 (even the "old one") but in real terms the "lacking" bits are kind of superfluous anyway, nice to have but not necessary.  The 1.4 petrol is actually quite a remarkable unit, you expect to be really down on power but it's pretty good really and your comments about the i30 suggest that this is also the case in the slightly bigger car which is good to hear.

I look forward to seeing and hearing about your new purchase :goodjob:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 15:10:10
I took some some pics for later reference of the instruments and engine layout - a couple being photos of pages in the car manual.

The cabin fuses and what I assume is the diagnostic socket are now behind a removeable panel by the drivers knee - it looks as though a special tool is required to remove the fuses which I presume comes with the car.


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Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 16:23:09
Superb write up Alan, so I take it you now feel that the extra cost of the new i30 is truly a reflection of the car itself and is therefore worth it?

I agree the ix20 is not as well appointed as the i30 (even the "old one") but in real terms the "lacking" bits are kind of superfluous anyway, nice to have but not necessary.  The 1.4 petrol is actually quite a remarkable unit, you expect to be really down on power but it's pretty good really and your comments about the i30 suggest that this is also the case in the slightly bigger car which is good to hear.

I look forward to seeing and hearing about your new purchase :goodjob:

Brian - I entirely accept that the ix20 is a fine car and would most likely serve my purpose. Unfortunately - the new i30 has come along and I am smitten. My head tells me that the sensible choice for a pair of pensioners should be the ix20 - not least because being higher, it is easier for people with creaky old bones to get in and out of. However, this is likely to be my final car and my heart wants to have a last fling in a car stuffed with bells and whistles that I now consider to be the true equivalent of an equally specced Audi - but at a much lower cost. I will be 80 when the warranty expires and I can only hope that my personal warranty lasts that long. I doubt that I will want to do much driving beyond then.

I understand that an ix30 is in the pipeline but it will surely be more expensive than the hatch and too long away for me to wait.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: diablo on February 25, 2012, 16:47:23
Excellent review. :) Doubt if I'll be replacing my 2yo with the new one unless they bring out some very special offers though !

My 85 year old mum can still get in and out of my car okay, so unless your joints are really rusting up then maybe you'll be okay for the next five years.

The silica nanoparticle tyres sound good, though I've hardly worn the top layer of my originals yet.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Asterix on February 25, 2012, 21:11:44
Really great post, Alan. Thanks for letting all the rest of us share your observations.

Well done... :goodjob:

As I've only had my i30 for 11 months, I doubt I will replace it with a new one this year, but I'm really pleased to see they've kept the old fashioned type handbrake.

(But I think I will be at the dealer for the introduction next month)
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Shambles on February 25, 2012, 21:33:07
Is that a record for the number of "thanks" given to a post?

I think so, and justly deserved :D
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Asterix on February 25, 2012, 21:38:38
It's certainly the post that have taken me the longest time to read, but worth every minute.  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Dazzler on February 25, 2012, 21:43:40
As someone else said I would be impressed to read a detailed review like that in a magazine I had paid for  :goodjob2: :goodjob:

But don't get your hopes up Alan .. there isn't a cheque in the mail (from me anyway) - Hyundai maybe  :winker:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: ElleB on February 25, 2012, 22:30:29
   :whsaid:  :brilliant: :baps: :thanx: :Agoodjob: :agreed: :judges:

I hope all these convey the sentiments of others not so far expressed....maybe my holding off the latest 6 speed will be a good thing.....   Just need to find the ca$h.. :'(

Keep taking the Condrointin and Omega 3 etc and you will out run the warranty !!!

 Thanks a million, you have raised the bar!!!
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 25, 2012, 22:41:01
Thank you all for your kind words.

I have sent an Email to my contact at Hyundai UK Head Office to thank them for the splendid day they laid on.

I took the opportunity of explaining that I am a member of this forum and the role the forum plays in spreading the i30 and Hyundai word globally. I attached a link to this thread and asked them to advise me of any innaccuracies in my report  so that I may correct my post here.

Hopefully there will not be any - but we will see.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: asathorny on February 25, 2012, 22:52:52
Thank you all for your kind words.

I have sent an Email to my contact at Hyundai UK Head Office to thank them for the splendid day they laid on.

I took the opportunity of explaining that I am a member of this forum and the role the forum plays in spreading the i30 and Hyundai word globally. I attached a link to this thread and asked them to advise me of any innaccuracies in my report  so that I may correct my post here.

Hopefully there will not be any - but we will see.

Good move Alan, I can see and brand new car coming out of this  HAhah ah ha hahahahahaaaa,
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Shambles on February 25, 2012, 23:22:55
Hope nobody minds, especially AlanHo, but I put this topic into the articles list and changed the title slightly. Plus I added a couple of journalistic paragraph 'breakers' :)

Alan, feel free to reedit as you wish  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: AlanHo on February 26, 2012, 05:38:34
Alan is that avatar a glimpse into the future by any chance & is it diesel or petrol  :question:

My avatar is indeed a glimpse into the near future - however the car displayed has the base model front grill and is blue. Neither of which I like.

It is interesting that most of the early photos of the new car - and most magazines - show a blue car which I thought looked most attractive. However - when I saw the car in the flesh I took an instant dislike to the blue colour (as opposed to my wife who liked it). I should point out that I believe there are two shades of blue available - Aqua Blue and Ice Blue. I am not certain which of these colours we were looking at, but suspect it was the darker one of the two - aqua.

I much preferred the sleek silver or steel grey.....decisions,, decisions.

I am nervous about the choice of colour because a few years back I bought a newly launched Audi A3 Sportback and chose - in the showroom - a dark metallic grey (dolphin Grey) which looked very classy. I had seen other Audi models in the same colour and assumed it would suit the new car. Two months later I went to collect the car and there it was all sparkling, shiny and new parked outside the showroom. My heart sank - I hated the colour - and continued to do so for the 3 years I owned it.  Although regular detailing using Meguiar's clays and polishes produced a phenominal gloss - no amount of polishing ever brought me around to liking the colour.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on February 26, 2012, 07:27:13
I can relate to your colour story Alan.. I bought a very dark blue Nissan in 1993 that looked great in the showroom but turned out to be a pain to keep clean and I was constantly reminded by friends and acquantances that it was probably not a very safe colour on the road as well.. :confused:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Talking Hoarse on February 26, 2012, 09:39:29
Fabulous reports - thanks Alanho.  You certainly have rather missed a vocation.
I saw 2 new i30's unloaded from a tramsporter when I was at the dealer in Durham last week - sadly I wasnt quick enough to go and sniff round them before they were removed to the compound.
I am relieved that we will not get the electronic park brake (I would be very reluctant to buy a car fitted with that).
Note that the new i30's in UK are specced with 15 or at most 16" wheels - no 17" wheels as on the old top of range model, maybe after the ride criticisms.
Any feedback on the new 6 speed auto gearbox?  Is it more "active" than the old 4 speed torque converter?  Sadly I do note that the new auto still suffers a large fuel consumption & CO2 penalty (unlike Ford or VAG equivalents?), and therefore presumably also a performance penalty when compared to the manual.  I also think I noted that only a lesser tuned 110ho version of the 1.6CRDi is listed for the auto - and sadly no 128hp version and no sniff of the 1.7CRDi that finds its way into the ix35?
Looking forward to trying out a new i30, but wont be upgrading for a year or so.
On a parallel note Alan - if you are considering upgrading - are you happy /pleased with the residual value of your existing car? 
Ed
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 26, 2012, 09:54:34
Fabulous reports - thanks Alanho.  You certainly have rather missed a vocation.
I saw 2 new i30's unloaded from a tramsporter when I was at the dealer in Durham last week - sadly I wasnt quick enough to go and sniff round them before they were removed to the compound.
I am relieved that we will not get the electronic park brake (I would be very reluctant to buy a car fitted with that).
Note that the new i30's in UK are specced with 15 or at most 16" wheels - no 17" wheels as on the old top of range model, maybe after the ride criticisms.
Any feedback on the new 6 speed auto gearbox?  Is it more "active" than the old 4 speed torque converter?  Sadly I do note that the new auto still suffers a large fuel consumption & CO2 penalty (unlike Ford or VAG equivalents?), and therefore presumably also a performance penalty when compared to the manual.  I also think I noted that only a lesser tuned 110ho version of the 1.6CRDi is listed for the auto - and sadly no 128hp version and no sniff of the 1.7CRDi that finds its way into the ix35?
Looking forward to trying out a new i30, but wont be upgrading for a year or so.
On a parallel note Alan - if you are considering upgrading - are you happy /pleased with the residual value of your existing car? 
Ed

I am not able to comment on the auto box - they had them there for test driving but I am not interested - too thirsty.  I imagine It won't be long before they drop the new Hyundai dual clutch box (available on the Veloster) into the car which will give them a paddle manual/auto with better than manual economy.  I note however, looking at the Veloster price list, that the dual clutch box is £1250 more than the manual. Whereas on the i30 - the conventional auto box costs £800 more than the manual.

I have yet to look at the residual value for my car - I keep putting it off because I am fully aware it will be very low.  :scared: With the dealers still selling off the old model at up to £4500 off list - what can you expect?  I am therefore resigned to a large outlay - and it won't get any better if I defer the change for a few months or even a year - the more miles I pile on and the more I eat into the warranty period - the less I will get for the present car... :sweating:

I will see what deals I can get for both a part exchange and alternatively a straight cash deal with me selling my car privately. Then I will bite the bullet. But first I have to decide whether I go Petrol or Diesel....sigh... :Juggler:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: eye30 on February 26, 2012, 10:32:09
I am relieved that we will not get the electronic park brake (I would be very reluctant to buy a car fitted with that).

Brother has just bought a 8 month old VW Passat and this has it.

Seems strange to press a button and the brakes come on. Another electronic thing to go wrong.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Doggie 1 on February 26, 2012, 11:17:45
Alan is that avatar a glimpse into the future by any chance & is it diesel or petrol  :question:

My avatar is indeed a glimpse into the near future - however the car displayed has the base model front grill and is blue. Neither of which I like.

It is interesting that most of the early photos of the new car - and most magazines - show a blue car which I thought looked most attractive. However - when I saw the car in the flesh I took an instant dislike to the blue colour (as opposed to my wife who liked it). I should point out that I believe there are two shades of blue available - Aqua Blue and Ice Blue. I am not certain which of these colours we were looking at, but suspect it was the darker one of the two - aqua.

I much preferred the sleek silver or steel grey.....decisions,, decisions.

I am nervous about the choice of colour because a few years back I bought a newly launched Audi A3 Sportback and chose - in the showroom - a dark metallic grey which looked very classy. I had seen other Audi models in the same colour and assumed it would suit the new car. Two months later I went to collect the car and there it was all sparkling, shiny and new parked outside the showroom. My heart sank - I hated the colour - and continued to do so for the 3 years I owned it.  Although regular detailing using Meguiar's clays and polishes produced a phenominal gloss - no amount of polishing ever brought me around to liking the colour.

When I bought my (white) i30 in '09, I did briefly consider getting a Shine Red one because I like nice reds ( in cars and in wines).
However, I decided to be ultra conservative and buy white.
Having looked at photos of the new i30 though, I really do like the red (hence my avatar).
But if & when the time comes I may chicken out again and go for white.
Red in Australia can fade if you don't keep the polish/protection up to it, but I just really like the look of them in my middle-age years.  :)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 26, 2012, 11:24:02
My wife's car is red and I'm a bit nervous about it's longevity too.

So you don't like blue & your wife does. That could be a problem. You may need to revisit some of your "jokes" to get some guidance. Good luck.  :lol:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on February 26, 2012, 11:29:21
My wife's car is red and I'm a bit nervous about it's longevity too.



If you use protection she'll be fine.
And red looks great (IMHO).  :)
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Talking Hoarse on February 26, 2012, 14:03:08
When I bought my (white) i30 in '09, I did briefly consider getting a Shine Red one because I like nice reds ( in cars and in wines).
However, I decided to be ultra conservative and buy white.
Having looked at photos of the new i30 though, I really do like the red (hence my avatar).
But if & when the time comes I may chicken out again and go for white.
Red in Australia can fade if you don't keep the polish/protection up to it, but I just really like the look of them in my middle-age years.  :)
Red can even be a problem in UK - but worth it (I think) if prepared to wax it a couple of times each year.  In UK we have to pay about £500 more for metallic paint - so red & white are therefore cheaper too.  However I think HUK restrict the market of their cars in "solid" colours in UK - when I bought my car I could get Shine Red (my favourite), not white, but now I think the only solid colour is white.  Perversely, HUK's sister company Kia are the reverse - they didnt sell red in UK 2 years ago, now do.
Maybe there is only so much red paint to go round.......
Red is by far my favourite colour for many cars - and Shine Red is pretty good - but even this looks brown /dull compared to my sons "Power Red" Vauxhall Astra (maybe a Holden or Opel in other markets).
Ed
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 26, 2012, 16:41:43
This is my first attempt at making a comparison between the 5 year ownership costs of the new 2012 i30 Style 1.4 petrol versus 1.6 diesel

I have ignored items that would be the same for both cars - such as replacement tyres.

The Hyundai technical staff told me that the new diesel car is 12% more frugal than my model - so I have inflated my car's economy by 12% to achieve the estimate of 55 mpg (5.1 L/100Km).

I have used the average economy figures for the 1.4 petrol off the Honest John and Fuelly sites. 38 mpg (7.4 L/100Km) falls a little short of Bumpkin's ix20 performance so is possibly about right.

Fuel prices over 5 years are anyones guess - I have taken my local prices today and assumed an increase of 5% per year on average. My guess is that in the UK the difference between diesel and petrol will widen which will work against the diesel car.

I have obtained insurance quotes on a comparison site (meerkats) for the petrol and diesel cars and inflated these at an average of 5% per year.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/PetrolvDieselCarCosts.jpg)



Comments would be welcomed - the comparison has produced a virtual tie.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: eye30 on February 26, 2012, 17:09:11
I can follow the logic behind the figures and they look like the way I would use to compare.

An area which would be the only variable and can make you decide on either the petrol or diesel would be the final purchase price of either car. i.e will they be willing to discounted or offer a higher P/X on one model but not the other.

Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Shambles on February 26, 2012, 17:11:03
This is my first attempt at making a comparison between the 5 year ownership costs of the new 2012 i30 Style 1.4 petrol versus 1.6 diesel...

Did you really mean to post your comparison in this thread :eek: ??

The whole thread does seem to have wandered wildy off topic I have to say, which is a shame for such a masterclass in editorial brilliance :(
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Lakes on February 26, 2012, 17:52:17
Exerlent Allan.
Alan the compartion in cost between the 1.4 & the 1.6 CRDi is good, just i would not be happy with a normally asperated small petrol motor as they don't have enough Torque at lower revs to thrust you up hill's to overtake trucks or slower cars quickly.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 26, 2012, 17:54:10
This is my first attempt at making a comparison between the 5 year ownership costs of the new 2012 i30 Style 1.4 petrol versus 1.6 diesel...

Did you really mean to post your comparison in this thread :eek: ??

The whole thread does seem to have wandered wildy off topic I have to say, which is a shame for such a masterclass in editorial brilliance :(

That's fair comment Steve - can you split it off please.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Surferdude on February 26, 2012, 20:34:34
^^^
Personally I think it's all relevant and useful in this thread.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Surferdude on February 26, 2012, 20:35:55
This is my first attempt at making a comparison between the 5 year ownership costs of the new 2012 i30 Style 1.4 petrol versus 1.6 diesel

I have ignored items that would be the same for both cars - such as replacement tyres.

The Hyundai technical staff told me that the new diesel car is 12% more frugal than my model - so I have inflated my car's economy by 12% to achieve the estimate of 55 mpg (5.1 L/100Km).

I have used the average economy figures for the 1.4 petrol off the Honest John and Fuelly sites. 38 mpg (7.4 L/100Km) falls a little short of Bumpkin's ix20 performance so is possibly about right.

Fuel prices over 5 years are anyones guess - I have taken my local prices today and assumed an increase of 5% per year on average. My guess is that in the UK the difference between diesel and petrol will widen which will work against the diesel car.

I have obtained insurance quotes on a comparison site (meerkats) for the petrol and diesel cars and inflated these at an average of 5% per year.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/PetrolvDieselCarCosts.jpg)



Comments would be welcomed - the comparison has produced a virtual tie.
What those figures are telling me is to take both for a long test drive.
Then you can feel confident that whichever one drives best is the one for you.
Title: Re: Alanho's Hyundai i30 (MY12) Driving Experience - 24th February
Post by: Doggie 1 on February 27, 2012, 09:18:16
When I bought my (white) i30 in '09, I did briefly consider getting a Shine Red one because I like nice reds ( in cars and in wines).
However, I decided to be ultra conservative and buy white.
Having looked at photos of the new i30 though, I really do like the red (hence my avatar).
But if & when the time comes I may chicken out again and go for white.
Red in Australia can fade if you don't keep the polish/protection up to it, but I just really like the look of them in my middle-age years.  :)
Red can even be a problem in UK - but worth it (I think) if prepared to wax it a couple of times each year.  In UK we have to pay about £500 more for metallic paint - so red & white are therefore cheaper too.  However I think HUK restrict the market of their cars in "solid" colours in UK - when I bought my car I could get Shine Red (my favourite), not white, but now I think the only solid colour is white.  Perversely, HUK's sister company Kia are the reverse - they didnt sell red in UK 2 years ago, now do.
Maybe there is only so much red paint to go round.......
Red is by far my favourite colour for many cars - and Shine Red is pretty good - but even this looks brown /dull compared to my sons "Power Red" Vauxhall Astra (maybe a Holden or Opel in other markets).
Ed

Apolgies for off-topic.
Same here in Oz. White & Shine Red were the only solid colours which is why I only considered those.
I changed my avatar to the new red i30 because of its looks but it's a personal/subjective thing. No doubt some people hate red, and I guess also, it depends on the car.
Ferrari reds are red.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 27, 2012, 21:53:43
I asked some questions of Hyundai at Silverstone which they were not able to answer on the spot. They answered them today via Email. here is a copy and paste :-

Does the New Generation i30 have a dual mass flywheel?
We expect this to be the same as the current model. The petrol version will not be fitted with a dual mass flywheel but the Diesel model will be.

What is the procedure for regenerating the DPF?
If whilst driving the engine management lamp was to start flashing, this would indicate the DPF requires a regeneration phase. The vehicle should be driven on the open road with a constant engine speed of around 2500 rpm, for up to 30 minutes. This will allow the DPF temperature to rise far enough for the DPF regeneration to be completed. If for any reason this procedure was to fail then, the vehicle should be referred to a Hyundai dealer for a forced regeneration using the GDS.

Camshaft Chain drive or belt?  
All engines on the New Generation i30, whether petrol or diesel, will be chain driven.

Is it possible to import waypoints or POIs to the sat-nav using USB or any other source?
Navteq have confirmed that this is not possible

My reaction to this information is :-

We can only hope that Hyundai have made a better job of engineering the dual mass flywheel than Ford, Volkswagen and some others who have experienced reliability problems. A search of the web will reveal many tales of diesel engine dual mass flywheel failures outside the warranty period that have cost owners wads of money. A dual mass flywheel would make me nervous if I should keep the car beyond the warranty period.

A quick flick through the index and maintenance section of the car owners manual left in one of the cars at Silverstone revealed no mention of the DPF. My car has done 13,000 miles and I have never seen any sign of the DPF being regenerated despite lots of town driving from time to time. My experience possibly indicates that i30 regeneration is a rare event - but it is a regular mention in the KIA Ceed forum. Puzzled!!

I did know that the diesel had a chain driven camshaft but was not certain it applied to the petrol engine too. Good news in my opinion - I hate belts having had one fail many moons ago.

I am disappointed that it is not possible to enter waypoints, POI's and routes into the sat-nav via USB or an aux port. I like to plan long trips and create waypoints remotely on a computer and download them to the sat-nav. This is a deal breaker for me - I will not be spending an extra £1000 on such a limited sat-nav system - especially one that will not accept full post codes, and will stick with my trusty Garmin Nuvi which does all I want.  Fortunately on the new car - the top of the dash board is flat where I would want to position the nuvi so I will not have to make a special adaptor to fit the self-adhesive mount base.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: asathorny on February 27, 2012, 22:01:20
So as well as integrated Sat Nav you'd need  to invest in a 'Road Angel' or some other similar product ????   !!!!
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: diablo on February 27, 2012, 22:36:27
Dual mass flywheels? Regenerating DPF?

I'm glad I have an oh-so-simple petrol with none of this malarkey.  :honk:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 27, 2012, 23:32:28
So as well as integrated Sat Nav you'd need  to invest in a 'Road Angel' or some other similar product ????   !!!!

Good point asa - from a proud owner of 3 points on my licence (SP50 - 92 mph on a motorway)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 28, 2012, 03:32:38

Good point asa - from a proud owner of 3 points on my licence (SP50 - 92 mph on a motorway)

Wow, did you think you were still at Silverstone.....  :whistler: That's way past the economy range  :exclaim:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Talking Hoarse on February 28, 2012, 08:05:50
Dual mass flywheels? Regenerating DPF?
I'm glad I have an oh-so-simple petrol with none of this malarkey.
That is a good point - and something that may well affect the residual values of diesel cars when they are 4 or 5 years old, ie with new owners fearing expensive repairs.  Depreciation is probably the biggest (or 2nd biggest?) cost of running any new or newish car, so residulal value is key to this.
Love the comparison figures Alanho - thanks.
And full marks to HUK for resisting the electronic park brake on the new i30 - that I think may be specc'd for other markets.  I would resist buying any car without a trad handbrake.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 28, 2012, 23:04:54
Wow, did you think you were still at Silverstone.....  :whistler: That's way past the economy range  :exclaim:

I was driving my previous Audi A4 Avant 2.0 petrol 3.5 years ago - the points actually expired last September so my licence is clean from the DVLA point of view but insurers take account of the last 5 years..
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: asathorny on February 28, 2012, 23:08:51
So as well as integrated Sat Nav you'd need  to invest in a 'Road Angel' or some other similar product ????   !!!!

Good point asa - from a proud owner of 3 points on my licence (SP50 - 92 mph on a motorway)

Yeah, got rid of mine bout 18mths ago... thank heavans...........................   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 28, 2012, 23:46:38
I have arranged a test drive of the new VW Golf Match 1.4 petrol and the 1.6 diesel next Tuesday afternoon - I am promised an hour in each car over a good sample of roads including the M42 motorway nearby which has a horrible section of concrete surface, a stretch of the old rough tarmac and a long stretch of the new quiet tarmac. The decibel meter will be used again.

I have also requested a test drive in a Focus Platinum 1.6 diesel and the 3 cylinder 1.0 turbo petrol car - but the dealers have sold their demo cars and are awaiting the new March 1st registration before they replace them.

I am doing this as a check on how the i30 compares. The Golf and Focus were at Silverstone for the dealers to compare - and those I have spoken to were surprised at how superior the i30 was. Out of curiosity I would like to check it for myself more thoroughly than some test drives I had of them a few months back. I will report my findings here of course.

The following on-the-road price comparison for cars specced as equally as possible is revealing. All cars priced with metallic paint - the VW and Ford prices include the various packs necessary to equal the standard Hyundai i30 features - such as parking sensors, elec folding mirrors, climate control etc.

Petrol Models
Hyundai i30 1.4 petrol Style 100 PS engine.......................£17,040   Base price for comparison
Ford Focus 1.0 Platinum 3 cylinder turbo 125 PS engine... ..£20,070  + £3,030
VW Golf 1.4 Match Twin Turbo petrol 122 PS engine..... .. ..£20,175  + £3,135

Diesel Models
Hyundai i30 1.6 CRDi Style 110 PS engine........................£19,440   Base price for comparison
Hyundai i30 1.6 CRDi Style 128 PS engine........................£19,740   + £300
Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi Platinum  115 PS engine....................£20,920  + £1,480
VW Golf 1.6 TDi Match 105 PS engine.......................... . ..£20,995  + £1,555

Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: asathorny on February 29, 2012, 00:22:44
your report will make interesting reading Alan, especially since the cost of these vehicles is getting closer.   
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 29, 2012, 05:55:48
It seems they fail in the pricing area already, they'd want to be exceptionally better than the I30 to fork out that extra money. I'm sure your report will be comprehensive, objective & very interesting reading.  :)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 29, 2012, 07:17:15
This is why I fancy a road test of the Focus with the new 3 cylinder engine

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Ford-Focus-1.0-125-Ecoboost-Zetec/261245/ (http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Ford-Focus-1.0-125-Ecoboost-Zetec/261245/)

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-10-Ecoboost-review/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-10-Ecoboost-review/)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Talking Hoarse on February 29, 2012, 07:24:56
Petrol Models
Hyundai i30 1.4 petrol Style 100 PS engine.......................£17,040   Base price for comparison
Ford Focus 1.0 Platinum 3 cylinder turbo 125 PS engine... ..£20,070  + £3,030
VW Golf 1.4 Match Twin Turbo petrol 122 PS engine..... .. ..£20,175  + £3,135

Diesel Models
Hyundai i30 1.6 CRDi Style 110 PS engine........................£19,440   Base price for comparison
Hyundai i30 1.6 CRDi Style 128 PS engine........................£19,740   + £300
Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi Platinum  115 PS engine....................£20,920  + £1,480
VW Golf 1.6 TDi Match 105 PS engine.......................... . ..£20,995  + £1,555
Alanho - for all of these detailed articles you produce, you are fast becoming our hero - and I for one would vote you replace Jeremy Clarkson ......
There may be other significant factors to include when comparing ..... eg the cost of extending warranties?  I think that may be  important to some of us.  Unless you include an Astra with 10 year warranty - I am a bit of a fan of the Astra -  especially with ergo seats.
Ed
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on February 29, 2012, 08:14:45
You are right to point out the difference in warranties between Hyundai and other brands – but it is not true for all markets – neither are the price differences of course.

I believe that Hyundai offer a 10 year warranty in the USA but only a 3 year warranty in the Republic of Ireland and other European countries. There are not many countries that enjoy the 5 year warranty that we get in the UK and Australia.

It seems strange to me that Hyundai have a policy to vary so significantly the model features, model names and warranties for each market. I have been fortunate enough to travel widely in my career and have visited every continent. I fail to see enough difference in general driving conditions in the developed countries to warrant the changes in the model line-up and the features included. They obviously have their reasons – but I would have thought that it would be more cost effective to standardise on the models,  features and warranties worldwide – except perhaps for some special emerging markets.

For example, the differences in the warranty between Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and Southern Ireland seem strange. I read in the press some time ago that people in Southern Ireland are popping across the border to buy cars because of the warranty and significant price differences they can benefit from. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the models ranges differ too.

Why is it, that you guys in Australia are given cars so different in spec than we do in the UK. I realise that we don’t have the outback driving conditions – but how many Aussies ever venture from the cities and paved roads anyway?  I never found driving in Australia much different from driving elsewhere – including the USA, UK, Far East, Japan and many countries in Europe. OK – some of them drive on the wrong side of the road and some have busier roads – but that doesn’t account for why the cars and warranties are so different.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on February 29, 2012, 08:24:10
This is why I fancy a road test of the Focus with the new 3 cylinder engine

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Ford-Focus-1.0-125-Ecoboost-Zetec/261245/ (http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Ford-Focus-1.0-125-Ecoboost-Zetec/261245/)

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-10-Ecoboost-review/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Ford-Focus-10-Ecoboost-review/)

I wonder if we will get that (1000cc and smaller motors are not usually well received here)  :confused:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on March 06, 2012, 18:57:06
Today I test drove two VW Golf cars to compare them with similar i30 models.

The Golf Match 1.4 TSi 6 speed manual. Turbo petrol developing 122 PS (Hyundai equivalent 1.4 non turbo petrol 6 speed 100 PS)

The Golf Match 1.6 TDi 5 speed manual. Turbo diesel developing 105 PS (Hyundai equivalent 1.6 CRDi 6 speed 110 PS)

Both these cars are the equivalent of the new i30 Style model except that the i30 1.4 petrol lacks a turbo and the i30 diesel has a 6 speed box.

I drove each car in turn around a 22 mile circuit comprising roughly 35% town roads – the other 65% was on fast dual carriageways and the M42 motorway which has a long section of noisy tarmac surface. It was a busy afternoon and there were 5 sets of traffic lights and other stop starts on the route.  Before I set off I zeroed the fuel economy trip recorder. The VW salesman who accompanied me was shown how to use my decibel meter and he took readings along the route for me. (He was fascinated by me bringing along the instrument and was as keen as I to see the noise levels experienced).

I have to say that both models were well finished and had all the bells and whistles – hence there is no need for me to explain them in detail – read the i30 brochure for the new style model and they are listed there.  The difference between the VW and Hyundai would be marginal and come down to nit picking detail and personal tastes. I would be happy with either car on this evidence.

I drove the petrol car first and was immediately struck by its refinement. Engine and road noise was very suppressed – even on the rough tarmac and noisy motorway concrete. The decibel meter rarely went above 74 dB. The gear change was silky smooth, the clutch took some getting used to because it had a much longer stroke than my current i30, all the controls fell nicely into place and the instruments were well placed and very legible.  The steering was nicely weighted but a little heavier than my present car. The only point of real criticism was the steering wheel, which has height and reach adjustment, but was too high for my liking even though I had the seat at maximum height and steering wheel fully down.  The most surprising thing about the car was how lively it felt – it had lots of low down grunt and felt the equal of my current car.
The catalogue says it accelerates from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in 9.5 seconds. The new i30 1.4 petrol takes 13.6 seconds and the new 1.6 CRDi 110 PS takes 12.3 seconds.

At the conclusion of the test drive the trip recorder showed a fuel economy for the 22 miles of 41.2 mpg (6.85 L/100km) which I consider to be very good – especially considering that I had not been driving especially frugally.

I then drove the 1.6 diesel which was similarly equipped. Yet again the gear change was silky smooth and all the controls nice to use – however the steering felt quite heavy compared with the petrol car – caused I would guess, by the heavier engine. Refinement was very good, the engine noise was very muted – even when revved hard and road noise was about the same as the petrol car. At one point on the route I had to stop at a pedestrian crossing behind a couple of cars. Just before moving away I tried to move the steering wheel and it was solid – it was only then that I realised the engine had stopped and the car had ISG.  The decibel meter at one stage hit 76 dB – so was fractionally more noisy than the petrol car. In reality, my ears could not tell any difference.  Performance was nowhere near as lively as either the petrol model or my current car. It almost felt sluggish in comparison and was slow to take off when pushed. The brochure claims it accelerates from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/hr) in 11.3 seconds. This compares with 11.5 seconds for my present i30 and 10.9 seconds for the new 128 PS i30.     

At the conclusion of the test drive the trip recorder showed a fuel economy for the 22 miles of 49.7 mpg (5.80 L/100km) which is roughly what I am getting from my present i30.

Before returning home I drove my current i30 car over the same route, I zeroed the trip recorder before setting off to compare fuel economy like-for-like. I used my trusty decibel meter of course. The result was that the trip recorder registered a fuel economy of 47.3 mpg (5.97 L/100km) and the highest reading on the decibel meter was 82 dB – both being worse than the VW golf.

So my conclusion is that I can now understand why the motoring magazines always put the Golf at the top of the podium. It really is a very quiet and refined car – backed up with the formidable VW marketing and sale machine. Any comparison I could make with the new i30’s I tried at Silverstone would be highly subjective. There is little to choose between the cars – other than the better Hyundai warranty and the lower Hyundai prices.  I keenly await taking a road test of the new i30 on the same route in order to make a proper comparison – my gut feeling is that the diesel economy of the new Hyundai will equal the similar Golf, the petrol economy for the 1.4 car will be worse and the cabin noise will be higher.

This is a worry for me because of my hearing loss and the need for the quietest car possible.

More anon………..

Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: asathorny on March 06, 2012, 19:32:13
Very interesting Alan....  Is this the swan song :-( ?????
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on March 06, 2012, 19:42:43
Very interesting Alan....  Is this the swan song :-( ?????

I don't know yet - the Hyundai i30  has in its favour
Much lower cost
A better warranty
More pleasing styling
A local dealership you can park at when you vist (the VW one is a nightmare)
A local dealership of which a personal friend is a joint owner
The support of a great i30 Forum

These are powerful arguments to buy the new i30 (if I am able to hear them in the cabin).
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: diablo on March 06, 2012, 21:24:02
It seems odd to me that they've used the new generation Gamma engine with direct injection, which is capable of more power and should get better fuel efficiency yet they've detuned them to have less power than the older engines, especially the 1.4.  Odd, what are they thinking ?

The same 1.6 in the Veloster is tuned to full power and gives around 10 seconds for the 0-62 (though that car is a little lighter).

I wonder what the turbo versions will be like ?
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on March 06, 2012, 21:30:33
As usual Alan very interesting (I await the next chapter)  :goodjob:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: ElleB on March 07, 2012, 10:53:28
Thanks Alan.... :whsaid:

 Aside form all the factors that you have mentioned and comapred, what about costs of spare parts and the like?
  If my memory serves me correctly, with some VW vehicles, when you change the brake pads, they also suggest that you change ( not machine) the discs and they sell them as a "unit".
  Now this may not apply to all VW's.. but my gut feeling from others that I have spoken to is that parts and the like are expensive, especially if they come the brake caper ..... :faint:

  Just a thought!!!! :question:
   
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on March 07, 2012, 10:59:19
Thanks Alan.... :whsaid:

 Aside form all the factors that you have mentioned and comapred, what about costs of spare parts and the like?
  If my memory serves me correctly, with some VW vehicles, when you change the brake pads, they also suggest that you change ( not machine) the discs and they sell them as a "unit".
 

That's a fair point that I have yet to go into. I know that with my previous Audi cars the brake pads were renewed without fitting new discs. Having said that, I had a brake judder problem on an Audi A6 and the Audi Dealership replaced the pads and skimmed the discs rather than replace them.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: tla on March 09, 2012, 08:02:01
Really appreciate the review of the VW.  :goodjob2:

Have you considered adding the Mazda 3 to your list of test drives?

Even though it's butt-ugly (IMHO), it's one of the top-selling cars in Oz.  It would be good to have a comparison with the other cars in your list.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 09, 2012, 08:17:51
We'll have to start paying him soon  :D
Thanks Alan, great review again.
Surely, as a forum, we should carry a bit of clout by now, given the size of the membership and it being worldwide.
What can we do to impress on Hyundai that an URGENT fix needs to be applied to cabin noise?
It cannot be that hard for them to rectify this fault and it would make such a huge difference to the overall refinemant of the car.
I can't imagine that the costs of making good this fault could possibly amount to much when amortized across the global market and I don't understand why they haven't acted already when it keeps being raised on a forum such as this which they will obviously monitor.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on March 09, 2012, 08:21:51
Hi Dave,

I get the impression from Alan they have improved cabin noise considerably in the new model  :undecided:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 09, 2012, 08:23:59
I hope so and it will be interesting to run the new model alongside the VWs to compare.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 09, 2012, 08:26:41
We'll have to start paying him soon  :D
Thanks Alan, great review again.
Surely, as a forum, we should carry a bit of clout by now, given the size of the membership and it being worldwide.
What can we do to impress on Hyundai that an URGENT fix needs to be applied to cabin noise?
It cannot be that hard for them to rectify this fault and it would make such a huge difference to the overall refinemant of the car.
I can't imagine that the costs of making good this fault could possibly amount to much when amortized across the global market and I don't understand why they haven't acted already when it keeps being raised on a forum such as this which they will obviously monitor.

I agree 100%, My vehicle is a thirsty 6cyl Holden, which I still enjoy driving. It's an oldie now but after190K kms, it is still quieter than the wifes I30. I enjoy the I30 at every opportunity I get to drive it and if the cabin noise could be SIGNIFICANTLY refined, it would place the car in another league IMHO. :neutral:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on March 09, 2012, 08:37:28
The road noise was probably about half the reason we traded the CRDi on the Hybrid .. although it was no worse (probably better) than the equivilent Lancer and Mazda 3
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 09, 2012, 08:41:50
But if Hyundai want to be a global leader and continue to be, then they have to address this IMHO.
They produce great cars with an ever-growing loyal following, so I hope they do listen to their customer base.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 09, 2012, 08:47:14
That's what I mean about putting it in another league. At high speed, it's possible to carry on a quiet conversation in the Holden, hardly any wind noise and just a hint of road noise. This is simply a matter of using sound deadening materials.

If the I30 was presented to us without any floor coverings at all, people would say, great car but what about the floor, well that's how I feel about sound insulation materials. Just because they can't be seen, doesn't make them unimportant.  :neutral:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 09, 2012, 08:51:47
That's what I mean about putting it in another league. At high speed, it's possible to carry on a quiet conversation in the Holden, hardly any wind noise and just a hint of road noise. This is simply a matter of using sound deadening materials.

If the I30 was presented to us without any floor coverings at all, people would say, great car but what about the floor, well that's how I feel about sound insulation materials. Just because they can't be seen, doesn't make them unimportant.  :neutral:

I agree whole heartedly. The carpet quality is also poor and could be fixed at the same time.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: AlanHo on March 09, 2012, 10:14:49
I understand that cabin noise is not simply a function of how much sound insulation as applied to the car body - but the natural resonace of the body shell design, wind noise,  the engine design and mounts, air intake suppression, exhaust design and mounting, suspension mounting etc - all come into the equation.

I guess that a noisy car can never be turned into a truly refined and quiet one by gluing sound insulation everywhere - it can only be made into a less raucous one.

Hyundai claim that the new i30 was designed from the start to be a more refined vehicle and all the above factors given due attention. I will soon have the use of the new model for a few hours and will be able to drive it on familiar roads - including the route I used to road test the Golf. The decibel meter will reveal whether it really is up to snuff or not.  My favourable impression at Silverstone was based upon a relatively short drive over unfamiliar roads. Watch this space...........

Regarding the Mazda 3 - I'm afraid that it is a car that I have no interest in. I owned a new Mazda 3 in 1987 and it was an OK car but the modern ones just don't seem to be much of a success in Europe. The Mazda 6 is, in my opinion, a better car than the Ford Mondeo with which it shares a lot of components - but the Ford outsells it by a huge amount. The Mazda MX5 is quite another story - if I had more hair and the money to spare I would have one tomorrow.
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 09, 2012, 10:18:25
I look forward to your verdict Alan.  :goodjob2:

In Australia, the Mazda 3 was recently named as the top selling car over the past year, toppling the Holden Commodore from its number 1 spot.

Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 09, 2012, 10:28:27
I agree Alan and I didn't actually write all that out, but it would have to be included, otherwise there can't be a meaningful reduction in noise. Your report with a new model will make very interesting reading, we all can't wait.  :neutral:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: asathorny on March 10, 2012, 12:27:39
Mentioning the dual mass flywheel and me being unaware as to what the heck that is I had to google it and found this three D vid....  So I thought I would share in case anyone else was wondering :-

3D animation of dual mass flywheel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnaXB8q3uzQ#)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 11, 2012, 03:05:46
Now would someone like to explain to me in words what the advantage is. There appear to be many failures of these devices mentioned on the internet.

My understanding of the flywheel principle is to accumulate energy in the form of angular momentum for use while the engine is not producing power as in the 4 cycle engine, only 1 stroke is power. So if energy is consumed in generating the rotation I don't see any gain. Energy can not be created only transformed. So what's the big deal with this device.  :(
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on March 11, 2012, 03:21:14
Nothing on Wiki .. so it can't be much chop  :lol: (Only kidding)

This site seems to explain it quite well ...

"Summary
 The dual mass flywheel eliminates excessive transmission gear rattle, reduces gear change/shift effort, and increases fuel economy. The function of the dual mass flywheels is to isolate torsion crankshaft spikes created by diesel engines with high compression ratios."

From Here

http://www.cdxetextbook.com/trans/clutchMan/clutches/dualmassflywheels.html (http://www.cdxetextbook.com/trans/clutchMan/clutches/dualmassflywheels.html)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 11, 2012, 04:59:16
That idea is about as popular as DPF, fancy owning a diesel manual, with both. Fortunately it's not a problem with autos as the torque converter, which is also the flywheel, provides a fluid coupling between the motor & the transmission.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 11, 2012, 07:39:32
Glad we got that sorted  :)
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: accim on March 19, 2012, 14:46:52
Great and detailed review of the i30 and the Golf.

I just have one comment about the comparison of the 1.4 TSI VW and 1.4 Hyundai engine - when comparing the TSI VW's engines with Hyundai's engines (and also others), I would suggest to compare VW's 1.4 TSI petrol engine to 1.6 Hyundai's petrol engine. In my opinion, the 1.4 petrol engine in i30, is comparable to VW's 1.2 TSI engine which is also available in Golf, Skoda Octavia.. But the 1.2 TSI feels better, because of the turbo.

TSI engines are, as we know, turbo charged engines and because of that, it seems a bit unfair to me, to compare it to the other non-turbo charged engines with same ccm's and HP.

I've driven a Golf VI with 1.4 TSI engine (122hp), Golf V with 1.4 TSI 170hp engine and 2.0 GTI (TSI 200hp) engine. Great cars, go well/great, they have great fuel economy considering how well they go and the overall quality is also great. But the prices are (at least were) quite high..


PS: It seems to me, that you have quite good Hyundai dealers, because our main Hyundai dealer, doesn't even respond to the e-mails you send them or sends some poor reply on the mail. And they do it even to me -> someone who has purchased (me or my family) around 10 new Hyundai's in the past 12 years and is planning on doing it again in future. Disaster  :fum:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: Dazzler on March 19, 2012, 20:18:29
PS: It seems to me, that you have quite good Hyundai dealers, because our main Hyundai dealer, doesn't even respond to the emails you send them or sends some poor reply on the mail. And they do it even to me -> someone who has purchased (me or my family) around 10 new Hyundai's in the past 12 years and is planning on doing it again in future. Disaster  :fum:

Interesting accim.. I think you know them well enough to bring this to their attention. If you breach it tactfully they might lift their game in this area..

Just don't use an analogy about the size of your "you know what"  :lol:
Title: Re: i30 Driving Experience - Silverstone (UK) 24th February 2012, by AlanHo
Post by: accim on March 20, 2012, 15:49:22
PS: It seems to me, that you have quite good Hyundai dealers, because our main Hyundai dealer, doesn't even respond to the emails you send them or sends some poor reply on the mail. And they do it even to me -> someone who has purchased (me or my family) around 10 new Hyundai's in the past 12 years and is planning on doing it again in future. Disaster  :fum:

Interesting accim.. I think you know them well enough to bring this to their attention. If you breach it tactfully they might lift their game in this area..

Just don't use an analogy about the size of your "you know what"  :lol:

Haha, I won't don't worry  :mrgreen: If there was something like that "under the bonnet", I just might, but..  :rofl:

No but really.. I'm really disappointed with the dealers. Ok, my local dealer/service (the local smaller one) is okay, but then again, I've never had any "special" questions for them, so can't really tell how they would react. But the main Hyundai dealer/office really sucks. You can't really expect any useful feedback from them  :rolleyes:
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