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ASA Autotechnik Saretz TUNINGBOX for i30 Diesel

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I think Shambles has always told the truth, and i think that's great.
at one point i was thinking about getting one myself, but i PMed Shambles to see what  or how it inmproved 5th gear pull. as that seems to be my faviorite gear 7 the gear i would have liked some increase in, but Shambles told me the truth that he felt most of his gain in the lowwer gears and 5th gear still felt same.
i could feel all the same things Shambles dewscribed in the lower gears like hunting for fuel & so on.
but strangly now that never happens i was very impressed with Betsys performance pulling 4 full size well feed aussies up hills around old girls in golf TSI, bet they were thinking that never should happen LOL but it happened.
Also we have people here quoteing HP like it's magic. but no one i have meet has every tested there quote on a dyno.
so one day i think i'll just put betsy on one see how she compares to the dyno graph Martin showed us all from his stock low k i30 diesel. but till then i'm happy .


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Another question for penak or anyone else who feels qualified to answer.. If a tuning box works mainly by increasing the injection of fuel how can Shambles and others who have used a tuning box been able to report an improvement in fuel economy?

Withouth REALLY careful methodology, fuel consumption measurement is truly hard. Mostly placebo effect I would say.

When you install a device that is supposed to decrease fuel consumption, you usually tend to get such results. Human mind is so sensitive to suggestion. What probably happens is that the driver subconsciously drives smoother, and errors in fuel consumption measurement do the rest.

It is a simple physical truth that you cannot modify a modern diesel in a way that would result in even 1% better fuel economy. These engines operate already so close to their theoretical maximum. If such result was possible easily, the manufacturer would already have done it. Increasing power is another thing, that may happen, but engine's thermodynamical efficiency cannot be measurably enhanced.

If the box varies the torque curve, it is however borderline plausible that in certain conditions you could keep the engine closer to it's optimum rpm by being able to use larger gear than previously. But that would be valid only for a very narrow set of conditions that should not be noticeable in a normal traffic cycle.

There is a funny story from here (Finland) of how deceivable even car journalists can be. One of the local tabloid papers published a story on their car pages about a total scam product, a stainless steel bar that is simply dropped to fuel tank or attached to fuel line with cable clamps. According to the manufacturer that steel bar has been impregnated with "cosmic energy" and will change the molecular structure of the fuel to a more efficient form. In other words, full bore baloney...

The poor journalist was dumb enough to swallow that garbage, apparently hook, line, and sinker. He drove from Helsinki to Rovaniemi withouth the bar in tank, dropped the bar to the tank and drove back, and found out that he had used less fuel. The poor sod reported that as the effect of the cosmic bar in his article withouth stopping to think OTHER more plausible explanations. The scream laughter that erupted on the paper's net forum was humiliating to the reporter, to put it mildly...

BTW. I have a nagging suspicion that many of those "tuning boxes" dont actually change anything else than just the response curve of the throttle pedal. Some results here say that the box don't seem to have noticeable effect on fifth gear, which would fit to that theory.
The boxes even having TUV approval also indirectly point to that direction. TUV approval does not evaluate the truthness of manufacturers power increase or economy claims, it just guarantees that the accessory is not dangerous in traffic, which fits a do-nothing-box marvelously.

Many shady firms use TUV approval as validators of their products in their marketing, when in real life the approval only says "This is not dangerous to be used in traffic".

It is a bit like using manufacturers ISO 9000 certification as an indicator of consumer product quality. A company that makes solid cast iron life buoys can have ISO 9000 certification...


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The actual reason some of these things might work could be considered irrelevent! Results are more important. If they do save fuel or do improve the driving experience, then that's proof positive... surely?
 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Too many sceptics in this world.


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The actual reason some of these things might work could be considered irrelevent! Results are more important. If they do save fuel or do improve the driving experience, then that's proof positive... surely?
 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Too many sceptics in this world.

 

Who me a sceptic  :eek: Just encouraging healthy discussion actually (Chipping and tuning boxes aren't really my bag)
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The actual reason some of these things might work could be considered irrelevent! Results are more important. If they do save fuel or do improve the driving experience, then that's proof positive... surely?
 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Too many sceptics in this world.


I don't get into the driving experience, but proving fuel savings is hard, could only be done on a closed circuit, driving statistically meaningful number of laps, and keeping exactly same lap times etc. etc.

Trying to notice the minuscule (+-1%) consumption differences in normal traffic is impossible.

IMHO too few sceptics in the world...



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I too am  a tuning box box advocate. I had my car on a dynometer to prove it wasn't my imagination. The car is decicively stronger all through the rev range, and the best I've managed was 1300km on one (filled to the brim) tank. I don't think I could have got that without the tuning box. Incidentally the other day I rang a specialist ECU reprogrammer in Australia (and who has been mentioned elsewhere in this forum) because I was entertaining the idea using a combination of re-programmed ECU and tuning box, but when I found out any ECU change could be picked up by Hyundai diagnostics equipment I stayed away. Yes I know there are purists out there, but at the end of the day the word 'warranty' wins all the time.


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Yes I know there are purists out there, but at the end of the day the word 'warranty' wins all the time.

Hi M8 .. unfortunately the words Insurance Company spooks me too.. I would hate to have a big prang and the insurance Assessor picked up I had a Tuning box fitted or an ECU upgrade (It's o/k Allianz I don't have either... :D)

They didn't even like my sports exhaust ..since removed :rolleyes:
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Bloody insurance companies. Although I have noticed insurance companies in Europe seem to accept this technology. By the way what's this I hear your selling your car mate. Whats going on here?


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Bloody insurance companies. Although I have noticed insurance companies in Europe seem to accept this technology. By the way what's this I hear your selling your car mate. Whats going on here?


At the risk of going off topic .. as much as I love my CRDi I'm looking for something with more room and a bit more luxury (and less road noise) i45 is the hot favourite after much research and a little bit of test driving... :wink:
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The actual reason some of these things might work could be considered irrelevent! Results are more important. If they do save fuel or do improve the driving experience, then that's proof positive... surely?
 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Too many sceptics in this world.


I don't get into the driving experience, but proving fuel savings is hard, could only be done on a closed circuit, driving statistically meaningful number of laps, and keeping exactly same lap times etc. etc.

Trying to notice the minuscule (+-1%) consumption differences in normal traffic is impossible.

IMHO too few sceptics in the world...

well actually it does not how to be the closed track, but one trip that you constantly make ... and few times i did make different driving styles before chip from Zagreb to Sarajevo (410 km) ... and when i chip tuned my car also the same.. and i can say its 1 l less with chip then without for the same trip :) (and i go once a month Zagreb - Sarajevo)



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