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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => DIESEL => Topic started by: blastslayer on August 23, 2018, 04:03:44
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Hi
yesterday, mrs drove into the garage door, thought it was in reverse and released airbags.
friends door round the way, thats another issue in itself ofcourse... We want to get it moved back home only 10 minute drive but it wont start
clicking sounds, but theres no action at the starter motor tho
Im guessing the airbag has released a signal to disable the car?
doesnt seem to be key fob, as the car key light is illuminated as per normal
any help, greatly appreciated
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Bugger! I did a google search and I think you are right. Common feature to disable start when airbags triggered.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Car+won%27t+start+after+airbags+triggered&oq=Car+won%27t+start+after+airbags+triggered&aqs=chrome..69i57.14767j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Car+won%27t+start+after+airbags+triggered&oq=Car+won%27t+start+after+airbags+triggered&aqs=chrome..69i57.14767j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
I'd ring Hyundai dealer for advice. :undecided:
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yea definately no flat battery, and the car is clearly not damaged enough to be a mechanical fault
any idea what is disabled? fuse or?
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May sound dumb but it's in park or neutral when you start?
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You could try disconnecting the negative terminal of the battery for a minimum of 30 minutes to reset the BCM/ECU. That can fix a multitude of issues. I'd give that a better than 50% chance of working. Still think a quick call to Hyundai is your easiest way of sorting it though (if battery reset doesn't work). :undecided:
BMWs have a Battery safety switch for this situation which i think needs to be replaced but a quick google doesn't bring up that system for Hyundais.
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You could try disconnecting the negative terminal of the battery for a minimum of 30 minutes to reset the BCM/ECU. That can fix a multitude of issues. I'd give that a better than 50% chance of working. Still think a quick call to Hyundai is your easiest way of sorting it though (if battery reset doesn't work). :undecided:
BMWs have a Battery safety switch for this situation which i think needs to be replaced but a quick google doesn't bring up that system for Hyundais.
I saw nothing in the user manual, also I've started an Auto with deployed bags and tensioners from the auctions with no issue
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Has bonnet been moved from its normal position in impact?
If so there is a alarm/disabling switch in engine area that is pressed in by the closed bonnet. That may not be full depressed.
Have you checked fuses to make sure all are ok.
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Hi
yesterday, mrs drove into the garage door, thought it was in reverse and released airbags.
Was it all the airbags?
Seats, side, 2 front etc
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All i can find is 80a fuse for the glow plug blown under bonnet, small box left hand side
Button on bonnet completes security yes, but not affect startup
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Would be a good move to replace the blown 80A fuse to start with.
Not sure if that would have any bearing on your starter motor failing to crank though...
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Yep, no start, no idea
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All i can find is 80a fuse for the glow plug blown under bonnet, small box left hand side
Button on bonnet completes security yes, but not affect startup
Replace fuse, as if plugs not warming up this may effect starting, and then try again.
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You may have to grab a meter and do some old fashioned fault finding to establish what voltages are present.
Check battery volatage is at the starter
Check battery voltage when key turned
Check what voltage is at the solenoid when key turn
Check / swapout starter relay in fuse box
Check starter cct interlocks
Check fuses
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From what you suggest you have now got a steering airbag on your lap, dash blown out and front seatbelts locked ?
Yes?
NO??
You don't mention the extent of the front panel damage.
The front crash sensors are on each side of the radiator. Small yellow plastic things. Its hit and miss :rolleyes: if you have triggered one.
Usually you can start the car and drive it after the prang.
Possibly one is permanently on or the cable is pinched. Follow the cable to the left of the radiator. Large plug> unplug it.
You are assuming that it is bag sensor, but the symptom sounds like bad battery to starter motor connection.
Follow that line too.
If you have blown bags forget a Dealer, 2nd hand repair kit will cost about $500-$700 plus 2 days labour.
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From what you suggest you have now got a steering airbag on your lap, dash blown out and front seatbelts locked ?
Yes?
NO??
You don't mention the extent of the front panel damage.
The front crash sensors are on each side of the radiator. Small yellow plastic things. Its hit and miss :rolleyes: if you have triggered one.
Usually you can start the car and drive it after the prang.
Possibly one is permanently on or the cable is pinched. Follow the cable to the left of the radiator. Large plug> unplug it.
You are assuming that it is bag sensor, but the symptom sounds like bad battery to starter motor connection.
Follow that line too.
If you have blown bags forget a Dealer, 2nd hand repair kit will cost about $500-$700 plus 2 days labour.
@nzenigma Sounds like an insurance job, write-off and start again, plenty of cheap ones getting around
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Yes mate, For that age of car only I ( :wacko: ) would bother, and only because I have two kits in Shed 2.
Problem I have :crazy1: is that @blastslayer hasn't been clear about the damage , he says bags, Lester asked which ones >no bloody answer.
yea definately no flat battery, and the car is clearly not damaged enough to be a mechanical fault
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Yes mate, For that age of car only I ( :wacko: ) would bother, and only because I have two kits in Shed 2.
Problem I have :crazy1: is that @blastslayer hasn't been clear about the damage , he says bags, Lester asked which ones >no bloody answer.
yea definately no flat battery, and the car is clearly not damaged enough to be a mechanical fault
The answer should be , driver only unless there was a passenger with a full frontal
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never seen that, tap on the nose will blow everything in the front including both seat belts. Left and Right side curtains are separate and include the left or right seat bag .
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never seen that, tap on the nose will blow everything in the front including both seat belts. Left and Right side curtains are separate and include the left or right seat bag .
Ok, maybe not this one, always thought if no passenegr was detected then it did not activate
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was a tap on the nose yes, no side airbags, but the passenger airbag deployed even with no passenger. Havent checked the seatbelts
Will have a look at the plugs either side of radiator
Battery is fully recharged too
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was a tap on the nose yes, no side airbags, but the passenger airbag deployed even with no passenger. Havent checked the seatbelts
Will have a look at the plugs either side of radiator
Battery is fully recharged too
The red wagon I stripped both bags deployed also meant both front retractors were fired and locked / throw away.
You may get lucky.
"The pre-tensioners will not be activated
if the seat belts are not being worn
at the time of the collision."
I put a car through a closed roller door once when I slipped and went full throttle with my body hanging out the door. Frightening experiemce :crazy1:
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I put a car through a closed roller door once when I slipped and went full throttle with my body hanging out the door. Frightening experiemce :crazy1:
Jeepers! :Shocked: :Shocked:
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Ok that's a bit more useful, thanks for coming back bslayer.
not sure where you got this Gerard:
"The pre-tensioners will not be activated
if the seat belts are not being worn
at the time of the collision."
So far, every FD with blown bags I have repaired or checked has had both pre-tensioners activated. It makes sense that all front systems go off, if for some reason the passenger isn't detected, it dies.
To date every car with bags activated or with damaged front loom has been drivable.
If you want to run it why not run a jumper down to the starter motor? If the bag module had caused the ECU to shut down, you wouldn't be getting a clicking sound.
Try and find that click, my bet is its the starter solenoid. If so, jumper it.
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I put a car through a closed roller door once when I slipped and went full throttle with my body hanging out the door. Frightening experiemce :crazy1:
Jeepers! :Shocked: :Shocked:
:crap: :weneedpics: :weneedpics: :weneedpics:
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Ok that's a bit more useful, thanks for coming back bslayer.
not sure where you got this Gerard:
"The pre-tensioners will not be activated
if the seat belts are not being worn
at the time of the collision."
So far, every FD with blown bags I have repaired or checked has had both pre-tensioners activated. It makes sense that all front systems go off, if for some reason the passenger isn't detected, it dies.
To date every car with bags activated or with damaged front loom has been drivable.
If you want to run it why not run a jumper down to the starter motor? If the bag module had caused the ECU to shut down, you wouldn't be getting a clicking sound.
Try and find that click, my bet is its the starter solenoid. If so, jumper it.
straight from the owners manual
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I thought that would be the source, maybe they had a rethink. :head_butt:
You can tell what has gone down because the drivers belt is locked 'loose' and the passenger one is often locked tight into the pillar.
PS. actually Im very sorry to hear about your roller door. :blubber:
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I put a car through a closed roller door once when I slipped and went full throttle with my body hanging out the door. Frightening experiemce :crazy1:
Jeepers! :Shocked: :Shocked:
:crap: :weneedpics: :weneedpics: :weneedpics:
1995, 7am Sunday morning, 18 yalumba St Kingston. $600 worth to fix back then. Sorry only got after shot with it still in one piece 23 years later
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@nzenigma @nzenigma @nzenigma @nzenigma @nzenigma @nzenigma
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:brilliant: :ta: :judges:
:D Bliss, two consecutive posts with pictures.
1. mate glad you survived :goodjob2:
2. I accept that is what is in the handbook, however I keep finding passenger belts pulled hard into the B pillar. Two possible reasons, both fronts blow irrespective of occupancy, OR passengers never wear a belt. :crazy1:
In regard to this non starting car, has the notion been canvased that the position of Park and Neutral start switch has been changed by the impact?
Can possibly be overcome by pushing on the gear lever, or just putting +12v on the starter, as above.
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:brilliant: :ta: :judges:
:D Bliss, two consecutive posts with pictures.
1. mate glad you survived :goodjob2:
2. I accept that is what is in the handbook, however I keep finding passenger belts pulled hard into the B pillar. Two possible reasons, both fronts blow irrespective of occupancy, OR passengers never wear a belt. :crazy1:
In regard to this non starting car, has the notion been canvased that the position of Park and Neutral start switch has been changed by the impact?
Can possibly be overcome by pushing on the gear lever, or just putting +12v on the starter, as above.
True, it could be wrong.
Granted there are many ways to skin a cat but twice interlocks have been mentioned and first question I asked as may seem an obvious oversight.
May sound dumb but it's in park or neutral when you start?
You may have to grab a meter and do some old fashioned fault finding to establish what voltages are present.
Check battery volatage is at the starter
Check battery voltage when key turned
Check what voltage is at the solenoid when key turn
Check / swapout starter relay in fuse box
Check starter cct interlocks
Check fuses
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2. I accept that is what is in the handbook, however I keep finding passenger belts pulled hard into the B pillar. Two possible reasons, both fronts blow irrespective of occupancy, OR passengers never wear a belt. :crazy1:
Excuse me Marzster.
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Just had a thought. .... :whistler:....... thinking back to the Little Red Wagon that no longer Huffed & Puffed, both front belts were locked in hard against the B pillar. Maybe they still retract but once fired that's it they are locked?
If you zoom in you can make out the drivers belt in its' retracted postion
(https://preview.ibb.co/dSuDhp/20161229_122607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kthNa9)
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:argh:
Bustid you know where I will be and what will be on my mind next Thursday.
Don't forget your notebook Gary, comrade Gerard requires a list :crazy1: and no doubt photographic proof. :crazy2:
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:snigger: Now boys settle down..
Is this what they mean by a love / hate relationship? :crazy1:
The car might not have started but something has. :P
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Or maybe not?
:question:
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:argh:
Bustid you know where I will be and what will be on my mind next Thursday.
Don't forget your notebook Gary, comrade Gerard requires a list :crazy1: and no doubt photographic proof. :crazy2:
Photos would be lovely :victory: Bonus points for short video, no commentary :scared:
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Currently moving house while sorting the car. Makes it hard for diagnostics, as its not at my place yet
I have tried to start thru all gear positions, no dice.. Relation to the the 80a fuse, seems that's a non replaceable.
Few things to check next will be; pre pensioners state, gear position switch, yellow clips beside the radiator(disconnect these right?) And... Finally jump the starter if all else is failing
Great feedback guys thanks a lot
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The so called 'yellow clips' are actually the impact detectors, so they are now suss and you need to dump them.
I really think this is finger trouble so just jump start it and search later.
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Hard to imagine a fuse non-replaceable. where is it located? Is it the one left hand side viewing into the engine bay, small box full of relays? if it is that's the glow fuse.
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The so called 'yellow clips' are actually the impact detectors, so they are now suss and you need to dump them.
I really think this is finger trouble so just jump start it and search later.
will give this a crack tomorrow
Hard to imagine a fuse non-replaceable. where is it located? Is it the one left hand side viewing into the engine bay, small box full of relays? if it is that's the glow fuse.
yes thats the fuse, single 80 with a few relays... Unless im mistaken, i couldnt remove the dead fuse. Busted the clear cap off it already, pulling on either side of the metal tangs with pointy nose and wont release.. Not sure, looks like ill be solder/wiring another one on at a later date
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The so called 'yellow clips' are actually the impact detectors, so they are now suss and you need to dump them.
I really think this is finger trouble so just jump start it and search later.
will give this a crack tomorrow
Hard to imagine a fuse non-replaceable. where is it located? Is it the one left hand side viewing into the engine bay, small box full of relays? if it is that's the glow fuse.
yes thats the fuse, single 80 with a few relays... Unless im mistaken, i couldnt remove the dead fuse. Busted the clear cap off it already, pulling on either side of the metal tangs with pointy nose and wont release.. Not sure, looks like ill be solder/wiring another one on at a later date
Has the 150 A link been checked in the main engine bay fuse / relay box?
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this is the style of fuse for the glow, pretty hefty it will be in tight
(https://www.full-repair.com/technics-repair/auto/replacing-glow-plugs-of-crdi-engine/photo/new-glow-plugs-fuse.jpg.pagespeed.ce.S9JxmVgx2x.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uqsAAOSwjUhaTka8/s-l1600.jpg)
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Before I draw up my list tomorrow :whistler:, I checked our later manual to see if the above info remained current. It did. :goodjob2:
But Gerard read it again, it is ambiguous.
Para 1. It says 'seat belts can be activated....'
Para 2. it says 'will not be activated if seat belts are not being worn.....'
Both occasions it is "belts" plural.
Unless they were anticipating later rear belts with pretension, there are only two that are going to be affected.
I cant see the point in saving one seatbelt when the rest of the devises have destroyed themselves.
Just saying like .. not trying to make a point or nothing, just thought I would mention it. :phone1:
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Before I draw up my list tomorrow :whistler:, I checked our later manual to see if the above info remained current. It did. :goodjob2:
But Gerard read it again, it is ambiguous.
Para 1. It says 'seat belts can be activated....'
Para 2. it says 'will not be activated if seat belts are not being worn.....'
Both occasions it is "belts" plural.
Unless they were anticipating later rear belts with pretension, there are only two that are going to be affected.
I cant see the point in saving one seatbelt when the rest of the devises have destroyed themselves.
Just saying like .. not trying to make a point or nothing, just thought I would mention it. :phone1:
I expect to be wrong, I do like evidence though, bit like fault finding. It's in my blood.
:rofl:
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:groan: guess its back to the list :blubber:
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Update, back at the car, yellow plugs dc'd.. Nothing
Seat belts locked both driver and passenger...
Is there a method to jumping the starter.. I know the principle but I cant even see the starter. Thanks
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Seat belts locked both driver and passenger...
:whistler: Hey Gerard,,,mate :evil: alias @tw2005 noted? :mrgreen:
Is there a method to jumping the starter.. I know the principle but I cant even see the starter. Thanks
You will find it easier to see from underneath if you don't know your way around the car.
On top of the starter is a smaller solenoid, it acts as a switch for the high amp 12v.
you can use a lighter wire from the battery or just get a screw driver and bridge 12v to one of the small tabs on the solenoid. Will be two of them. That will make it kick in and turn.
If you have the key to on, then hopefully engine will fire up.
good luck
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Seat belts locked both driver and passenger...
:whistler: Hey Gerard,,,mate :evil: alias @tw2005 noted? :mrgreen:
Is there a method to jumping the starter.. I know the principle but I cant even see the starter. Thanks
You will find it easier to see from underneath if you don't know your way around the car.
On top of the starter is a smaller solenoid, it acts as a switch for the high amp 12v.
you can use a lighter wire from the battery or just get a screw driver and bridge 12v to one of the small tabs on the solenoid. Will be two of them. That will make it kick in and turn.
If you have the key to on, then hopefully engine will fire up.
good luck
Oh well :blubber:
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Didn't have to resort to squeezing under the car looking for the starter, who hooo
Alas, got the bastard.... :victory:
Was a severed earthwire , looking at engine between the battery and the fog light
Hmm.... Now what, any chance if re instating the seat belts for VERY minimal driving?
And guys, thanks heaps for input, so much response led to the result..
Nb. I used a staunch piece of wire To bridge the 80a, almost metled... Issue here maybe... Rekkon a new 80 amp could just blow
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Didn't have to resort to squeezing under the car looking for the starter, who hooo
Alas, got the bastard.... :victory:
Was a severed earthwire , looking at engine between the battery and the fog light
Hmm.... Now what, any chance if re instating the seat belts for VERY minimal driving?
And guys, thanks heaps for input, so much response led to the result..
Nb. I used a staunch piece of wire To bridge the 80a, almost metled... Issue here maybe... Rekkon a new 80 amp could just blow
Tell me. just a tap, the drivers words or yours? Excuse my cynicism but may we have some images of this just a tap that was enough to deploy airbags and sever earth leads?
I would think negative for the belts. I'm assuming insurance is not an option here?
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Didn't have to resort to squeezing under the car looking for the starter, who hooo
Alas, got the bastard.... :victory:
Was a severed earthwire , looking at engine between the battery and the fog light
Hmm.... Now what, any chance if re instating the seat belts for VERY minimal driving?
And guys, thanks heaps for input, so much response led to the result..
Nb. I used a staunch piece of wire To bridge the 80a, almost metled... Issue here maybe... Rekkon a new 80 amp could just blow
Tell me. just a tap, the drivers words or yours? Excuse my cynicism but may we have some images of this just a tap that was enough to deploy airbags and sever earth leads?
I would think negative for the belts. I'm assuming insurance is not an option here?
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I have to add my cynicism to my colleague's astute and SANE comments.
For my part, my assistance was only aimed at getting the car out of your friend's driveway, not putting a frigging death trap back on the road! :crazy1:
I should add, in case you missed it earlier, I regularly work with this type of damage. Your car has had extensive internal and probably structural damage. It is probably a write off.
New seat belts and off on our merry way? Jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Who do intend to kill? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1:
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Very interested in pics. Given the usual length of a driveway and the 'give' a garage door would give in such an impact I too am somewhat sceptical. For the airbags to deploy, you would need some degree of speed, the type that would punch through a garage door and probably through whatever wall lives at the end of the garage. I dare say the house would be in need of some degree of support, and the car in need of skull dragging out via a tow.
But my Wife will tell me I am often wrong :whistler:
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:rofl:
I must have married her sister
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She must be one of triplets! :crazy1: