Post by: CraigB on April 24, 2015, 08:03:04
Be interesting to see the improvements first hand from this nice little kit when it's done as the dyno graphs only show the benefits on the Korean 103PS version 1.6ltr compared to mine being a 135PS.
(http://i.imgur.com/vJI7bK2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CbyoGTB.jpg)
Post by: Johnno on April 24, 2015, 09:44:28
Post by: CraigB on April 24, 2015, 09:46:55
Post by: Shambles on April 24, 2015, 10:02:08
Post by: Johnno on April 24, 2015, 10:10:41
Post by: CraigB on April 24, 2015, 10:18:10
the translator doesn't translate much on their site, just shows a graph with a 11hp increase, from a set of gaskets, yeah rightYou obviously have no idea how spacer kits work :rolleyes:
It's also a 12PS increase( metric horsepower ) for the 103PS version engine, different results to what I should see though still good all the same.
Don't know what website your looking at but Sharkracing is in English :link: Gamma 1.6 Engine EX-Power Intake Spacer Kit - Shark Racing (http://www.sharkracing.com/gamma-1-6-engine-ex-power-intake-spacer-kit/) :)
Post by: Johnno on April 24, 2015, 10:35:05
Post by: CraigB on April 24, 2015, 10:45:17
You get much more gain than that when working with V8's, we used carbie spacers in all our road and drag cars and some of the results were up to 80 HP, even more when using av gas :D
Post by: Johnno on April 24, 2015, 11:15:24
Post by: Johnno on April 24, 2015, 11:19:25
Also if your improving the intake air flow you should have a look at the air flow out, better exhaust system
Post by: CraigB on April 24, 2015, 11:26:09
If the car makers had to put those sort of testing and development hours into all those extra parts they would need to triple the cost of the cars.
Post by: CraigB on April 24, 2015, 11:29:16
Have you ever thought of lightening the flywheel won't give you any increases but it will make the engine rev more freely, as the saying goes every little bit helps.Lightening the flywheel would be expensive and only of use if looking at competition use, also an immediate void of warranty as would the extractors, not much point changing the exhaust from the cat back until the extractors can be done as there isn't enough gain.
Also if your improving the intake air flow you should have a look at the air flow out, better exhaust system
Post by: Wingerdave on April 28, 2015, 10:50:13
the translator doesn't translate much on their site, just shows a graph with a 11hp increase, from a set of gaskets, yeah right
It's also a 12PS increase( metric horsepower ) for the 103PS version engine, different results to what I should see though still good all the same.
You'd need the kit to make up the difference between metric HP and "Imperial" HP. In this case less is less.
BTW, i have NEVER seen HP refered to as being either Metric or British by any car manufacturer. It's 10 f/lbs difference !!!
Post by: CraigB on April 28, 2015, 11:15:13
You'd need the kit to make up the difference between metric HP and "Imperial" HP. In this case less is less.The difference between PS and HP is minimal, my car is 135 PS = 133hp.
BTW, i have NEVER seen HP refered to as being either Metric or British by any car manufacturer. It's 10 f/lbs difference !!!
Metric or British...I have no idea what you're talking about, PS is metric and all Korean care are measured in metric scale, as for the lbs difference it is 7.2 ft.lb =1 kg.m torque increase on the 103PS version 1.6ltr with 10+HP
Post by: Johnno on April 28, 2015, 11:27:45
the translator doesn't translate much on their site, just shows a graph with a 11hp increase, from a set of gaskets, yeah right
It's also a 12PS increase( metric horsepower ) for the 103PS version engine, different results to what I should see though still good all the same.
You'd need the kit to make up the difference between metric HP and "Imperial" HP. In this case less is less.
BTW, i have NEVER seen HP refered to as being either Metric or British by any car manufacturer. It's 10 f/lbs difference !!!
Dave f/lbs is a reference used for Torque or Nm if metric
Post by: Wingerdave on April 28, 2015, 12:06:41
the translator doesn't translate much on their site, just shows a graph with a 11hp increase, from a set of gaskets, yeah right
It's also a 12PS increase( metric horsepower ) for the 103PS version engine, different results to what I should see though still good all the same.
You'd need the kit to make up the difference between metric HP and "Imperial" HP. In this case less is less.
BTW, i have NEVER seen HP refered to as being either Metric or British by any car manufacturer. It's 10 f/lbs difference !!!
Dave f/lbs is a reference used for Torque or Nm if metric
Sorry ..... f.lbs/s.
Anyway, it should have been in watts, but i was eating a sausage roll when i replied.
So 1HP (British) = 745 W, 1HP (Metric) = 735 W
Post by: CraigB on April 28, 2015, 12:41:39
So 1HP (British) = 745 WIn the motoring world that would be 0.745kw ( kilowatts ), 1kw roughly equals 1.34HP :)
Post by: Wingerdave on April 28, 2015, 12:51:01
And, a number of manufacturers mention the kw's but not the HP's, which means us older types have to keep converting to find out just how much power the engine delivers, unless it's an electric motor, in which case kw's would be the norm.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it :exclaim:
Post by: CraigB on April 29, 2015, 02:55:44
Or 0,0745 Mw :winker:The change to kw's happened in the late 80's early 90's, it wasn't to hard to grasp but us Aussies are a smart bunch :D are you lot still using miles as well :snigger:
And, a number of manufacturers mention the kw's but not the HP's, which means us older types have to keep converting to find out just how much power the engine delivers, unless it's an electric motor, in which case kw's would be the norm.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it :exclaim:
Post by: Wingerdave on April 29, 2015, 08:29:13
Or 0,0745 Mw :winker:The change to kw's happened in the late 80's early 90's, it wasn't to hard to grasp but us Aussies are a smart bunch :D are you lot still using miles as well :snigger:
And, a number of manufacturers mention the kw's but not the HP's, which means us older types have to keep converting to find out just how much power the engine delivers, unless it's an electric motor, in which case kw's would be the norm.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it :exclaim:
Nah, only Britain is hanging on in quiet desparation (bit of Pink Floyd there). They use everything all mixed up together. You buy fuel in liters and then work out miles per gallon. It's much easier to just go metric but they have some hang ups about it for some reason.
Maybe it's because going abroad on holiday wouldn't have the same romantic feel about it if everything was the same.
As per the change to kw's, it was much later over here as far as Johnny Public was concerned.
Most people i speak to see kw's as how much something cost's to run (demand as opposed to supply).
Post by: CraigB on April 29, 2015, 08:40:07
Post by: Johnno on April 30, 2015, 21:55:31
Post by: CraigB on May 08, 2015, 10:08:09
You can immediately notice the difference with not having to drop the pedal as much as what I was used to, much smoother throughout the rev range and none of the tugging feed back that was noticeable at mid throttle, now I just need to do a tank refill to see how the mileage fares.
Post by: Dazzler on May 08, 2015, 10:11:35
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 08, 2015, 10:19:05
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 08, 2015, 10:20:13
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 08, 2015, 10:21:51
Post by: CraigB on May 08, 2015, 10:29:44
Well, that's one good thing that happened today. :goodjob2:Got to be happy with that I suppose :p
Post by: Gibbo on May 08, 2015, 12:02:38
Post by: CraigB on May 08, 2015, 13:14:40
I had a mechanic friend around the corner fit the spacers for me, it would cost me more to buy the torque wrench than what he wanted to fit it :)
Post by: cruiserfied on May 08, 2015, 23:48:13
Post by: jesam on May 09, 2015, 21:37:15
Post by: CraigB on May 14, 2015, 06:42:45
The X kit on it's own makes much more of a difference than anything else I've tried so far with an increase in power - torque and smoothness while retaining excellent economy, one additional change I did do though was to remove the baffle from inside the top/lid of the air filter box as it closes of the intake path by a few millimetres.
Post by: Johnno on May 14, 2015, 10:23:29
Post by: CraigB on May 14, 2015, 10:35:52
Craig good work :goodjob: have you tried a high flow panel filter as lt looks like you've gone are far as you can go now you've done the baffle mod, lot of the guys over here remove the baffles and fit a high flow panel filter. I did find a few video's of some guys testing filter's on you tube not sure if they were from Aus but it made it was interesting on their findings I'll try and look for itNo I haven't tested the panel filter in this car as of yet, that'll be on the list soon...I can get the K&N filter for about $40 through a friend.
Post by: Johnno on May 14, 2015, 10:47:57
:link: Cold Air Intakes Mythbusted [Turbo] - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCi2yo4UqPI)
:link: Mighty Car Mods - POD Filters Mythbusted - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAIxeQUSg-Q)
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 14, 2015, 10:54:31
Post by: CraigB on May 14, 2015, 10:59:40
Post by: Johnno on May 14, 2015, 11:58:44
Any pilot will confirm that cold air does affect engine performance. :exclaim:
It does Phil to a certain degree, especially when you've got a FMIC fitted, the denser [ie colder the air more oxygen ] the more efficient the fuel will burn . No oxygen no burn..also like Craig as stated the more air you can ram into the cylinders, some folk have water sprayers on their IC's to help to cool the intake.
Nitrous oxide has another effect that improves performance even more. When it vaporizes, nitrous oxide provides a significant cooling effect on the intake air. When you reduce the intake air temperature, you increase the air's density, and this provides even more oxygen inside the cylinder
Post by: CraigB on May 26, 2015, 12:56:16
(http://i.imgur.com/VIpi2W9.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on May 26, 2015, 23:53:08
Post by: CraigB on May 27, 2015, 07:23:27
Post by: Dazzler on May 27, 2015, 09:03:10
Post by: CraigB on May 27, 2015, 17:36:00
You can also check the standard times of all the Hyundai models there :)
Post by: Dazzler on May 28, 2015, 00:37:40
I found some UK time specs which is 0-60mph ( 96.5kph ) 9.9 seconds for my model :link: Hyundai i30 Coupe 1.6 GDI 2012 ? Manual ? 135HP - 0-60 Seconds Times (http://www.0-60secs.co.uk/trim/i30-coupe-16-gdi-manual-135hp/fm) , now I just need to find somewhere quiet to test my own time, maybe a stop start on the freeway tomorrow :D
You can also check the standard times of all the Hyundai models there :)
Thanks Craig. Gee, 10 seconds isn't bad for stock (probably more for the Tourer - edit : 10.2 )
Any thing under 9 would be a pleasing result!
Post by: CraigB on May 28, 2015, 11:10:17
Any thing under 9 would be a pleasing result!Fat chance, 9.3 was the best I could do over three attempts ( with a passenger ), that's quite respectable though considering it's only small intake flow improvements that have been done.
Post by: Dazzler on May 28, 2015, 11:12:35
Any thing under 9 would be a pleasing result!Fat chance, 9.3 was the best I could do over three attempts, that's quite respectable though considering it's only small intake flow improvements that have been done.
:goodjob:
How about economy? Better or worse do you reckon? :undecided:
Post by: CraigB on May 28, 2015, 11:27:34
Post by: Johnno on May 28, 2015, 12:00:27
Post by: Dazzler on May 28, 2015, 23:54:55
Reasonable performance, great looks and excellent economy! :happydance:
Post by: CraigB on May 29, 2015, 04:13:20
Post by: CraigB on June 03, 2015, 10:07:55
The instantaneous response is definitely not there as that is due to the restrictions of all the pipe work before the filter box.
(http://i.imgur.com/XUyMvr0.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on June 03, 2015, 11:17:08
Post by: CraigB on June 03, 2015, 11:25:57
My Brother is a big fan of K & N Filters. He's just put one in his Prius! :cool:Yeah their filters are great, all the different pods I've used are either SAAS or K&N...it's all the crap before and around the filter that is rubbish.
Post by: Wingerdave on June 03, 2015, 18:45:17
Post by: CraigB on October 29, 2017, 17:55:47
Phenolic intake spacers for the Genesis have seen good results in the USA over the last year and now the Koreans have made them available for the 1.6ltr engines so I thought I'd install one and put it through the trials :) Phenolic material prevents heat transfer into the manifold so it helps minimally in lower intake temps though the spacing width is what is really critical to get the correct acoustic air charging balance.
I've only done 80km's with it installed and so far power/torque is up slightly compared to the small gains I'd found with the 3mm spacer, sometimes too large a spacer on the intake runner can make the gains to high in the rpm range (better for racing) but the 8mm spacer seems to be well balanced through the whole rpm at this stage.
My usual fuel avg is 6.2lph so I'll know by the end of this fresh tank what the average will settle at, I'm always driving the same locations so tests will replicate easily enough though it takes a couple of hundred k's for the ECU to assimilate and the full changes to show, it's currently at 5.6lph after 80km's so looking good so far.
Post by: Dazzler on October 29, 2017, 20:31:24
Post by: CraigB on November 13, 2017, 05:41:42
Usage at this point is 5.8lph and 798km's for 50/50 suburbia and hwy, normally I'm on 6.2lph and getting a maximum of 730-750km's out of a tank.
I also attached my 60mm throttle body for this test which normally has me using an extra 1/2lph so to get an extra 100 or so km's in this test over what I'd get with the 57mm throttle body I think is quite amazing :happydance:
(https://i.imgur.com/9DKZdZJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZCnC7Fn.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on November 13, 2017, 06:11:35
Post by: mickd on November 13, 2017, 06:57:40
Post by: CraigB on November 13, 2017, 07:20:18
Interesting to see how the next couple of tanks go 👍I'll monitoring and updating as I go :)
I think we're heading down south over the xmas break so that will be interesting with like 90% HWY driving, should hopefully show even greater results :fingers:
Post by: The Gonz on November 13, 2017, 07:23:14
Post by: CraigB on November 13, 2017, 07:42:32
You always seem to be having technofun with your little beast, Craig. :lol:Just techfun :wink:
Not having drag vehicles anymore my only outlet to curb the withdrawals is to keep tinkering with this, not quite the same adrenaline rush but satisfies my curiosity and desire to play with tools :)
Post by: mickd on November 13, 2017, 08:06:28
You always seem to be having technofun with your little beast, Craig. :lol:Just techfun :wink:
Not having drag vehicles anymore my only outlet to curb the withdrawals is to keep tinkering with this, not quite the same adrenaline rush but satisfies my curiosity and desire to play with tools :)
I hear dirt drags is fairly popular over there with a run what you bring approach.
A lot of bikes with paddles or twin rear wheel setups as linked in streetfighter forum.
200m dirt/ sand strip with timing lights etc.
Post by: The Gonz on November 13, 2017, 08:24:41
200m dirt/ sand strip with timing lights:confused:
:rofl:
Post by: CraigB on November 13, 2017, 08:34:17
I hear dirt drags is fairly popular over there with a run what you bring approach.There used to be a property up north of here run by one of the biker gangs where they did the dirt an mud drags but I've not heard of them in years, never been to watch them myself.
A lot of bikes with paddles or twin rear wheel setups as linked in streetfighter forum.
200m dirt/ sand strip with timing lights etc.
The local dragstrip-speedway and jet boat course are my favourites :honk:
Post by: mickd on November 13, 2017, 08:49:54
200m dirt/ sand strip with timing lights:confused:
:rofl:
:lol: :rolleyes: :disapp:
Post by: CraigB on December 01, 2017, 10:05:58
Still having 5ltrs left in the tank makes them pretty good results "me thinks" :D
(https://i.imgur.com/I8p81t4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oE5yBn1.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on December 01, 2017, 20:22:30
Post by: CraigB on December 02, 2017, 04:53:12
Wow, that's terrific. With the turbo added , I think my best will be around 700kms.Dazz, you should get one for Trish's car...better torque and economy :) very easy to install, takes about 20-30 minutes.
Just looking at the Shark Racing site now and they've already bumped the price up to $94US :rolleyes:
Post by: Dazzler on December 02, 2017, 10:50:55
Post by: CraigB on December 02, 2017, 11:00:24
Post by: CraigB on March 26, 2018, 08:59:33
On a better note :) the spacer I installed is working well, just filled up again at the same point as last time with 47ltrs used in both refills and managed to slightly better the last result of 5.8ltrs - 798km's with 5.7ltrs - 829km's (730 to 750km prior to spacer fitment)Next update, I don't think I can get any better than this :D I'll be filling up at the same point again so another 47ltrs, this time achieved 872km's before the flashing fuel level came on so what's left in the tank should get me over 920km's :happydance:
Still having 5ltrs left in the tank makes them pretty good results "me thinks" :D
(https://i.imgur.com/I8p81t4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oE5yBn1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BPBY3gN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OIYgtZc.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on March 26, 2018, 10:02:51
Post by: CraigB on March 26, 2018, 10:24:33