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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => EXTERIOR => Topic started by: eye30 on March 08, 2012, 13:38:02
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I've put this here rather than part of my other thread re car accident...
Ok so I may be getting car back tomorrow but I've got to ask a few questions.
I've been told that the new wing, bonnet and bumper have been resprayed but have now told me that they have "blended" in the wing which wasn't damaged.
Is "blending" an acceptable method?
What should I be looking for to ensure that the paint is correct on all the car i.e how can I ensure that the original back/side are the same as the wings/bonnet/bumper?
What should I be looking for to ensure the paintwork has been done correctly?
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Nothing better than good old eyeballing mate.
If it looks good to you, it'll look good to anyone.
And vice-versa.
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About 40 years ago I had some "blending" done. As far as I could tell it was only done because the paint colour did not match. Look critically at the result. These days there is no excuse for mismatched paint and I'd suspect the guy might have "mixed his own" from what he already had.
As said though, if you can't see it (assuming you have a good eye) then it's done well enough.
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I had some dent and paint repairs done on my drive by a mobile guy. I posted a thread on here about it probably a year ago.
He removed a dent from over the wheel arch and sprayed part of the front bumper and part of the side panel - blending into the existing paint. It was impossible to see any difference in the repaired area then - and is still impossible to see it now.
My car is silver - not the easiest of colours to match. The guy ignored the Hyundai paint code and instead used a hand held paint scanner on the existing paint to take a colour reading. He then plugged it into a laptop which gave him some pigment data to mix a small quantity of paint into a metallic base paint. He told me that he used about 6 different metallic base paints to suit different cars. He was absolutely spot on first time.
My wifes i10 was repaired at the same time (I bumped her car with mine - dont ask!!!) which is also siver and he was just as successful with hers. We thought our cars were exactly the same colour - they look as though they are when parked side-by-side - but he had to use a quite different pigment blend on hers.
So if a man-in-a-van can get it right - it makes you wonder why a proper body shop has made such a cack of your car.
I think you need to take a good look at the car - outside on a bright day - from every angle to check the gloss and colour match. Try and park well away from any strong coloured adjacent items that would introduce off-putting reflections. Run your hand lightly over the new paint and into the old to see if there is any marked difference - and run your hand over all adjacent surfaces to detect any slight roughness caused by over-spray. Don't forget the bonnet and roof.
Finally - do a thorough check to make sure all parts they have removed or replaced are attached properly and the shut lines are correct and in line.
I sincerley hope you find that all is well - good luck - I will cross my fingers for you
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Is "blending" an acceptable method?
Is your car covered by the Hy 10 year paint warranty? If so I suspect it's not acceptable for that. If it's not then I doubt it matters as long as it looks ok.
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You've had some great replies there Lester (pretty much covers it)
It is normal practice to blend unless they are doing the whole car .. There is a real skill to getting the texture, colour and mica content (for want of a better word) right but it will be obvious to the eye (like it was before) if it is not a good job...
Best of luck (I am not confident sorry - on their past performance) :confused:
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Good luck eye30, hope this is the end of the saga for you. :neutral:
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(I am not confident sorry - on their past performance) :confused:
Nor am I but given the issues I've had with this car I'm hopeful that they have got it right at last.
Still waiting for the phone call to say the badges have arrived/fitted and ready to pick up.
Thanks to all who have replied and I'll be taking on board all that has been said.
To be continued.............................
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Still waiting for the phone call to say the badges have arrived/fitted and ready to pick up.
You would have thought after all the messing about that they would have got the badges sooner - sounds like such a lame excuse to delay you picking it up. Perhaps they have just seen this forum and have rushed out to check for over-spray or something... :whistler:
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Still waiting for the phone call to say the badges have arrived/fitted and ready to pick up.
You would have thought after all the messing about that they would have got the badges sooner - sounds like such a lame excuse to delay you picking it up. Perhaps they have just seen this forum and have rushed out to check for over-spray or something... :whistler:
Picking up tomorrow am, Saturday.
Would have liked to have picked the car up today as it was sunny so I could have checked the paint out.
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I agree with Alanho.
If a spray painter doesn't have a scanner (or better known as a paint spectrometer), then they are just guessing if they don't apply paint coded. Blending is an old way of doing a spray job and most modern panelbeaters will only do this when a code is not available. (I experianced this recently when trying to get some work done on my motorbike)
Note, old paint is harder to match, due to fade. Plastic is hard to match because a spectrometer can't read on plastic. A good spray painter can get around this.
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Still waiting for the phone call to say the badges have arrived/fitted and ready to pick up.
You would have thought after all the messing about that they would have got the badges sooner - sounds like such a lame excuse to delay you picking it up. Perhaps they have just seen this forum and have rushed out to check for over-spray or something... :whistler:
Picking up tomorrow am, Saturday.
Would have liked to have picked the car up today as it was sunny so I could have checked the paint out.
Good luck ............................................
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Fingers crossed ... :sweating:
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We are all on count down - the STOP PRESS news should arrive soon................... :whistler:
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Are we all holding our breaths? (& no, I don't have a lithsp).
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Well anticipated db08 & yes I am, for you. :neutral:
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Lester must have gone for the newspaper on his way back from the so-called "repairers" :whistler:
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C'mon Lester we're all on the edge of our seats here at the club ??????????
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Lester must have gone for the newspaper on his way back from the so-called "repairers" :whistler:
Buhahahaha :rofl:
Cruel, but probably correct :lol:
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As long as it wasn't before the "repairers". :beer:
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foot tap
foot tap
foot tap :whistler: :whistler: :whistler:
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Ok picked the car up and yes it looks as if they have got the paint correct this time. The sun came out while I was at the repairers and this time the paint does have flexs in it and it does match the rest of the car BUT...................
Called at the Hy dealers on the way home and the techi had a good look for me.
He pointed out 3 things that I need to have a word about. Yes only 3 .......phew
1 is minor and may have to leave as it is but he did say the other 2 - gap around the light, which I've mentioned on numerous occasions, where it meets the grill and the gap between the bonnet and grill didn't look quite right.
In his opinion the bumper needs to be "lifted" and this would hopefully sort these 2 out.
Edit: Just checked the bonnet to grill gap against the tollerance chart I was provided with last time. The gap is greater than the tollerance shown.
So roll on Monday........................
While at the Hy dealer I checked out the new i30.
It does look better in the flesh. Had a good look at one and yes Hy have raised their game with this car.
Bit disappointed that the base model - Classic - has steel wheels not the alloys.
As the car isn't launched until Monday I couldn't have a test drive but they are having an open weekend next Saturday/Sunday so if I'm free I'll be down for a test drive. If I can't make these day the car is going in for a replacement rear window the following week so I'll arrange one then.
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At least they got the paint right - but sorry you are still not finished with this bodyshop.
Our local Hyundai dealership had their open week-end today and tomorrow. I currently have the 1.6 CRDi Active to try out and either later today or tomorrow I will have use of the 1.4 petrol Classic for comparison. Unfortunately they don't have any Style demo cars at present so I have not been able to try the car with 16" rims (YET). Until I do - I cannot make an informed decision on cabin noise.
I am sure you will enjoy a test drive and recognise how much more refined the car is.
More anon
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I'm glad the major part (paint) is all fixed now. :goodjob2:
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i don't know wether to congratulate you on the cars repairs or not Lester,the saga continues. :disapp:
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I agree with Alanho.
If a spray painter doesn't have a scanner (or better known as a paint spectrometer), then they are just guessing if they don't apply paint coded. Blending is an old way of doing a spray job and most modern panelbeaters will only do this when a code is not available. (I experianced this recently when trying to get some work done on my motorbike)
Note, old paint is harder to match, due to fade. Plastic is hard to match because a spectrometer can't read on plastic. A good spray painter can get around this.
I am going to disagree a little bit here, "blending" is still used by modern paints shops, perhaps the definition of it has changed?
In my opinion blending is what they do to a panel which is not getting fully sprayed and it is like a flick of the gun towards the area which is not getting painted which takes away the obvious line between the newly painted area and the original area. The flick takes the paint "thickness" away, so you get an even coat on the repaired area, lightening towards the original area thereby blending the two areas together.
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Update:
Insurance co rang today and asked whether I was happy.
Guess the answer......
They are making arrangements for an assessor to come to the house to review the job.
Just another little problem has developed which would cause the car to fail an MOT - the water jet on the drivers side does not reach the window. the passenger side isn't to good either but it does sort of get as far as the window. Holes clear and it looks as if the jet is hiting the edge of the bonnet. The jets are not adjustable so I wonder how this will be sorted.
PS while they were on I requested and lodged a formal complaint.
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oooh Noooo - what a saga. It would make a good TV series.
So sorry to read of the ongoing story - hopefully the assessor is from independent loss adjusters who can make an unbiased judgement. I assume you have a detailed paper trail of all the events to show him or her - so that he or she appreciates all that has happened.
In the interests of compliance with the sex discrimination, Age discimination, Race Discrimination etc acts, I should point out that my reference to him or her is not intended to show gender preference because of the order in which they are stated. It matters not whether it is a big breasted young black female jewish gay blonde or a flat chested old white male christian straight person who comes - or indeed any permutaion of the above qualities, provided they find in favour of eye30.
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Hopefully this guy will have the clout to get things sorted once and for all..... you deserve punative damages for this lot. <sigh>
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you deserve punative damages for this lot. <sigh>
I don't think he wants any more damages.. The last lot is taking some fixing :rofl:
I'm starting to get annoyed with the insurance company now (they seem as useless as the repairers for letting this go on so long) :undecided:
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In the interests of compliance with the sex discrimination, Age discimination, Race Discrimination etc acts, I should point out that my reference to him or her is not intended to show gender preference because of the order in which they are stated. It matters not whether it is a big breasted young black female jewish gay blonde or a flat chested old white male christian straight person who comes - or indeed any permutaion of the above qualities, provided they find in favour of eye30.
Careful AlanHo the Discrimination Act Oct. 2012 states -
Any thoughts or comments, written or verbal, designed to support any point of view to the detriment of any other point of view will be deemed to be prejudice. In law, as in life, it's not the winning but the taking part that counts. Maximum penalty 200 hours Reality TV.
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Guess who won't be re-insuring with this bunch of amateurs. :fum:
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This has not finished yet.......................
The insurance co assessor call out today to look at the car.
Took details of the items I've mentioned previously plus a new one I noticed since Sunday - the paint which has been redone and the original wing and doors which have been "blended" has a "milky" tone to it. As you move towards the rear of the car the paint become "clear" and shines.
He agrees that this is not right and will be reporting back.
So the saga continues........
ps the complaints dept have been in touch and are now waiting on the assessors report. Once they have this they will be in touch again to "resolve" this claim.
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OMG - the never ending story... :disapp: :disapp:
What have you done to deserve this.. :question:
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What an absolute shambles.
I feel for you - but I can only imagine that the saga is now so ridiculous you must by now have become immune to pain and frustration. I know I would.
Stick with it - sooner or later the story will end "and they all lived happily ever after"
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:disapp: If this story wasn't posted on this site (and by Lester) you would never believe it ..
In the days of the Wild West these guys would have been run out of town, or strung up :evil:
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:disapp: If this story wasn't posted on this site (and by Lester) you would never believe it ..
In the days of the Wild West these guys would have been run out of town, or strung up :evil:
Imagine what would have happened in Scotland in days gone by.......... :lol:
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If this were my car, I would be consulting with your dealer. Have them suggest their preferred repairer and insist that the insurer send the car there. As well, the new repairer should be told about the "shambles" that has already occurred. They would then be given the opportunity to uphold the dealer's confidence in them, by providing you with the service you deserve. The insurer should be prepared to make whatever exceptions are required. The car should not be returned to these other morons who obviously can't do the job correctly. :neutral:
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UPDATE
The insurance assessor and the "boss" from the repair paint shop came to view the car this morning.
The "boss" agreed the paint wasn't right and said that it appeared to be an issue with the top coat as the actual colour was a match. (I'm happy with the colour match and said so).
Agreed that there was a "milky" finish and said this was due to an issue with the varnish application.
The other minor issues were discussed.
With it being Easter they are having it in in 2 weeks, after the Easter holidays.
I've agreed to let them have another go but if it is not right after this then ..................................Lets wait and see as they know I'm not going to let this drop....
End of Part 3,999,876,543 :winker:
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UPDATE
The insurance assessor and the "boss" from the repair paint shop came to view the car this morning.
The "boss" agreed the paint wasn't right and said that it appeared to be an issue with the top coat as the actual colour was a match. (I'm happy with the colour match and said so).
Agreed that there was a "milky" finish and said this was due to an issue with the varnish application.
The other minor issues were discussed.
With it being Easter they are having it in in 2 weeks, after the Easter holidays.
I've agreed to let them have another go but if it is not right after this then ..................................Lets wait and see as they know I'm not going to let this drop....
End of Part 3,999,876,543 :winker:
You could and should get nominated as a candidate for 2 Nobel awards - the Nobel Ultimate Patience award and the Nobel Persistence Against the Odds award. There are few who would have put up with this saga - some would have gone the small claims court route and others would have shrugged and accepted a shoddy job after running out of steam.
My fingers are crossed that the stumblebums you are having to deal with get it right next time. I assume that you still have use of a courtesy car at the third party insurers expense - I do hope so.
I would be arguing for a premium discount from my present insurer to compensate for the weeks you have not had your car on the road - they are not exposed to full risks whilst your car isnt being used and the courtesy car should be covered by the thrid party insurer who have presided over such an almighty cock-up.
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Currently have my own car since I picked it up, was that 3 weeks ago. Who can remember as I can't as so many things have happened or not in this case, since 12 November 2011..
They will give me a loan car when they take it in.
From what the insurance co have told me all this work, last repaint, this new work and the 2 periods of the loan car is done at their expense.
I've told the insurance co that last week I had a valuation and was just offered "bottom" book as P/X against a new car.
I won't repeat what they said but I've told them that I'm expecting the cars valuation to be at "top" book when it is finally sorted.
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the milky appearance can be due to a drop of temperature or moisture contamination in one of the final coats of clear. (like what happens when a hot cup is put on a varnished table)... i once had a repair that i rejected 5 times before they got it right.. coming from the paint industry (albeit house paint) i had a good eye for colour uniformity... they tried to trick me by delivering the car to me fresh from the wash bay and not chamoised but shame i could put my little finger between the bumper and the back of the car so back it went lol.... very best of luck eye30 hope they put their top painter on the job...
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i rejected 5 times before they got it right..
I'm upto 2 so only 3 to go.......
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the milky appearance can be due to a drop of temperature or moisture contamination in one of the final coats of clear.
I was told that by a friend of a friend in the trade but I didn't show my hand until the "boss" mentioned it first.
I feel he has a handle on this now so fingers crossed it WILL be correctly done but I'll be giving it a good going over when they return it...
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The way things are going it will have so many coats of paint the economy will be effected by the extra weight :sweating:
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eye30,
Do you have your paper delivered now :question:
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eye30,
Do you have your paper delivered now :question:
So cruel.
Correct, but cruel :lol:
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The way things are going it will have so many coats of paint the economy will be effected by the extra weight :sweating:
It's the extra wait he is more concerned about................... :whistler:
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eye30,
Do you have your paper delivered now :question:
I've started to walk but I'm finding the news is a day old by the time I get back home... :happydance: :wacko:
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The way things are going it will have so many coats of paint the economy will be effected by the extra weight :sweating:
But at least I won't need to worry about rust will I.... :rofl: