Post by: Dazzler on June 01, 2008, 10:24:22
Have been several threads on H-F and here (somewhere) about what oils to use in the i30 (mainly the diesel). It's something Lakes in particular seems to revel in...
I was doing some retail therapy in Supercheap today and decided to buy some oil for my 7500km interim service (only 1500km away - 2 or 3 weeks?)
Looked at Mobil 1 (around $65) Shell Helix Ultra (around $56) settled on Castrol EDGE sport 5W - 30 (Just under $50) had to spend another $13.95 on another litre as i30 Diesel takes around 5.3 litres I believe. All these oils are fully Synthetic and suitable for diesels with particulate filter as far as I can understand.
I've decided to get my friendly local qualified service centre guys to do the interim service with this oil and genuine Hyundai oil filter at 7,500km and then get the 15,000 service done by the Dealer (with my own oil)
Not very exciting but there you go!
Post by: Lakes on June 01, 2008, 11:00:40
any idea on cost of oil filter and air cleaner from Hyundai? the oil filter looks like it comes apart and has a replacement elliment inside, looks a bit on the small side, but is easy enough to get at, the fuel filter looks more difficult to get at but not impossible, i look at these things as i put myself in the service staff shoe's if something looks like it's not too hard then they can enjoy there work if it looks like a pain
might me less enjoyable. everything looks easy enough to me.
Post by: eye30 on June 01, 2008, 11:35:05
See my thread re CPF in Problems and Issues.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=114 (https://i30ownersclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=114)
Called in to dealer today.
They confirmed that my car does have a CPF and need to use fully synthetic oil
I was quoted about £10 (approx $5) per litre and as the handbook quotes 5.3l = £60 ($30) i.e 6l..
Price you where quoted seems reasonable!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dazzler on June 01, 2008, 11:38:25
Post by: Lakes on June 01, 2008, 20:18:58
Post by: Lakes on June 01, 2008, 20:25:44
Post by: Lakes on June 02, 2008, 10:21:23
http://www.edwardsracingengines.com/redline.html (http://www.edwardsracingengines.com/redline.html)
Post by: Dazzler on June 02, 2008, 10:29:10
My wife says I can't have that oil (she doesn't like the shape of the bottle) :lol: (but what is so good about it)
Why would it be better than a Mobil, Shell or Castrol Product?
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: eye30 on June 02, 2008, 17:12:11
Quote from: "Lakes"
Eye i think our $ is not worth even half a pound, it was about 4% less than the US $ last week
I'm working on $2.04 -$2.09 to £1 on the UK exchange web sitelast week.
Post by: Lakes on June 02, 2008, 20:53:33
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Hey Lakes... thanks for that but...
My wife says I can't have that oil (she doesn't like the shape of the bottle) :lol: (but what is so good about it)
Why would it be better than a Mobil, Shell or Castrol Product?
Rgds,
Dazz
Dazz, with me add's don't impress me, i go from first hand experience, took a long time for me to be convinced synthetic oil was better, but not all synthetic oil's are the same.
i now use that Redline Oil in my Harley, and use the heavy shock proof gear oil in the gear box ( lasts for good )
but i don't use it in the ute as too expencive and i do too many k's in the ute.
in the bike i only change it once a year and i rev that motor hard.
i saw how well it worked in race motors, i got to inspect a motor that had ran on it and was impressed. as no wear at top of the rod were it hooks up to the piston, i have seen other synthetic oil cause wear in that area at thats were you motor gets hot! also this motor had been runing very high valve seat pressure as is a high reving race motor and normally runing high valve seat pressure will put more wear and tear on parts but they all looked good.
they say that redline use a very high quality polyester, and just about all Nitro burning Top Fuel motors here in Australia use redline oil those motors only last one quarter of a mile, if you use the wrong oil they don't last one second ( true) Nitro put's the highest shock load of any motor so needs very good oil, if they all use it it say's something. but unless they make oil that meets the Standard in the owners manual i won't use it, as the standard is there for a reason. it's not just use synthetic oil it is a special standard synthetic oil, but i have to get out and ask my oil supplier.
Post by: Dazzler on June 02, 2008, 22:50:54
Well explained...
Cheers,
Dazz
Post by: Lakes on June 03, 2008, 11:11:18
http://www.worldsbestdieseloil.com/european-5w40.php (http://www.worldsbestdieseloil.com/european-5w40.php)
Post by: Dazzler on June 03, 2008, 11:41:59
Member Wombat is a bit shy but he seems to know his oils.... He's been telling me on the quiet for a while I need to find a smokeless synthetic oil (apparently castrol only makes their "Professional" branded rang in bulk drums) he's also doing some research for appropriate oils...
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: toxxic on June 03, 2008, 12:17:47
The i30 (with its DPF - Diesel Particulate Filter) should take a synthetic "low ash" oil, such as mobil 1 ESP (emssion system proection), what sort of viscosity do hyundai recommend?
We use a M1 ESP 5w30 in all brand new diesel mercs with DPF's at work.
Post by: Dazzler on June 03, 2008, 12:25:10
A 5W 30 is in the range recommended (especially for cooler places such as Tas) good for economy too...
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: toxxic on June 03, 2008, 12:50:30
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Hi Toxxic
A 5W 30 is in the range recommended (especially for cooler places such as Tas) good for economy too...
Rgds,
Dazz
Thought so, Ill chick some in tomorow at work I think, Anyone know the RRP on a i30 hyundai oil filter element? Looks very easy too get too!
Post by: Lakes on June 03, 2008, 20:57:36
Quote from: "toxxic"
http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_Formula_5W-30.asp
The i30 (with its DPF - Diesel Particulate Filter) should take a synthetic "low ash" oil, such as mobil 1 ESP (emssion system proection), what sort of viscosity do hyundai recommend?
We use a M1 ESP 5w30 in all brand new diesel mercs with DPF's at work.
Hey Toxic thank's for your input m8. MB puzzle me with what i'm told by friends that own them all diesels but my Sister has a new 200 kompressor ( new model out ) one guy with a MB turbo diesel common rail 2.2 tell's me MB state that if he does not use a special castrol oil he voids his warranty?
Post by: Dazzler on June 03, 2008, 22:42:36
The way I understand it the brand shouldn't matter as long as it's fully synthetic and smokeless (otherwise in time it clogs the particulate filter and these are very expensive - so i've been told)
I will email Hyundai Australia and see if they can supply a list of suitable oils and also ask at the local dealers parts counter what oil they sell for our model if I get near there in the next couple of days (there might be a Hyundai badged smokeless synthetic oil just sitting on the shelf) or have we already done this....
Cheers,
Dazz
Post by: toxxic on June 04, 2008, 08:53:01
Quote from: "Lakes"
Hey Toxic thank's for your input m8. MB puzzle me with what i'm told by friends that own them all diesels but my Sister has a new 200 kompressor ( new model out ) one guy with a MB turbo diesel common rail 2.2 tell's me MB state that if he does not use a special castrol oil he voids his warranty?
Suprised that they told him castrol as mobil is the prefured suplier of lubraicants to mercedes... I can tell you now all new MB diesels will use a low ash syntheic oil such as mobil 1 esp, the era before euro 4 (anything upto ~07 i think) used a standard oil, as DPF's were not mandatory in anything below a euro 3 emssions rating.
MB will decline a warranty request for not having clear writing on the forms... they are very tight (most manufacturers these days are), a brand new c220 CDI (im guessing you meant a c220 as there is no c200 diesels) will use a mobil 1 ESP 5w30 oil. Same engine a vito van which i work on everyday, they are decent motors!
Best idea is to ring up the dealer it was purchased from/is serviced at and ask them what they put in as you dont know what you will get mixing these new age syntheic oils between manufacturers... But i would guess they will tell you exactly what i have told you.
If you need any filters, parts or info etc for ya mercs just pm me (especially in the diesel range)
Post by: Lakes on June 04, 2008, 21:14:24
now take a look at the pic's of Thumpers pipe and read wha he say's, the pipe people he went to say he has a CPF m8? i'm almost 100% sure what i looked at up the front of my system just after the flex pipe i'm sure that is a CPF i see as it look just like a Cat converter that an unlead petrol car uses. you are confusing people m8 now turbo 1600 thinks he can use mineral base oil. better ask Hyundai again and check it's someone that knows what they are talking about that answers your question.
Post by: Dazzler on June 04, 2008, 23:56:59
I just sent this back to the rep who gave me the info...
"Thanks Nick,
Our more technical members don't believe the Aussie i30 doesn't have a CPF as there is a canister shaped object in front of the muffler on the exhaust and several members have been told by "so called experts" that this is a CPF could you please advise what this is so I can convince these members you are right and they are wrong...! They are most concerned at using the wrong oil and damaging their much loved i30 or voiding their warranty...
Sorry!"
Only took a day for a reply last time so lets see what they say.
Hope I haven't offended anyone with the wording of my email... Thought that was the best way to get the message across to them as to why we are questioning their info.
I sent the first email because I was getting frustrated with the lack of official info on this matter. I was in no way doubting Thumper and it certainly looks like a catalyst converter or CPF but I don't want to chase around for this smokeless oil (and probably pay extra) if it's not required. The fully synthetic stuff is dear enough!
Regards,
Dazz (still smilin...)
Post by: Dazzler on June 05, 2008, 03:18:42
I've also rung the service manager at the local Dealer (he was busy) but will investigate. He knew if it had a CPF that it would need low ash oil but off the top of his head wasn't sure if the i30 did or not. He will also investigate and ring me back!
Think we are getting closer to a definitive answer now!
Cheers,
Dazz
Post by: TheBunyip on June 05, 2008, 07:08:55
Is it possible that the apparent confusion arises from the differences between a CPF and a DPF.
DPFs are well established technology used by most if not all manufacturers today if they sell into Europe in order to meet Euro4 criteria. I would be astounded if Hyundai would drop the use of the filter in Australia.
CPFs are not yet in serious use from what I have seen.
Post by: Dazzler on June 05, 2008, 09:34:16
Thanks for your input (I was really hoping you were right as it would make life a bit less complicated)
But after some searching it seems to me they are the same thing!
CPF = Catalyzed diesel particulate filter
DPF = Diesel particulate filter
I could be wrong but that seems to be where my google search led me!
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: Lakes on June 05, 2008, 10:29:55
cheers m8
Post by: Dazzler on June 05, 2008, 11:01:05
Post by: Thumper on June 05, 2008, 11:52:38
I read the links shown before about Diesel PF's (Can't remember what thread it was on here) explaining all different types of filters, and to me, it looks like we do in fact have some form of Particulate filter on our i30's.
Issue is, which one is it?
I also would like to know so I can purchase the correct oil, to not void the warranty.
Again, I'm not here to cause any problems/issues with anyone on here. :)
Post by: Dazzler on June 05, 2008, 12:39:12
You have made a huge contribution to this site and as you say the canister sure looks like a CPF or DPF.
I've just been getting frustrated that even the owner's manual doesn't actually say equivocally (Good word :lol: that service Manager didn't know if Aus i30 had CPF or not! (still waiting for him to call with result of his enquiry) He didn't have an i30 nearby he could stick on the hoist (and was busy with some vistors)
Will let everyone know when I get more info from Hyundai or the Dealer. I've got my supercheap receipt in a safe place in case I've got to do an exchange!
Maybe bob could find out if that real expensive oil his dealer puts in is "low ash"
Rgds,
Dazz
Post by: ouri30 on June 05, 2008, 12:45:00
Dazz, thanks for enquiring and hopefully finally we will get a definitive answer from someone (or several someones) so that we will know once and for all.
Bob
Post by: Dazzler on June 05, 2008, 12:53:54
Post by: TheBunyip on June 05, 2008, 16:06:41
Because Peugeot were keen to ensure that the DPF they developed would not be contaminated by ash from the oil they got Total to develop a synthetic oil specifically for use in their Diesels. It is now the only oil for my Mazda3.
The term DPF seems to have come into use when early simple "Soot Filters" were first on the scene.
The term CPF seems to refer to the fact that lots of modern Filters use a Catalyst to help burn off the accumulated particulate matter from time to time.
However there is another type of Catalyst used for reducing or eliminating Nitrous Oxides and Carbon Monoxide. I have seen reference to Diesel filters which use a Catalyst to do battle with these emissions being developed (for the North American market?). California started a trend which tries to subject all fuels to the same emission criteria rather than the slightly more practical but less stringent Euro system.
The boys at Hyundai like everyone else have been researching this field for some time.
see.. http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200413/000020041304A0428023.php
and ..http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/04/rhodia-launches.html#more
and...http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/04/mazda-wins-awar.html#more
It seems to me that we might gain a lot by asking Hyundai for some help. Another thread is getting excited about a butterfly in the inlet manifold. Could it be that Kia Cee'd drivers who have the same Diesel engine would also be interested in joining an approach trying to persuade the manufacturer to publish an enthusiasts description for this new CRDi diesel. After all I am sure that the competition will have long finished stripping down and studying this new machine so there will be nothing gained by keeping quiet about it.
Failing that how about asking if one of the Hyundai tech Trainers would like to drop in here and put us out of our misery now and again. In my total ignorance I have been wondering if a certain replacement sports muffler mod (Yes you know who) might cause a problem for the CPF/DPF by reducing that "back Pressure". Would the change have any impact on the operation or life of the filter and so reduce the value of the currently impressive gains. I have'nt a clue but would love to know what Hyundai's German Design Engineers think. Unlike some I keep my cars for a very long time so reliability and TCO are high on my list.
If local dealers and others in the Hyundai family are unsure what filter is actually fitted I guess they should be interested too so they can answer questions from customers such as those who appear on this forum. Is it safe to presume that the service techs will have had good training that has not been simplified for the sales staff?
I shall just have to keep an eye on this thread to see what you come up with.
Post by: Lakes on June 05, 2008, 19:53:37
Quote from: "TheBunyip"
A bit more digging into the background..
Because Peugeot were keen to ensure that the DPF they developed would not be contaminated by ash from the oil they got Total to develop a synthetic oil specifically for use in their Diesels. It is now the only oil for my Mazda3.
The term DPF seems to have come into use when early simple "Soot Filters" were first on the scene.
The term CPF seems to refer to the fact that lots of modern Filters use a Catalyst to help burn off the accumulated particulate matter from time to time.
However there is another type of Catalyst used for reducing or eliminating Nitrous Oxides and Carbon Monoxide. I have seen reference to Diesel filters which use a Catalyst to do battle with these emissions being developed (for the North American market?). California started a trend which tries to subject all fuels to the same emission criteria rather than the slightly more practical but less stringent Euro system.
The boys at Hyundai like everyone else have been researching this field for some time.
see.. http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200413/000020041304A0428023.php
and ..http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/04/rhodia-launches.html#more
and...http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/04/mazda-wins-awar.html#more
It seems to me that we might gain a lot by asking Hyundai for some help. Another thread is getting excited about a butterfly in the inlet manifold. Could it be that Kia Cee'd drivers who have the same Diesel engine would also be interested in joining an approach trying to persuade the manufacturer to publish an enthusiasts description for this new CRDi diesel. After all I am sure that the competition will have long finished stripping down and studying this new machine so there will be nothing gained by keeping quiet about it.
Failing that how about asking if one of the Hyundai tech Trainers would like to drop in here and put us out of our misery now and again. In my total ignorance I have been wondering if a certain replacement sports muffler mod (Yes you know who) might cause a problem for the CPF/DPF by reducing that "back Pressure". Would the change have any impact on the operation or life of the filter and so reduce the value of the currently impressive gains. I have'nt a clue but would love to know what Hyundai's German Design Engineers think. Unlike some I keep my cars for a very long time so reliability and TCO are high on my list.
If local dealers and others in the Hyundai family are unsure what filter is actually fitted I guess they should be interested too so they can answer questions from customers such as those who appear on this forum. Is it safe to presume that the service techs will have had good training that has not been simplified for the sales staff?
I shall just have to keep an eye on this thread to see what you come up with.
Good one Bunyip, hey i found a friend has those Michelin Tyres you told us about on his Mazda he likes them, also found an outlet here that sell's them. but for the time being the kumho Tyres that came with my car seem fine, roll smooth and as it has rained here this past week i have got to do some wet weather testing, they seem ok to me, but if i have a problem i'll replace with a set of those Michelin , thanks again.
Post by: i30manUK on June 06, 2008, 16:45:13
I just got off the phone to Hyundai Customer Services in the UK and my 2.0 diesel engine has a CPF, so I can confirm what eye30 has been told about UK cars.
Post by: eye30 on June 06, 2008, 21:03:25
I was thinking that I had the only i30 with CPF (See other postings especially those from OZ).
Oil expensive - Dealer quoted £10.00 per litre so hoping I don't need to buy any between services.
Post by: Dazzler on June 06, 2008, 22:57:26
Post by: echocae on June 10, 2008, 08:17:00
Post by: Dazzler on June 10, 2008, 10:17:48
Here is a PDF of recommended oils (direct from Hyundai Auystralia)
Australian i30's DO NOT have a DPF or CPF...
http://www.aouq23.dsl.pipex.com/I30_OIL_.pdf (http://www.aouq23.dsl.pipex.com/I30_OIL_.pdf)
Cheers,
Dazz
Post by: TheBunyip on June 10, 2008, 10:35:46
If you supply your own Oil for a service you can save money. Halfrauds can supply but are not always the best buy.
A good Synthetic Low Ash Oil for the CDRi will always be at the top of the cost range. (For my Mazda3 £60 from a dealer. £40.00 from Online Lubricants)
Two mail order suppliers to consider are:
1. Opie Oils who supply lots of Car Clubs. (Is there a UK Hyundai Club that could help?) see.. http://www.opieoils.co.uk/default.aspx
2. Online Lubricants is the distributor for Total Oils. (I would email Total Customer services from their web site to ask for their suggestion for the Hyundai CRDi. Total have done a lot of research into Oils for use with Diesel particulate filters. http://www.online-lubricants.co.uk/totalpage2b.htm
Post by: eye30 on June 10, 2008, 19:09:52
Post by: Shambles on June 10, 2008, 19:20:59
Post by: Dazzler on June 11, 2008, 00:20:06
Local Service Manager not sure (and didn't volunteer to check....) :lol: as when the guy in parts found out how scarce they were he asked how often do you have to change them!!!!! and he works in the parts department
Cheers,
Dazz