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GENERAL STUFF => TEST DRIVES & TESTIMONIALS => Topic started by: AlanHo on April 08, 2012, 17:28:12

Title: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 08, 2012, 17:28:12
FIRST IMPRESSIONS


NEW HYUNDAI i30 STYLE 1.6 CRDi 128PS BLUE DRIVE 6 Spd Manual Hatch

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PREAMBLE

I have now enjoyed a few days with my new car which is finished in sleek silver.  As you can deduce from the above photo showing my new car parked alongside my previous i30 – I like silver cars.

I ordered it complete with the following OEM accessories :-
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i30 Carpet mats front and rear

Boot mat (carpet/rubber reversible sides)

Mudflaps

Aluminium sill guards

Different Tyres




Living Up To Expectations

Having now lived with the car for a few days I have had no significant disappointments and it has fully lived up to my expectations. As many members of the forum are aware, I have already enjoyed the benefit of extensive road and track tests of the new model – so I was aware of what to expect. This thread is a summary of my thoughts to date - which concentrate on those areas where the new car differs from the previous model.

My thoughts are not in any particular order – just what popped into my head as I sat at the keyboard.  Please note that my new car is the Style version and has more features than the Classic or Active models. Also that my previous i30 was the top of the range Premium version on which I base my comparisons.

Throughout this report where there are photos – those on the right of the page are usually the previous model and those on the left are of my new 2012 car.

I expect that the first thing you want to know about is “How does it drive”.

I will come to that in a minute…………………………….but first……


MAKING AN IMPRESSION

I was one of the early customers for the new model in the UK West Midlands – only 5 of the new cars have been delivered by my dealership so far – but they have a healthy quantity on back-order with the Nosovice factory.

Because of this, the novelty and striking appearance of the new car on the road has proved to be a head turner.

Some neighbours and several people in places where I have parked the car have questioned me about it and some have expressed agreeable surprise that it is a Hyundai.
Notably, one man whom I met on a supermarket car park yesterday, was so enthused that he asked me for the location of the Hyundai dealership because it so happens he has had problems with his 2 year old Astra and is looking to replace it. I gave him my card and wrote the details of the dealership on the back asking him to show it to the salesman when he visits. I was not being altruistic – I will get £50 from the dealership for any introduction that results in a sale.


CREATURE COMFORTS AND THINGS TO FIDDLE WITH

Getting Comfy

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The wheelbase of the new model is the same as previous but the new car is a few mm longer and wider – but with slightly reduced overall height. Better packaging of the drive train and other components have produced increased cabin and luggage space.

The cabin has proved to be comfortable and feels much more spacious than the old model – even though it has grown by only a few millimetres in each direction.  There is definitely more headroom in both the front and back.

I always found the seats in the previous car most comfortable and the new ones don’t feel any different. It’s a pity they don’t offer the option of seat height adjustment on the passenger seat – it would remove the only criticism my wife has yet found with the car. The passenger seat is fastened down by a bolt under each corner – I may well get round to fitting spacers under the seat brackets to raise the seat height by a few centimetres.







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Leg room front and rear is as generous as the previous model – and rear seat comfort is enhanced by the floor tunnel now being only 5cm high which makes the middle seat leg space more comfortable. In addition, it is now much easier for rear passengers to enter via the nearside door and slide across the seats













Things To Prod And Peer At

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The instrumentation and controls are all ergonomically located. My only gripe – is that the instant fuel economy trip is shown as a moving horizontal bar rather than numerical digits. Hyundai have compounded this by limiting the display to a maximum of 50 mpg – whereas the car is capable of much higher economy figures.


The computer trip button is now in a much more sensible place – on the steering wheel rather than hidden behind it on the front of the dash as in the previous model.









Pressing the trip button for less than a second toggles the display as follows :-
•   Tripmeter A distance
•   Tripmeter B distance (Not on my previous i30)
•   Distance to Empty
•   Average fuel consumption
•   Instant fuel consumption (bar display limited to 50 mpg)
•   Average speed
•   Elapsed time (not on my previous i30). This is the total driving time since the last time reset. The driving time appears to keep going only whilst the engine is running and pauses when the engine is off.
•   User setting.
To zero any trip value - you hold down the Reset button for a couple of seconds for the selected display.

The User setting mode enables you to select options for :-
•   Auto door lock
•   Auto door unlock
•   Headlamp delay
•   Auto triple turn indicator flashes
•   Average fuel economy reset (select either manual reset – or auto reset when more than 6 litres of fuel is added)
•   Temperature units
•   Eco driving
•   Language.

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The steering wheel has a full complement of buttons for the audio, phone, cruise, speed limiter, trip computer and steering mode. They are all nicely located and easy to operate without taking your eyes off the road.

The stalk controls mounted on the steering column function exactly the same as the previous model. This is good for those of us with a short memory and I have had no problems with the windscreen wipers inadvertently coming on when I actually intended to use the turn indicators - or vice versa.

A slight disappointment is that the turn indicator audio clicker, like the previous model, is not loud enough for me. My wife has no problem reminding me the indicators are still on – so people with better hearing than mine might argue that it is fine.


I considered that on my previous i30 the steering wheel had to be turned through too big an angle for the turn indicators to be automatically tripped – the new car seems much better in this respect.


The Owner’s Manual tells me that the power outlets in the cabin and luggage compartment are limited to being used for devices that draw less the 10 amps at 12 volts. By inference – phone and sat-nav power supplies should be OK. Unlike my previous car – the new car is not provided with a cigarette lighter or an ashtray. A very sensible idea.

My previous car had single zone climate control. The new car has dual zone. I am not yet able to say whether the dual zone climate control performs as well as other cars I have owned – I can see no reason why not – but the weather has so far not asked too much of the system. What I do like (similar to my previous Audi cars) is the fact that my wife can again now constantly fiddle with the temperature on her side of the car without theoretically affecting mine.  Bliss…………….

The speedometer in my previous car was dead accurate at all speeds compared with my Sat-nav display  – however, the new car is not. The speedometer is 8% fast at 30 mph (50 km/h) and 7% fast at 70 mph ( 112 km/h).

Using the kilometre boards on the motorway, I have determined that the odometer is 1.8 % slow. That is – if the odometer registers a distance of 100 miles – the car has actually travelled 101.8 miles. I imagine that this will affect the accuracy of the trip recorder economy figures.

Taking The Reins

The steering wheel has tilt (as before) and reach (new feature) adjustments which have enabled me to get it into a comfortable position with an uninterrupted view of the instruments. The steering mode button on the steering wheel allows you to select one of three power assist settings.




The manual gear change is the same gate arrangement as the previous model with a button under the shift lever knob to access reverse. The smoothness of gear changes is much improved compared with the previous model – my previous i30 was very notchy especially on 1st and 2nd. The new car is very smooth. (Equal to the Golf - not quite as good as the  Focus but heaps better than the Astra and Mazda 3 cars I have tried).

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Pedal spacing feels about the same as the previous car with which I am happy. Note that  the new car has an organ type accelerator pedal.  The recent road test of the car in the UK Autocar magazine mentions that “the distance between brake and accelerator might make heel and toe changes difficult”.
I don’t bother with heel and toe stuff – why does anyone nowadays - when the synchromesh and gear changes are so smooth on both upshift and downshift between the gears.










Your Bits And Pieces

Cabin stowage is more generous than the previous car :-

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Front door pockets are 3 cm wider at the front end x 16 cm longer and now incorporate a bottle holder














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The rear door pockets are longer and now wide enough for a small bottle












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The storage area in front of the gear stick is much bigger at 16 cm wide x 22 cm deep x 14 cm tall at the front falling to 8 cm tall at the rear. However, missing from the new car is the small cubby with a drop down door and the ashtray which were both fitted on the previous model just below the climate controls.













Entertainment & Communications

I have yet to spend much time fiddling with the Audio system or the voice enabled Mobile phone Bluetooth, hence I cannot comment on these features – other than that the sound quality is excellent but the radio stations still broadcast the same thumping pop music and other rubbish. I know from the Silverstone demo that the voice enabled system is impressive and caters well with all sorts of accents – so my Australian and Scots friends will probably be able to use it. Us brummies speak posh so we will definitely have no problems.

The owner’s manual devotes 51 pages to the audio equipment which indicates it will be a fairly steep learning curve for me and possibly others. My bedtime reading will have to change. I will have to put my Kindle away and instead study the i30 Owners Manual in instalments. I am in no hurry to get stuck into this marathon because I know enough to make basic use of the radio and USB link without any difficulty.

Regarding my mobile phone – I rarely use it in the car but for the time being  will continue to use it in conjunction with the Bluetooth on my Garmin sat-nav.

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Incidentally, having mentioned sat-nav, the steeply raked windscreen means that if one is mounted on the screen, it could be a long reach from the driving seat. However, the top surface of the dashboard in the centre of the car is virtually flat which made it easy to fit a self-adhesive disc for the sat-nav sucker mount.

For me, this is the ideal position – visibly just below the bottom edge of the windscreen, easy to reach, and can be seen without taking your eyes too far off the road ahead. It is also visible and within easy reach of a passenger which can be useful. Those concerned that the use of a self-adhesive disc will damage the dash surface need have no fear – mine was removed easily and without any damage from all my previous cars by judicious use of a hair dryer to soften the adhesive.












Look Out

On my new car all 4 side windows have one touch auto up and down – my previous i30 had just auto down on only the front windows. 

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The windscreen is more steeply raked on the new car - the bottom of the screen is further away from the driver and the top of the screen nearer than the previous model.


This makes the A pillar more noticeable at and above eye level - but does not appear to increase the blind spot area at any elevation that matters.








I also feel that over-the-shoulder vision is not quite as good as the previous model and I find myself being more careful at angled intersections.

What is missing on the new car is an auto dipping rear view mirror which I had on the previous one.  This is not listed as an option for any version.



STOP AND GO

Idle Stop & Go

My car is fitted with the blue drive fuel economy system which includes ISG (Idle Stop & Go), a more durable starter motor and an advanced energy recovery alternator.

The engine stops when the car comes to a standstill and is put into neutral. It restarts as soon as you depress the clutch to engage 1st gear. I anticipated that I would find this feature irritating, but I think I am going to like it. The engine noise is so well insulated that it is difficult to hear it stop and start anyway – and if it saves me some fuel - I am all for it. 

To avoid the engine stopping and starting repeatedly when crawling in traffic the car must reach a speed of roughly 10 km/hr since the last idle stop for it to operate. I suppose this is a necessary limitation - but rather defeats the intention of the ISG system to reduce emmissions in urban stop-go conditions.

The ISG feature will not stop the engine under certain conditions - including - when the aircon or climate control is at a high setting, the defroster is on or the battery is in a low state of charge. The ISG feature can be deactivated via a button on the dashboard.

Engine Starting

Regarding normal engine starting – unlike my previous i30 – you have to fully depress the clutch before turning the starter key to start the engine.

When I collected the car, I told the dealer that there was no need for the usual hand-over instruction chat. I obviously needed one - because the car wouldn’t start after I got it home - and I had quite forgotten why. A brief panic and a fumble with buttons and controls eventually revealed the need to depress the clutch. Had I have looked at the instrument cluster I would have seen a message on the display telling me to depress the clutch before starting the car. Don’t mention this to my wife – she is always banging on about us men not reading instructions or stopping for advice.

Old habits die hard – I have tried to start the car several times without remembering to depress the clutch – but I am slowly getting better by the day.

Hill Assist Control

My car is fitted with assisted hill start control (HAC). It works by holding the brakes on for a short period after you release the (foot) brake to move your foot to the accelerator. It releases the brakes just after you press the accelerator pedal. The handbrake plays no part. On an upslope it works when you pull away forwards – and on a downslope when you reverse. It sounds a bit clumsy but seems to be effective.

Emergency Stop Signal

A new feature is the Emergency Stop Signal (ESS) which alerts the driver behind by blinking the stop lights when the vehicle is braked rapidly and severely at a speed above 55 km/h. It also operates when ABS is activating. When the speed falls below 40 km/h and still braking heavily the stop lights will stop blinking and the hazard warning lights will turn on automatically. The hazard warning lights will go off after the vehicle stops then moves again at a speed above 10 km/h – or they can be switched off manually.
 
Emergency Brake Assist

The vehicle also has an Emergency Brake Assist which applies maximum braking when it detects an emergency braking situation. It responds to a sudden and hard application of the brakes by the driver – who might then not apply enough foot pressure on the brake pedal for maximum braking. I am not sure how this works and under what conditions but
Hyundai list it as one of the many new safety features on the 2012 cars.

Cruise Control and Speed Limiter

Another improvement is that the new car has cruise control with a speed limiter function as standard.

The cruise system (an option on my previous car) is the same - but the speed limiter is a new feature.

To set the maximum speed you wish to travel, you simply accelerate/decelerate to the required speed and press the speed limiting button on the steering wheel. (You can trim this speed up and down with the same plus and minus buttons on the steering wheel that are used by the cruise control).

This is not cruise control – you are still in charge of the car’s speed via the throttle - it simply prevents the car from exceeding the set speed. However -  you can beat the system by pressing hard down on the accelerator – a bit like kick down on an auto – whereupon you can exceed the set limit to your heart’s content - but a loud annoying chime will sound until you behave yourself.

The new car has clear graphic indicators in the instrument display to show when the cruise or Speed limiter are on - whereas my previous car had a dealer fit cruise control which had a small green light set into the speedo binnacle which was difficult to see in bright sunlight.

BOOT & BAGGAGE

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The rear seat folding arrangement is the same as the old model – but the rear seat backs now fold dead flat.

The rear headrests do not need be removed in order to fold the seats flat – provided that the front seats are slid not fully back or reclined too much. I am just 6 feet tall and my seat is set about three quarters back.

The luggage compartment (boot) floor is now lower, presumably due to the use of a space saver spare – this leaves a small 6 cm step up where the rear seats fold. It would not be a major DIY job to install a removable false floor to produce a completely flat luggage compartment that is level with the folded seats. This would also provide extra stowage for flat items under the whole of the rear section at the expense of a small reduction in compartment height under the parcel shelf.









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The luggage compartment is 2 cm wider x 8 cm taller to the underside of the parcel shelf compared with the previous model, but  has the same lengths front to back - with both the back seats up and folded down. The new car has a much deeper “well” measured from the luggage compartment floor to the sill of the tailgate opening. The new car is 23 cm – the previous model 10 cm – this makes lifting luggage in and out of the boot slightly more difficult.


The vertical tailgate opening is also slightly smaller by 3 cm. Perhaps the increased depth of this rear section of the chassis is to increase its stiffness and car refinement.
My wife found humping suitcases in and out of the previous car a bit of an ordeal – I am sure she will notice the new car is slightly worse in this respect during our forthcoming holiday. We are driving up to Scotland in mid-May to spend a week in a log cabin by Loch Ness. I might even have to help her with the luggage in order to conserve her strength for the cooking, cleaning, bed making etc. whilst I slave away posting on the forum. I estimate we will put about 1700 miles on the odometer of the new car in 10 days.





THROWING SOME LIGHT ON THINGS


Headlights

The halogen headlights on the new car are similar in performance to the previous model – the only real difference I have noticed is that my car is equipped with what is called static bending lights. This is an extra light in the headlight unit each side of the car set to shine at an angle to illuminate the corner you are turning into. It comes on automatically when the lights are on and you turn the steering wheel. It is speed sensitive – below a certain speed a  bigger steering wheel angle is required to switch the bending light on.  When the car is reversing, the light on the outside of the turn comes on.

Lane Change Indicators

Unlike my previous i30 – the new car has a one-touch lane change turn indicator function causing the signals to flash 3 times. This can be deactivated in the settings menu.

Lamp Changing is a DIY Lovers Dream

DIY hobbyists are going to love this car because it offers them the chance to indulge their passion for tinkering when a light bulb should require changing.

The owner’s manual tells you that to change any of the front bulbs you have to loosen the retaining screws for the front bumper located in the wheel wells, pull out both sides of the bumper and remove the headlight unit from the vehicle to access the bulbs from the rear. The same applies to the front fog lights.

Changing the tail, indicator and stop light bulbs requires removal of the tail light assembly –this appears to be relatively straightforward with the tailgate open. However, I can see a cricked neck looming if I tried it.

For the side repeater direction indicator bulb and rear high mounted stop LED replacement – it is recommended to see your dealer. 

I have not inspected the car in detail to verify the above information and to determine whether there are any shortcuts – but this is what the book says. I think I will have a chat with my friendly dealer if any of my car bulbs fail.

Daylight Running Lamps

One disappointment for our venerable DIY guys is the fact that the car is equipped with daylight running lamps – EBay are going to lose business because cheap aftermarket kits are no longer needed on this model.



BITS ON THE OUTSIDE

Aerial Paintwork

The radio antenna can be easily removed to enable you to use those automatic car wash machines that have grubby rotary brushes and muddy water to thrash dirt off the car. This will be especially welcome to those who like their car paintwork decorated with deep swirls and scratches.
 
Interestingly, the UK adverts for the new car claim that it has 14 coats of paint. Thin paintwork on the previous model has been mentioned quite a few times on the forum. Perhaps Hyundai have improved in this respect.
   
Parking Sensors – Front & Rear

My previous car had just rear parking sensors – the new one also has them at the front which is great for me because I am none too brilliant at judging the front of the car - the bonnet slopes sharply away out of sight.
 
As an aside –the manual tells me that if you pressure wash your car, you must keep the water jet away from the parking sensors in the bumpers. They can easily get damaged.

The Bonnet Struts

Perhaps a useful target for DIY guys will be to add gas struts to the bonnet – which like the previous model, is heavy and has to be manually lifted and held open by a stay rod. I am confident the forum will soon have a thread from one of our ingenious members showing us how it can be done and where to buy the gas springs from.

I Am Wheelie Pleased

I am relieved to find that unlike my previous i30, this car does not have chrome trim inserts in the wheels. Also that my new car has 16” wheels.

The 17” wheels fitted to my previous i30 made the ride too hard and cabin noise greater.

I have read in the motoring press that masochists will soon be able to specify 17” wheels as an optional extra if they have a sporting bent, deep pockets and don’t object to a firm ride and more cabin noise. They speculate that this option may be standard on the higher powered sports version of the new car later this year. 

On Reflection

Like my previous i30 – the new one is equipped with manually operated electric folding mirrors. My new car has turn indicator repeaters in the mirror housing, these were not fitted to my previous car. Automatic folding mirrors with puddle lights are a factory fit option included in the convenience pack (which also includes keyless entry & chrome exterior handles) and costs a whopping £750. I only considered this option for a millisecond or two before rejecting the idea. If my wife steps out of the car into an unlit puddle, I will take my medicine like a man.

Tyres

Although my earlier road tests of the various models had proved that the new car is a considerable improvement over the previous model for cabin noise, I arranged for the dealer to change the standard Hankook Ventus Prime 2 tyres to Continental Premium Contact 2 before I took delivery. These Continentals are generally recognised to be one of the best for quiet running.

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Tread patterns of the two brands are similar - so if there really is an improvement in noise – perhaps it is due to the differences in rubber compound.
Before making this decision I did a lot of internet research and corresponded with various tyre manufacturers. Continental advised that the Premium Contact 2 tyres are the least noisy in their range – better in this respect than their later Premium Contact 5 tyre which has been developed to provide improved tyre wear and better extreme wet grip. Continental admit that other major brands produce tyres that are as quiet – but claim that none are quieter.
I am happy to buy the less durable tyre in order to reduce cabin noise to the absolute minimum.  The car is equipped with a temporary space-saver spare wheel so only 4 new tyres were required.










Top Her Up

There is no fuel filler release in the cabin of the new car – you just press on the filler door and it springs open via a toggle latch. It can only be opened when the car doors are unlocked. It is therefore as secure as the previous car, which had a floor mounted release lever by the driver’s seat.


THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE

So now the bit you have been so patiently waiting for – how does it drive?

My answer is - as delightful and satisfying as the previous model – but somewhat different.

The car feels somehow more substantial, more cossetting and far more refined. It feels like a big car disguised in a smaller body. Hence I am tempted to call my car Tardis.
It rides bumps much better than the previous car, has a much quieter cabin, feels more spacious and oozes quality. It is quite definitely the step up in prestige that Hyundai targeted.

In the residential area where I live there are two schools and it is impossible for me to come and go from my home without having to cross speed bumps in the surrounding roads, some of which are ferocious.
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The worst are the smallest and most innocuous looking ones. They are just a series of 10 cm high half round tarmac ridges across the road at about 3 metres pitch. Imagine a series of 10 cm dia pipes across the road or rows of house ridge tiles. In my previous i30 (admittedly with 17” rims) these speed bumps were painfully bone jarring and caused the suspension to crash at almost any speed.
Even mothers on the school run in their Bentley Continentals, Range Rovers, Mercedes 4x4’s, Jaguars and other Chelsea Tractors, treat these with great respect and slow to less than walking pace. In my new car they can of course be felt – but with far less discomfort and certainly not bone jarring.

On normal UK roads with pot holes and repair patches – the new car soaks up the imperfections so much better than my previous i30 without sending hard shocks through the cabin. The VW Golf and Citroen C4 are the only other cars that I have driven in this class that can compete with it in this respect. The Focus, Astra and Mazda 3 are all far less refined.







The new car is theoretically more powerful at 94kW than my previous one which developed  85kW. Both cars have the same torque figures. The new car is claimed to accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 10.9 seconds – 0.6 seconds quicker than the previous car. I have to say that the car feels as lively as my previous i30 - but no more so. Perhaps I am not noticing any real difference because either the engine is still tight or the refinement of the car masks the improvement.
I suppose it could be a bit of both!

I brimmed the car immediately after leaving the dealers and set the distance and fuel trips to zero - but have not yet needed to buy fuel – hence I cannot give accurate feedback on economy. In any event my driving has not been typical – no long distances, quite a lot of urban miles and that fast fun drive when temptation bit me. The engine is still tight so I would expect economy to improve with greater mileage.

The average trip recorder is currently showing 55.4 mpg (5.1 L/100 km) over a distance of 210 miles (340 km). This compares with an average of 48.6 mpg (6.1 L/100 km) for my previous car – so the future is looking good.

Hyundai claim that when designing this new model they set out to equal or better the comfort and refinement of other cars in the sector – especially the VW Golf. To do this they made numerous changes to the basic design of the i30 including a completely new chassis, but kept the wheelbase at 2650 mm which is already 72mm longer than the Golf and thus a significant contributor to straight-line stability and ride comfort.

Measures to improve the i30’s mechanical and rolling refinement included :-
•   Revisions to the engine and drive components
•   Fluid filled engine mounts to dampen vibration before it could reach the chassis
•   Larger diameter hollow drive shafts to minimise road roar
•   New ultra high strength steel reinforcements between the car’s suspension mountings
•   Stiffer A and B pillars with better insulation
•   Double layer door seals
•   Aerodynamic improvements to the body, wing mirrors and even the exterior door handles to reduce drag and wind noise.


I have driven my new car over the same route that I test drove a new 2012 i30 1.6 CRDi Classic and a VW Golf 1.6 TDi SE to compare cabin noise with my previous i30. The i30 classic and VW Golf had 15” wheels so I was expecting the new car with 16” wheels to be slightly noisier.
I am pleased to report that my decibel meter had good news and confirmed that Hyundai’s  efforts have produced the intended result – these are the comparisons of the maximum average noise levels for each car for various conditions. Cabin noise levels are measured in dBA
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Dodging the naughty step

Very early this Easter Sunday morning, I was alone in the car and about to drive along a series of my favourite winding country roads for a distance of over 30 miles.

When my wife is with me we pootle along at a sedate speed and admire the lovely scenery – but here I was – all alone.

I was tempted……..

Very tempted………

But hang on lad - it’s a new car….

And the road is wet after overnight rain………

But you were OK thrashing an i30 around the Silverstone circuit..

Hmmmm………………..

However - I did manage to resist the temptation………………….. For at least 20 seconds….

Whereupon I changed the steering mode to sport, dropped it down a gear or two, and let rip.

You must not show this report to my wife.

I am very familiar with the route and the really dangerous bits – plus the chance of other traffic or plod being around so early on a holiday Sunday was minimal - so I felt confident that I could push the car to my limits.

I say 'my limits' advisedly because I am sure the car’s limits are much greater than mine.

There seemed to be no raw edges to the handling – the car did what I asked of it without protest. Two or three times I recognised (from my Silverstone track experience) the heavy chatter of the VSM (Vehicle Safety Management system) taking charge with differential braking and steering assist when I nearly over-did it on the wet road. The grip of the new Continentals was most reassuring. Bucket seats and a full harness would have been very welcome.

Two of the really fast bends are tricky with very poor pock marked surfaces and negative camber – even on these - handling proved to be relatively neutral provided I fed enough power in to pull it through the bend. Braking was powerful, progressive and responsive.

There was a touch more body roll than my previous car – but it was fun. It felt safe, I felt confident and at no point was it hair raising or did my heart miss a beat. It was a trip down memory lane.

Hence, those like me who put safety and comfort way in front of excitement, will feel the balance is about right.  I have a suspicion that keen drivers might argue that the improved handling and extra comfort have come at the price of a far less exciting drive. They can always switch the ESP and VSM off I suppose. 

On this evidence I guess that the rumoured hot hatch versions of the new i30 with the more powerful engines and sports tuned chassis’ are going to give other hot hatches some stiff competition.

SUMMARY

I have had quite a few new and used cars in my time, but I cannot recall any that have pleased me so instantly more than this one.

For some years I have treated cars as a utensil – white goods – a means of getting you from A to B safely, reliably, comfortably and economically. In my career heyday a certain badge would have been in the list. What went on with the chassis and under the bonnet were incidental.  As an engineer I well understand the workings of a car – but in recent years I have lost interest in motoring as a hobby and have been content to let others maintain my car and sort out any problems.

However, joining the forum has somewhat changed my perspective. I now take more interest in what makes my car tick and why - and seek the wise opinions of others. The forum has awakened my interest in motoring and thereby caused me to research this car more thoroughly and more carefully than ever - before buying it.

My research told me that the new i30 would prove to be a fine car and my experience to date fully confirms this.

Although at one stage I seriously considered the much cheaper 1.4 petrol version, I feel vindicated that I chose the diesel again.

My brief “thrash” down the country roads is quite out of character – 40 years ago it would of course have been quite a different story – but for years I have been sliding down the slippery slope of motoring maturity. I am 75 years old for heaven’s sake – but fortunately a fit, healthy and very active 75 year old. How I have avoided being a member of the flat cap, pipe, tobacco, leather driving gloves and woolly scarf brigade is one of life’s mysteries. 

I have little doubt that my motivation to push the car and myself to ‘my’ limits had something to do with being back amongst keen motorists on the forum. 
Go on – admit it – you must have expected me to.

So far I have not found any significant things that fail to please me which were not revealed during my test drives of the various models both on the road - and of course during my track day at the Silverstone circuit. (The poor instant economy display and the lack of an auto dipping rear mirror being the notable ones).

If I do – I will certainly let you know.

So I will finish by expressing my appreciation and thanks to the forum staff and all the forum members who make such a magnificent contribution to our pool of knowledge and our motoring pleasure.


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Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Shambles on April 08, 2012, 19:51:54
A splendid way to pass 20 minutes of my time :goodjob:

The only surprise was that your former Premium i30 didn't have auto up & down on all windows - mine has.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to construct and appoint this excellent post. Should it be in Testimonials? Pictures? Hmm... It's definitely following your Silverstone article onto the front page :D
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 08, 2012, 20:05:42
The only surprise was that your former Premium i30 didn't have auto up & down on all windows - mine has.

I have found that Hyundai are always tinkering with the model specs. I paid extra for my cruise control - 6 months later it was made standard. I don't know when or why they diluted the window auto up/down on all windows. For sure my previous car didn't have it and I was unaware that earlier models did - otherwise I would he beat my drum at the dealers.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: succulant on April 08, 2012, 21:12:33
An excellent article and bookmarked for future reference :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Surferdude on April 08, 2012, 21:45:19
Alan, an excllent report.
I will probably need to re-read it a couple of times to get the most out of it.

Only one question at this time.
In your pics of the pedals, it appears the distance between the clutch and the footrest in your new car is marginally less than in your old one. It may just be the angle of the pic but I thought I'd ask as I occasionally catch the edge of the footrest when depressing the clutch pedal (some shoes are wider in the sole than others :-[)
Could you check and advise please? It wouldn't stop me buying one and I guess I'm really just being picky - coz there ain't much to be picky about.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Asterix on April 08, 2012, 21:52:11
Great post, Alan


My thoughts are not in any particular order – just what popped into my head as I sat at the keyboard. 

Gee, you must have sat all night at the keyboard. :sweating:

It sure took me a while to read, but very interesting though. Thanks for shearing.  :razz:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Asterix on April 08, 2012, 23:10:23
Hmmm.

According to Alan's avatar text he's still driving an old model i30.  :question:

Maybe he haven't had the time to change it, as all his time was spent on writing this post..   :lol: ...and some fun driving the country roads, behaving like a youngster  :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 08, 2012, 23:13:51

My thoughts are not in any particular order – just what popped into my head as I sat at the keyboard. 
Gee, you must have sat all night at the keyboard. :sweating:

I didn't say that I did that all in one sitting. It is the result of several days a bit at a time.  I started when I ordered the car and decided to do a report for the forum. I fired up MS Word and started to draft an outline based upon my experience with my road tests of the new model. I was also able to take the pics of my previous car ready for the final edition.

I took delivery of the car last Saturday and it did not take too much time to take the corresponding photos of the new car and go on a few drives to check out the items to be mentioned. I then was able to edit and add to the draft text of the report to reflect the experience with my particular car.

I knew I could easily copy and paste all the text onto the forum but I had a problem - how to insert photos so that they aligned with the relevant text. I sent a PM to Steve (Shambles) and Dazz asking for advice. Steve kindly came to my rescue and made some suggestions - and a few hours later I managed to get it finalised and on the forum.  It has been quite a learning experience - but I have now cracked it and it will make it easy next time - if ever there is a next time.

I have got my fingers crossed that we don't have another loss of forum posts - because I don't relish the thought of seeing all those efforts vanish in the ether.

Asterix

Thanks for the reminder about my profile - I changed the picture but not the text. Now done and dusted
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Asterix on April 08, 2012, 23:27:17
I did think there would be some copy/paste, otherwise your fingertips must have been all bloody.

Nice with these helpfull admins..  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 08, 2012, 23:29:39
Alan, an excllent report.
I will probably need to re-read it a couple of times to get the most out of it.

Only one question at this time.
In your pics of the pedals, it appears the distance between the clutch and the footrest in your new car is marginally less than in your old one. It may just be the angle of the pic but I thought I'd ask as I occasionally catch the edge of the footrest when depressing the clutch pedal (some shoes are wider in the sole than others :-[)
Could you check and advise please? It wouldn't stop me buying one and I guess I'm really just being picky - coz there ain't much to be picky about.

I used to have the same problem with my foot sometimes catching the footrest - but not on the new model. The picture on the left is the new model and to my eyes the gap between the footrest and clutch pedal looks wider so I am a bit surprised by your question.  I can't physically check the difference because I no longer have the old car to refer to.
What I can confirm is that the distance from the edge of the footrest to the side of the pedal is a healthy 70mm.

I bet it's the bandages on your foot getting in the way............... :rofl:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Dazzler on April 08, 2012, 23:34:41
Hi Alan ..

 The report is up to your usual standard  :brilliant: (thanks very much) Not helping me to catch up on other missed posts though  :whistler:

14 coats of paint  :Shocked: (only eye30 would have more than that  :winker:)

With regards to the absence of an auto dipping mirror, you could get your rear window tinted to reduce the glare  :idea:

My Hybrid has the Auto dipping mirror but with a dark tint on side and rear windows I barely need it.. :goodjob:

Last I looked your signature still says 2010/11 Premium?
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 08, 2012, 23:37:24
Not that I could afford one, but a great read Alan, however, I am concerned that a significant alteration has been made by Hy that has only been mentioned now. Why would they opt for motorbike driving mechanism.

"•   Revisions to the engine and drive chain"

I owned a BMW motorbike once & much prefer shaft drive myself.  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS Has your wife worked it out yet  :question:

PPS Perhaps We could have a tutorial on how to produce a professional document like this one, from someone who NOW knows ho (w) to do it,,,,,,,  :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 08, 2012, 23:40:51
Not that I could afford one, but a great read Alan, however, I am concerned that a significant alteration has been made by Hy that has only been mentioned now. Why would they opt for motorbike driving mechanism.

"•   Revisions to the engine and drive chain"

I owned a BMW motorbike once & much prefer shaft drive myself.  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sneaky - but I could have been referring to the timing chain................ :P
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: 2i30s on April 09, 2012, 00:24:20
excellent post Alan,are you sure your not a motoring writer for Hyundai UK?  :winker: :mrgreen: you should be, with the extremely informative and honest posts you've been giving us of late.   :Cuppa::cool: :mrgreen: :i30:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Surferdude on April 09, 2012, 00:42:57
Alan, an excllent report.
I will probably need to re-read it a couple of times to get the most out of it.

Only one question at this time.
In your pics of the pedals, it appears the distance between the clutch and the footrest in your new car is marginally less than in your old one. It may just be the angle of the pic but I thought I'd ask as I occasionally catch the edge of the footrest when depressing the clutch pedal (some shoes are wider in the sole than others :-[)
Could you check and advise please? It wouldn't stop me buying one and I guess I'm really just being picky - coz there ain't much to be picky about.

I used to have the same problem with my foot sometimes catching the footrest - but not on the new model. The picture on the left is the new model and to my eyes the gap between the footrest and clutch pedal looks wider so I am a bit surprised by your question.  I can't physically check the difference because I no longer have the old car to refer to.
What I can confirm is that the distance from the edge of the footrest to the side of the pedal is a healthy 70mm.

I bet it's the bandages on your foot getting in the way............... :rofl:

Yeah. Sorry. I had the pictures back to front in my mind. So they've widened the gap. Great.
No bandages. Just a wide band aid. And very little swelling - in fact almost none now.
But thanks for asking. :happydance:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2012, 01:58:21
Alan, I'm going to read this at a later time when I have more time to digest it as I have to go out shortly but I know it is going to be a thorough and comprehensive report and I'm looking forward to reading it.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 09, 2012, 10:02:45
When I collected the car there was 8 miles on the odometer and the dealer had put £20 worth of diesel in the car - which would have been approximately 13 litres.

I drove to the nearest service station 2 miles away and carefully brimmed the car - which for some strange reason took about twice as long as normal - the foaming was really bad and it took ages to get the fuel stationary in the filler neck. It was taking so long the assistant thought I was in trouble and came out to investigate. Anyway - I digress - I sqeezed 45.3 litres into the tank which means that the car had taken 58 litres in total. This is 3 litres more than I ever managed to get into my previous car.

My second observation, not included in my report, is that the turning circle on the new car is much less than my previous one. I didn't notice it until I fetched my morning newspaper today. I have to turn around at the paper shop to return home and I have always had to do a mini 3 point turn in the previous car to turn around in the road - it just couldn't make it in one sweep by about a metre. The new car turned in the road - just - without a problem. I guess the 17" wheels on the previous car (and the associated steering rack spacer)  made a bigger difference than I imagined.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Dazzler on April 09, 2012, 10:57:25
That is interesting Alan  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Ugly Mongrel on April 09, 2012, 11:56:44
Alan, thanks for a very well put together report. I thoroughly enjoyed the read.

I noticed you titled your post "First impressions". I can't wait to read your "second impressions".
 :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 09, 2012, 12:10:32
OK, I've read it through and as expected a very enjoyable and thorough report and comparison.
Thanks Alan.  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: eye30 on April 09, 2012, 12:41:02
I was afraid of someone pointing out that one of the sentences in my report has been on before - and I got chucked into the HOS as a joke.


Nearly     :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: constipated on April 09, 2012, 14:43:04
The average trip recorder is currently showing 55.4 mpg (5.1 L/100 km) over a distance of 210 miles (340 km). This compares with an average of 48.6 mpg (6.1 L/100 km) for my previous car – so the future is looking good.


Alan, could I ask if you have an approximate average speed for these readings.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 09, 2012, 20:10:07
The average trip recorder is currently showing 55.4 mpg (5.1 L/100 km) over a distance of 210 miles (340 km). This compares with an average of 48.6 mpg (6.1 L/100 km) for my previous car – so the future is looking good.


Alan, could I ask if you have an approximate average speed for these readings.

I didn't see your post until today. The trip since the first fill at 10 miles on the odometer is currently showing 41 mph (66 km/hr) and trip economy at 54.9 mpg (5.15 l/100km). Odometer is now 282 miles (453 km)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Surferdude on April 09, 2012, 21:32:19
The average trip recorder is currently showing 55.4 mpg (5.1 L/100 km) over a distance of 210 miles (340 km). This compares with an average of 48.6 mpg (6.1 L/100 km) for my previous car – so the future is looking good.


Alan, could I ask if you have an approximate average speed for these readings.

I didn't see your post until today. The trip since the first fill at 10 miles on the odometer is currently showing 41 mph (66 km/hr) and trip economy at 54.9 mpg (5.15 l/100km). Odometer is now 282 miles (453 km)

Alan, stick to the important stuff.
Has your wife noticed yet?

My wife suggests that perhaps you aren't giving her enough credit and she's waiting for you to mention it first. :whistler: If so, you're in even more trouble than you thought.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 09, 2012, 22:50:31

Alan, stick to the important stuff.
Has your wife noticed yet?

My wife suggests that perhaps you aren't giving her enough credit and she's waiting for you to mention it first. :whistler: If so, you're in even more trouble than you thought.

To set the scene. We have a double drive at the side of the house leading to a double garage. We downsized and moved into this house 18 months ago, and the garage is still full of unopened boxes. Hence our cars are parked side by side on the drive.

I did not expect to receive the car until 1st May - but for some reason it arrived early and I didn't tell my wife in order to surprise her. It so happened that on the morning I collected the car she was out doing some charity work and arrived back late afternoon - just as I was putting a suitcase in the boot to take one of the photos for my report. She got out of her car - right alongside mine - and asked whether I was leaving home. She looked into the open boot, which was in pristine condition and reeking of the new car smell  - and accepted my answer that I was taking photos ready for a report I was preparing for the forum. It was only then that I realised she had not noticed it was the new car - so I decided to say nowt and see how long I could keep it up.

She has been out and about in her car twice since then - has done some gardening only a few yards away - and still failed to notice the change in car. However, I knew that all would be revealed because we were visiting friends 30 miles away and always use my car.

We got ready to go out and I said to Libby "You are always volunteering to drive and I always decline your offer - but why don't you drive today". She looked a bit surprised and asked if I was unwell or something. I assured her that it would make a nice change to be chauffered and she took the keys off me.

We walked to the car from the rear, I went left to the passenger door and she went right to the drivers door and she plipped the remote to open the car. She opened the rear door, threw her handbag onto the rear seat as normal, shut the rear door and opened the drivers door to get in - at which point her brow furrowed and she paused. She said nothing but walked to the rear of the car, by which time I was in the passenger seat having a major problem to stop myself from laughing out loud. I could not see her clearly through the rear window but I heard her exclaim "Bastard - it's the new car - it has a 12 registration".

She then got into the car and asked through clenched teeth why I hadn't told her about it and when had I collected it. She was totally dumbstruck when she realised how many times she had been by the car and not noticed - but managed to laugh about it. She has been phoning all her friends to share the experience so that they can have a laugh too - so all is well and she has shared in the joke - as I knew she would of course.... :whistler:

I now know how she feels when she moves all the furniture around in the lounge - I fail to notice her hard work - and she rightly accuses me of being like most men  - lost in my own little world and not being at all observant.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 09, 2012, 23:00:25
Nice to see that she can joke about it too. Seems like she's got you summed up as well, thanks for sharing the details.  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Surferdude on April 09, 2012, 23:58:16
^^^
Great story. Tell her she's the talk of the forum. :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Dazzler on April 10, 2012, 02:49:24
^^^
Great story. Tell her she's the talk of the forum. :whistler:

 :whsaid:

I am usually the unobservant one in our house.. Trish is a car person so is convinced she would notice any change of car instantly no matter how subtle  :whistler: (Damn)  :lol:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 10, 2012, 06:52:50
Great story.
I'm glad she saw the humour  :lol:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Surferdude on April 10, 2012, 09:30:25
Great story.
I'm glad she saw the humour  :lol:
She lives with Alan. She must have a great sene of humour - especially given the time he spends in that dubious House of Ill Repute Shame.
Not to mention all the time at that special i30 pub.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 10, 2012, 09:33:21
Valid point.
It's been very quiet over Easter though at the pub.  :confused:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: AlanHo on April 10, 2012, 09:42:56
Last evening I tested another feature of the car - the luggage compartment light is now on the left hand side and just as gloomy as the previous model. You DIY guys are going to change it to an LED display I am sure.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 10, 2012, 09:50:07
Last evening I tested another feature of the car - the luggage compartment light is now on the left hand side and just as gloomy as the previous model. You DIY guys are going to change it to an LED display I am sure.

Oh well, they have to leave something for us to do.  :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: 1DRR on April 10, 2012, 13:55:29
Great report, and story too, Alan

My comments on the 2012 model:

1. The first time I saw pictures of it, the rear angle struck me as rather similar to the rear of the latest Focus. Not sure if it is just me. I don't mind at all, of course - both cars (Focus and '12 i30) look very sleek and fabulous. Just an observation.

2. The only thing that has turned me off of the 2012 i30 is the presence of a space saver tyre. I know from region to region the past models have varied between having a space saver spare and a full-size. Wonder if they'll continue to be inconsistent? I hope so for Oz, at least - what with all the wide open spaces.


Again, mate, fantastic report. Thank you for taking the time to share your impressions with us :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions
Post by: Asterix on April 10, 2012, 20:42:05

I now know how she feels when she moves all the furniture around in the lounge - I fail to notice her hard work - and she rightly accuses me of being like most men  - lost in my own little world and not being at all observant.

He-he. Loves the way you surprised her.  :goodjob2:

I allways get the same line about not noticing anything from my wife.  :disapp:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 10, 2012, 20:44:21
2. The only thing that has turned me off of the 2012 i30 is the presence of a space saver tyre. I know from region to region the past models have varied between having a space saver spare and a full-size. Wonder if they'll continue to be inconsistent? I hope so for Oz, at least - what with all the wide open spaces.

It's probably different for you guys in Australia - but I am happy to have a space saver wheel. I know I am asking for trouble in saying this - but - I have not had a puncture for 20 years.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: eye30 on April 10, 2012, 20:51:20
I know I am asking for trouble in saying this - but - I have not had a puncture for 20 years.

Fate.  Just watch you'll have one soon'ish..
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 10, 2012, 23:07:37
What's all this chat doing here, I thought Mr Ho would have used his tools to clean this up by now  :exclaim:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 10, 2012, 23:10:04
I think we have saved a copy of the Good Stuff elsewhere.. :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: 1DRR on April 11, 2012, 03:08:56
It's probably different for you guys in Australia...but... I have not had a puncture for 20 years.

I think the tyre companies have an arrangement with tradesmen over here to scatter nails/sharp debris on the road.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 11, 2012, 04:31:20
It's probably different for you guys in Australia...but... I have not had a puncture for 20 years.

Me too Alan  :D
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: 1DRR on April 11, 2012, 04:59:13
Guess I should be living in Mt Barker, then!
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 11, 2012, 05:04:11
The surrounding countryside is pretty, but the people, well that's another story.  :(
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 07:07:05
What's all this chat doing here, I thought Mr Ho would have used his tools to clean this up by now  :exclaim:

This thread is for all the members responses to the original one - which only has relevant data posted there - and is locked so only the mods can post and edit there.
This is to keep the technical data base clean of off topic stuff to make it easier for members, especially new ones, to refer to.

This is the original thread
https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14157.0 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14157.0)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 11, 2012, 07:14:17
Yes sir, (salute) Section Moderator Ho.  :D
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 11, 2012, 09:06:26
It's probably different for you guys in Australia...but... I have not had a puncture for 20 years.

Me too Alan  :D

I have.
Over the past five years I would have had five go down on me.  :'(
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 09:50:30
Over the past five years I would have had five go down on me.  :'(

I don't quite know how to respond to that boast....................... :scared:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Surferdude on April 11, 2012, 10:21:25
It's probably different for you guys in Australia...but... I have not had a puncture for 20 years.

Me too Alan  :D

I have.
Over the past five years I would have had five go down on me.  :'(

Scary mental images there.
 :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 11, 2012, 10:48:49
I'm totally shocked at you guys. What on earth are you thinking about?  :whistler:
I'm talking about tyres and punctures, as per the topic of this thread.  :D
And yes, in the past five years I would have had five punctures, but then I've done a lot of kms.
Before I got my i30, I was doing about 110-120,000 kms per year so I guess it's not too bad.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Surferdude on April 11, 2012, 10:53:08
I'm totally shocked at you guys. What on earth are you thinking about?  :whistler:
I'm talking about tyres and punctures, as per the topic of this thread.  :D
And yes, in the past five years I would have had five punctures, but then I've done a lot of kms.
Before I got my i30, I was doing about 110-120,000 kms per year so I guess it's not too bad.
Why are you shocked.
I'm a tyreman. It's scary to think of 5 flat tyres. :whistler: :happydance: :scared: :wink:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 11, 2012, 11:12:16
Touche, touche  :lol:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: asathorny on April 11, 2012, 11:27:03
Thank you again for the article Alan.  Based upon your experience I am now SERIOUSLY considering moving my sat nav (which is the same make as yours) to the center and not having the tell tale sucker (in more ways than one) mark on the window.  The thought of glue gumming up the dash really did put me off.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 14:05:17
Thank you again for the article Alan.  Based upon your experience I am now SERIOUSLY considering moving my sat nav (which is the same make as yours) to the center and not having the tell tale sucker (in more ways than one) mark on the window.  The thought of glue gumming up the dash really did put me off.

Here is an example   http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/2785766/art/tikoo/round-self-adhesive-fixat.html (http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/2785766/art/tikoo/round-self-adhesive-fixat.html)

or this one   http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-TomTom-Adhesive-Dash-Disks/dp/B001763SRI (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-TomTom-Adhesive-Dash-Disks/dp/B001763SRI)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 14:09:56
I have done some tests with the front parking sensors - I'm afraid that they fall short of my expectations.

There are just two sensors, one each side of the car on the angled section of the front bumper. Their sensitive area is a small fan shape at roughly 45o each side of the car. Hence the main width of the car at the front is blind and not protected

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/FrontSensorRange.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/SensorDisplay.jpg)

 
I am not sure what Hyundai intended with this arrangement because it has a very short range and a very limited area where it can detect obstructions.

I placed a large cardboard box on my drive in line with the detection area and then carefully inched the car slowly forward until the sounder beeped and a graphic appeared in the instrument display showing which corner of the car had been detected. At this point the car front was only 150 mm away from the box. As I inched further forward the sounder beeps increased in frequency until they were continuous at a point where the front was only 50 mm from the box face.  Had that have been a brick wall you are not all that far away from hitting it and damaging the car.

If you drive into a narrow gap – between parked cars for example - the sideways detection range is 350 mm and the beeper will sound continuously if the clearance between the side of your car and the obstruction is 350 mm or less.

When you reverse the car - the front and rear sensors are activated. This might help when you reverse out from between parked cars to prevent you from turning the front of the car too soon or too much.

Perhaps I will change my mind as I gather experience with the system - but at this moment in time I think it is ineffective and I will not be relying on it.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 11, 2012, 14:15:13
Better than nothing Alan but could be better for sure  :confused:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 11, 2012, 14:17:08
That's a shame Alan.
You don't think you're just being over sensor-tive?  :lol:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 19:30:14
Better than nothing Alan but could be better for sure  :confused:

I have written to Hyundai UK Head Office to point out that to call these "Front Parking Sensors" is misleading and that I was expecting sensors that protected the front of the car - not just a very limited area to the side. I have asked them what they propose to do to resolve the problem.

My dealer was not able to throw any light on the subject because mine is the first Style model they have sold. They did show me an i40 today and that has sensors in exactly the same position as mine - but it also has two on the front - one each side of the number plate.

My guess is that a resolution is not too difficult - just drill the front section each side of the number plate, fit two extra sensors and connect them into the wiring for the existing ones.


We will see.

Going to the dealers today on the motorway - I noticed the trip economy figure falling quite steadily. It had been 56.1 mpg (5.0 L/100 km) but had fallen to 54.3 mpg (5.3 L/100 km) after about 5 miles and was still falling. This despite the fact the motorway had a restricted 60 mph limit. I switched to the instant display and it was showing roughly 35 mpg (8.1 L/100 km) even though I was cruising at about 55 mph in the heavy but free flowing traffic. It is a journey of 12 miles from home to dealers. There was nothing showing on the instruments and the car felt normal - but I suspected it was DPF regenerating. It was a new experience for me because I never ever had it happen on my previous i30.

When I alighted from the car at the dealers you could smell and almost feel the heat radiating from under the car. It's a wonder they don't catch fire.  The same thing happened on the way back home and I have no idea whether the DPF regeneration was completed or not. It knocked my trip average economy down to 52.2 mpg (5.5 L/100 km) by the time I got home.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Asterix on April 11, 2012, 20:40:27

When I alighted from the car at the dealers you could smell and almost feel the heat radiating from under the car. It's a wonder they don't catch fire.  The same thing happened on the way back home and I have no idea whether the DPF regeneration was completed or not. It knocked my trip average economy down to 52.2 mpg (5.5 L/100 km) by the time I got home.

That's just the way I experience it with my car.

It is somewhat annoying that there's no indication, other than higher fuel consumption, to indicate when the DPF start and when regenerating is done  :disapp:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 11, 2012, 21:55:16


When I alighted from the car at the dealers you could smell and almost feel the heat radiating from under the car. It's a wonder they don't catch fire.  The same thing happened on the way back home and I have no idea whether the DPF regeneration was completed or not. It knocked my trip average economy down to 52.2 mpg (5.5 L/100 km) by the time I got home.

Does someone volunteer to trawl the european Golf, Astra and Focus forums to see if they have similar experiences.. :whistler:

I don't want to frequent them...but it would be interesting to know because these DPF things sound like a right pain...I would be devastated if I had achieved 6.1 LPH (as I did on our recent road trip only to see it go back up to say 6.4 or 6.5 after a short trip to work or something)  :disapp:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 11, 2012, 22:43:21
DPF regeneration after only 280 miles too. I thought the interval would be much longer than that.

Because the display indicates which sensor is activated, it's probably not as simple as plugging in more sensors. Looks like they're only protecting the corner of the vehicle as you swing out from parking and clipping the car in front.  :neutral:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 22:58:17
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/2010PremiumWheel.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/2012StyleWheel.jpg)


I gave the new car its first clean today and the thing that struck me was how much easier it is to clean the wheels. OK - the new Style car's 16" wheels are probably not as trendy as the previous Premium model's 17" wheels with the chrome inserts - but the spoke design is so much easier to clean.

The double spokes are set further apart at the hub and they are tapered so the gap is wider at the front than the back which makes it so much easier to see between them and get a brush in to clean them. Where they join the wheel rim there is a tapered cut-away which again aids cleaning. Full marks to Hyundai - a very practical design.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 11, 2012, 23:02:49
DPF regeneration after only 280 miles too. I thought the interval would be much longer than that.

I know it is acedemic but the car had 318 miles on the odometer when I got home. You are right though - it does seem a short interval especially because we did a fast 60 mile round trip by motorway on Monday which followed my fun run on Sunday morning where speeds reached....I dare not mention.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 11, 2012, 23:09:36
Hyundai seem to be putting similar, stylish and relatively easy to clean alloys on all their new models..  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 13, 2012, 13:41:46
Hyundai seem to be putting similar, stylish and relatively easy to clean alloys on all their new models..  :goodjob:

Which is a great thing given that as my knees get older they object to carrying out their core function.  :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 13, 2012, 13:46:26
Hyundai seem to be putting similar, stylish and relatively easy to clean alloys on all their new models..  :goodjob:

Which is a great thing given that as my knees get older they object to carrying out their core function.  :)

Mine are the same (only they are a year older)  :disapp:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 13, 2012, 14:25:57
Hyundai seem to be putting similar, stylish and relatively easy to clean alloys on all their new models..  :goodjob:

Which is a great thing given that as my knees get older they object to carrying out their core function.  :)

Mine are the same (only they are a year older)  :disapp:

So you've been on your knees more than I have  :lol:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 15, 2012, 22:25:47
I have carried out a preliminary fuel economy check on the new car over a 66.1 km route included 3 sections of urban roads totalling 22.5 km (which had a total of 14 traffic lights and 22 T junctions/ road islands) and 2 sections of motorway totalling 43.6 km.

I have driven the route twice in identical weather and road conditions.

On the first trip
I drove for economy – using a light touch on the throttle, keeping within the urban speed limits and aiming to cruise at about 60 mph (96 km/h) on the motorway.

On the second trip
I drove without regard to economy – accelerating quickly, overtaking slower traffic and exceeding the speed limits when safe to do so. I aimed to cruise at 70 mph (112 km/h) on the motorway.

Examination of my Garmin sat-nav trip logs produces the following data.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/TripData.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/RouteMap.jpg)




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/TestDrives.jpg)


These economy figures are a dramatic improvement compared with my previous 2010 i30 1.6 CRDi 6 spd manual. Hopefully, I can look forward to even better figures when the engine has loosened up in a few thousand miles.

As you will see from the graphic - the route I chose for the tests is not exactly flat. It has 6 significant inclines covering an overall altitude difference of 80 metres (260 feet). Unfortunately, it is not possible in the new model to see the effect of the hills on the instant trip data with any accuracy - because the previous digital number is now replaced by a graphic bar with no scale.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 15, 2012, 22:46:34
That's great, considering it will improve over time. Are the reports built in Garmin functions, or have you extracted the raw data from Garmin & created these yourself.  :question:  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on April 16, 2012, 00:58:10
Thanks for the review, Alan.

I am a bit confused over the model designators. Here in Australia we have the base model, the SX, then the SLX (which I have) and the SR for the top of the range model.

I don't know what they will be calling the new models here, or indeed, when we'll be seeing them.

Further, the engine that yours has, is it the same as what we'll be seeing? Mine's the 85kw model.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 16, 2012, 01:38:37
Are the reports built in Garmin functions, or have you extracted the raw data from Garmin & created these yourself.  :question:  :goodjob:

It's a bit of both. I can connect my Nuvi to the computer and upload the track logs from the sat-nav into the Garmin Mapsource application on the computer.

Each time you take a trip the nuvi records the track taken by taking data at regular intervals only few metres apart. This data includes the co-ordinates, exact date and time to the second, and altitude for each point recorded.  There were 592 log points in the route I took.

You can display the track of each log in Mapsource to show where the car has travelled on the map - and you can look at the log window to see each point that was plotted and the associated data. 

The coloured trip elevation in my post is a standard print-out onto which I have photoshopped the leg info.

The average speeds and the length of each leg can by obtained by highlighting the first point on the leg and dragging the cursor down the list to capture the last point. A window at the bottom of the display then gives you the average speed and overall length of the part of the log track you have highlighted. I typed this info into a small Word table which is what appears in my post.

The log does not store the speed of the car at each point - this is determined in Mapsource which calculates the distance between the points - deducts their times to calculate the time taken between them - and calculates the speed from that.

The map in my post is a screen capture of the Mapsource map with the route displayed.

I hope you have managed to follow this - it's easier to show someone than describe it.



 
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 16, 2012, 02:03:33
Thanks for the review, Alan.

I am a bit confused over the model designators. Here in Australia we have the base model, the SX, then the SLX (which I have) and the SR for the top of the range model.

I don't know what they will be calling the new models here, or indeed, when we'll be seeing them.

Further, the engine that yours has, is it the same as what we'll be seeing? Mine's the 85kw model.

I am not able to help you with model designations for each market.

The UK series one car came in 3 models - Classic, Comfort and Premium. You had SX, SLX and SR.

However the equipment levels for each market are different - your SX is not the same as our Classic etc. It is all jolly confusing.

The new car has been launched in the UK with different model names, they are now Classic, Active, Style and Style Nav. Each have more features than the previous model.

The engine range has also changed. We now get :-

1.4 petrol 100PS manual. Available in all models
1.6 petrol 120PS auto. Available only in Active model. Hence you cannot have a 1.6 petrol manual or a petrol auto in the higher spec cars

1.4 diesel 90PS manual. Available only in Classic and Active models
1.6 diesel 110PS manual. Available in all models
1.6 diesel 110PS auto. Not available in Classic model.
1.6 diesel 128PS manual. Available only in Style and Style-Nav models. Hence you cannot have an auto version of the most powerful engine.


Just across the Irish sea - Ireland get the new model range :-

1.4 100PS petrol Elite manual
1.4 90PS diesel Elite manual
1.6 110PS diesel Elite Plus manual
1.6 110PS diesel Elite Plus auto

Ireland don't get the 128PS diesel version. I have no idea how the feature list compares with the UK - I'm just amazed that the cars are so different each side of the border.

What I do know - from the UK Hyundai Product Manager - is that each market requests the specification they wish to sell in their own patch. The cars are then produced to suit each market's preferences. The Owners Manual that came with my car has a bewildering number of variations and options not applicable to the UK range - it really is a feast of pick and mix.

You guys in Australia should be petitioning your Hyundai Head Office now to see whether you can ensure they are aware of your wish list - before the launch is cast in stone.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 16, 2012, 07:05:04
Great data Alan.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 16, 2012, 10:24:46

I am a bit confused over the model designators. Here in Australia we have the base model, the SX, then the SLX (which I have) and the SR for the top of the range model.

I don't know what they will be calling the new models here, or indeed, when we'll be seeing them.

Further, the engine that yours has, is it the same as what we'll be seeing? Mine's the 85kw model.

My best (educated) guess is around mid year for the new model to be released in Australia and I would expect the new models to go from SX,SLX and SR to Active, Elite and Premium as per the i45 and i40 etc..

As to what motors we will get I was expecting the 1.6 petrol and the 128 BHP Diesel (and maybe even the 1.4 Petrol) but there is talk we may only get a 1.8 GDi Petrol (as per the Elantra) and the only motor that USA is apparently getting  :confused:

So I better have a word with some of my contacts in that regard  :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 16, 2012, 10:29:32
 :whsaid:
The email to Hyundai dealerships that I have referred to before said that the i30 will be a 1.8 litre petrol.
As far as model designation goes, I'd go with the uniformity that Active, Elite & Premium would give them in realtion to the other cars in the Australian model range.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on April 16, 2012, 15:05:30
Ah, the idiosyncrisies of the global model concept.

When I was in the US a few years ago I saw a Camry. It looked nothing like ours, even though both were the same model year.

I'm wondering what the US's version of the i30 looks like, then.

As for the engine disparties between markets, it would be great to get the higher spec diesel here.

And as for the 126ps (whatever a "ps" is) diesel only coming with a manual on the high end models, I wish that was the same here. Only reason why we didn't get the SR was because it's stuck with the ancient 3sp/with overdrive auto.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on April 16, 2012, 15:23:15
(whatever a "ps" is)

PS is metric horsepower.... :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: eye30 on April 16, 2012, 16:04:40
(whatever a "ps" is)

PS is metric horsepower.... :)

PS full name - Pferdestärke is a German translation of horsepower
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on April 16, 2012, 16:11:04
I actually reckon it's short for PonieS  :winker:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 16, 2012, 16:12:58
Pulls Stuff.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on April 16, 2012, 16:16:15
One Horsepower is equal to 1.01 PS.......well, near enough anyhow....  :D
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: eye30 on April 16, 2012, 16:21:23
Pulls Stuff.

So long as it doesn't stand for Piston Slap.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on April 16, 2012, 19:59:00
What's the point of having a "metric horsepower" when the supposed metric is (kilo/mega/giga)watts?

Anyway, I worked it out via a converter on my Android phone. Looks like the new diesel pumps out about 90 something kilowatts. Maybe they bought a heap of those performance chip kits off of that guy on Ebay...
 :cool:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 16, 2012, 21:35:04
What's the point of having a "metric horsepower" when the supposed metric is (kilo/mega/giga)watts?

Anyway, I worked it out via a converter on my Android phone. Looks like the new diesel pumps out about 90 something kilowatts. Maybe they bought a heap of those performance chip kits off of that guy on Ebay...
 :cool:

It's probably 94 as is the new accent CRDi :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 18, 2012, 00:04:29
The Service book clearly spells out the Warranty Limits for certain components as follows :-

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/WarrantyLimits.jpg)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 18, 2012, 09:23:39
I at last got around to synchronising one of my mobile phones (Samsung GT-E2230)with the car media system. As it happened - it was so easy to do that I didn't have to refer to the owners manual.

I then uploaded the address book from the phone to the car - again an easy and quick operation. Curious about the speech activation I hit the button and told the car to "Call Libby Ho.... - it repeated my instruction then dialled my wife's mobile. T'was very impressive - I had expected to have to fiddle about with settings before it all worked.

However - I believe I have a problem. Many of the contacts stored on my phone have more than one phone number - such as home, mobile, office etc. The upload to the car has loaded only one number for each contact - generally the mobile number. I have not investigated further - but it looks as though I would have to re-organise the phone contact list so that each contact has just one phone number and create extra contacts for persons with multi numbers. Such as AlanHo - Home, AlanHo-Mobile etc. I will not bother - it is too much of a pain so I have deleted my phone contacts list from the car. I will be able to receive calls via bluetooth - and it does this very well and with great voice clarity - but I will have to stop to make a call using the phone itself. Not a problem for me because I so rarely use the phone in the car.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 18, 2012, 11:37:15
Thanks Alan, Very interesting as usual.

I tried to upload my phonebook to the Hybrid from my wildfire and it just hung there in limbo..

I have now swapped to a more basic Sony Ericsen Cedar and must try again. However, until you pointed it out I hadn't thought about those dual numbers under one name (I may have the same issue) Time will tell  :confused:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51
To be fair to Hyundai - I just tried synchronising my phone with my Nuvi sat-nav and it exhibits the same problem - but worse. Only one number per contact but it will only recognise mobile numbers. Where contacts have just a home phone they are not transferred.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 18, 2012, 12:04:56
These are pretty modern but quite a good device to have for storing phone numbers, names, etc.

(http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/WAPOL5666/Misc/notepadpencil.jpg)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Asterix on April 18, 2012, 21:24:39
These are pretty modern but quite a good device to have for storing phone numbers, names, etc.

(http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/WAPOL5666/Misc/notepadpencil.jpg)

 :goodjob2:
 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: babis_xo on April 27, 2012, 07:13:07
 :judges:
Excellent review(s)!
Thank you :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on April 27, 2012, 17:42:10

I tried to upload my phonebook to the Hybrid from my wildfire and it just hung there in limbo..
I couldn't get either my HTC Desire nor my Samsung Galaxy S2 phones to upload their phonebooks to my i30's radio. And a woman who bought an ix35, I think it was, had the same problem.

We both ended up manually entering a selected few numbers into our radios.

I didn't find it that important in the end. And probably a good thing too. Not wise to be dialing whilst driving. They say that it's bad enough to take hands free calls, let alone try to make them...
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on April 27, 2012, 19:29:11

I tried to upload my phonebook to the Hybrid from my wildfire and it just hung there in limbo..
I couldn't get either my HTC Desire nor my Samsung Galaxy S2 phones to upload their phonebooks to my i30's radio. And a woman who bought an ix35, I think it was, had the same problem.

We both ended up manually entering a selected few numbers into our radios.

I didn't find it that important in the end. And probably a good thing too. Not wise to be dialing whilst driving. They say that it's bad enough to take hands free calls, let alone try to make them...

THe new 2012 i30 has voice activated bluetooth phone connection. Once you load your phone book - either manually or by direct link from a compatible phone - you just say "Phone Harry Smith" or whoever and it dials automatically. No buttons to push or the need to take your eyes off the road.

It really is impressive - but my Samsung phone will only transfer one number per contact - normally the mobile number.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: babis_xo on April 27, 2012, 22:57:52
...you just say "Phone Harry Smith" or whoever and it dials automatically. No buttons to push or the need to take your eyes off the road.

 :disapp:
still no "Throw mother in law out" function...
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on April 27, 2012, 23:07:38
...you just say "Phone Harry Smith" or whoever and it dials automatically. No buttons to push or the need to take your eyes off the road.

 :disapp:
still no "Throw mother in law out" function...

Very good babis  :rofl:

Most phones now have a voice recognition mode you would think if it is connected via bluetooth just yelling this at your phone should do the same thing (if you have that function set)I must try it sometime  :idea:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on April 28, 2012, 01:02:41
...you just say "Phone Harry Smith" or whoever and it dials automatically. No buttons to push or the need to take your eyes off the road.

 :disapp:
still no "Throw mother in law out" function...

Very good babis  :rofl:

Most phones now have a voice recognition mode you would think if it is connected via bluetooth just yelling this at your phone should do the same thing (if you have that function set)I must try it sometime  :idea:

Yes, try yelling HARRY SMITH and see what happens.
I don't know who Harry Smith is but he's going to be getting lots of calls from i30 owners.  :lol:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: babis_xo on April 28, 2012, 01:57:28
 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 04, 2012, 20:59:47
This is an update on my saga over the front parking sensors I detailed in an earlier post.

There has been a series of 3 way phone calls and Emails between myself, the dealer and Hyundai UK head office. The bottom line is :-

*  The dealer cannot do anything about the problem because it is not acknowledged by Hyundai UK.

*  Hyundai UK claim that the sensors are working as intended by the Europe/Korea design Bureau.

*  I have carefully checked my sensors and find that when you place a solid and wide obstacle directly in front of them at 45 degrees to the car they have a maximum detection range of 48 cm and not 60 cm as claimed in the brochure and owners manual. The sensors are installed 36 cm back from the front of the car and 8 cm back from the side of the car, so that at no point directly forwards or sideways can they detect an obstacle at a range of even 48 cm let alone the claimed 60 cm. Hence I regard the advertising brochure and the Owner's Manual as significantly misleading.

But Hyundai maintain that the car is performing as designed and there is nothing more to be said. I have asked for their help in finding an aftermarket solution at my cost but they have ignored my plea.

However, undaunted, I have carried out a lot of research - you have lots of time to do this when retired. I have discovered that a UK company called Cobra manufacture aftermarket front and rear sensor kits for many car brands – including Hyundai. All their kits have at least 4 sensors front and back.

I have further discovered that Cobra supply a front sensor kit for the 2012 i30 to Hyundai UK for distribution to dealers as a dealer fitted option – but my dealership have no knowledge of this and are currently trying to track it down.

I have been able to obtain a copy of the Hyundai fitting instructions for this kit – not from a Hyundai dealer or from Cobra I hasten to point out – but from a third party. You can download it from here if you are interested :-

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=ee75171a36a29ec5&resid=EE75171A36A29EC5!179&parid=EE75171A36A29EC5!122

In the UK the Classic model does not have parking sensors – rear or front.
The Active model has just rear parking sensors as standard.
The Style model has rear parking sensors – and what they call front parking sensors as standard (but which do not protect the front of the car).

The car illustrated in this kit is the new Classic base model which has a different grill arrangement to the Active and Style models. Hence the dimensions shown for sensor drilling do not apply to my car or the Active model.

It therefore appears that if you buy the base model and opt for front parking sensors as an option you get a proper 4 sensor system – not the crippled 2 sensor version on my car.

I wrote today to Hyundai UK to advise them that I had discovered that they liaised with Cobra in February 2012 to produce a 4 sensor front parking kit for the 2012 i30 and it carries a Hyundai part number – asking why they had not advised me of this.

I will let you know when I get a reply – but don’t hold your breath.


Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on May 05, 2012, 05:43:38
Good luck, Alan.... :goodjob:

It appears Hyundai UK are no better than Hyundai Australia to deal with.....  :mad:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 05, 2012, 08:25:55
It's been said before, but Hy HO is only there to control the dealerships and liaise with the factory. It's full of overpaid bean counters and department managers who haven't seen a shop floor for years. Alan's correspondence has probably been referred to a manager accountant who doesn't even know the difference between a 2 or 4 sensor system. :(
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 05, 2012, 09:00:14
And his name would be either Arthur or Martha.  :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 05, 2012, 09:26:56
What is interesting is that at the Silverstone pre launch event in February, I met 3 senior managers of Hyundai UK head office, the Customer Services Manager, the i30 Product Manager and the Customer Relations Manager. They were all nice young women but did not impress me. The i30 Product manager knew less about the car than I did.

3 months have now gone by and during my recent foray with Hyundai I have discovered that all these people no longer work for Hyundai.

Hence I am not sure who I am now dealing with. No wonder I am now "sensortive"............. :evil:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 05, 2012, 09:28:39
That would be Martha. Or Arthur  :undecided: :confused:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 05, 2012, 09:30:18

3 months have now gone by and during my recent foray with Hyundai I have discovered that all these people no longer work for Hyundai.


 :Shocked: Wow that was a quick turnaround ...
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 05, 2012, 10:01:00
What is interesting is that at the Silverstone pre launch event in February, I met 3 senior managers of Hyundai UK head office, the Customer Services Manager, the i30 Product Manager and the Customer Relations Manager. They were all nice young women but did not impress me. The i30 Product manager knew less about the car than I did.

3 months have now gone by and during my recent foray with Hyundai I have discovered that all these people no longer work for Hyundai.

Hence I am not sure who I am now dealing with. No wonder I am now "sensortive"............. :evil:


QED  :fum:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on May 06, 2012, 02:36:55
Alan, if something is not performing as intended or as advertised don't you have recourse via a consumer affairs department or something?
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 06, 2012, 02:45:30
Alan, if something is not performing as intended or as advertised don't you have recourse via a consumer affairs department or something?

Yes - I could refer the matter to Trading Standards and may well do that later if my present course of action fails to produce a satisfactory result.

As you might expect, Hyundai UK monitor this forum so I have yet to post everything here.  I have given them enough to read as it is.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 06, 2012, 08:37:58
While I am happy with my cars, the ability of the Golf to park itself hands free should be an embarrassment to Hyundai. It's obvious the sensors can't be trusted.  :fum:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 06, 2012, 08:40:32
While I am happy with my cars, the ability of the Golf to park itself hands free should be an embarrassment to Hyundai. It's obvious the sensors can't be trusted.  :fum:

Like with the golf and Focus - self parking is an expensive optional extra on the new i30.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 06, 2012, 08:42:09
Do you know what is different between yours and SPS.  :question:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: 2i30s on May 06, 2012, 09:21:30
what a gimmick,if you cant park a car using your driving skills, you shouldn't be driving a car at all. IMO.  :neutral:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 06, 2012, 09:56:48
Do you know what is different between yours and SPS.  :question:

I have not tried one - but my understanding of the self parking system is that you drive slowly past a gap between two cars. Stop alongside the front car, start the self park system, put the car into reverse and slowly reverse the car.  The SPS operates the steering and guides the car into a perfect parallel parking position. If the gap is too small the system lets you know before you attempt the manouvre.

My car simply has sensors which warn when the car approaches an obstacle. Parking is entirely a driver controlled affair.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 06, 2012, 09:58:50
Yes, I realise that, I meant the hardware differences  :neutral:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 06, 2012, 10:00:34
what a gimmick,if you cant park a car using your driving skills, you shouldn't be driving a car at all. IMO.  :neutral:

 :rofl: :rofl: You sound like my dad.  :lol:
Radio? What do you want a radio in a car for? If you can't drive a car without a radio you shouldn't be driving a car at all.  ;)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 06, 2012, 10:27:35
Yes, I realise that, I meant the hardware differences  :neutral:

I don't think there will be any difference - in fact you have unwittingly triggered a thought in my mind for which I thank you.... :goodjob:.

If you have seen my recent posts you will be aware that I am complaining that the front parking sensors on my car do not cover the front of the car - but the front corners and sides. Thinking about it - that is exactly what an SPS would need to let the steering know when it is safe to swing the car into the gap.

Thanks for your question - I now know why they can offer SPS on just the Style model - it is the only one with sensors in the required position on the front quarters. The SPS option would then be a simple matter of waking up some CPU software to control the electric steering and the instrument display - no additional hardware required.

Hyundai UK here I come...................... :evil:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 06, 2012, 10:30:16
Yes Alan, this is where I was headed, could it be, that yours has not been set up correctly  :question:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 06, 2012, 10:34:41
Yes Alan, this is where I was headed, could it be, that yours has not been set up correctly  :question:

No - my car was not supplied with self parking. It is an option that will be offered later this year. If it comes as a dealer fit there is I suppose a chance that I could have it added (Just to help my wife when she uses the car you understand)  :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 06, 2012, 10:41:23
I realise that too, but it seems that there are a myriad of settings, halo, lights etc. If the sensor hardware is the same, how can the car range from being basically shortsighted, to intelligent enough to park itself with the same sensor setup :question:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 06, 2012, 11:39:06
I realise that too, but it seems that there are a myriad of settings, halo, lights etc. If the sensor hardware is the same, how can the car range from being basically shortsighted, to intelligent enough to park itself with the same sensor setup :question:

The rear sensors are fine and can detect to the rear and partly to the side with a range of about 150 cms. The front sensors are in the right position for an SPS but on my car have a limited range. I suspect that the range is tuned down to prevent you from keep getting alarms in traffic queues and could be switched to full "power" when the SPS is activated.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: bumpkin on May 06, 2012, 13:11:15
To go back to the voice activated Bluetooth issue, I too had difficulties using the HTC with the ix20, which is like a half voice activated solution, you need to press the button on the wheel but then everything is voice after that.

The iPhone however works perfectly, it's a bit odd saying call Paterson, Kim as that is how the names are stored, but reassuring to then be asked by the system if you want to call her at home, work or mobile.  Works very well.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 11, 2012, 21:08:02
Returning to the subject of "when are front parking sensors not parking sensors" I have been looking again at the superb photos Seoul Mate posts in his picture threads. In threads "Korean Pics 234 and 235" the majority of the photos are for the new i30 - and some of those are the Top of the range version with front parking sensors.

Where the front bumper is visible in the photos and it is the top model, you can clearly see that the car is equipped with 6 sensors at the front end - so it adds fuel to my fire when I complain that my car only has 2.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/KoreanFrontSensors-1.jpg)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 11, 2012, 21:47:44
Well spotted Alan  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 12, 2012, 23:31:12
Something strange with my car today.

I went out to fetch some stuff from a garden centre 11 miles away - a 22 mile round trip of which 7 miles were on urban roads (30 mph), 10.5 miles on a motorway (70 mph) and 4.5 miles were on a dual carriageway (50 mph).

The average fuel economy trip had been zeroed when I last filled the car 343 miles ago.
At 106 miles on the tank it was showing 63.7 mpg after a slow cruise to London
At 207 miles it had dropped to 54.2 mpg after a very fast drive back home
At 343 miles it had dropped to 50.2 mpg after a lot of short urban journeys.

Hence, when I set out the average fuel trip was reading 50.2 mpg and as I was cruising down the motorway at about 60 mph in 5th gear (the gear change indicator had not asked me to change to 6th) I noticed the trip change to 50.0, then 49.9 and on down to 49.6 at which point I left the motorway. By the time I reached my destination the trip was recording 49.1 mpg despite the fact there were no hills on the route, I met no traffic, I drove gently and there was no flashing DPC light showing.  To drag the average down so quickly after more than 343 miles since it was zeroed meant that the instant economy on the trip must have been dire.

On the way back home I altered the trip to show the instantaneous fuel economy. In my car it is a horizontal bar graduated 1, 25 and 50 mpg so it is impossible to get exact readings. However - not at any time did the bar reach 50 mpg - on the motorway by crude interpolation I estimate it was showing less than 40 mpg while cruising at 60 to 65 mph in 5th and 6th gear. By the time I got home again the average trip was showing 48.1 mpg. So the average had fallen by 2.1 mpg in just 22 gentle miles.

On previous similar trips the average consumption has been in the range 58 to 64 mpg.

The fuel consumption on this trip was excessive and I cannot understand why. The weather was sunny, the air temperature was 14*C, there was little wind, the handbrake had not been on, I drove gently and changed up when the display asked me to, hence for most of the journey the engine had been turning over between 1800 and 2100 rpm. I lifted the bonnet when I returned home to see if the DPF was very hot - and it wasn't. I checked the wheels to see if a brake had been dragging - they were cool - so I am flummoxed for a reason.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 13, 2012, 02:10:15
That's really odd, Alan.
I noticed you said that you were in 5th gear at 60 mph as the gear change indicator hadn't asked you to change up yet.
Would 6th pull that speed ok though?
Because our speed limit here is 110 km/h and not much point having a 6th gear if you can't use it at highway speeds.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 13, 2012, 09:17:26
That's really odd, Alan.
I noticed you said that you were in 5th gear at 60 mph as the gear change indicator hadn't asked you to change up yet.
Would 6th pull that speed ok though?
Because our speed limit here is 110 km/h and not much point having a 6th gear if you can't use it at highway speeds.

60 mph in 6th gear results in 1700 rpm. I have responded to several posts suggesting that I might be cruising at too low engine revs so I have been following the gear change indicator.

But to answer your question - yes it does cruise happily in 6th gear at 60 mph - but if you want to increase speed to overtake etc you would need to drop down at least one gear. My previous i30 would pull quite well from 1700 rpm - this car is less happy.

At your speed limit of 110 km/hr the new car turns at exactly 2000 rpm which seems to be its sweet spot.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 13, 2012, 09:25:01

But to answer your question - yes it does cruise happily in 6th gear at 60 mph - but if you want to increase speed to overtake etc you would need to drop down at least one gear. My previous i30 would pull quite well from 1700 rpm - this car is less happy.

That is a pity as it was one of the joys of the old model  :undecided:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 14, 2012, 13:02:05
I don't wear sunglasses because my normal spectacles are photochromic - hence the drop down sunglasses compartment has remained unused - until I discovered it is the ideal place to store my Sat-Nav when it is not being used.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/SunglassesCompartment.jpg)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on May 14, 2012, 13:34:19
I don't wear sunglasses because my normal spectacles are photochromic - hence the drop down sunglasses compartment has remained unused - until I discovered it is the ideal place to store my Sat-Nav when it is not being used.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/SunglassesCompartment.jpg)

I always thought it would be a good spot to put a reversing camera screen..... :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 14, 2012, 13:54:32
Now that's a good idea..  :)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 14, 2012, 22:25:48
Now that's a good idea..  :)
x2
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Shambles on May 14, 2012, 22:40:40
I'll tell you what... these "first impressions" are lasting a while :P
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 15, 2012, 02:24:46
I'll tell you what... these "first impressions" are lasting a while :P

I guess they are - but I'm a slow learner and only just got my first impression of the sunglasses compartment.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Shambles on May 15, 2012, 08:06:06
Quote
« Reply #130 on: Today at 02:24:46 »

Wha the hell kind of time is that to be posting :eek:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 15, 2012, 08:08:37
@Shambles,

The sun never sets on this site  :exclaim:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 15, 2012, 08:46:31
Quote
« Reply #130 on: Today at 02:24:46 »

Wha the hell kind of time is that to be posting :eek:

I make it twenty four minutes and forty six seconds past two a.m.   :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on May 16, 2012, 04:54:58
Perfectly acceptable time if you ask me... :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 16, 2012, 08:12:53
Perfectly acceptable time if you ask me... :whistler:

I thought of you straight away Rusty :lol: ... Between you and Allan the world is running out of "Midnight Oil.." :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on May 16, 2012, 13:52:44
 :D

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on May 16, 2012, 15:33:29

60 mph in 6th gear results in 1700 rpm.

What are the ratios for 6th and final drive? Mine sits on around 2,100rpm at 100 kays in 6th, and closer to 2,500 revs at 110 kays.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 16, 2012, 15:40:29

60 mph in 6th gear results in 1700 rpm.

What are the ratios for 6th and final drive? Mine sits on around 2,100rpm at 100 kays in 6th, and closer to 2,500 revs at 110 kays.

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14272.msg161139#msg161139 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14272.msg161139#msg161139)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: d3matt on May 16, 2012, 22:28:12
Returning to the subject of "when are front parking sensors not parking sensors" I have been looking again at the superb photos Seoul Mate posts in his picture threads. In threads "Korean Pics 234 and 235" the majority of the photos are for the new i30 - and some of those are the Top of the range version with front parking sensors.

Where the front bumper is visible in the photos and it is the top model, you can clearly see that the car is equipped with 6 sensors at the front end - so it adds fuel to my fire when I complain that my car only has 2.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/AlanHo1937/i30%20Forum/KoreanFrontSensors-1.jpg)

I would assume that is becuase these models have the self parking system fitted.
Kia are offering that in the Ceed and already on the Optima 3.  Here's how it works..
http://youtu.be/vV0wckfbDJ4 (http://youtu.be/vV0wckfbDJ4)

I wanted it.  Even though I can park ok, it would probably get you into spaces you'd not try.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: d3matt on May 16, 2012, 22:31:22
I can confirm the i30 front parking sensors are absolutely useless and might as well not be there.  They go from not working to a constant beep, so you have no warning of distance.  They don't go "beep-beep" at all.
I just ignore them every time now.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on May 17, 2012, 03:40:03
I can confirm the i30 front parking sensors are absolutely useless and might as well not be there.  They go from not working to a constant beep, so you have no warning of distance. 
That would annoy the hell outta me.

Our other car, a Mazda Tribute (or Ford Escape, not sure what Euro equivalent is) dings and dongs and gives me the constant irrits whenever it sounds, and mostly for crap reasons such as put key in ignition and door is open, or on accessories and you open tailgate, or dings incessantly if your seatbelt isn't on, that sort of crap. If I could disconnect it I would. Thankfully the i30 doesn't do any of that.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Shambles on May 17, 2012, 07:59:24
I can confirm the i30 front parking sensors are absolutely useless and might as well not be there...

If I were you or AlanHo I'd be right back at the dealership asking them to demonstrate the system in front of me. I'd want them to show me exactly how the system should be used to assist parking, including interpretation of proximity beeps (which you say are useless).

You've paid for this feature. Period. Get them to justify the cost. In front of you.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: bumpkin on May 17, 2012, 08:48:03
 :whsaid: :foottap:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 17, 2012, 09:28:03
I can confirm the i30 front parking sensors are absolutely useless and might as well not be there...

If I were you or AlanHo I'd be right back at the dealership asking them to demonstrate the system in front of me. I'd want them to show me exactly how the system should be used to assist parking, including interpretation of proximity beeps (which you say are useless).

You've paid for this feature. Period. Get them to justify the cost. In front of you.

I agree with this too.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 18, 2012, 17:22:10
It is my practice to set the average fuel economy and mileage trips to zero each time I brim the car so that I can calculate the actual fuel economy for each fill. 

This morning I noticed that on this tank I had racked up 642 miles (1036 km), the digital fuel gauge was showing 1 bar fuel remaining (out of 12) and the predicted range to empty was 72 miles (123 km). I had hoped to run the car until the fuel warning light came on to get a better idea of its range - but we have a long trip tomorrow and I didn't want to have to get off the motorway to fill the car - so decided to fill it today.

I set off this afternoon to visit a garden centre and planned to fill the car on the way back. Lo and behold - I had only done a couple of miles when the warning light came on.

On the way home with just a mile to go before reaching the service station I came upon a roadworks traffic queue on a long downslope. The traffic was moving forwards in fits and starts so I knocked the car into neutral and used just the brake to coast forward each time. On the last occasion I coasted in neutral for about 50 yards during which I happened to glance at the instruments to see the fuel trip figure - only to see it vanish and be replaced by a row of hyphens. When I put the car into gear and moved off it first changed to 00.0 then started to show sensible figures unrelated to the previous one.   It appears that if you coast the new car in neutral (edit : with the engine running) - the average fuel trip is set back to zero.

Before this happened the trip recorder was showing 53.8 mpg. (5.25 l/100 km)

I brimmed the car with 55.57 litres of diesel - This surprised me because the warning light had only been on for 9 miles (14 km) and the predicted range to empty was 61 miles (98 km) for which the car would require approx 5 litres. I know you can get more than the specified 53 litres into the tank - but surely not 60 litres!!  My worry is that the tank at that time was perhaps virtually empty - I will be nervous about waiting for the warning light in future.

The trip mileage was 652 (1050 km) when I brimmed the tank so the actual fuel economy on this tank calculates at 53.4 mpg (5.29 l/100 km) - very close to the average trip recorder figure.

I am happy with this economy because I have done a lot of town driving on this tank and it includes two very high speed motorway journeys totally more than 160 miles (258 km) when my average speed was 79 mph.(127 kph)

Something else that interests me is how the ECU calculates the predicted range. My previous car behaved in the same way - perhaps your's does.

A month ago when I brimmed the tank - the actual miles done plus the predicted range to empty at that time totalled 588 miles. But after I filled the car the predicted range to empty showed only 498 miles.
As I used the tank the total of actual miles driven plus the predicted range to empty steadily increased and reached 706 miles when I refuelled today.

After refuelling, the predicted range to empty now shows only 505 miles even though the car did 652 miles on the previous tank.

It does not seem to be very logical to me.


Oh - I haven't finished yet. Another minor mystery is the accuracy of the fuel gauge. It is a digital display made up of 12 bars.

It showed 12 bars (full) until I had done 206 miles- hence I had used up 32% of the fuel before it moved off empty.
until 343 miles - 10 bars (83%) compared with (47% of actual range left)
until 376 miles - 8 bars (66%)  compared with (42% of actual range left)
until 414 miles - 7 bars (58%)  compared with (37% of actual range left)
until 456 miles - 6 bars (50%)  compared with (30% of actual range left)
until 534 miles - 5 bars (42%)  compared with (18% of actual range left)
until 576 miles - 3 bars (25%)  compared with (12% of actual range left)
until 634 miles - 2 bars (17%)  compared with (3% of actual range left)
until refuelling - 1 bar (8%)

No wonder the predicted range to empty is a lottery when the fuel gauge is so inaccurate.


That will do for now........................... :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: asathorny on May 18, 2012, 17:46:54
MMmm very interesting Alan...   Have an enjoyable trip north of the border  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: d3matt on May 18, 2012, 19:17:53
It appears that if you coast the new car in neutral - the average fuel trip is set back to zero.

I've not noticed that.  I've coasted mine in neutral many times.  If you do it when the ISG has stopped the engine, it allowed the coast for about 30 seconds on the slight downhill slope, then restarted the engine without me touching the clutch.  I guess it needed to keep the brake pressure up.


I brimmed the car with 55.57 litres of diesel - This surprised me because the warning light had only been on for 9 miles (14 km) and the predicted range to empty was 61 miles (98 km) for which the car would require approx 5. I know you can get more than the specified 53 litres into the tank - but surely not 60 litres!!  My worry is that the tank at that was perhaps virtually empty - I will be nervous about waiting for the warning light in future.
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I've ran with my light on for a while and I didn't get that much fuel in.  I'll keep an eye on it next time.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 18, 2012, 19:32:11
I've not noticed that.  I've coasted mine in neutral many times.  If you do it when the ISG has stopped the engine, it allowed the coast for about 30 seconds on the slight downhill slope, then restarted the engine without me touching the clutch.  I guess it needed to keep the brake pressure up.

I was coasting with the engine running at the time - ISG had got bored with all the stops and starts. (actually it was because I had failed to reach the required threshold speed during the last movement - so ISG was disabled)
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: asathorny on May 18, 2012, 19:49:48
I've not noticed that.  I've coasted mine in neutral many times.  If you do it when the ISG has stopped the engine, it allowed the coast for about 30 seconds on the slight downhill slope, then restarted the engine without me touching the clutch.  I guess it needed to keep the brake pressure up.

I was coasting with the engine running at the time - ISG had got bored with all the stops and starts. (actually it was because I had failed to reach the required threshold speed during the last movement - so ISG was disabled)

I recall doing the same quite some time ago now Alan and commenting on that here...   Oh this is slightly off topic by the way, anyhow I commented on it here and one of our very knowledgeable members made me aware that I was wasting money, in that, if you coast downhill in gear the ECU cuts the fuel supply to the engine.   

I'm just saying !!!!!!   

 :backontopic:

still your always an interesting commentator so keep up the good work  :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 18, 2012, 19:57:21
Yeah - I am aware of that Asa - but the trouble with the new model is that at idle you can hardly hear the engine and you get used to the ISG doing its thing. It is easy when in a queue of stop/start/stop/start cars to not notice the engine is still running when you come to a standstill.

That's my excuse and I am sticking to it................. :evil:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 18, 2012, 22:27:59

I am happy with this economy because I have done a lot of town driving on this tank and it includes two very high speed motorway journeys totally more than 160 miles (258 km) when my average speed was 79 mph.(127 kph)

Average 79!, they are great figures, for an average like that  :goodjob2:

Something else that interests me is how the ECU calculates the predicted range. My previous car behaved in the same way - perhaps your's does.

After refuelling, the predicted range to empty now shows only 505 miles even though the car did 652 miles on the previous tank.

It does not seem to be very logical to me.

Sounds like HY have set a conservative constant in the ECU for this purpose, which is the base figure for calculations & subsequently overwritten by actual performance.

Oh - I haven't finished yet. Another minor mystery is the accuracy of the fuel gauge. It is a digital display made up of 12 bars.

It showed 12 bars (full) until I had done 206 miles- hence I had used up 32% of the fuel before it moved off empty.
until 343 miles - 10 bars (83%) compared with (47% of actual range left)
until 376 miles - 8 bars (66%)  compared with (42% of actual range left)
until 414 miles - 7 bars (58%)  compared with (37% of actual range left)
until 456 miles - 6 bars (50%)  compared with (30% of actual range left)
until 534 miles - 5 bars (42%)  compared with (18% of actual range left)
until 576 miles - 3 bars (25%)  compared with (12% of actual range left)
until 634 miles - 2 bars (17%)  compared with (3% of actual range left)
until refuelling - 1 bar (8%)

No wonder the predicted range to empty is a lottery when the fuel gauge is so inaccurate.

The float probably travels in an arc and is mounted low in the tank. When full, a fair amount of fuel can be used with little float movement. I wish they were mounted on a vertical shaft, so the result would be linear.


Have a safe, great trip. Keep an eye out for Nessie, remember photos, or it didn't happen  :goodjob2: :D
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 18, 2012, 23:00:41
Very interesting Alan .. Drive carefully and have a great trip  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: mjt57 on May 19, 2012, 01:35:59

it includes two very high speed motorway journeys totally more than 160 miles (258 km) when my average speed was 79 mph.(127 kph)
As an aside, what penalties would apply here if the police pulled you over?

Here in Australia, well, the state of Victoria, at least, if it was on a 100 km/h limited road (most highways and some freeways), I'd lose my licence for a month and a fine of around $300 (I'm not sure of exact fine).

And I think that they apply the same exceeding level (more than 25 km/h over) to our 110 km/h freeways. That is, the excess speed tolerance is dropped to 15 km/h over before you're walking.

If you do 30 km/h over the posted limit they confiscate the offender's car for a month. This will entail towing charges and storage charges on top of whatever fines are applied.

The higher your speed the longer the confiscation.

Police, government and road safety/traffic authorities here think that speeding is the only cause of crashes that's worth doing anything about.

And despite this the crash rate is higher than most Euro countries where there are higher open road speeds and greater tolerance.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 19, 2012, 07:55:12

it includes two very high speed motorway journeys totally more than 160 miles (258 km) when my average speed was 79 mph.(127 kph)
As an aside, what penalties would apply here if the police pulled you over?


I'm not sure what the official guide lines to judges are - each case seems to be treated on its merits. However - in 2008 a mobile radar speed trap on a 70 mph (112 kph) motorway caught me doing 92 mph (148 kph). I was fined £60 and had the statutory 3 points added to my licence. In truth - I was expecting a much bigger fine so I was lucky.
In the UK there is a fixed tarriff of points to be added to your licence for each type of motoring offence - once you get 12 points you lose your licence for 12 months or more. The points expire after 3 years.

Although the official speed limit is 70 mph the police tend to ignore people doing 75 mph - even 80 mph unless driving conditions are such they consider it dangerous. There are proposals under discussion in parliament to increase the limit to 80 mph officially - since most drivers do that anyway.

The speedy journeys I referred to were both after midnight on a Sunday night where the motorway was free of traffic and it was very unlikely for police to be about.  For sure there would be no mobile speed traps being used - budget cuts have ensured they are only deployed when it is profitable. At one point I decided to check the top speed of the new car but reached only 110 mph (177 kph) - the spec is 117 mph.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: rustynutz on May 19, 2012, 09:12:17
Nice to see the police have a sensible approach to speeding out on the highways, unlike here in Oz.... :goodjob:

Perhaps we would respect our police a little more too if there was some kind of acknowledgement that speed (over the posted speed limit) isn't the huge killer on our roads that they would have us believe.  :undecided:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 19, 2012, 09:31:08
I agree Rusty, most of the time I chose to drive slower, because I enjoy the ride.

Although higher speeds look appealing initially, with our population & the vast road distances required to be maintained, I doubt our roads would be capable of affording safe travel at higher speeds. That being the case why do the police have to ping us for a few k's over an already conservative speed limit.

If the road conditions, traffic level & due care is exercised, then they should leave us alone, like the police in the UK. TV, shows destroyed cars every night supposedly caused by speed. This is rubbish, speed doesn't kill (just like guns,  :mrgreen:) inexperienced, foolish hoon driving does.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on May 19, 2012, 09:44:11
At one point I decided to check the top speed of the new car but reached only 110 mph (177 kph) - the spec is 117 mph.

 :rofl: You crack me up Alan ..  :goodjob:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 19, 2012, 09:46:38
I've had in excess of 60 litres in my 53 litre tank on numerous occasions.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on May 19, 2012, 10:27:13
I've had in excess of 60 litres in my 53 litre tank on numerous occasions.

I just went out to the car - to find a diesel stain on my drive. The car has dripped a small amount of diesel overnight - so brimming it until the fuel is stationary in the filler neck without driving for a few miles immediately afterwards has a price. I dont think much was lost - a small amount of diesel on a tarmac drive after a night of rain looks worse than it really is.

For some reason my wife thinks she has misplaced our last bottle of washing up liquid............ :whistler:
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 19, 2012, 10:35:03
Yes, I always drive mine after brimming it. I'm hardly ever out of it anyway and while I was driving around in it today, I thought to myself, as a daily driver I don't think I can think of another car I've had that I'm as happy with after three years of ownership.
Sure, it has its (minor) faults, but I still enjoy getting into it and driving it every day and that must say something for the i30.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: bumpkin on May 19, 2012, 13:16:13
Just to point out Alan that points on your licence do not expire after 3 years anymore, it has been 4 years for quite some time now and of course, even when they come off after 4 years they still apply to insurance who need to know about them for 5 years.
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: AlanHo on July 28, 2012, 07:54:47
One of our new members who has a new i30 on order sent me a PM asking whether I had fitted proper front parking sensors to my car having read my diatribe about how useless the factory fitted ones are.

This reminded me that I had not reported the sequel on the forum - so here is a synopsis of the full story.

After taking delivery of the car in April I complained to the dealer that the front parking sensors were not working.
The dealer checked the car, contacted Hyundai head office and confirmed that they were in fact working - but because they were fitted behind the fog lights, they only detected hazards at the front corners. This was as the car was designed

I then complained to Hyundai that it was misleading to call them front parking sensors - because most of the front of the car was not within the detection zone - and asked for their advice on how I could get additional sensors added to the front of the car similar to those as standard on the i40.

After some correspondence where I made clear that I was prepared to pay for extra sensors - Hyundai eventually Emailed me with the statement that my car was as designed, the dealer had confirmed they were working as intended and that they did not offer any other front parking sensors for my model. They stated that this was their final word on the matter.

I then discovered that a company called Cobra supplied Hyundai with front parking sensor kits as an accessory for the i30 Classic and Active models - and via a third party I was given sight of the fitting instructions. I spotted that the instructions applied only to the Classic model (which has a plain grill) and not the Active model (which has a chrome bar grill like my Style model). I contacted Cobra and asked them whether they were aware of the anomaly - they were not - they had developed the kit based upon the sample car submitted to them by Hyundai.

I pointed out that Hyundai had created a situation where a customer buying the top of the range car got a "crippled" front parking sensor system with just 2 sensors, one at each corner, whereas customers buying a base model and paying extra for front sensors got a proper system with 4 sensors across the front of the car.

Cobra then contacted Hyundai who then submitted an Active model to Cobra so that the instructions could be amended to cover both models.

My annoyance was that Hyundai head Office had known from the start that they did supply a front sensor kit for the i30 but because their system recorded it as an accessory for the Classic and Active models they had not bothered to check whether it could be fitted to my Style model and had declined to help me.

So the bottom line is that I ran out of steam arguing with Hyundai and got the dealer to order the standard kit for the base model and they worked out themselves how to fit them.  Cobra had advised me that it was likely that the existing factory fitted sensors would have to be disconnected because the new system was stand-alone with a separate audible alarm and not linked to the existing one which was connected to the instrument display. They were concerned that the systems would "clash" and interfere with one another. However - at my request the dealer did not disconnect the existing sensors and we found that the two systems work in harmony.

The end result is that the factory fitted system is very effective in looking after the front corner of the car and sideways in the area of the front wheel which is useful when reversing out from between adjacent parked cars by warning if you swing the front over too quickly.
The new system covers the whole of the front of the car and part way round the corners and has a much longer detection range than the standard one. It even detects high kerbs as you approach them. And so it should - it costs £300

So my message to anyone buying an i30 with factory fitted front parking sensors is that they should be aware that they cover only the front corners of the car and that they have a very limited detection range. If they need a full system to protect the front of the car - get the dealer to fit the official Hyundai kit for the Active model (at extra cost) even though it is not listed by Hyundai as applicable to the Style model. It works great and in harmony with the factory fitted ones.

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Dazzler on July 28, 2012, 08:51:13
 :goodjob: Thanks Alan..Won't help me but may help others...
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 28, 2012, 09:25:13
The above post probably fits into the file marked "Useful Information For Potential Owners."  :goodjob2:

Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: bumpkin on July 30, 2012, 22:20:38
That is incredible, why can't they just fit the same system as the i40 (which works brilliantly)??
Title: Re: My New 2012 i30 - First Impressions - Members Responses
Post by: wayne on May 30, 2013, 17:52:13
Excellent article and really helpful to us new i30 owners.   :cool: :cool:
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