i30 Owners Club
FUEL ISSUES & ECONOMY => DIESEL => Topic started by: ouri30 on November 25, 2008, 09:04:38
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This afternoon I drove into the garage with the total trip distance of 1402km (1000 + 402.2) on one tank.
I knew it could be done. My estimation is that I could still do approximately 30km more.
Trip computer is showing 4.1 litres / 100km with an average speed of 68km for the tank. I'll be doing manual calculation for the fuel economy tomorrow.
Bob
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Nice one Bob. In UK money that would be around 871 miles. Startling.
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Well done Bob... I don't think it could be done in Tasmania (too many hills)
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Currently sitting on 3.5lt/100km
I'm going to do one better! :mrgreen:
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Currently sitting on 3.5lt/100km
I'm going to do one better! :mrgreen:
I'm sure you will Thumper.
Remember. I was the first forum member to get there and in a fully standard i30 CRDi without any mods to any part of the vehicle excepting for the addition of the Scanguage II.
Just thought I would mention those few points.
Bob
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I have the stock exhaust on right now.
Only difference is, I have the torque booster set to max.
When I get past 1400km, I'll remove the torque booster and run bog stock standard. (Testing to see what does and doesn't work)
:mrgreen:
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I have the stock exhaust on right now.
Only difference is, I have the torque booster set to max.
When I get past 1400km, I'll remove the torque booster and run bog stock standard. (Testing to see what does and doesn't work)
:mrgreen:
I think we would be all interested in the improvements to economy from your little device. I know I was seriously interested in the tuning chip from one company (DPChip, from memory) until I saw the price. From what you have already posted (and Shambles), significant gains are possible.
Keep us informed.
Bob
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So how high are we going to set the bar now? 1500? Skys the limit :biggrin:
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Ok, I'll aim for 1500km
60lt x 3.5lt/100km = 1714km
Let's see if it can be done.
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cough manual drivers pissing contest cough
As for your Hills' Dazza, just cut the engine at the top and roll down! Free km's!!! lol.
As for Thumper's 1700km/tank - you know I could last 2 1/2 months on that sort of economy? Mind blowing.
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well done Bob, how many liters did it take to fill up the tank?
thats a good average speed. i'm only getting about 25kph average speed right now in Syd, still get 1,100 from a tank easy so happy.
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well done Bob, how many liters did it take to fill up the tank?
thats a good average speed. i'm only getting about 25kph average speed right now in Syd, still get 1,100 from a tank easy so happy.
Lakes,
Haven't filled up yet. Car is still garaged. I will put in 11 litres this morning, drive about 160km or so today and then fill up. Will post results later today.
Average speed is easy out here as I don't have many towns to drive through. I reckon I could have got further and had a higher average speed if it hadn't been for my trip on Monday where I had to drive around in some built up areas and heavier traffic for quite a while.
Bob
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Oh, looks like I've not come across as I was intended to. :-[
I'm impressed with 1,400km for the tank, since I haven't really done an economical drive for an entire tank. (After 1,100km I normally just give up and hoon with the rest of the traffic) :lol:
A friendly ribbing and try to see who can get the best per tank is an enjoyable challenge for me. :biggrin:
I also wish to see certain mods (Tuningbox, exhaust, tyre pressures) will help with economy.
If I can get 1,400km per tank, I'll be happy. :razz:
If I hit 1,500km for the tank, I will be over the moon! :lol: (Then ouri30 can see if he can crack that figure :biggrin:)
I think it's great that most of us here, who have purchased the i30 diesel for it's economy are actually interested in obtaining the best economy from their vehicles. (Not just increasing power :wink:) :razz:
Though I will say, it'll be interesting to see what sort of difference the the mods will have on economy. (Yes, after this tank I will go back to bog stock standard and try again) :mrgreen:
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Just a couple of economy questions...
I am sitting on about 6.2L/100 according to my trip computer and by my calculations have been getting around 800-850km/tank - in total i've done 1300KM thus far. I have not been hooning whatsoever, I've been taking it very gently.
How can I get the trip computer down to 5L/100km and below? Is this just a matter of time? Most of the kms clocked up thus far have been on 100-110km/h roads in 4th/5th gear... surely my economy should be better? Should I be doing something differently on the highways? I was trying to make sure my revs were between 2000 and 4000 as per the 'running in' instructions in the owners manual.
Ideas?
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Ok, first of all I have 30,000km on the clock.
Second of all, I try not to go above 2000rpm whatsoever!
Thirdly, lift off the throttle and coast along in 5th gear as much as possible. The injectors shut down, so no fuel is going into the engine.
Short trips while the engine is cold uses the most fuel.
Try running a higher tyre pressure (Around 36-38psi when cold seems to be about right for most of us)
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Hmm, I tried 5th gear yesterday under 2000RPM and the engine laboured... did not like it at all.
Maybe I was doing something wrong :S
When you say get to 5th and talk foot off the accelerator, I assume this would involve speeding up, taking foot off the accelerator and slowly going down in speed then speeding up again?
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I can engage 5th at 1,500rpm with no issues (Go under 1,500rpm in 5th causes some 'jerking or shuddering' in a stock i30 CRDi. I do not suffer with that problem in mine, now)
Your engine just could be still a little 'tight' :P
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Oh, looks like I've not come across as I was intended to. :-[
I'm impressed with 1,400km for the tank, since I haven't really done an economical drive for an entire tank. (After 1,100km I normally just give up and hoon with the rest of the traffic) :lol:
A friendly ribbing and try to see who can get the best per tank is an enjoyable challenge for me. :biggrin:
I also wish to see certain mods (Tuningbox, exhaust, tyre pressures) will help with economy.
If I can get 1,400km per tank, I'll be happy. :razz:
If I hit 1,500km for the tank, I will be over the moon! :lol: (Then ouri30 can see if he can crack that figure :biggrin:)
I think it's great that most of us here, who have purchased the i30 diesel for it's economy are actually interested in obtaining the best economy from their vehicles. (Not just increasing power :wink:) :razz:
Though I will say, it'll be interesting to see what sort of difference the the mods will have on economy. (Yes, after this tank I will go back to bog stock standard and try again) :mrgreen:
:evil: I haven't got a problem with your posts Thumper and I hope you haven't with mine. :mrgreen:
Seriously, it's good banter and a bit of motivation.
Have to agree, it is hard to keep doing the economy for the full tank. I did all right going to work during the week, but the weekend trip to golf and the Monday trip to a meeting in the metro area and through the hills messed it up a bit, but I still managed to get to 1402 km before topping up this morning from a jerry can. Should have been able to get further but for those two trips messing it up. I think I would have been a bit aof a nuisance going down the Great Eastern Freeway into Adelaide at economy speed.
Also, filled up today and squeezed in 54.8 litres, plus the 11 litres from the jerry can for a total of 65.8 litres and a total trip of 1594 km. By my calculations that is 4.13 LPH. The last 192km was done at highway speed.
Doing a little maths, I have calculated that I am able to squeeze in about 59 litres when the tank is full.
As to the 1500km challenge. Come on Thumper, you can do it.
Bob
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Just about to go out for a drive,
I will do the 1500 RPM challenge and report back :)
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The car didn't like changing at 1500 rpm. It would do it but laboured, not fiercely, but no power to pull away till it would get to around 1800rpm. Changing at around 1700-2000rpm seems to work best for me.
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The car didn't like changing at 1500 rpm. It would do it but laboured, not fiercely, but no power to pull away till it would get to around 1800rpm. Changing at around 1700-2000rpm seems to work best for me.
I don't change at 1500 rpm. That is a little slow. I get the car up to about 80kph and then change. It is possible to drive at 1500 rpm on flat road, but I would never try to pull away at that speed, but rather just ease it along and slowly accelerate - in fact, listen to and feel the car - become one with it. Hope my wife doesn't read this (or my girls) - they all think I'm in love with it. They keep telling me it's not a Porche and therefore not sexy and I should calm down.
Bob
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They keep telling them it is not a Porche and therefore not sexy and I should calm down.
Bob
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My wife is saying the exact same thing! "It's a Hyundai, why are you wasting money on spoiler/neon-footspace/light-upgrade/debadging"
I'm going to do a trip from Sydney to Melbourne soon in my little Charade, and probably another after Christmas in the i30, and compare the economy and distance and time... my i30 will be an Auto Petrol, so lets see how that economy compares on such a long distance...
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Nice work Bob
:)
Has anyone seen the latest Top Gear UK?
They did an economy run with a Diesel Polo, Diesel Suburu Wagon and a v6 twin turbo jag and were only allowed one tank of fuel.
The trip was 750 miles. All cars made it, and each of them had fuel lights on, gauge on empty and DTE on empty. But they travelled something like an extra 20-30 miles or something.
It was a really good ep. So I reckon the i30 could definitely get more if you were to go to that extreme.
What was interesting though, is the Jag had nothing left on the DTE and when they examined the fuel tank, they calculated they could still have travelled approx 130miles!
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The car didn't like changing at 1500 rpm. It would do it but laboured, not fiercely, but no power to pull away till it would get to around 1800rpm. Changing at around 1700-2000rpm seems to work best for me.
I don't change at 1500 rpm. That is a little slow. I get the car up to about 80kph and then change. It is possible to drive at 1500 rpm on flat road, but I would never try to pull away at that speed, but rather just ease it along and slowly accelerate - in fact, listen to and feel the car - become one with it. Hope my wife doesn't read this (or my girls) - they all think I'm in love with it. They keep telling me it's not a Porche and therefore not sexy and I should calm down.
HAHA, My kids say the same thing. They reckon ifs its not a Ferrari, than its nothing to get excited about :lol:
Bob
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sorry Bob, I am not how I did that. The bit about the ferrari is my post :-[
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Fixed!
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700km, less than 1/4 used. Well on my way! :cool:
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I'm imagining Thumper is 500m from the next traffic lights when he sees it turning yellow - so he brakes a little and coasts so that he hits the line still moving when it goes green again... and all the traffic behind him screaming blue murder at him :P
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I'm imagining Thumper is 500m from the next traffic lights when he sees it turning yellow - so he brakes a little and coasts so that he hits the line still moving when it goes green again... and all the traffic behind him screaming blue murder at him :P
I'm not 'that' bad! :lol:
Ok gentle i30 folk, riddle me this, currently sitting on 3.8lt/100km (Indicated by the i30's own trip computer) yet I have not used half a tank of fuel for 928km traveled.
Even more surprising is, after re-reading the instructions that were sent to me, in German, and my basic understanding of German (6 months study, in Year 8 at school) I got the instructions horribly wrong!
I have had a Swiss friend who translated the documentation for me, properly, into English.
Ok, sitting down?
I am currently running the full power and full torque maps. (Have been for the entire tank)
I miss-interpreted several words and got the settings back to front. Instead of reducing the settings, I increased them (All within the allowed parameters for the engine and ECU)
So, this is the economy I am returning with increased power and torque settings. (Not the reduced, like I had intended!)
I also have a strange feeling that this is causing the lt/100km to read incorrectly.
I am still running the factory stock exhaust.
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2563/10049411ry6.jpg)
Thoughts anyone?
Because now I'm starting to get rather confused, either I am returning BLOODY fantastic economy, or something is not reading correctly! :eek:
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Hi Thumper.
Better have some diesel in a jerry can just in case (reckon the warning light will still come on when she approaches empty...)
I reckon you got a blueprinted motor by accident!
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Hi Thumper.
Better have some diesel in a jerry can just in case (reckon the warning light will still come on when she approaches empty...)
I reckon you got a blueprinted motor by accident!
I have 10lt sitting in one of those Rheem plastic 10lt jobbies in the back, just in case. 8)
I'm wondering since I purchased a demo vehicle, one that probably has had the ring revved out of it from day one, it's running just right now?
Mine was run in with high RPM and full throttle take offs. :lol:
You would never buy an ex-demo petrol/performance vehicle, perchance that is a good thing when it comes to diesels? :mrgreen:
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You could be on to something there... My 1991 SSS Pulsar was a demo with 2500kms on the clock when I got it. It was a ripper and was one of the cars I traded that the dealership raved about as far as comparative performance went.
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Thumper, I don't think that the trip computer is that wrong. Here me out. Your tank is showing half full. Its a 53 litre tank so lets say that there is 26.5 litres in the tank. That means you have used 26.5 litres of fuel. But, you and I , and many other on the site know that you can fit a lot more than 53 litres in the tank. I have managed to put up to 60 litres in the tank, and there was still some in reserve. I reckon thats its possible to squeeze 62 litres in the i30 tank. Using this logic, you have used an additional 9 litre on top of the 26.5, so in actuality, you have used 35.5 litres of diesel. So dividing 928 by 35.5 gives you 26.1 kilometres per litre. Divide 100 by 26.1, and guess what, you get 3.8LP/100k. :biggrin:
So if you still have 26.5 litres in the tank, you should be good to go another 691klm. I think the 1500klm mark is in real danger :lol:
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(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5750/10049491ik4.jpg)
DTE went from 50km left to flashing at 25936km and just under 1/4 of a tank.
Still no low fuel warning light, yet.
Only 1,273km traveled.
Peak hour city and hills are killing my economy. :'(
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Geez... you might struggle to get the 1500 :question:
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Yeah, it's all turned sour since I'm only doing City peak hour driving now, and going up a fair few hills.
Would love to have an open road for the entire tank.
Though, if I crack 1,400km, I think that is a bloody good effort, since I am driving in traffic, in the city, in peak hour and traveling up and down hills, with 20% more power and torque being produced. (All with the stock exhaust)
Interesting the DTE is WAY out. :eek:
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On Sunday I got caught at every traffic light coming through Canberra (and the roadworks too)
If this is what you drive in daily, I can see how it effects your economy...lol
:rolleyes:
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Can you guys pls write an article on it for the front page, noting your economy tips, and any modifications? It might be easier than following a huge thread, and would be of tremendous help to the rest of us :) That'd be great!
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Good idea Oz,
I am not going to start it now, I'm going to bed :)
But someone more qualified might start a thread specifically on tips to improve economy, Bob, Thumper, this is your speciality.
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I'll help write something, later. Right now I need some sleep since I have a 6am start, all day at work, then a 400km drive down to the coast.
Debating if I should cut my losses and fill up, working out the economy, or take some fuel, since no one will be open by the time I drive through. (I'm sure there is no 24hr diesel South of Cooma)
Will work it out tomorrow.
Oh, yeah, will help write something on the weekend, whilst relaxing on the beach. :D
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If you're heading down into Vic, I think Cann River might be open 24/7, it's a Mobil but seeing as it's out the back of whoop whoop expect to pay a decent amount...........
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If you're heading down into Vic, I think Cann River might be open 24/7, it's a Mobil but seeing as it's out the back of whoop whoop expect to pay a decent amount...........
It's ok, he only need's 2 litres to get him from that stop to ... Hobart?
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Har har har! :lol:
Heading down to Mallacoota, so yes, hopefully I'll make it to Cann River (The truck stop there is 24hr)
Just hope I make it between Cooma and Cann River without running out. (10lt in the jerry should be enough) :mrgreen:
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Right, I chickened out at 1450.1km DTE had been flashing for 268km, fuel gauge was way under E with the low fuel light on.
I filled up in Canberra, Diesel was $1.399 (Had a 8c/lt off docket so worked out to be $1.319/lt)
I used 58.78lt for 1450.1km
3.9lt/100km indicated
4.0lt/100km actual.
I could have gone further! :lol:
Oh well, welcome to the 1400km club! :cool:
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nice work Thumper. 1500 another day.
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Close..but no cigar :lol:
No, well done Thumper, thats the new club record.
I reckon if you could only get 58.8 litres in the tank at refill, there may have been another 2-3 litres of diesel still at your disposal. Could have been very close if you had pushed on. I would chickened too mind you :lol:
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Close..but no cigar :lol:
No, well done Thumper, thats the new club record.
I reckon if you could only get 58.8 litres in the tank at refill, there may have been another 2-3 litres of diesel still at your disposal. Could have been very close if you had pushed on. I would chickened too mind you :lol:
I woulda driven it dry, and used the jerry can. 300kms in a 10L bottle... Who wants to play chicken with me?
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I actually packed the jerry under everything, since the car was full with all our gear, heading off to the coast.
Funny enough, after I filled up, driving through Canberra, had a steel grey i30 wanting to have a run from the lights. I just played with them, several times, overtaking them once on boost. :lol:
Having an extra 300kg's of gear and two people up, still had some 'fun' :D
Anyone else here with a steel grey i30, debadged in Canberra?
Next run long distance WITHOUT peak hour traffic, I believe I can crack 1,500km.
Just need others now to hit 1,400km :razz:
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I actually packed the jerry under everything, since the car was full with all our gear, heading off to the coast.
Funny enough, after I filled up, driving through Canberra, had a steel grey i30 wanting to have a run from the lights. I just played with them, several times, overtaking them once on boost. :lol:
Having an extra 300kg's of gear and two people up, still had some 'fun' :D
Anyone else here with a steel grey i30, debadged in Canberra?
Next run long distance WITHOUT peak hour traffic, I believe I can crack 1,500km.
Just need others now to hit 1,400km :razz:
Well I guess you could try and start another 1500 attempt when starting the Blue mountains, trip, should use about half a tank all up for you.
For me I'm onto my 3rd tank ever for my car, if the DTE is right and I run the tank bone dry I'd be able to crack the 1000km mark, but I'm not going to risk it. Seeing as my 1st (dealer supplied) and 2nd tank both got just over 750km mark and I'm already close to 850km on the 3rd I'm pretty happy.
Nothing compared to what your doing thumper, but still an exciting time for me.
I can't give a spilt between highway and city driving, but each tank has involved a drive from Newcastle to BM and/or return.
Regards
Daniel
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I actually packed the jerry under everything, since the car was full with all our gear, heading off to the coast.
Funny enough, after I filled up, driving through Canberra, had a steel grey i30 wanting to have a run from the lights. I just played with them, several times, overtaking them once on boost. :lol:
Having an extra 300kg's of gear and two people up, still had some 'fun' :D
Anyone else here with a steel grey i30, debadged in Canberra?
Next run long distance WITHOUT peak hour traffic, I believe I can crack 1,500km.
Just need others now to hit 1,400km :razz:
Wasn't me Thumper although its the sort of thing I would do :lol:
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Heh! I know it wasn't yours, had stockies on it. :lol:
That, and the person driving was at least twice your size! :eek:
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Right, I chickened out at 1450.1km DTE had been flashing for 268km, fuel gauge was way under E with the low fuel light on.
I filled up in Canberra, Diesel was $1.399 (Had a 8c/lt off docket so worked out to be $1.319/lt)
I used 58.78lt for 1450.1km
3.9lt/100km indicated
4.0lt/100km actual.
I could have gone further! :lol:
Oh well, welcome to the 1400km club! :cool:
Thumper,
I've been off line for a few days. Congratulations on the 1450.1km. That is some achievement.
Could you outline the mods you were using at the time? I suspect you had your little tuning gadget fitted and also, what exhaust were you using?
Most members should remember to compare apples with apples and not be too concerned if they don't achieve what you have achieved or I have achieved. Also, to achieve what I have is not an easy task because most of the members live and drive in completely different circumstances to me. I have done in excess of 41 000km so I can not say I will get better fuel economy when the motor is run in.
I have found that when I drive at or near speed limits on the open road and do some driving in buit up areas with a passenger load, 4.5 to 4.6 is a more realistic fuel economy figure for me. Drive ecoomically, and I can get around 4.0 - 4.1. On a long trip with passengers and a full luggage load, I get between 4.9 and 5.0.
Now you seem to be getting well in excess of what i get and also what others get. You either have an exceptional car (one out of the box that comes along from time to time) or your mods are assisting economy. What do you think?
I'll still claim the highest (1402.2km) for a stock standard i30 CRDi with no mods (unless you had no mods fitted) plus the first to get to the 1400km without or with mods.
Bob
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Heh! I know it wasn't yours, had stockies on it. :lol:
That, and the person driving was at least twice your size! :eek:
Twice my age, he was an old bugger than :lol:
And trying to burn you off at the lights. Honestly, old people these days :lol:
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Rubix hands ET a pair of reading glasses.
Try again bucko! :lol:
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Twice your size not age. :lol:
ouri30, only mod is the tuningbox with the wrong settings. (I misread the instructions and set maximum power AND torque. Not the lower settings for economy)
No other mods, stock exhaust, stock wheels, normal diesel (Not using Caltex Vortex diesel)
Using a ScangaugeII to keep an eye on LPH, boost, intercooler air temp and engine load.
Even driving through Sydney city twice, during peak hour. (M5 carpark 1st gear stop/start all the way from the toll gates to the other side of the airport) Canberra peak hour for the entire week, and driving up and down hills to the Canberra i30 meet.
I will perform an economy drive without the tuning box soon, with no other mods except for the ScangaugeII so I can keep an eye on things.
Yes, you were the first to crack 1,400km. Congrats. :D
Now lets see if 1,500km can be done. :razz:
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Rubix hands ET a pair of reading glasses.
Try again bucko! :lol:
Yeah OK...Egg on my face. :-[
I should learn to read. :lol: