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Title: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on January 17, 2013, 09:08:29
Hi,

I have had a problem with my car for about 500km's now and was wondering if anyone knows what might be happening before I hand it to Hyundai to investigate:

When accelerating at a normal or harder than normal (like taking off at lights getting up to 80km/h, or through a round-a-bout), as the engine passes through 1800-2000 rev range the car labours and vibrates.  It doesn't happen in 1st or 2nd but usually after changing from 2nd (2500RPM) into 3rd (drops to 1500RPM) and the higher gears.  Also when in 5th at 80km/h, going up hills that the car would normally find ok, I now have to drop down a gear (I'm Wollongong based for those who know of Mt Ousley), and the same with some 60km/h hills.  Sometimes the vibrations go through the steering wheel and the dash shakes.  If I accelerate like a granny, it doesn't show the symptoms, but still the lacking in power in the range lower than 2000RPM.

Any thoughts?

The dealer said that it will cost me $130 if they find the problem is not warranty related (like fuel or air filter).

The air filter looks a little dirty, which I will be changing tomorrow, but the light hasn't come on for any water in the fuel filter.  I've been filling up at the same servo for the past 22000km's and have had no problems yet.

Thanks

Car is a 2011 CRDI CW.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Pip on January 17, 2013, 09:40:06
Dump the dealer... that's a poor response.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on January 17, 2013, 10:01:55
Dump the dealer... that's a poor response.

Not good ..  :disapp: (I'm guessing you don't have an alternative dealer in Wollongong though)

Hopefully we can come up with some suggestions that will help diagnose it  :undecided:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on January 17, 2013, 11:04:21
Yeah unfortunately there are only 2 Hyundai dealers in Wollongong, so no choice.

We'll see if anyone comes up with any suggestions, otherwise I will report the problem here for future reference.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on January 17, 2013, 11:12:41
It does sound like a fuel system issue to me (but more likely one covered by the warranty)  :cool:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Pip on January 17, 2013, 11:24:30
Yeah unfortunately there are only 2 Hyundai dealers in Wollongong, so no choice.
Huh? :confused:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: komaterpillar on January 17, 2013, 12:04:06
Gday 

This is an odd one, my first thoughts are that because the check engine light hasn't come up it makes me think it may be a mechanical failure of some sort, as in something has failed that the ecu can't pick up and all it's inputs are still within the parameters. 

First thing that springs to mind might be the stepper motor that controls the variable geometry turbo may have failed or the link between the stepper motor and the ring of secondary vanes in the turbo may have failed. This would give the symptoms that you describe ie. fine in 1st and 2nd, but problematic in higher gears (under normal driving you would require minimal boost, but higher gears labour the engine more requiring more boost).

Also supporting this is how you say that if you drive it like a granny the problem is not there ie. don't require boost.

The vibrating I think is just the engine laboring because quite simply without the boost it's not making enough ponies.

You say it's worst between 1800 and 2000 and upwards from there, wich is when it would be making some real boost

If this is the problem, I doubt it would bring up a check engine light because the ecu would still think its turning the stepper motor, but it may throw a code something along the lines of "MAP sensor out of range" or something similar

Could also be a dud MAP sensor not seeing the boost being created, and therefore not telling the ecu to increase the fuel rate to suit wich would also sit well with your symptoms. this probably wouldn't bring up the check engine light but would almost definitely throw a code.

So in my opinion it's boost related

Either way both of these should be warranty.

Just an assumption but, I doubt it's fuel related because your first indicator would of been the fuel light, wich would tell you either your filter is clogged or there's water in the water trap, and this hasn't happened. 

My course of action would be, if worried about Hyundai stinging you $130 just to diagnose it (if it's not warranty) would be shop around at independent mechanics and get them to plug in a scan tool and see what's going on, should only be about 50 bucks. Then go to Hyundai with the results.

Good luck 

*also just thought it could be the EGR valve carboned up and stuck open, this would make it underpowered and probably wouldn't throw a code or check engine light.

Fingers crossed for something simple
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on January 17, 2013, 12:11:40
 :Agoodpost: :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on January 17, 2013, 12:12:46
I'd say EGR, sounds almost exactly like the symptoms I had in my Fiat diesel when the EGR clogged up.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: komaterpillar on January 17, 2013, 12:20:52
Anyone know if a carboned up EGR is under warranty? Because really the valve hasn't failed it's just full of shite. Reckon they would would try and claim wear and tear from driving style or something else?
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on January 17, 2013, 12:27:23
Anyone know if a carboned up EGR is under warranty? Because really the valve hasn't failed it's just full of shite. Reckon they would would try and claim wear and tear from driving style or something else?

I guess there may be an argument in that the valve should be designed & made not to crud up... but thats a toughie... however some smart ass devised a blocking plate for the 1.9 diesel Fiat engine with 3 holes drilled in it. It was called a "swirl gasket" and was fitted in-line with the EGR to speed up gas flow & reduce the amount of carbon that could settle in the valve itself. Others just blocked the EGR off leading to endless debate about the impacts of doing that to both the engine AND the environment.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Shambles on January 17, 2013, 12:54:30
Well, as the EGR valve doesn't form part of any service schedule I've ever had, I would imagine it's not meant to clog up, and should be desooted under warranty.

But I like the boost theory too :D

Great posts Brett, me old boostmeister ;)
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on January 17, 2013, 13:18:47
"as the EGR valve doesn't form part of any service schedule I've ever had, I would imagine it's not meant to clog up, and should be desooted under warranty.

Good luck with that Steve!
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: eye30 on January 17, 2013, 14:58:07
Besides what has been posted isn't there a system in place that restricts rpm/speed, sort of get me home system, if there is an engine problem.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on January 17, 2013, 15:25:25
Besides what has been posted isn't there a system in place that restricts rpm/speed, sort of get me home system, if there is an engine problem.

Limp Home mode?
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: eye30 on January 17, 2013, 15:29:36
Besides what has been posted isn't there a system in place that restricts rpm/speed, sort of get me home system, if there is an engine problem.

Limp Home mode?

Yes that's the phrase I was looking for --- Thanks Ff
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: komaterpillar on January 17, 2013, 20:55:44
wouldn't limp home mode bring up the check engine light?

i don't think its limp home mode because it derates the engine to a preset rpm. whereas i understand the OP's engine goes through the whole rev range, just with no power.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on January 17, 2013, 21:05:18
Thanks guys.

komaterpillar: I was thinking that there could be something wrong with the turbo, as it is in the range when it should come on.

The guy at the service place didn't mention ERG valves when I asked him what wasn't covered by warranty - he only mentioned fuel and air filter.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: ouri30 on January 18, 2013, 03:17:09
wouldn't limp home mode bring up the check engine light?

Not sure about this.  Back in 2008 ouri30 went into limp home mode and there was no engine warning light.  It was before I had a Scangauge so I couldn't check for errors. (It ended up being a faulty sensor in the fuel filter that registered air in the fuel that wasn't there.)

What I am saying is, not all errors activate the warning light.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on January 24, 2013, 06:46:17
Just got the car back from the dealer.  They could not find a problem with the engine, and that it was working fine.

They did fix the indicators as both flash as it autmatically switches off, and am getting a new radio because it gets 10 minutes fast within 2 weeks.

I'll keep driving like I have been and I guess if there's damage or anything then they had been warned.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on January 24, 2013, 06:59:02
Just got the car back from the dealer.  They could not find a problem with the engine, and that it was working fine.

Sound very frustrating to me. Maybe we have an active member that lives near you that has a similar vehicle so you can do a comparison with their help  :idea:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Doggie 1 on January 24, 2013, 07:39:55
Just got the car back from the dealer.  They could not find a problem with the engine, and that it was working fine.

Sound very frustrating to me. Maybe we have an active member that lives near you that has a similar vehicle so you can do a comparison with their help  :idea:

Great idea.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on January 24, 2013, 23:26:21
yeah I was thinking about finding a smiliar car at a car yard to take for a test drive to see what it does.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on January 25, 2013, 00:23:58
yeah I was thinking about finding a smiliar car at a car yard to take for a test drive to see what it does.

That's a good idea too.. :goodjob:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: panda on January 26, 2013, 02:43:37
I live near you and haven't taken mine up Mt Ousley yet. My Mum drove the new petrol version up there to test drive it before she bought it without a problem. Neither of us own the diesel model though. I think your idea of taking another one for a test drive to compare is a good one :)
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on July 20, 2013, 01:32:28
Update:

Haven't had time to test drive another car over the past 6 months, but did get the car serviced yesterday at Kmart.

I mentioned to the mechanic about the problem so he could check it out on his test drive.

They were able to replicate the problem of the labouring/vibration between 1300-2000RPM, which was good, and they have written it on the invoice.

So now I can book into Hyundai for this recall with the switch, and for them to fix the problem.  At least then, they cannot try and charge me for their time.

If it takes longer than a day to find and fix, then I will be demanding a loan car so I can get to work.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on August 02, 2013, 08:14:07
Another update:

I booked the car into Wollongong Hyundai for today and when I dropped the car off the mechanic suggested that he would go for a drive in it up Mt Ousley (with me in passenger seat).

Anyway, he did notice this vibration coming from the car, and he did some harder driving etc..  and could replicate what I experience.

I left the car with them (appt. was for 8am) and they said to come back at 12noon.  I came back when told, only to find out that they had only allocated 1 hour to look at the problem, and they couldn't find what was causing it and for me to book in again so they could have more time to look at it...  I said to them why did I need to come back at 12noon when they could have kept looking for the cause??????  their reply: they were booked out...

I just don't get them... now I have to waste another day in dropping the car off to them and a day without a car.  They outright refused to give me a courtesy car as they cannot tell me if it is warranty related or not (and they still pointed out they want to charge if they don't find it warranty related!).  I suggested they can pick up the car from my work (leaving their car there) and drop it off at the end of the day - an out right no to that one as well.

It could be another 6 months before I get time to drop the car of and waste a day, and they said that's fine - I have plenty of warranty left....

Strange people that work for Hyundai.

oh and the main thing that the car went in for was to replace this faulty switch that I had the recall from and they didn't even do that, which I demanded them to do at the very least "it only takes 15 minutes to replace" (/me bashing my head against a brick wall....)

anyway: my rant is over, now to look at when I can book in next... next thing they will tell me is that it is not a warranty problem.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2013, 08:36:31
That is downright disgraceful behaviour. You need to report this to the Dealer Principal and give him the opportunity to fix. If he is unable, then report to Hy Head Office, they don't deserve the franchise. Look for somewhere else to go as well.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: rustynutz on August 02, 2013, 08:49:35
While I feel your pain I do see the dealer's side of things too.

They have other customers who also think they should have priority so it's a constant juggling act to try to keep everyone happy.

As for the switch, unless it's actually failed there is no real rush to swap it over. Basically wouldn't you prefer they spent the allotted time fixing or at least attempting to fix the vibration problem than wasting part of that time replacing the switch?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on August 02, 2013, 09:02:57
Unfortunately only 2 HY dealers around - Wollongong and Albion Park Rail (who 7 months ago said the car drove fine - ie: there was no problem).

As to the switch - there really is no indication from the drivers seat that the switch has failed as apparently it is connected to the brake lights (that's what my letter from HY said anyway.  In my eyes out of the 2 problems that the car went in for they did not even try and fix one of them - ie: the car may as well have stayed in the car park.

What did they expect to achieve in only 1 hour of fault finding? when 20mins of that was test driving.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Mike SX on August 02, 2013, 09:03:55
Apparently they work a system of "negative hours", meaning a Technician is allocated, for example, 44 hours work to be carried out in 39 hours, something has to give, ie. the customer.

Should be renamed "FOB OFF" the customer time.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2013, 09:26:30
Rusty, in this case it is obviously very inconvenient to make the car available for inspection / repair, due to work commitments. Customer service requires a degree of empathy toward the customer and a plan to resolve customer problems in a realistic time frame. Sure, dealers have other customers and I accept that it is a difficult process to keep everyone happy. Regardless of this, any behaviour that reflects badly on the brand, is a breakdown in customer service.

You may recall recently, I brought 1 of our cars in for rough starting. Glow plugs were replaced, but to no avail. Eventually, the car was there for a week unexpectedly, to have all injectors tested and replaced, somehow, they fitted the car in and managed to give a loan car for that period. That's what I call customer service.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Mike SX on August 02, 2013, 09:55:48
I can remember Dazz recommending that an odometer reading was taken, and chalk marks placed on the tyres - to see if the vehicle had actually been moved :lol:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on August 02, 2013, 10:38:46
I can remember Dazz recommending that an odometer reading was taken, and chalk marks placed on the tyres - to see if the vehicle had actually been moved :lol:

 :goodjob:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Hornet on August 04, 2013, 10:33:07
Would "Injector Cleaner" be worth a try?
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on August 04, 2013, 10:39:07
There have been comments, that injector cleaner applied at too high a frequency, can cause premature high pressure fuel pump wear due to lack of lubrication. :Dunno:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on August 05, 2013, 11:54:08
Yes I have put in injector cleaner in twice so far at 10,000km intervals. Didn't make any difference.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 08, 2013, 09:53:26
Car went in on Friday, only to find out they didn't have any record of the appointment I booked and had their confirmation letter with me (but they did have an appointment for Monday which i didn't book) Lucky for them they looked at my car or I would have blown up.

I drove it win the mechanic in the car before leaving.  Had a call to pick up car and on picking it up, the suspect the turbo charger, but are not 100% sure, but are going to replace it anyway.  They said they have only done 2 turbos before, and are going to contact me once they ring head office.


After the last booking where they only had the car for an hour, I received a standard "hope our service was up to your standards" email, and I sent back a lengthy email that basically there was no service as they didn't do anything, and that nothing was said to me that they would have the car for only 1 hour - he replied to say that 1 hour is standard for first appointment.  If their 1 hour was standard for first bookings when they are fault finding, then that should have been communicated to the customer.

Also, his reply about the loan cars is for "loyal" customers who get their car serviced with them, and as I haven't done that, then I can get a loan car for $100 per day.

Anyway, we'll see what happens next.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 08, 2013, 10:03:55
Also, his reply about the loan cars is for "loyal" customers who get their car serviced with them, and as I haven't done that, then I can get a loan car for $100 per day.

Anyway, we'll see what happens next.

Crap, how do they expect to get "loyal" customers with a policy like that.

My friend needed a repair last week on his car. No loan car available, so the service manager GAVE him his car, while the other was repaired. It was only about 1.5 hours, but it's the goodwill and flexibility that the customer remembers.

If I were you, I'd be telling them that you expect better.  :fum:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Just Rick on September 08, 2013, 12:02:27
Also, his reply about the loan cars is for "loyal" customers who get their car serviced with them, and as I haven't done that, then I can get a loan car for $100 per day.

Anyway, we'll see what happens next.

Crap, how do they expect to get "loyal" customers with a policy like that.

My friend needed a repair last week on his car. No loan car available, so the service manager GAVE him his car, while the other was repaired. It was only about 1.5 hours, but it's the goodwill and flexibility that the customer remembers.

If I were you, I'd be telling them that you expect better.  :fum:
first dealer we bought from Had NO courtesy cars to lend out,only had a courtesy mini bus,which will drop you to a destination and then later in the day come and pick you up(if you remind them)second dealer we bought from they have the same policy if you don't use them on a regualr basis you don't get a courtesy car,but like the first they will drop you off and pick you up.so not a one of thing Phil
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 08, 2013, 12:32:17
Gee, we must be "loyal" customers, had a new Ford for over a week once.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 09, 2013, 04:01:21
No hire car and no bus...

Anyway, just received a call from them, and they want the car for a few days next week to do more investigation.  Also they want receipts from my servicing as I went elsewhere to get both the 15,000 and 30,000km services done.  Which means copying the receipts from when I bought oil and filters too....

Surely a stamp in the logbook should be sufficient, or is this just more proof that it was done?

3 days without the car - luckily I have a backup car.

They reckon that they want to do this as they still suspect the turbo, but as they've only replaced 2 (one under warranty and the other not due to lack of correct servicing/oil used or something along these lines) they need more testing.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 09, 2013, 04:54:07
I'm smelling a dispute developing here. To justify a repair of turbo, I guess Hy require proof that the turbo has been lubricated and the car serviced correctly. Although you pay a premium at service time, they don't query any of this if you use their workshop. However, for a scheduled multi day requirement, they should be providing a vehicle IMO, it's called customer service. Is there another Hy dealer you could approach that can lend you a car :question:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 09, 2013, 05:25:54
The two HY dealers in Wollongong are both the same brand (City Motors) and operate the same.

I would either have to drive up to 40-60 mins either north or south to the next one.

I guess because I have saved around $600 in total on servicing, I can give them some leeway for not getting serviced there.

Problem with going elsewhere, I would then have to go through the same process of explaining the fault and for them to investigate.

They still quote the same "if the problem is not warranty related, then we will charge for time spent..." Phrase.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Asterix on September 09, 2013, 18:08:44

They still quote the same "if the problem is not warranty related, then we will charge for time spent..." Phrase.

I actually think it's a fair call from the dealer to let you know about this before you leave your car with them.

After all, they are correct to charge you if it's not warranty, and they do have a business to run, they can't survive if they have to work without payment for everybody. Don't believe they make big $$ on warranty work anyway.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 18, 2013, 07:32:38
Ok, so Hyundai wanted my car for a few days this week to do some more investigating, so it's been with them since Tuesday morning.

Had a call from them today saying that the mechanic has spent 2.5 hours on the car and driving it, and now suspects the problem is coming from the clutch area.

Also was told that they cannot continue until I accept that if the problem is the clutch plate which only has 12 months warranty on it and is out of warranty, then I will pay $2,400 for the replacement of the clutch plate. But if its something else in that area then it's covered by warranty.  This price is their normal charge of replacing the clutch.  I said that if they are definite that it is the clutch then I would be going somewhere else that doesn't charge the ridiculous prices.

I said that there should be no reason that the clutch plate has worn out as I'm a careful driver and that it should last at least 100,000 Kms.

It's frustrating that they cannot pinpoint the problem and it doesn't sound like the mechanics talk to anyone outside that centre.  Surely there are 1000s of HY mechanics and this problem has come up somewhere in Australia or the world.

I suggested that I won't get them to investigate and continue driving until something breaks, but they said that I cannot do that as that is then neglect.

I guess it's a risk of the slight chance that it is the clutch, and if they want to replace it, I will be demanding the original clutch to have it checked by an independent and see if there is a problem or needed replacing.  If it didn't then I will be contacting the MTA or someone to get compensation.

Also when picking up the car, I will be demanding to take it for a drive before paying anything to make sure the problem has gone.

My thinking is that it as it happens only at a certain rev range in different gears, then it has to be either the engine or anywhere up to the main drive shaft in the gear box as anything else after that is running at different speeds when the problem happens in each gear.

I don't know.. So much for warranty when all I'm getting is threats of high amounts of money.  Once this problem is fixed, I'd rather drive to Perth than go back to Wollongong City Motors.

Oh and they said that after pulling the gear box out and if they find everything ok, and continue looking, if in the end the problem is not warranty (their example is a bent drive shaft, which I said should be visible without all that work first) then I'm up for all their time leading up to them finding the cause, which is ridiculous.  Why should I have to pay for an incompetent mechanic...
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 18, 2013, 13:50:32
Very disappointed with that feedback from your dealer. No way a clutch replacement should cost that much. I'd be seeking an opinion and quote for the same work from a licensed mechanic. :fum:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: rustynutz on September 18, 2013, 15:15:31
:link: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EXEDY-CLUTCH-HYUNDAI-i30-1-6L-FD-D4FB-T-DIESEL-2007-ON-/160737473033?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256cb33209&_uhb=1)
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: eye30 on September 18, 2013, 15:19:16
:link: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EXEDY-CLUTCH-HYUNDAI-i30-1-6L-FD-D4FB-T-DIESEL-2007-ON-/160737473033?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256cb33209&_uhb=1)

Plus labour.

How much would that be?   2 hours,?.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Asterix on September 18, 2013, 19:10:27
:link: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EXEDY-CLUTCH-HYUNDAI-i30-1-6L-FD-D4FB-T-DIESEL-2007-ON-/160737473033?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256cb33209&_uhb=1)

Plus labour.

How much would that be?   2 hours,?.

I would like to see the guy who can dismantle the gearbox, replace the clutch, and fit the gearbox again in 2 hours.  :sweating:

i think 3-4 hours is needed.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: eye30 on September 18, 2013, 20:17:02
:link: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EXEDY-CLUTCH-HYUNDAI-i30-1-6L-FD-D4FB-T-DIESEL-2007-ON-/160737473033?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256cb33209&_uhb=1)

Plus labour.

How much would that be?   2 hours,?.

I would like to see the guy who can dismantle the gearbox, replace the clutch, and fit the gearbox again in 2 hours.  :sweating:

i think 3-4 hours is needed.

Don't you just split the box from the engine.
Remove old plate, put in new and join both back.

 No need to dismantle gearbox.


Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Asterix on September 18, 2013, 20:30:48
All cars I know off needs the gearbox removed from the car before you can enter the clutch.

Only exception is some old Opel's I've heard of which had a plate to be removed, then you could change the clutch.

There isn't room enough to get the gearbox far enough away from the engine.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 18, 2013, 22:50:09
The whole problem is they "think" the vibration is coming from that area, and don't know if it is the clutch until they dismantle.  If it is the clutch plate, I can't just say, "ok, put it back together and I will go else where" as they will charge for all labour anyway, which they said is about 5 hours work to replace clutch.

But yeah, still a lot of money, but they did quote me $132 per hour if it's not warranty though.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Surferdude on September 18, 2013, 23:10:50
:link: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/EXEDY-CLUTCH-HYUNDAI-i30-1-6L-FD-D4FB-T-DIESEL-2007-ON-/160737473033?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256cb33209&_uhb=1)

Plus labour.

How much would that be?   2 hours,?.

I would like to see the guy who can dismantle the gearbox, replace the clutch, and fit the gearbox again in 2 hours.  :sweating:

i think 3-4 hours is needed.

Don't you just split the box from the engine.
Remove old plate, put in new and join both back.

 No need to dismantle gearbox.
I think there might be a slight language problem here. I suspect asterix is using the word "dismantle" when he means disconnect and remove from the engine.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 19, 2013, 05:49:07
Good point with terminology.  I used distantle instead of disconnect.

Had a call from HY and they said that they have disconnected to find oil in the clutch area.  A seal isn't sealing from the gearbox.

So they said that they have ordered parts and will replaced the clutch under warranty as it is damaged from the oil.

Just waiting for a call back to confirm things.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: rustynutz on September 19, 2013, 06:01:52
Good news! Hope things go smoothly with the repair....  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 19, 2013, 07:41:23
Good result. so far !
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: eye30 on September 19, 2013, 08:22:12


Had a call from HY and they said that they have disconnected to find oil in the clutch area.  A seal isn't sealing from the gearbox.




Now why did the garage put you though all that - if its this then this etc $2400 please. 

Result!
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Mike SX on September 19, 2013, 09:17:00
Had a call from HY and they said that they have disconnected to find oil in the clutch area.  A seal isn't sealing from the gearbox.
Now why did the garage put you though all that - if its this then this etc $2400 please. 
Result!

They have become Worldwide Professional Experts at Anxiety Pangs  :(
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Asterix on September 19, 2013, 20:00:37
Good point with terminology.  I used distantle instead of disconnect.

Had a call from HY and they said that they have disconnected to find oil in the clutch area.  A seal isn't sealing from the gearbox.

So they said that they have ordered parts and will replaced the clutch under warranty as it is damaged from the oil.

Just waiting for a call back to confirm things.

Now that's good news... :goodjob2:

Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on September 20, 2013, 10:44:54
Got my car back today.  So far so good.  No vibrations.

All under warranty.

So they tell me that it was the seal from the gearbox into the clutch housing that had failed.  They had to replace seals, main shaft in gearbox, clutch, pressure plate, clutch bearing, and machine flywheel.  Definitely did something to clutch as now the peddle has different feel.

So hopefully i won't have to replace clutch now until after the car has done 100,000km :)

Thanks guys for your feedback and support, and hopefully I won't have any major problems from now one (touch wood).
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Phil №❶ on September 20, 2013, 10:58:08
We hope so too, the model has a great reputation, all things considered.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on September 20, 2013, 12:19:02
 :wts: :happydance:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: rustynutz on September 20, 2013, 13:03:00
So hopefully i won't have to replace clutch now until after the car has done 100,000km :)

I'll be very disappointed if I have to replace mine within 300,000km... :undecided:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 20, 2013, 15:50:01
So hopefully i won't have to replace clutch now until after the car has done 100,000km :)

I'll be very disappointed if I have to replace mine within 300,000km... :undecided:

The way you drive, Rusty, your clutch will probably last for 500,000 kms.
Your suspension and tyres, however..... :whistler:
It makes me feel quite  :sicky: just thinking about it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Asterix on September 20, 2013, 17:16:53
So hopefully i won't have to replace clutch now until after the car has done 100,000km :)

I'll be very disappointed if I have to replace mine within 300,000km... :undecided:

 :whsaid:

Mine have now done 191.000 km and clutch is still fine... :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: rustynutz on September 21, 2013, 01:25:47
The way you drive, Rusty, your clutch will probably last for 500,000 kms.
Your suspension and tyres, however..... :whistler:
It makes me feel quite  :sicky: just thinking about it.  :lol:

 :whistler:  :-[
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Doggie 1 on September 21, 2013, 12:17:34
 :rofl:

Only being jocular.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on October 09, 2013, 12:01:20
Well, after a few weeks of having my car back there has been no signs of the problem.

However, not long after getting the car back, I noticed an oil smell, sometimes a hot oil smell as if it was burning off the engine, and sometimes the raw smell. 

Over the weekend, I did a tyre rotation, and noticed the whole plastic cover that is under the engine covered in oil.  My first thought was a lazy mechanic that didn't clean the cover after filling the gearbox back up, so I degreased it and put it back on.  This was done Monday morning.
 
Tonight (Wednesday) after driving for the past 2 days - only done about 100km's, there is oil back on it below the gearbox towards the front of the car.

Now I have to waste more of my time because (most likely) the mechanic either cut corners, or didn't tighten up something, or another seal has failed.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH HYUNDAI!
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on October 09, 2013, 12:15:47
Well, after a few weeks of having my car back there has been no signs of the problem.

However, not long after getting the car back, I noticed an oil smell, sometimes a hot oil smell as if it was burning off the engine, and sometimes the raw smell. 

Over the weekend, I did a tyre rotation, and noticed the whole plastic cover that is under the engine covered in oil.  My first thought was a lazy mechanic that didn't clean the cover after filling the gearbox back up, so I degreased it and put it back on.  This was done Monday morning.
 
Tonight (Wednesday) after driving for the past 2 days - only done about 100km's, there is oil back on it below the gearbox towards the front of the car.

Now I have to waste more of my time because (most likely) the mechanic either cut corners, or didn't tighten up something, or another seal has failed.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH HYUNDAI!
Not good! Assume you are carefully monitoring you engine oil level until it is sorted.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on October 09, 2013, 12:20:41
The stuff coming out is very clean, whereas the engine oil is quite black on the dipstick, and is at the full mark.

If I wipe the oil up with my finger it is like new.

But I always check it every week out of habit from my previous cars. :)
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on October 09, 2013, 14:53:15
!! Check the gearbox oil level urgently !!
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on October 09, 2013, 22:31:37
Just had a look at the owners manual and there is no dipstick for a manual transaxle, and is not on the owners responsibility list.  I'll just ring them up.  Cannot get the car there till sometime next week.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on October 09, 2013, 22:34:32
Yep it's just a "measured quantity" that is added from empty, not the usual fill until it overflows arrangement.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on October 10, 2013, 00:11:39
Just popped into HY during my break, and they hoisted it to find it's leaking from the reversing switch in the gear box.  Leaking through it, not around it.  Parts ordered and booked in next Friday to fix.
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Dazzler on October 10, 2013, 01:43:00
Just popped into HY during my break, and they hoisted it to find it's leaking from the reversing switch in the gear box.  Leaking through it, not around it.  Parts ordered and booked in next Friday to fix.

 :goodjob: I think  :confused:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: eye30 on October 10, 2013, 08:42:50
Just popped into HY during my break, and they hoisted it to find it's leaking from the reversing switch in the gear box.  Leaking through it, not around it.  Parts ordered and booked in next Friday to fix.

Winder if they knocked it during service
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Keith on October 10, 2013, 10:29:43
Just popped into HY during my break, and they hoisted it to find it's leaking from the reversing switch in the gear box.  Leaking through it, not around it.  Parts ordered and booked in next Friday to fix.

Winder if they knocked it during service

God only knows but it sure seems jinxed!
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: Asterix on October 10, 2013, 18:57:08
Just popped into HY during my break, and they hoisted it to find it's leaking from the reversing switch in the gear box.  Leaking through it, not around it.  Parts ordered and booked in next Friday to fix.

I've seen that happen before, just with oil pressure sensors. Good thing is it's not a serious fault that requires half the car to be replaced.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Labouring/lack of power
Post by: h20melon on October 12, 2013, 10:32:37
Yeah they probably Did bump it when putting the gear box back in.  I could have kept driving until the gearbox was empty of oil which at the rate it's coming out. Probably would have only taken about a month.

But then again, the owners manual says to regularly check for any oil leaks, etc... When checking oil level, etc..
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