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OFF TOPIC => WORLD NEWS => General => Topic started by: Dazzler on April 08, 2013, 07:57:11
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There have been a few discussions on here about number plate recognition and other tools police are using to catch idiots.
I thought this was an interesting article worth sharing (don't think anyone has beat me to it)
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/hightech-wheels-give-drivers-blues-20130405-2hc5u.html (http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/hightech-wheels-give-drivers-blues-20130405-2hc5u.html)
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A brilliant article. There should be more of those hi-tech cop cars around this area.
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That's what we've got over here.
They recently took delivery of, I think, 48 of them.
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Top stuff.
Oh. But the "human rights" people will no doubt complain about "Big Brother".
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From the article....
In a run of eight parked cars, four are unregistered or owned by unlicensed drivers
A licence isn't required to register a car...
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Top stuff.
Oh. But the "human rights" people will no doubt complain about "Big Brother".
Sorry now that you have opened the door,IMO there are far far too many soft C#*K human rights PPL around, bring on more tech to catch the(lets say for a kinder word)silly PPL
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From the article....
In a run of eight parked cars, four are unregistered or owned by unlicensed drivers
A licence isn't required to register a car...
It means the drivers don't have a driver's licence.
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How's that, Dave? :undecided:
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How's that, Dave? :undecided:
It is saying that out of eight cars, four of the cars were either unregistered (no vehicle licence) or the drivers didn't have a driver's licence.
So there were four offences detected out of eight "hits."
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Guess it depends on how you read it.... :undecided:
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Guess it depends on how you read it.... :undecided:
Not really. Unregistered cars or unlicensed drivers, meaning they either don't have a driver's licence at all (never held) or are suspended/disqualified.
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But it's not an offence to own a registered car when you don't hold a licence... :undecided:
These cars where parked so unless the unlicenced person was caught in charge of the vehicle surely there is no offence?
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But it's not an offence to own a registered car when you don't hold a licence... :undecided:
These cars where parked so unless the unlicenced person was caught in charge of the vehicle surely there is no offence?
Very true.
But the system is just sending out an alert of possible offenders.
The chances are that they were driven there by the owner (so you could sit off and wait for them to move) but not necessarily so.
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But it's not an offence to own a registered car when you don't hold a licence... :undecided:
These cars where parked so unless the unlicenced person was caught in charge of the vehicle surely there is no offence?
Good point.My mother owned a car for many many years and she never once in her life held a license,years ago when she went in to license the car in her name,when dad bought it there was a big hoo har,the PPL at licensing were convinced she didn;t have the right to a licensed car,even after all there questioning,made her more determined to have the family car in her name,I for the life of me could never understand it either,I don't think I even seen mum even sit in the driver seat,even when the car was parked
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But it's not an offence to own a registered car when you don't hold a licence... :undecided:
These cars where parked so unless the unlicenced person was caught in charge of the vehicle surely there is no offence?
Good point.My mother owned a car for many many years and she never once in her life held a license,years ago when she went in to license the car in her name,when dad bought it there was a big hoo har,the PPL at licensing were convinced she didn;t have the right to a licensed car,even after all there questioning,made her more determined to have the family car in her name,I for the life of me could never understand it either,I don't think I even seen mum even sit in the driver seat,even when the car was parked
Even kids should be able to own a car. Nothing to stop them.
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Many pensioners who own more than one vehicle will register one in their partner's name so as to get cheap rego... :D
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or the drivers didn't have a driver's licence.
Parked so no drivers
Also,
The unlicensed owner may not be the person who drives the car.
There is a person I know who owns a car but has no license and does not drive it.
Their son drives it with them as passenger
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Many pensioners who own more than one vehicle will register one in their partner's name so as to get cheap rego... :D
Only allowed one cheap rego per couple even if both are pensioners.
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Many pensioners who own more than one vehicle will register one in their partner's name so as to get cheap rego... :D
Only allowed one cheap rego per couple even if both are pensioners.
Not in Tassie (We have a health care concession card) we get discounted rego on both cars by using both our cards..
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Many pensioners who own more than one vehicle will register one in their partner's name so as to get cheap rego... :D
Only allowed one cheap rego per couple even if both are pensioners.
Not in Tassie (We have a health care concession card) we get discounted rego on both cars by using both our cards..
Neither the health car cards nor the pensioners card get you more than one in Qld. Unfortunately.
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Sorry now that you have opened the door,IMO there are far far too many soft C#*K human rights PPL around, bring on more tech to catch the(lets say for a kinder word)silly PPL
Agreed Rick, it's not a human right to blatantly defy the law by avoiding fine payments or government fees that other law abiding citizens pay. If you get caught, double it I say.
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or the drivers didn't have a driver's licence.
Parked so no drivers
Also,
The unlicensed owner may not be the person who drives the car.
There is a person I know who owns a car but has no license and does not drive it.
Their son drives it with them as passenger
This is what I've said.
All the system is doing is flagging that the owner of the vehicle that is parked does not have a driver's licence so is therefore an unlicensed driver.
If he drove the car there he committed an offence.
If he drives the car away he commits an offence.
If he sits in the driver's seat and puts the key into the ignition he is deemed to be in control of the vehicle and commits an offence.
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The reason I bought it up originally was that, when I read that statement (In a run of eight parked cars, four are unregistered or owned by unlicensed drivers) to me, it was inferring that it was illegal to own a registered motor vehicle if you were unlicensed.
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Top stuff.
Oh. But the "human rights" people will no doubt complain about "Big Brother".
Sorry now that you have opened the door,IMO there are far far too many soft C#*K human rights PPL around, bring on more tech to catch the(lets say for a kinder word)silly PPL
Hope you're all still enthusiastic when "Big Brother" starts nabbing you for the slightest indiscretion..... :whistler:
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Never been speed camera'd yet, fined when I was 17 & 22. None since.
I paid up, end of story. Basically, if you drive according to the law, it doesn't matter how many, or where the devices are.
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Can you honestly say that you drive according to the law 100% of the time though, Phil?
I know I can't......
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I drive 100% to the letter of my laws :mrgreen:
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:lol:
This is why I laugh when people welcome "big brother"...... :whistler:
They'll soon have the smile wiped off their face and change their opinion if they end up being monitored 24/7.....
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So much semantics and nit picking. Here's a synopsis:
Law abiding motorists can be reassured that those who flout the law will now have a better chance of getting whats coming to them.
And on "civil rights", there the concept of the common good vs individual "rights". Campaigners often conveniently overlook this in order to further an agenda. Its a touchy subject for sure but my view is lets get all those unregistered and unroadworthy vehicles off the road for a start and the unlicensed drivers as well. And those owing fines for good measure lets suspend their licenses until the fees are paid. Muhahahaha.
In Ottawa you couldn't renew vehicle registration if you had fines outstanding and it was noted against your license as well. Damn fine idea. Ahem. Why we don't do this here I have no clue- it's not rocket science.
The sooner they can get fleets of these scum busting vehicles on the road the the better.
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:lol:
This is why I laugh when people welcome "big brother"...... :whistler:
They'll soon have the smile wiped off their face and change their opinion if they end up being monitored 24/7.....
We are monitored 24/7 already. Everything is recorded and with access to information, there is no problem reconstructing what anyone may have done at anytime in a day. Think about it, every phone call you make has a digital fingerprint, cellular calls have a geographic component that can be traced as well as the B end, photos you put on line have dates and times and increasingly geolocation info, every time you use a card to pay for something, every website you access is logged by your ISP, when you drive on toll roads your progress is tracked, CCTV in shops and public spaces monitor constantly, even something as mundane as facebook or other blogs provide information about a persons whereabouts and activities - need I go on?
There's no need to be paranoid about it. Not yet anyway.
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And those owing fines for good measure lets suspend their licenses until the fees are paid. Muhahahaha.
'Tis already the case....
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Not here in the north so far as I know. Should be though.
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:lol:
This is why I laugh when people welcome "big brother"...... :whistler:
They'll soon have the smile wiped off their face and change their opinion if they end up being monitored 24/7.....
We are monitored 24/7 already. Everything is recorded and with access to information, there is no problem reconstructing what anyone may have done at anytime in a day. Think about it, every phone call you make has a digital fingerprint, cellular calls have a geographic component that can be traced as well as the B end, photos you put on line have dates and times and increasingly geolocation info, every time you use a card to pay for something, every website you access is logged by your ISP, when you drive on toll roads your progress is tracked, CCTV in shops and public spaces monitor constantly, even something as mundane as facebook or other blogs provide information about a persons whereabouts and activities - need I go on?
There's no need to be paranoid about it. Not yet anyway.
Yeah, I realise all that but if the authorities acted on every indiscretion we made we'd be in deep poo....
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Not here in the north so far as I know. Should be though.
https://www.sper.qld.gov.au/enforcement-actions/licence-suspension.php (https://www.sper.qld.gov.au/enforcement-actions/licence-suspension.php)
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Not here in the north so far as I know. Should be though.
https://www.sper.qld.gov.au/enforcement-actions/licence-suspension.php (https://www.sper.qld.gov.au/enforcement-actions/licence-suspension.php)
That's good to know, thanks for sharing.
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The reason I bought it up originally was that, when I read that statement (In a run of eight parked cars, four are unregistered or owned by unlicensed drivers) to me, it was inferring that it was illegal to own a registered motor vehicle if you were unlicensed.
I see what you mean, but it's not what was meant.
In W.A. you can't renew licences if you have outstanding fines that have no arrangement to pay placed on them.
If you don't pay your fines over here, your driver's licence and vehicle licence will be suspended.
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.......... it was inferring that it was illegal to own a registered motor vehicle if you were unlicensed.
not illegal in UK
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.......... it was inferring that it was illegal to own a registered motor vehicle if you were unlicensed.
not illegal in UK
Nor here :whistler:
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.......... it was inferring that it was illegal to own a registered motor vehicle if you were unlicensed.
not illegal in UK
Interesting.
Last year (or 2011?) it became illegal in the UK to store a privately owned vehicle on a public highway or private land unless it was insured. To get that insurance you have to be a licence owner. Does that not now make it illegal to own a car that's in view of the public unless the owner holds a valid licence ?
I might look further into that later (just going off memory).
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:lol:
This is why I laugh when people welcome "big brother"...... :whistler:
They'll soon have the smile wiped off their face and change their opinion if they end up being monitored 24/7.....
Sorry to say but indirectly we already have been for some years, internet, bank transactions, internet purchased, CCTV in most of our populated areas,just for example, you can not do anything in the Fremantle port area and some of the closer surrounding areas,without some one seeing it,believe me I have been caught,doing something I shouldn't have been doing(no not walking around with the best Friend out) everything we do these days,the information is available to someone, nine times out of ten someone we would really didn't want to have the info.
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To get that insurance you have to be a licence owner.
not sure this is correct.
what about company cars, buses, lorries etc which are insured by the firm and not an individual who drives it.
be interested what you find out.
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:lol:
This is why I laugh when people welcome "big brother"...... :whistler:
They'll soon have the smile wiped off their face and change their opinion if they end up being monitored 24/7.....
Sorry to say but indirectly we already have been for some years, internet, bank transactions, internet purchased, CCTV in most of our populated areas,just for example, you can not do anything in the Fremantle port area and some of the closer surrounding areas,without some one seeing it,believe me I have been caught,doing something I shouldn't have been doing(no not walking around with the best Friend out) everything we do these days,the information is available to someone, nine times out of ten someone we would really didn't want to have the info.
Well aware of all that, Rick...which is why I wonder why people would want more of it..... :eek:
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If he sits in the driver's seat and puts the key into the ignition he is deemed to be in control of the vehicle and commits an offence.
Yes I know, not only if someone hasn't a license, in my wilder days I used to like to socialise a little too much,now this was many many moons ago, Victoria, well lets just say I had a little to much to drink,and the smoking didn't help,Left a social gathering, not even I mile down the road, I had a vision of clarity which didn't happen to often those days.
So pulled into the water table well off the main road, jumped fell into the back seat, keys in pocket fell asleep to attempt to clear the head and WAS going to continue when a little better, well didn't get that much sleep, next thing I was dragged off to the lockup, up in front of the beak in the morning no charge laid but I did receive a fine for being in charge of a motor vehicle,their rationale was I had the keys in my pocket, I could of at any time put the keys in the ignition and driven away(bloody bone heads,I was passed out I wasn't going anywhere) then they followed that up with if I had thrown the keys out the window it would have been different,Say what didn't follow the logic on that one
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In WA, keys in pocket you wouldn't be charged in this day and age.
Keys in ignition you would.
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http://youtu.be/OMOGaugKpzs (http://youtu.be/OMOGaugKpzs)
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what about company cars, buses, lorries etc which are insured by the firm and not an individual who drives it.
I did say "privately owned vehicle" :P
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To get that insurance you have to be a licence owner.
not sure this is correct.
what about company cars, buses, lorries etc which are insured by the firm and not an individual who drives it.
be interested what you find out.
I do know over here, if an offence is committed in a company, government vehicle and it is caught on camera of any sort and pursued,the government department or company is responsible for informing the authorities who was in charge of the vehicle,I haven't come across to many private companies who are willing to pay for their employers infringements,mind you I have heard of a couple of Government depts who will protect their staff,especially the higher up the ladder they are.I know in WA no hiding behind a company vehicle
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To get that insurance you have to be a licence owner.
not sure this is correct.
what about company cars, buses, lorries etc which are insured by the firm and not an individual who drives it.
be interested what you find out.
I do know over here, if an offence is committed in a company, government vehicle and it is caught on camera of any sort and pursued,the government department or company is responsible for informing the authorities who was in charge of the vehicle,I haven't come across to many private companies who are willing to pay for their employers infringements,mind you I have heard of a couple of Government depts who will protect their staff,especially the higher up the ladder they are.I know in WA no hiding behind a company vehicle
Yes, we have "owner onus" legislation which basically means you have to provide the details of any person who was driving the company vehicle, etc.
Failure to do so is an offence and results in a charge.
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Yeah, I realise all that but if the authorities acted on every indiscretion we made we'd be in deep poo....
If the Authorities acted on far more indiscretions and started banging some heads,maybe we would have a lot less crime, far to many oxygen wasters in this world OMO, sorry call me arcaic, but there is an old saying "spare the rod, spoil the child" again I say far to many soft C*#ks and far to much political correctness these days. the way offenders get treated these days is a Joke, in and out of the prisons system, No I am far from the perfect citizen or driver, if I get upset for getting caught,I am upset with myself for being a Dickhead Tool in the first place, why get upset with the system and PPL who are just doing what they are paid to do, sorry break the law,if caught,build a bridge and get over it
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If they did, Rick...we'd all be walking as none of us would have a licence for long... :whistler:
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If they did, Rick...we'd all be walking as none of us would have a licence for long... :whistler:
There Ya Go, problem solved, safer roads NO death Toll, we can fix any problem, should call us the think tank :whistler:
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I think the death toll is highly overrated anyhow... :whistler:
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what about company cars, buses, lorries etc which are insured by the firm and not an individual who drives it.
I did say "privately owned vehicle" :P
So you did :oops: , sorry.
I was reading on TT and with the small screen....................... :needhelp:
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.......... it was inferring that it was illegal to own a registered motor vehicle if you were unlicensed.
not illegal in UK
Interesting.
Last year (or 2011?) it became illegal in the UK to store a privately owned vehicle on a public highway or private land unless it was insured. To get that insurance you have to be a licence owner. Does that not now make it illegal to own a car that's in view of the public unless the owner holds a valid licence ?
I might look further into that later (just going off memory).
Is this what you read?
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-insurance/uninsured-vehicles (https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-insurance/uninsured-vehicles)
if you’re the registered keeper of a vehicle it must be insured or declared as off the road (SORN).
It doesn’t matter who is driving the car - if you’re the registered keeper, you could get penalised.
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Little old South Australia has these cars too, 6 cars per second being snapped & checked. Going to be on our local "Today Tonight" TV show in about 13.5 hours, I believe. But we heard about it 1st, here though. :goodjob2:
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Little old South Australia has these cars too, 6 cars per second being snapped & checked. Going to be on our local "Today Tonight" TV show in about 13.5 hours, I believe. But we heard about it 1st, here though. :goodjob2:
I might watch that on our VAST Satellite system if I can find it tonight. :goodjob:
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18:30, Adelaide time Ch 7
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18:30, Adelaide time Ch 7
Damn, I had a drink after work. Late home, so missed it :confused: