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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => GENERAL => Topic started by: diablo on April 16, 2013, 17:44:40

Title: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: diablo on April 16, 2013, 17:44:40
Hopped in car to go to supermarket last night, and although it started it petered out when I put it in gear. Odd, thinks I, so tried starting it again and apart from the odd splutter it wouldn't start again.

The engine was turning over fairly slowly so I kinda assumed it might be the battery being too flat - these modern electrics need a decent voltage to work I'm told. So I dragged out my ancient battery charger and it has been on that for a few hours now.

However I looked up about the batteries on here 'coz I remembered they were a bit odd. So just ordered a new battery charger which will work with these new-fangled calcium batteries. Should be here Thursday I hope.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002T8Y4GW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002T8Y4GW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Reckon I'll have to keep an eye on the battery and measure the voltage every now and then, I do very few runs to charge it up these days.

Wonder if I'll need a new one ?
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Shambles on April 16, 2013, 18:31:30
Dead battery after only 3 years? That'd be a shame. Doesn't the warranty state 5 years for the battery?

I have a similar smart charger. It sends charge pulses in varying bursts to trickle charge, then fires photon torpedoes to liven up the acid (the missus' car, not my i30). Doesn't work on a dead battery (your Gunson probably will tho).
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: eye30 on April 16, 2013, 18:42:27
I presume you do have fuel in the car!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: diablo on April 16, 2013, 18:47:39
I presume you do have fuel in the car!!!!!!!

Three-quarters of a tank or so. :) Well unless someones siphoned it off down to the very last dregs. :)

I'll have to have a look at the paperwork to see if I do have a 5 year guarantee on the battery - hadn't thought of that.
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Dazzler on April 16, 2013, 21:54:25

I'll have to have a look at the paperwork to see if I do have a 5 year guarantee on the battery - hadn't thought of that.

Shambles is usually spot on but would be very surprised. One or two years (from the battery manufacturer) would be my best guess... :cool:

That charger looks good value  :goodjob: Hope it does the trick  :Knock:
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Surferdude on April 17, 2013, 08:27:07
Make sure a rat didn't chew some wires. :wink:
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: rustynutz on April 17, 2013, 16:55:10
From memory the warranty is 2 years.....  :undecided:
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: diablo on April 19, 2013, 12:05:20
Make sure a rat didn't chew some wires. :wink:

I only have mice in my garage. :)

Fitted battery back in car after overnight charge on new charger. Engine started up on third attempt.

Though I'm not sure I trust the car at the moment, maybe I'll give it a long run this afternoon to fully charge it and check he voltage when I get back. Maybe it needs a new battery, dammit.

The new charger had got it up to 13volts and I was somehow expecting it to be more like 14.
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Dazzler on April 19, 2013, 12:13:01
Bit of a mixed result diablo (Hope it comes right with a good drive)  :fingers:
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Keith on April 19, 2013, 13:15:56
We all take the battery for granted dont we. Plus we all know that these days there are cheap option "battery conditioners" around we can leave connected up all the time.

But they still catch us out... personally I never give my battery a thought other than when the bonnet is up & I give it a clean. It's the original, so 5 years old now and as far as I can tell its in awesome health (crosss fingers)  :snigger:
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: diablo on April 19, 2013, 13:52:54
We all take the battery for granted dont we.

I take the whole damned car for granted these days. In the past 25 years I've had very few failures to start. Usually a battery problem, but once (in the present car) I was actually out of fuel - which was odd as I'd never heard seen the fuel warning light or spotted the dial going low (maybe I was on drugs then? can't remember).

Though prior to that (I'm old) failing to start wasn't all that uncommon - especially in winter.

Though in those days it was easy to check the battery, points, plugs, HT leads, condenser and fuel feed into carb. My mind goes blank when I look at a modern engine as those aren't usually options.  :scared:

They have charged batteries at local Halfords or ones at half the price on the internet. Hmmm, will think about that after test drive.
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Shambles on April 19, 2013, 14:03:58
They have charged batteries at local Halfords ...

I'll be there at 14:45 today to pick up an aircon recharge system. I'll also be checking out their batteries as mine is also over 5 years old (no problems as yet tho)
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: diablo on April 20, 2013, 18:45:04
Picked up new battery from Halfords and currently still in the boot, the old battery seems to working well again now - car starts instantly I twist the key again. Though  the new one in the back, with the tools to swap it over if needed, does make me feel less vulnerable. I have rescue insurance for breakdowns (without homestart) but they take a long time to get to you usually - unless you are a woman with kiddies of course.

Both batteries now show about 12.8 volts. Though the charged one from Halfords may have lost voltage in storage I suppose?  I can't seem to find very much good info on the interwebby about exactly how to look after these batteries and what voltages are normal.

I'll have to work out how to set up my radio again.  :scared:
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Keith on April 20, 2013, 19:18:32
Modern batteries are pretty much sealed for life and maintenance free really, just keep it clean, and make sure the terminals and main ground cable connector is tight and sealed with petroleum jelly.
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Asterix on April 20, 2013, 19:36:09
IIRC every cell in the battery can "contain" 2,1 Volt. As there's 6 cell's in a 12 V battery the nominal voltage will be 12,6 Volt.

When you charge a battery, you should allways wait 2 hours before checking the voltage to get the most accurate result.
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: Shambles on April 20, 2013, 19:42:27
Picked up new battery from Halfords ...

They didn't list any for the CRDi, but I did see three for your petrol.

Did you go for the £108 Bosch battery?
Title: Re: Ahrrrg, car wouldn't start :(
Post by: diablo on April 20, 2013, 20:18:36
Picked up new battery from Halfords ...

They didn't list any for the CRDi, but I did see three for your petrol.

Did you go for the £108 Bosch battery?
Went for the middle priced one -

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_264129_langId_-1_categoryId_165762 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_264129_langId_-1_categoryId_165762)

I've been told that you shouldn't replace a calcium/calcium battery with a lead-acid one like the cheapest they suggest. And i couldn't work out what the Bosch one was.

All this pulse charging and higher voltage needed stuff confoozes my little noggin so I went for the one which said it was calcium. :)

They do calcium/calcium batteries on-line for half the price - maybe I'd have been okay to go for one of them?  I didn't want to wait for delivery and find the car not working again, oh well it is only money.  :confused:

p.s. this was one of the on-line ones which I very nearly ordered -

http://www.thebatteryguys.co.uk/products/solite-027 (http://www.thebatteryguys.co.uk/products/solite-027)

It is actually recommended for the diesels - and my original battery is a Solite.
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