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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => GENERAL => Topic started by: vividblue on April 20, 2013, 02:11:42
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I have a 2009 FD cw sportswagon with the 2 litre engine.
I recently was having the ESP OFF light coming on in the dash and it was happening intermittently during the last few months. After lots of reading on the net and also this forum , I suspected that it was possibly related to the faulty brake light switch problem effecting many Hyundai vehicles.
At the next service I mentioned the problem to the dealer and they were happy to replace the suspected faulty brake light switch under warranty. However now the cruise control does not work ! The dealer said there is a problem and Hyundai currently working on a way to fix the cruise control .
I find it difficult to believe that by replacing a brake light switch they can't get the cruise control to work again. I had assumed that a like for like switch would have been fitted and everything would be working ? I asked the dealer what switch was fitted but he seemed vague and I got the feeling some other type of switch was fitted perhaps not specific to my model i30. He indicated that Hyundai in Korea are trying to find a solution and my car will be fixed when they know how to fix it.
Can anyone provide some more information on what the problem is and what is being done to fix it ?
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Rather than wait for Hy to find a solution, check ALL your fuses for continuity. I suspect the switch may have been replaced without disconnecting the battery and if an inadvertent short occurred while making the replacement, it may have blown a fuse. Like you, I can't see any other reason for CC to become inoperative due to a switch. May others here have had the replacement without any effect on the CC.
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Here is what my brake switch looks like on my 2010 trophy with cruise control, which had a "software update" to fix the esp off light which kept comming on.
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My take is that there's every probability the dealership just didn't do enough of the job to check that you get to drive away with the fix. Any story of a 'fix' is just that - a story. Facesaving attempts such as this are timewasting and a frustration for you. Phil has offered great advice with checking fuses as a first step. Your second should be the connection to the switch. Test how well the wiring to the switch has been reseated after replacement.
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I just checked all the fuses and they are all showing continuity. I also disconnected the brake light switch and reconnected it to make sure everything was seated correctly.
I had a look at my brake light switch and it looks the same as the picture in the above post.
I then took the car for a drive and the cruise control still does not work. The cruise control switch
will turn it on and off but it will not work when the set switch is pressed. The set light momentarily lights then goes off again.
I would like to believe that the dealer has not done the job properly, however at the carsguide website there are comments from people experiencing the same problem I am having.
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G'day mate,
I had the brake light switch replaced on my 2010 CW and the Cruise Control works like a charm.
I suspect the dealer is spinning you a line. The only thing could be that they recently changed the switch design and rushed them into service. But given the popularity of cruise control, I suspect they wouldn't do this.
Given you get your car serviced there (and pay their excessive servicing costs) I think you have cause to demand better service.
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The only other suggestion I can offer would be to disconnect the battery for an hour, then reconnect & see what happens. Otherwise, off to the dealer.
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probably mot failure in uk if cc not working
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probably mot failure in uk if cc not working
How would they know?
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I just sent off an email to Hyundai Australia with my concerns and I will wait for their response.
If I disconnect the battery say for an hour , is their any codes I need to program back into the radio like in some cars as I don't have any info on that ?
Also does anyone know if the brake light switch is the same across all models ? The dealer indicated to me that it was cars with the 2 litre engine that are effected.
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There should be a record of the Radio Code somewhere :undecided:
Several different Hyundai models have had Brake light switch problems (and in different countries too) :Pout:
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Pretty sure radio code is not required for 2009 model, but you might loose your station presets.
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probably mot failure in uk if cc not working
How would they know?
There is a green light on the dash which illuminates when CC on.
That also goes for all warning lights.
If any light is lit and doesn't go out which should, then failure.
eg handbrake light goes out when handbrake disengaged. If it stay lit failure.
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I just sent off an email to Hyundai Australia with my concerns and I will wait for their response.
If I disconnect the battery say for an hour , is their any codes I need to program back into the radio like in some cars as I don't have any info on that ?
Also does anyone know if the brake light switch is the same across all models ? The dealer indicated to me that it was cars with the 2 litre engine that are effected.
I've received recall notices for a 2 litre ix35 and a 1.4 litre i20. These have come from Hy AU. Must check the i20. Could it have a 2 litre? :wtf:
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Yes my car does have the 2 litre engine. Its' a Dec 2009 FD cw sportswagon. The service guy told me that the problem was with cars with the 2 litre engine after the brake light switch had been replaced , the cruise control would not function. I don't understand how this can be if the brake light switch is replaced with the same type. I had no problem with the cruise control prior to the brake light switch being replaced. Only problem I had was intermittent ESP OFF coming on in the dash.
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As others have said, yours is not the first to be replaced here in Oz. But it's the first to report that problem.
Mine will be replaced in the next 2 or 3 weeks so we'll see what happens.
Also, and I could be mistaken here, but this is the first I've heard about it only affecting petrol engines.
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When I was at a Hyundai dealer yesterday to get my cars air conditioning repaired, I overheard one of the staff talking to another client with an earlier model i30 that was getting the brake light recall fix done. She asked if the car had cruise control, stating that if it did, they wouldn't be able to replace the brake switch. I didn't hear the conversation properly, but it sounded like they had to get another type of switch in if the car had cruise control.
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When I was at a Hyundai dealer yesterday to get my cars air conditioning repaired, I overheard one of the staff talking to another client with an earlier model i30 that was getting the brake light recall fix done. She asked if the car had cruise control, stating that if it did, they wouldn't be able to replace the brake switch. I didn't hear the conversation properly, but it sounded like they had to get another type of switch in if the car had cruise control.
That is interesting, thanks :cool:
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I just sent off an email to Hyundai Australia with my concerns and I will wait for their response.
If I disconnect the battery say for an hour , is their any codes I need to program back into the radio like in some cars as I don't have any info on that ?
Also does anyone know if the brake light switch is the same across all models ? The dealer indicated to me that it was cars with the 2 litre engine that are effected.
It took 30 days for a responce for my last email.
I would call Hyundai or the dealer unless your not that keen on Cruise Control.
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Well it has been two days now since I emailed Hyundai Oz. I am yet to receive a response from them which I find disappointing.
I am hoping that they can confirm that there is a problem and provide some technical details of the issue and a time frame when it will be resolved , or tell me that there is no problem and that the dealer is telling me less than the full truth.
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Our ix35 is having the brake light switch replaced tomorrow. I wonder if we'll have cruise after the switch is switched.
Cruise control has been doing some odd things over the last month or more. Wonder if the switch replacement will resolve them. I've reported the strange happenings and am monitoring the odd behaviour.
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... am monitoring the odd behaviour.
Of the system or the dealer? :whistler: :lol:
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... am monitoring the odd behaviour.
Of the system or the dealer? :whistler: :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Had the switch replaced on the ix35 today. Even got a car wash and vacuum. Still have cruise control working. Might have solved the issues with cruise control as there were no issues on the way home.
One young mechanic I spoke to still reckons the cruise control issues are related to a faulty clock spring, whatever that is. My mind is trying to cope with the idea that the cruise is controlled by a clock spring. I can't find the key to wind it up with anywhere.
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My mind is trying to cope with the idea that the cruise is controlled by a clock spring. I can't find the key to wind it up with anywhere.
Here you go. My Masters may be in Electronic Warfare but my PhD is in Google. :lol:
Clockspring Repair (http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?237211-Cruise-control-clock-spring-repair)
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My mind is trying to cope with the idea that the cruise is controlled by a clock spring. I can't find the key to wind it up with anywhere.
Here you go. My Masters may be in Electronic Warfare but my PhD is in Google. :lol:
Clockspring Repair (http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?237211-Cruise-control-clock-spring-repair)
The guy that posted that was pretty handy but not much of a Thai-pissed :whistler:
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:goodjob2: Dazz, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Lucky he didn't write the Gettysburg Address.
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Update
I called another dealer today to see what they had to say about my problem with the cruise control. It was a similar story to what my regular dealer said but with a bit more information.
It is confirmed that there are problems only with the 2 litre engines and doesn't seem to effect the 1.6l engines.
Because the replacement brake light switches were still failing, a different switch was manufactured but somehow the design of the switch was messed up so it won't work with the 2L engine thus disabling the cruise control.
There is still no time frame as to when the new replacement switch will be available (rumour of May?) but effected owners will be notified once it is available.
So I will just have to wait :disapp:
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If the other one wasn't faulty, then they should reinstall it, or compensate you each day of inconvenience you have.
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The justification the dealer used was that it was better (safer) to have the ESP and brake lights working and not the cruise control.
I can live with not having cruise control for a few months as I cycle to work anyway and my missus uses the car just to do the school run and shopping. Only use cruise when we go away on holidays which won't be for a few months, so hopefully the new switch will be available then.
I am disappointed more information wasn't forthcoming from my dealer to the actual problem at the time I picked up the car or before the switch was changed.
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They had a duty to inform you that CC would be affected before the replacement IMO.
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I wonder how many of us now have our cruise control disabled due to this problem. Ours has now been 2 months with no word of the new brake light switch.
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I wonder how many of us now have our cruise control disabled due to this problem. Ours has now been 2 months with no word of the new brake light switch.
Brake light switch replaced several times, also the complete cruise control & accelerator position sensor.
Still have major problems, currently using a Jaguar XJ8 in UK and Blue Drive VW Polo in Spain.
No warranty claims ever on either of these vehicles.
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Very sad :disapp:
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I wonder what exactly it is about the switch that causes this problem. There appears to be a big business opportunity to determine precisely how this is failing and to design, not a new switch, but a new inline debounce filter for any current switch. :whistler:
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I wonder what exactly it is about the switch that causes this problem. There appears to be a big business opportunity to determine precisely how this is failing and to design, not a new switch, but a new inline debounce filter for any current switch. :whistler:
IIRC, there's been comment about how the CC won't activate unless you've touched the brake pedal since starting out.
So I guess the supplier of the new switch hasn't included this feature in their design.
Hence, CC won't activate.
Fortunately my dealership talked to me about it first and were happy to replace the faulty switch with another of the old design. They tend to work for some time before failing so the daeler and I are happy to wait now for the new upgraded replacement switch (for which Hyundai has NOT given them a projected delivery date).
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Yeah, no surprise there. I got caught out thinking my CC had failed during a hot spell of weather and that's when I discovered a press of the pedal would reset it, although I suspect the hot weather was maybe making it fail until some cooler air had blown across the switch.
However, a switch is a switch. It just closes to make a contact. If anyone can post pictures and/or details of both types of switch, we may be able to come up with a solution.
I still don't see how a 'new v old' design of switch can make any difference, and the stories of persistent problems lend weight to this observation.
Bring on the tech info! :happydance:
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Well, that was disappointing. I just did a quick search and the switch looks like nothing more than a common plunger type with adjustment via a nut on the shaft thread. It appears to have four spade connectors. Can anyone access info about how they're connected? Is this simply a case of two for the brake light circuit and two for the CC or is there more to it?
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Yeah, no surprise there. I got caught out thinking my CC had failed during a hot spell of weather and that's when I discovered a press of the pedal would reset it, although I suspect the hot weather was maybe making it fail until some cooler air had blown across the switch.
However, a switch is a switch. It just closes to make a contact. If anyone can post pictures and/or details of both types of switch, we may be able to come up with a solution.
I still don't see how a 'new v old' design of switch can make any difference, and the stories of persistent problems lend weight to this observation.
Bring on the tech info! :happydance:
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Well, that was disappointing. I just did a quick search and the switch looks like nothing more than a common plunger type with adjustment via a nut on the shaft thread. It appears to have four spade connectors. Can anyone access info about how they're connected? Is this simply a case of two for the brake light circuit and two for the CC or is there more to it?
I can't claim to understand how electronics work internally but it seems logical to me that there would be some sort of internal sensor which records when the brake pedal is depressed and sends a signal to the CC unit, activating it for use. And in the new switch they've left that sensor out.
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Thanks, 'dude, but the switch is bound to be pretty simple internally. The plunger just moves in past some contact surfaces making a connection between pairs of switches.
The trick is to understand what's going wrong with the switch in the first place and what's different about the new switch - probably not enough because they still seem to fail.
Where the wiring is going would be good to know. Also, if the CC needs the closing of the switch to initialise it, then removing that part of the circuit just means your CC will never work, and leaving it closed likewise since that's also a disengage signal to the CC.
I just haven't had anyone explain what the actual fault is. If the brake lights are not failing to illuminate on pedal press, then I suspect it's just mechanical failure of the switch where the CC pair of contacts is concerned - if that's how the contacts are arranged and not working off the same pair.
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Can anyone look at a failed switch and let me know?
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Gonz, I would say that you are looking at a simple 2 pole switch. One pole for the brakes and one for the CC. When mine failed, from memory, there was no problem with the brake lights but CC would not set suggesting two isolated functions.
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I wonder how many of us now have our cruise control disabled due to this problem.
My Cruise Control had never failed to engage or operate :neutral:
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The only way to deal with this situation is to break a faulty one apart and find out what's failing. As no one has a faulty one to test, I suspect if there are two pairs of contacts, that the CC fault must be mechanical. My reasoning is, that it is a logic signal that is required to trip the CC and is either a very low current or possibly a simple grounding situation, neither of which cause heating or arcing of the contacts.
When our car comes up for service, they won't be replacing any brake switches unless they can guarantee CC is going to work, I use it a lot.
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When I was at a Hyundai dealer yesterday to get my cars air conditioning repaired, I overheard one of the staff talking to another client with an earlier model i30 that was getting the brake light recall fix done. She asked if the car had cruise control, stating that if it did, they wouldn't be able to replace the brake switch. I didn't hear the conversation properly, but it sounded like they had to get another type of switch in if the car had cruise control.
100% correct,a car fitted with CC has a different update brake light switch. :wink: dealers are changing them during our services and letting you know it was a recall and its free. my hatch was done on its last service and at the wife's cw service one wasn't in stock ,because of it having CC. about a month ago the wife was contacted by our dealer saying he now had stock of the CC brake light switches and could she bring in her car for a free switch replacement. this was Dandenong Hyundai.
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My confidence that the CC type switch is a double pole plunger switch is high. A non-CC variant is likely to be single pole with just the two contacts but unless the plug shape changes, the CC type can probably work universally, just missing the CC cable.
BTW, my car has never had the problem despite being identified as a candidate, and I've had no switch replaced since I bought it.
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a car fitted with CC has a different update brake light switch.
I often wonder whether mine had the correct switch fitted, the Cruise Control was dealer fitted prior to my collection, maybe they failed to update the switch :confused:
Incidentally, i30 CRDi - 18/176 weeks unusable/unreliable due to faults.
i20 CRDi - 0/176 weeks - no faults at all.
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there's been comment about how the CC won't activate unless you've touched the brake pedal since starting out.
I've never had to do this on my car
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here is the part# 93810-3KR0CQQH as fitted too the wife's 6/09 2.0 petrol auto with cruise control. can anyone that's recently had a brake light switch replaced that doesn't have cruise control post the part# on their receipt. :idea: :winker:
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[quote ]there's been comment about how the CC won't activate unless you've touched the brake pedal since starting out.
I've never had to do this on my car
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Neither have I.
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Hmm, so a few of us who thought it was normal might have to chase a new switch. :whistler:
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Hmm, so a few of us who thought it was normal might have to chase a new switch. :whistler:
The Plot thickens :confused:
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When our car comes up for service, they won't be replacing any brake switches unless they can guarantee CC is going to work, I use it a lot.
According to my dealer, the cruise / brake light switch problem only affects petrol models... :undecided:
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Why, but I'm happy if it does. :question:
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He didn't offer a reason.... :undecided: :(
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here is the part# 93810-3KR0CQQH as fitted too the wife's 6/09 2.0 petrol auto with cruise control. can anyone that's recently had a brake light switch replaced that doesn't have cruise control post the part# on their receipt. :idea: :winker:
i checked my recent service receipt,and guess what. here is the part# 93810-26ROBQQH as fitted too my my 1/09 2.0petrol manual without cruise control,there is a different switch according too our service receipts for brake light switches replaced. :winker: both were changed in the last 6 weeks.
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[quote ]there's been comment about how the CC won't activate unless you've touched the brake pedal since starting out.
I've never had to do this on my car
Neither have I.
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But guys, the whole point of these discussions was that their CC wasn't responding to the "On" switch.
Apparently this is a safety factor that requires the brake pedal to have been used once since you started out before the CC will activate.
It would be very rare that you would start your car and drive enough distance to be wanting to use the CC, without needing to brake along the way. So you need to try this before you can say you "haven't had to do that" ie. Stop on the highway. Turn your engine off, restart and accelerate up to a reasonable speed, being careful not to touch the brake pedal. Then set the CC.
When guys started speculating on this on here a while back, I tried it and agree the CC (at least the factory fitted - not dealer fitted, after market version) doesn't sctivate until the brake pedal has been depressed at least once.
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a car fitted with CC has a different update brake light switch.
I often wonder whether mine had the correct switch fitted, the Cruise Control was dealer fitted prior to my collection, maybe they failed to update the switch :confused:
Incidentally, i30 CRDi - 18/176 weeks unusable/unreliable due to faults.
i20 CRDi - 0/176 weeks - no faults at all.
If your CC was "dealer fitted", it's not a factory unit which is what we're talking about here. Yours will be an after market type. The factory fitted units happen on the assembly line.
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Apparently this is a safety factor that requires the brake pedal to have been used once since you started out before the CC will activate.
It would be very rare that you would start your car and drive enough distance to be wanting to use the CC, without needing to brake along the way. So you need to try this before you can say you "haven't had to do that" ie. Stop on the highway.
Just to confirm my initial comment.
Earlier I left the house, joined the motorway and at 65 mph activated CC.
Not once did I stop or touched the brakes until I was leaving the motorway some 8 miles later.
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Apparently this is a safety factor that requires the brake pedal to have been used once since you started out before the CC will activate.
It would be very rare that you would start your car and drive enough distance to be wanting to use the CC, without needing to brake along the way. So you need to try this before you can say you "haven't had to do that" ie. Stop on the highway.
Just to confirm my initial comment.
Earlier I left the house, joined the motorway and at 65 mph activated CC.
Not once did I stop or touched the brakes until I was leaving the motorway some 8 miles later.
Ok. Well it seems we have different results from different cars.
I might check mine again now the switch has been replaced.
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I was going to test ours tomorrow, but I realised that on reversing out of the drive, the brake is applied to stop and select D to move forward, so our CC would probably engage. :Dunno:
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there's been comment about how the CC won't activate unless you've touched the brake pedal since starting out.
I've had this happen....I pulled over on a highway, stopped the engine and then restarted and moved off without touching the brake..... :whistler:
For those that claim they haven't, are you positive you've not touched the brakes as you've backed out of your driveway or put your foot on the brake when starting the engine?
I'd be very surprised If you haven't done something like that which would explain why you haven't experienced it.... :winker:
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Ok i'll check this again under contolled envoronment.
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If your CC was "dealer fitted", it's not a factory unit which is what we're talking about here. Yours will be an after market type. The factory fitted units happen on the assembly line.
Although I ordered the car with CC, it was fitted by the Dealer, and I collected it with 11 miles on the Odometer.
I have kept the original Dealer fitting instructions, and it does show the original brake switch discarded, and a replacement unit being fitted.
I had not realised that the Factory fitted CC, were different from Dealer fitted Hyundai CC.
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I have a 2009 FD cw sportswagon with the 2 litre engine.
I recently was having the ESP OFF light coming on in the dash and it was happening intermittently during the last few months. After lots of reading on the net and also this forum , I suspected that it was possibly related to the faulty brake light switch problem effecting many Hyundai vehicles.
At the next service I mentioned the problem to the dealer and they were happy to replace the suspected faulty brake light switch under warranty. However now the cruise control does not work ! The dealer said there is a problem and Hyundai currently working on a way to fix the cruise control .
I find it difficult to believe that by replacing a brake light switch they can't get the cruise control to work again. I had assumed that a like for like switch would have been fitted and everything would be working ? I asked the dealer what switch was fitted but he seemed vague and I got the feeling some other type of switch was fitted perhaps not specific to my model i30. He indicated that Hyundai in Korea are trying to find a solution and my car will be fixed when they know how to fix it.
Can anyone provide some more information on what the problem is and what is being done to fix it ?
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There are 2 different switches, you have the wrong switch fitted. Ours needs replacing and I confirmed personally that our dealer has the right switch for our car before fitting, which they have.
Return to the dealer and get the right switch fitted.
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Having similar problems with our 2011 2 litre manual petrol i30. Campaign 30C001(Brake light switch replaced) Traction control and brake lights work now but cruise control no longer operates. Ryde Motor Group Sydney have been waiting for part since March? When a vehicle is supplied with cruise control it should keep working.
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Our dealer told me yesterday that they were turning cars away, because they were waiting for the right part. Our cars are both Diesel though, you need to call and talk to them about this issue.
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No code needed on the radio. Check the brake lights are actually working.
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I had the brake light switch done today amongst other warranty work on the Good Wife's car.
In speaking with the Hyundai lady it would appear that the new cruise control compliant switch is now available.
Perhaps this is why there is a new batch of recall notices being sent out.
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I had the brake light switch done today amongst other warranty work on the Good Wife's car.
In speaking with the Hyundai lady it would appear that the new cruise control compliant switch is now available.
Perhaps this is why there is a new batch of recall notices being sent out.
Yep. Confirmed.
I was talking to Sunco Motors' service manager today and he said the new switch is available. I asked when they could do it.
He said, "have you got 5 minutes?"
I did. And that's exactly how long it took.
So anyone who's told longer is being lied to.
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In speaking with the Hyundai lady it would appear that the new cruise control compliant switch is now available.
For absolute clarity, is this to eliminate the presumed 'imitialise' function of having to press the brake pedal once after starting before my CC will work?
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For absolute clarity, is this to eliminate the presumed 'imitialise' function of having to press the brake pedal once after starting before my CC will work?
No.
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For absolute clarity, is this to eliminate the presumed 'imitialise' function of having to press the brake pedal once after starting before my CC will work?
No.
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