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Title: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: AlanHo on June 06, 2013, 21:22:39
In my previous i30 GD hatchback I found that the direction indicator "clicker" was barely audible. My wife, who can hear a pin drop at 100 yards, found it quiet.

In my new i30 Tourer the problem is worse - I cannot hear the clicker at all and my wife can only just about hear it - especially on rough roads.

Does anyone have a solution that does not require me to have a degree in electronic auto fiddling?

I confess my hearing is impaired - but my wife's is most certainly excellent.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: tla on June 06, 2013, 22:24:02
For the FD, the clicking sound is made by the M68 Sound Relay as shown in the picture below.

I'm guessing something similar is used in the GD.  Maybe you can find a louder replacement.

(http://i.imgur.com/lHLZ97Z.gif) (http://imgur.com/lHLZ97Z)
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: ouri30 on June 06, 2013, 22:27:33
We found the FD relay rather quiet.  However, with our Korean built GD, the sound is more obvious, a higher pitched pinging sound.  We were immediately impressed by the change.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Dazzler on June 06, 2013, 22:28:31
That is interesting Alan it seems to vary car to car, quite a bit. Mine was like your Tourer in the first (2008) i30 and yet Trish's MY11 CW is much louder.. :wacko:

Assuming they would use the same components for all their cars I am guessing it is a location issue, or maybe something is muffling the clicker    :confused:

Edit: thanks TLA  :undecided:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: rstnick on June 06, 2013, 22:49:27
My son commented that he liked the quieter sound of the Indicator on our '12 Touring compared to our '04 Elantra GT.
I like it quieter too.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Dazzler on June 06, 2013, 22:56:22
My son commented that he liked the quieter sound of the Indicator on our '12 Touring compared to our '04 Elantra GT.
I like it quieter too.

I understand where you are coming from Rob, the type of sound seems to vary too .. from a sharp click to more of a tapping sound.

Unfortunately, in some cases you can barely hear it at all...So I understand Alan's problem.

Ours was so quiet in our first i30, that often you had to double check by the light on the dash if you had engaged them at all. Sometimes, my wife Trish would say "we have to turn here" and I would have to point out I was indicating.  :whistler:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 07, 2013, 00:56:47
Sadly Alan, if that was my problem I would be going down the electronics engineer path, you do have the skills, just got to find your soldering iron, in one of those boxes. However, I suspect that you have better sound insulation in your car and it is working too effectively.

My solution would be to solder extension wires to the existing relay wiring and relocate the relay in a more exposed position. Failing that, try to find a louder one.

Might have to throw a few pounds at an auto electrician maybe.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 07, 2013, 07:24:29
Sadly Alan, if that was my problem I would be going down the electronics engineer path...
Guilt by associating. I'd be doing the same, maybe even sampling a few circuits for just the right customised sound from a parallel accessory.

Let me know whether there's a market for it. :lol:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Shambles on June 07, 2013, 08:54:16
If I had this issue, and required louder acoustic feedback from the flasher unit, I'd parallel connect a small audio module through the cab to the relay, which I think is what General Gonzalez is hinting at.

Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 07, 2013, 09:41:58
Spot on, Admiral Shambles. I have no idea how the current module creates its sound but there is bound to be a couple of connections completing a circuit of some kind, delivering either power or a signal, intermittent or steady. Whichever way it works, the approach to piggyback this connection will be the same. :goodjob:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: eye30 on June 07, 2013, 10:00:48
Easy peasy, just turn the hearing aid up
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Doggie 1 on June 07, 2013, 10:43:34
Or get the wife to make a clicking sound with her teeth.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 07, 2013, 13:06:04
Or get the wife to make a clicking sound with her teeth.
I didn't know you allowed your wives in your i30s. :Shocked:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: tla on June 07, 2013, 22:33:00
Spot on, Admiral Shambles. I have no idea how the current module creates its sound but there is bound to be a couple of connections completing a circuit of some kind, delivering either power or a signal, intermittent or steady. Whichever way it works, the approach to piggyback this connection will be the same. :goodjob:

Here's the related schematic on the FD.

(http://i.imgur.com/ISSnzp5.png)
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: agentr31 on June 08, 2013, 05:33:01
get a truck reverse beper wired in, you wont miss it then

http://www.qds.com.au/products.html (http://www.qds.com.au/products.html)
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 08, 2013, 05:48:44
Thanks, TLA. If the sound relay on the left is what's triggered by the turn indicator outputs on the right, then there's a number of options to take. I'd go straight to the turn indicator outputs and splice into their lines with a new module. The relay looks quite basic so I'm guessing the turn outputs are already an intermittent signal so aside from matching the voltage to any desired sound, there's not much more to do but decide where the new sound module is mounted, and this will be out of sight anyway.

I've used cheap buzzers for projects at a cost of only a dollar or two, such as this:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: tla on June 08, 2013, 08:28:43
I've used cheap buzzers for projects at a cost of only a dollar or two, such as this:
(click to show/hide)
I think Alan was looking for something more like this http://www.jcwhitney.com/electric-130db-highway-blaster-replacement-horns/p2009014.jcwx (http://www.jcwhitney.com/electric-130db-highway-blaster-replacement-horns/p2009014.jcwx)
Positioned near the driver's headrest, there would be no doubt when the indicator is on.   :Shocked:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 08, 2013, 08:30:58
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: 2i30s on June 08, 2013, 08:38:57
 :wacko: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Doggie 1 on June 08, 2013, 09:40:17
Perhaps there's something lying around the house that buzzes or vibrates that could be wired in?  :undecided:
In fact, come to think of it, you could fit a replacement stalk at the same time.  :lol:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: agentr31 on June 08, 2013, 23:56:15
Perhaps there's something lying around the house that buzzes or vibrates that could be wired in?  :undecided:
In fact, come to think of it, you could fit a replacement stalk at the same time.  :lol:

the only problem is the amount of AA batteries it would chew through!
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 09, 2013, 02:12:06
the only problem is the amount of AA batteries it would chew through!
That can be resolved with some voltage matching. I thought the real problem would be all that bulky rubber. :whistler:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: rustynutz on June 09, 2013, 04:21:03
You must have the deluxe model, Gonz...  :undecided:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 09, 2013, 04:28:11
I can just picture Alan negotiating the Swindon roundabout, smiling.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: ouri30 on June 09, 2013, 04:54:55
The answer to this issue lies in installing a vibrating device in the seat linked to the indicator relay. Those with poor hearing will have no difficulty detecting when the indicators are on. In fact, two devices could be installed, one under each buttock so the driver knows which way they have indicated. Premium versions could also have vibrating devices installed in the passenger seat for passengers so there is no doubt which way the driver is intending to turn.

 Another light bulb moment for Bob, don't you think?
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 09, 2013, 06:30:38
We could add a central vibrator for the hazard lights, just for emergencies! :lol:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Doggie 1 on June 09, 2013, 06:48:55
we could be on to something here.....
Who wants to be first to give it a crack?
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: ouri30 on June 09, 2013, 07:06:00
we could be on to something here.....
Who wants to be first to give it a crack go?

Hate for someone to be offended with your choice of words.
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Dazzler on June 09, 2013, 09:23:25
Love it!  :lol: :DoubleKiss:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: bumpkin on June 09, 2013, 23:29:09
The i40 indicators are virtually silent, but I don't regard it as a problem, they auto cancel after junctions and you only need to use the lane changer function the rest of the time.  Are you finding that yours are staying on?

You could try seeing if you can pick up an ix20 unit, they sounded like somebody was holding a Magnum handgun to your head!
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on June 10, 2013, 00:02:17
Now there's an idea, get one of those cheap single chip sound effects doorbells and select the V8 Rev or 357 Magum. :happydance: :lol:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: AlanHo on July 01, 2013, 21:56:28
I have found an auto electrician via my dealership who is booked to do the work on 17th July after we get back from holiday. He has already done four i30's and two i40's for them - hence he has already climbed the learning curve. It will cost £60 but will be worth it - especially if it helps to avoid an accident.

Knowing my luck - he will probably use a siren off a wrecked police car or ambulance.......... :scared:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Dazzler on July 01, 2013, 21:59:32
I have found an auto electrician via my dealership who is booked to do the work on 17th July after we get back from holiday. He has already done four i30's and two i40's for them - hence he has already climbed the learning curve. It will cost £60 but will be worth it - especially if it helps to avoid an accident.

Knowing my luck - he will probably use a siren off a wrecked police car or ambulance.......... :scared:

 :goodjob:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: eye30 on July 01, 2013, 22:37:27
I have found an auto electrician via my dealership who is booked to do the work on 17th July after we get back from holiday. He has already done four i30's and two i40's for them - hence he has already climbed the learning curve. It will cost £60 but will be worth it - especially if it helps to avoid an accident.

Knowing my luck - he will probably use a siren off a wrecked police car or ambulance.......... :scared:

SEVEN from 1 dealers. 

I wonder how many other dealers have had similar comments about this from their customers.

I wonder if the dealer has reported this to Hy UK as a "customer dis satisfaction"
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: AlanHo on July 02, 2013, 07:18:08
Spread over a 4 year period.

I was interested to learn that 2 of them were cars used by people who worked as ground staff at the local Birmingham airport - I would place a large bet they had hearing damage caused by not wearing ear defenders.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 02, 2013, 13:28:37
I have found an auto electrician via my dealership who is booked to do the work on 17th July after we get back from holiday. He has already done four i30's and two i40's for them - hence he has already climbed the learning curve. It will cost £60 but will be worth it - especially if it helps to avoid an accident.

Knowing my luck - he will probably use a siren off a wrecked police car or ambulance.......... :scared:

NAH nah, NAH nah, NAH nah, NAH nah, I'm sure they won't.  ;)
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 02, 2013, 13:37:20
You realise, two wires from a buzzer inserted in the plug that holds the flasher can will do the same job, about AU$5.00 :undecided:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: rustynutz on July 02, 2013, 13:59:31
You could also save your cash and just look at the dash to see if your indicators are flashing.... :whistler:

Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on July 02, 2013, 15:11:44
You realise, two wires from a buzzer inserted in the plug that holds the flasher can will do the same job, about AU$5.00 :undecided:
I'll do it for $4.50  :happydance:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: AlanHo on July 02, 2013, 15:17:30
I find with contractors that those who offer prices well below average generally do shoddy work.

Hence I must decline your kind offer............... :rofl:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on July 02, 2013, 15:19:08
I find with contractors that those who offer prices well below average generally do shoddy work.

Hence I must decline your kind offer............... :rofl:
:eek:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 02, 2013, 20:09:10
 :rofl: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: baroudeur on July 02, 2013, 20:31:21
Surely it's the M64 piezo buzzer in the second post by TLA that produces the sound and it's this that needs upgrading?
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 02, 2013, 21:48:47
No, even tla says it's the m68 relay. You won't get a ticking sound from a piezo buzzer.
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: tla on July 02, 2013, 22:44:21
Surely it's the M64 piezo buzzer in the second post by TLA that produces the sound and it's this that needs upgrading?
According to the schematic, the M64 buzzer is used for the reverse parking system.  Perhaps Alan needs to upgrade that as well?
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on July 03, 2013, 11:59:31
Bah humbug! Deploy my patented negative ion generator as a seat accessory wired to the indicator circuit and you'll be guaranteed the necessary awareness. :goodjob:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 03, 2013, 13:48:08
As in, "Ring", "Ring" :whistler:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: The Gonz on July 03, 2013, 15:36:12
As in, "Ring", "Ring" :whistler:
Maybe even "Ring Zing" :lol: :goodjob:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Just Rick on July 04, 2013, 13:57:58
 :TutTut: Damned you Alan,I haden't noticed the indicator sound,now that you've brought it up,I'm peeved now cause I can't hear mine :TutTut:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Mike SX on July 04, 2013, 17:01:58
:TutTut: Damned you Alan,I haden't noticed the indicator sound,now that you've brought it up,I'm peeved now cause I can't hear mine :TutTut:

Never could hear mine - except when a trailer is connected.

Could not a similar "sound" system be used, can't believe it would cost £60.00......
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: AlanHo on July 17, 2013, 23:16:29
I had the direction indicator sounder fitted at my Hyundai dealership today. I appreciate and thank you guys for the various ideas for a DIY solution posted in this thread - but I can't be arsed to frig about with the car's electrics for the sake of just £60.

The installation is perfect - it emits a sound a bit like the reversing audio warnings on a lorry - but much less noisy. I can hear it clearly - even on rough roads - but it is not too loud to irritate my wife who has excellent hearing.

I was told that the technician can trim the noise level up or down if I need it - but they got it spot on right first time.... :goodjob:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Dazzler on July 17, 2013, 23:22:27
That's great Alan  :goodjob2: :goodjob:

I found this sentence amusing.. Never imagined you saying something like that (in those words)  :lol:

Our Aussie influence maybe?

"but I can't be arsed to frig about with the car's electrics for the sake of just £60."
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 17, 2013, 23:23:49
And your warranty is preserved.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 18, 2013, 10:08:56
That's great Alan  :goodjob2: :goodjob:

I found this sentence amusing.. Never imagined you saying something like that (in those words)  :lol:

Our Aussie influence maybe?

"but I can't be arsed to frig about with the car's electrics for the sake of just £60."

I reckon either his account has been hacked by his dealership or his wife wrote it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Shambles on July 18, 2013, 22:00:25
Sounds like a great result (pardon the pun).


As for "can't be arsed" - you'll find it in common UK parlance I'm afraid (there's a lot we couldn't be arsed with) :lol:
Title: Re: Direction Indicator Sounder
Post by: Doggie 1 on July 19, 2013, 00:40:11
We say "can't be..." as well but we use another word.
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