I am completely impartial and unbiased towards the election.. as long as that cocky smug "acting" Prime Minister Rudd is turfed out on his ear when the election comes..Oh never mind .. I was going to say something mean and out of character for me.. but decided against it :cool:
I am completely impartial and unbiased towards the election.. as long as that cocky smug "acting" Prime Minister Rudd is turfed out on his ear when the election comes..Oh never mind .. I was going to say something mean and out of character for me.. but decided against it :cool:
Please explain how Kevin Rudd is the "acting" Prime Minister.
I am completely impartial and unbiased towards the election.. as long as that cocky smug "acting" Prime Minister Rudd is turfed out on his ear when the election comes..Oh never mind .. I was going to say something mean and out of character for me.. but decided against it :cool:
Please explain how Kevin Rudd is the "acting" Prime Minister.
Haven't you seen him on TV lately.. That is definitely classed as acting in my book :whistler:
Eye on the ball, people. Think party doctrines, not personal performances. :head_butt:
Parliament's in recess, so apart from kissing babies, what's to do.(click to show/hide)
Gonz, what is "economic freefall" exactly?
Oh, you must mean what is happening in Queensland under Campbell Newman. Silly me.
Breaking News.......
Prime Minister Rudd and PNG's Prime Minister have just signed a Regional Resettlement Agreement. The RRA will see all refugees that arrive in Australia will be processed under existing arrangements (Christmas Island, Naru or Manus Island). Those found to be genuine refugees will be resettled in PNG. Those who are found to not be genuine refugees will be returned to their country of origin. NO refugees will re resettled in Australia.
Looks like Kev might stop the boats.
Let's see what Mr Abbott has to say about this.
It's costing us billions now. The way I see it, it's just redirecting where the money is spent. And if it is at all successful and results in a reduction of th eboats, then the savings will follow.Breaking News.......
Prime Minister Rudd and PNG's Prime Minister have just signed a Regional Resettlement Agreement. The RRA will see all refugees that arrive in Australia will be processed under existing arrangements (Christmas Island, Naru or Manus Island). Those found to be genuine refugees will be resettled in PNG. Those who are found to not be genuine refugees will be returned to their country of origin. NO refugees will re resettled in Australia.
Looks like Kev might stop the boats.
Let's see what Mr Abbott has to say about this.
I can't wait to hear how many billions this will cost.
Apparently Rudd has promised to pay for it all, plus pay for developing PNG's university programme in the years to come, plus "other" projects that PNG wants to undertake, because, and I quote the PM himself, "That's what neighbours do."
Given that we can't afford our current interest payments, I would also like to know where all of this money is going to come from.
Or is "Middle Australia" going to be taxed even more to cover it all?
Time will tell.
"I love the way" some people find it convenient to forget the billions of dollars of our money John Howard spent "without a care in the world" sending us to a couple of wars. Wars which help start the exodus of refugees.
I resent that and I hope that the majority of Australians remember it on election day. I know I will.
Jamie, I don't begrudge any service personnel receiving what is due to them. I just begrudge the fact that John Howard sent you (and my son) to war based on lies. Talk about wasting billions.
Beerman, since 1992 I have leased my vehicles as I have always needed a vehicle for work..
I have used either a standard commercial lease with a residual and more recently, a commercial hire purchase arrangement with no residual.
During those 21 years I have been required by the ATO to maintain a log book for a period of 12 weeks. The purpose of the log book is to enable me to determine what percentage of travel is business related. This enables me to claim a percent of the total vehicle running costs (rego, insurance, fuel, tyres, servicing, lease payments etc) as a deduction off my taxable income.
From what I understand, the new Labor policy is to ensure that all work vehicles (including company provided or novated leased) do the same as I have explained above. In short, it is designed to ensure all people who use vehicles for work use do not use the Australian tax payer to fund their private use as is the case now.
This change is designed to have the same effect as the fringe benefit tax introduced by the Hawke government stopping long "business" lunches being claimed as a tax deduction.
Personally, I think it makes sense.
If Rudd misses out and Abbott gets in he'll be looking at your suggestions along with everything else that can be cut....Perhaps a few choice cuts will bring us back to viability where CAN afford pay rises. :rolleyes:
I don't get it, everyone is expecting cutbacks if Abbott gets in yet if Rudd cuts something back........ :undecided: :whistler: :lol:
Keith, if you don't think the Liberals are better money managers than Labor over the years, vote Labor.
I suspect you will anyway. ;)
Dave, the line often used by conservatives that governments should run their budgets like a household or business is utter nonsense.Sorry Terry. I hear this from time to time and don't agree.
Governments have responsibilities including foreign aid, providing infrastructure, funding social programs and welfare, etc. They do this with income (money generated by taxes) and borrowings.
Households and businesses do not have these non-income producing responsibilities. However, they both use income and borrowings to do what they have to do.
Australia's debt is not as disastrous as the conservative side of politics make out and one only has to do a bit of research to find out the facts.
Makes sense to me, Trev.I understand what youré saying but give it time.
Let's just bring on the austerity measures then.
Slash & burn government funding, grind government projects to a halt, sack tens of thousands of people, sell schools, kick people out of nursing homes and she'll all be apples. That certainly worked in Queensland. :fum: :disapp:
Makes sense to me, Trev.I understand what youré saying but give it time.
Let's just bring on the austerity measures then.
Slash & burn government funding, grind government projects to a halt, sack tens of thousands of people, sell schools, kick people out of nursing homes and she'll all be apples. That certainly worked in Queensland. :fum: :disapp:
If Anna had been just a little more sensible in her spending, we wouldn't have to slash and burn.
We're still paying for the health dept payroll debacle, the damn Traveston and the rusting salt water purifier.
First, I'll agree there needs to be balance to meet all commitments. Next, I'd say its a concept rather than a principle.That's all fine Keith but Labor had years to screw things up. And did a fine job of it. You can't fix that in one term. You try to get some of the bad stuff out of the way in the first couple of years and hope you can show some positives in year 3 before the next election.
Lets examine how this concept is working in Queensland where its been widely promoted that labour mismanagement has ruined the states economy although I see no evidence to show that this is in fact the case (agree there was waste - no doubt). First can do has reaped savings by sacking about 14000 public servants. No frontline staff were affected apparently except all the frontline staff that were sacked. Then he has slashed funding for programs intended to assist the marginalised in the community - without reducing or cutting back services. Amazing. Then he rehired a bunch of people but not to shore up frontline staff of course since they were not affected in the first place. Then he and his cohorts awarded themselves a big fat pay rise and later backed down when the word got out.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/qld-government-backs-down-on-mp-pay-rise/4809130 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/qld-government-backs-down-on-mp-pay-rise/4809130)
On the positive side can do's crew are looking at fixing antiquated IT systems that power the public sector and are costing a motza to maintain. That's a good thing when you see how much it costs right now. But wait, a strategy paper was released a full 3 years before can do was elected. So its not really his idea. But he has given the idea a cut and polish and is is taking it for a spin anyway.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/07/05/qld-minister-defends-new-ict-strategy-not-brochureware/ (http://delimiter.com.au/2013/07/05/qld-minister-defends-new-ict-strategy-not-brochureware/)
In response to the ICT Audit, this afternoon Queensland ICT Minister Ian Walker released what was described as an ICT Strategy to take the state forward in the years from 2013 to 2017. However, the document as a whole is only 16 pages long, of which six pages constitute cover sheets, blank pages, content pages and a glossary.
The document does not go into any detail about how Queensland plans to meet its unprecedented level of challenges with respect to its ICT processes and systems; instead it contains only a series of what could be described as ‘motherhood’ statements about the state’s principles about dealing with technology.
To be fair, the greatest IT debacle in Australian history, the Qld Health payroll happened under the previous administration. That was definitely a big fat fail. But lets see if can do can match it as the government embarks on a great big IT outsourcing program. Should be fun.
Now the proof, are we any better of with this current administration even after such a short time? I don't think so and there's about 14000 people who might have something to say about that as well.
Yes, its all about getting the balance right for sure.
Breaking News.......
Prime Minister Rudd and PNG's Prime Minister have just signed a Regional Resettlement Agreement. The RRA will see all refugees that arrive in Australia will be processed under existing arrangements (Christmas Island, Naru or Manus Island). Those found to be genuine refugees will be resettled in PNG. Those who are found to not be genuine refugees will be returned to their country of origin. NO refugees will re resettled in Australia.
Looks like Kev might stop the boats.
Let's see what Mr Abbott has to say about this.
First, I'll agree there needs to be balance to meet all commitments. Next, I'd say its a concept rather than a principle.That's all fine Keith but Labor had years to screw things up. And did a fine job of it. You can't fix that in one term. You try to get some of the bad stuff out of the way in the first couple of years and hope you can show some positives in year 3 before the next election.
Lets examine how this concept is working in Queensland where its been widely promoted that labour mismanagement has ruined the states economy although I see no evidence to show that this is in fact the case (agree there was waste - no doubt). First can do has reaped savings by sacking about 14000 public servants. No frontline staff were affected apparently except all the frontline staff that were sacked. Then he has slashed funding for programs intended to assist the marginalised in the community - without reducing or cutting back services. Amazing. Then he rehired a bunch of people but not to shore up frontline staff of course since they were not affected in the first place. Then he and his cohorts awarded themselves a big fat pay rise and later backed down when the word got out.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/qld-government-backs-down-on-mp-pay-rise/4809130 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/qld-government-backs-down-on-mp-pay-rise/4809130)
On the positive side can do's crew are looking at fixing antiquated IT systems that power the public sector and are costing a motza to maintain. That's a good thing when you see how much it costs right now. But wait, a strategy paper was released a full 3 years before can do was elected. So its not really his idea. But he has given the idea a cut and polish and is is taking it for a spin anyway.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/07/05/qld-minister-defends-new-ict-strategy-not-brochureware/ (http://delimiter.com.au/2013/07/05/qld-minister-defends-new-ict-strategy-not-brochureware/)
In response to the ICT Audit, this afternoon Queensland ICT Minister Ian Walker released what was described as an ICT Strategy to take the state forward in the years from 2013 to 2017. However, the document as a whole is only 16 pages long, of which six pages constitute cover sheets, blank pages, content pages and a glossary.
The document does not go into any detail about how Queensland plans to meet its unprecedented level of challenges with respect to its ICT processes and systems; instead it contains only a series of what could be described as ‘motherhood’ statements about the state’s principles about dealing with technology.
To be fair, the greatest IT debacle in Australian history, the Qld Health payroll happened under the previous administration. That was definitely a big fat fail. But lets see if can do can match it as the government embarks on a great big IT outsourcing program. Should be fun.
Now the proof, are we any better of with this current administration even after such a short time? I don't think so and there's about 14000 people who might have something to say about that as well.
Yes, its all about getting the balance right for sure.
The "balance"can only be judged after Campbell has had as many year sin office as Beatty/Bligh.
Breaking News.......
Prime Minister Rudd and PNG's Prime Minister have just signed a Regional Resettlement Agreement. The RRA will see all refugees that arrive in Australia will be processed under existing arrangements (Christmas Island, Naru or Manus Island). Those found to be genuine refugees will be resettled in PNG. Those who are found to not be genuine refugees will be returned to their country of origin. NO refugees will re resettled in Australia.
Looks like Kev might stop the boats.
Let's see what Mr Abbott has to say about this.
I dare say this speech by his Immigration Minister may provide some fodder.....
Labor committed to abolishing the Pacific Solution and this was one the first things the Rudd Labor Government did on taking office. It was also one of my greatest pleasures in politics. Neither humane nor fair, the Pacific Solution was also ineffective and wasteful.
At massive cost to the Australian taxpayer – I am advised that the Department of Immigration and Citizenship expended $309.8 million between September 2001 and 29 February 2008 to run the Nauru and Manus Offshore Processing Centres (OPCs) – the Howard government sought to outsource our international protection obligations to less developed countries when we should have been shouldering them ourselves…
The Pacific Solution was not about maintaining integrity or public confidence in Australia’s arrangements. It was about the cynical politics of punishing refugees for domestic political purposes.
So which one is it?
According to economists such as Professor Joseph Stiglitz it is precisely the level of stimulus spending Australia opted for when the GFC hit that saved Australia from a disastrous recession. If Hockey becomes Treasurer in September, he will inherit the world’s best- managed economy by a street.
A nice balanced argument guys well done :goodjob: I'm not going to buy into it or take sides .. :cool:
All I will say is..
db08 for Prime Minister
Surferdude for Deputy
and..
Beerman for Treasurer :snigger:
A nice balanced argument guys well done :goodjob: I'm not going to buy into it or take sides .. :cool:
All I will say is..
db08 for Prime Minister
Surferdude for Deputy
and..
Beerman for Treasurer :snigger:
UM for Speaker??? :rofl:
According to economists such as Professor Joseph Stiglitz it is precisely the level of stimulus spending Australia opted for when the GFC hit that saved Australia from a disastrous recession. If Hockey becomes Treasurer in September, he will inherit the world’s best- managed economy by a street.
:rofl:
That did make me laugh out loud.
Lucky that they inherited such a good set of books from Liberal then because if they hadn't, they wouldn't have had it to spend on pink batts and school buildings that weren't required.
If Joe Hockey becomes Treasurer at the election he will be inheriting a massive task to yet again reel in the massive and reckless spending we have seen since 2007.
Don't fall for the spin that Labor put on it. It is just spin.
A nice balanced argument guys well done :goodjob: I'm not going to buy into it or take sides .. :cool:
All I will say is..
db08 for Prime Minister
Surferdude for Deputy
and..
Beerman for Treasurer :snigger:
According to economists such as Professor Joseph Stiglitz it is precisely the level of stimulus spending Australia opted for when the GFC hit that saved Australia from a disastrous recession. If Hockey becomes Treasurer in September, he will inherit the world’s best- managed economy by a street.
:rofl:
That did make me laugh out loud.
Lucky that they inherited such a good set of books from Liberal then because if they hadn't, they wouldn't have had it to spend on pink batts and school buildings that weren't required.
If Joe Hockey becomes Treasurer at the election he will be inheriting a massive task to yet again reel in the massive and reckless spending we have seen since 2007.
Don't fall for the spin that Labor put on it. It is just spin.
Oh they all spin brother.....
If only they had have given the schools some cash and let them build what they wanted.....All schools could have managed their own build and gotten what they wanted for far less money.
Whilst I'm happy for the coin I received during the GFC, I'm sure that it could have been better spent on the Bruce Highway, upgrades to Brisbane's CBD rail tracks, a hospital or something we could actually look back and say, we have all this debt, and this is what we got for it.
According to economists such as Professor Joseph Stiglitz it is precisely the level of stimulus spending Australia opted for when the GFC hit that saved Australia from a disastrous recession. If Hockey becomes Treasurer in September, he will inherit the world’s best- managed economy by a street.
:rofl:
That did make me laugh out loud.
Lucky that they inherited such a good set of books from Liberal then because if they hadn't, they wouldn't have had it to spend on pink batts and school buildings that weren't required.
If Joe Hockey becomes Treasurer at the election he will be inheriting a massive task to yet again reel in the massive and reckless spending we have seen since 2007.
Don't fall for the spin that Labor put on it. It is just spin.
Oh they all spin brother.....
If only they had have given the schools some cash and let them build what they wanted.....All schools could have managed their own build and gotten what they wanted for far less money.
Whilst I'm happy for the coin I received during the GFC, I'm sure that it could have been better spent on the Bruce Highway, upgrades to Brisbane's CBD rail tracks, a hospital or something we could actually look back and say, we have all this debt, and this is what we got for it.
I didn't get a cent.
But then again, I don't think anyone should have got a cent.
All it did was allow people to purchase Chinese made TVs and prop up another country's economy.
You are right. For far, far, far, far less than they spent, they could have built a new major hospital in every capital city and poured money into untold things that Australians could have benefited from.
But instead, they wasted it and now it has to be paid back.
Truth is, they are just clueless.
:lol:
We must be bad, Dazz.
Even several dead people got it. :rolleyes:
They must know who votes what. :scared:
I don't care what you lot say, I reckon there are a few of these on here.... :whistler:
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I don't care what you lot say, I reckon there are a few of these on here.... :whistler:
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I don't care what you lot say, I reckon there are a few of these on here.... :whistler:
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Kettle Pot Black .. sort that out and get back to me (as Fatboy would say)
Dave, you don't really understand the purpose of the Economic Stimulus Package if you think building a "major hospital in every capital city" would have had the same effect as the roof insulation scheme, the school building program, bank deposit guarantees and the cash bonus.
Getting major projects like hospitals off the ground takes years and years of planning before the first sod of soil is turned, followed by years of construction. I know because I work in the major project "world".
The intention of the programs was to inject government funds very quickly into the economy across a broad number of industries and locations.
Despite some of the failures in the insulation and school programs, the ESP achieved it's aim to stimulate the economy. Australia came through the GFC relatively unscathed by world standards because of the ESP.
For every bad story you heard about the shortcomings of the ESP, there were hundreds of untold good outcomes. I believe this was mainly due to the media sensationally reporting the failures but never looking for the successes.
I remember at the time, the likes of Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt banging on about plasma TVs and money going down the pokies while never mentioning that people used the money for good purposes.
Personally, I look back on the ESP every time I drive past a school with a new multipurpose hall being used by not only the school, but the whole community, and I think, what a great use of taxpayer's money.
The intention of the programs was to inject government funds very quickly into the economy across a broad number of industries and locations.
Jamie, I don't begrudge any service personnel receiving what is due to them. I just begrudge the fact that John Howard sent you (and my son) to war based on lies. Talk about wasting billions.those un findable weapons of mass exaggeration. :whistler:
Releasing your policies early is always fraught with danger. :rofl:This poster makes a good point. Now, do I want the party that implements:
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Jamie, I don't begrudge any service personnel receiving what is due to them. I just begrudge the fact that John Howard sent you (and my son) to war based on lies. Talk about wasting billions.those un findable weapons of mass exaggeration. :whistler:
But the American's "knew" that the Iraqi regime had Weapons of Mass Destruction. They still had a copy of the receipt when they sold them to Saddam.
I'm still waiting for my first $900..... :undecided:I'm with you,but I noticed all the drug taking,alcohol sucking,dole bludging loosers here in our little town here got it,yep the pubs and drug dealers did done real good out of that deal
Given that Krudd abolished the policies that worked and the boats had already stopped, and is now spending BILLIONS of tax payers' dollars in trying to fix the problem that he caused, it's a bit rich to have a go at Tony Abbott! :lol:
As for the carbon tax, again, he is now leaving us wide open to a price on carbon which is to be determined by the free European market and subject to currency fluctuations between the AUD & the EUR.
Gee. Smart move, Kevin. :rolleyes:
He really is a dead set idiot this bloke who believes more in his own self-determined importance than what he is doing to Australia.
Get rid of the moron and the sooner the better. He is a danger. :fum:
Given that Krudd abolished the policies that worked and the boats had already stopped, and is now spending BILLIONS of tax payers' dollars in trying to fix the problem that he caused, it's a bit rich to have a go at Tony Abbott! :lol:
As for the carbon tax, again, he is now leaving us wide open to a price on carbon which is to be determined by the free European market and subject to currency fluctuations between the AUD & the EUR.
Gee. Smart move, Kevin. :rolleyes:
He really is a dead set idiot this bloke who believes more in his own self-determined importance than what he is doing to Australia.
Get rid of the moron and the sooner the better. He is a danger. :fum:
So, Dave, that must make John Howard and Tony Abbott look like "dead set idiots" as well because they both supported an ETS. In fact, Tony Abbott even supported a Carbon Tax...Google it.
Both parties will lie through their back teeth to get votes because we let them. It's actions, not words, I'll be judging. :wink:
Kev's upped the ante. Trump this, Tony.
http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366 (http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366)
Kev's upped the ante. Trump this, Tony.
http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366 (http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :judges:Kev's upped the ante. Trump this, Tony.
http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366 (http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366)
Fair dinkum, Terry, at first glance I thought it said "bounty-offered-to-fine-budgie-smugglers". I thought he was really going after Tony.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :judges:Kev's upped the ante. Trump this, Tony.
http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366 (http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366)
Fair dinkum, Terry, at first glance I thought it said "bounty-offered-to-fine-budgie-smugglers". I thought he was really going after Tony.
Given that Krudd abolished the policies that worked and the boats had already stopped, and is now spending BILLIONS of tax payers' dollars in trying to fix the problem that he caused, it's a bit rich to have a go at Tony Abbott! :lol:
As for the carbon tax, again, he is now leaving us wide open to a price on carbon which is to be determined by the free European market and subject to currency fluctuations between the AUD & the EUR.
Gee. Smart move, Kevin. :rolleyes:
He really is a dead set idiot this bloke who believes more in his own self-determined importance than what he is doing to Australia.
Get rid of the moron and the sooner the better. He is a danger. :fum:
So, Dave, that must make John Howard and Tony Abbott look like "dead set idiots" as well because they both supported an ETS. In fact, Tony Abbott even supported a Carbon Tax...Google it.
I just felt like goin' fishin' and I think I caught one. :D
Well await the abolition of the carbon tax because he doesn't now. :wink:
Turnbull supported a an ETS too but I'm glad he's not leading the party - many of his views are very left of centre. :fum:
Kev's upped the ante. Trump this, Tony.
http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366 (http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/bounty-offered-to-find-people-smugglers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226682653366)
Unbelievable.
More tax payers money. :rolleyes:
Why not properly fund the appropriate authorities to enable them to track down these criminals and do their job?
Honestly, the man's a moron.
I can't believe you fall for all this spin.
Why do you think he has suddenly done this just before an election?
A new found commitment to protect our borders and rid ourselves of these criminals? Or perhaps to try to win some votes from those who say he hasn't been tough enough?
Liberal policies have been set and stable for years.
Remember how many asylum seekers were in detention when Krudd took over?
Google that.
necessary but has to be controlled, middle income earners should be supported not taxed to death.
My take on state Liberals regarding utility prices is that they have done too much too soon.In NSW and Qld, when the solar discussion has come up the legal position has been that the existing agreements are unbreakable contracts. Hopefully that will remain the case.
There is no way the average punter can cope with the increases brought about by the Barnett government in its efforts to achieve price reflectivity.
Having said that, of course blind Freddie could see they had to raise prices because in the previous eight years of Labor government they neglected their duties and didn't raise them one cent.
So again, it was the Libs (at state level) who had to do the dirty work.
But they went too far IMO. There is no way people should have been subjected to such massive increases in such a short space of time and I really thought it would have hurt the Liberals more at the last state election than it did.
And as far as solar is concerned, it's a wait and see game but I can't say that I'm overly confident they will do the right thing by those who have already installed solar systems in their houses. I hope they do but I'm not holding my breath.
My take on state Liberals regarding utility prices is that they have done too much too soon.In NSW and Qld, when the solar discussion has come up the legal position has been that the existing agreements are unbreakable contracts. Hopefully that will remain the case.
There is no way the average punter can cope with the increases brought about by the Barnett government in its efforts to achieve price reflectivity.
Having said that, of course blind Freddie could see they had to raise prices because in the previous eight years of Labor government they neglected their duties and didn't raise them one cent.
So again, it was the Libs (at state level) who had to do the dirty work.
But they went too far IMO. There is no way people should have been subjected to such massive increases in such a short space of time and I really thought it would have hurt the Liberals more at the last state election than it did.
And as far as solar is concerned, it's a wait and see game but I can't say that I'm overly confident they will do the right thing by those who have already installed solar systems in their houses. I hope they do but I'm not holding my breath.
Once again, an Australian government is spending truckloads of our money on advertising that is purely designed to win votes for itself. Both sides do it.A significant proportion of people already in Australia from the countries where the current crop of refugees/ boat people ar ecoming from will read the ads and you can bet they will be in contact with their relatives and friend still either back home or in Indonesia, to let them know about the new plan. THAT'S who the ads are aimed at.
Labor is even putting full-page advertisements in the Melbourne newspapers (so I imagine this is happening across the country) to tell potential refugees that they will be sent to PNG if they manage to get here. As if the refugees are sitting back, in Indonesia, reading The Age.
Clearly, these adverts are aimed at voters, not refugees.
I should keep a count on the different topics for all the ads. More jobs, better schools, NDIS etc etc. It's appalling. And politicians probably still wonder why they are held in contempt.
Eureka, you must lead a pretty sheltered life if you don't think Indonesian people smugglers don't have internet access.
Dave, the intent of my reply to Eureka was not mean to offend, it was simply responding to Eureka's assertion that refugees were not "sitting back, in Indonesia, reading The Age".
Anyone in today's age of the internet and smart phones that thinks people in Indonesia can't read Aussie newspapers is way behind the times.
I agree there is a good chance that the smugglers or potential refugees or whoever in Indonesia or wherever could see the ads in our newspapers. But how often would they need to run these ads for that particular purpose and how much $ is being spent on these ads? How much $ is being spent on all the other - clearly political - government advertising?
Like I said before, they both do it. I have a vague idea that Howard might have spent $100 million on advertising in one of his terms of office.
It's a disgrace.
Bugger. Looks like we are stuck with making a choice from this lot then.Great post Keith. But doesn't your last par sort of fly in the face of this However in recent years, both parties have moved closer to the middle, their policy ideals are actually not dissimilar in many respects. Its hard to tell at the moment since the libs are yet to reveal any actual policies, but their book of tree hugging motherhood statements seems to echo what labour are on about as well. So lets assume they both want the same things for Australia which at face value it seems they do, what are the real differences? And why would you select one party over another?
So what are these liberal and labour values that are so highly esteemed (or not) that people won't stop and consider the policies that each party is proposing. According to some scholars, Howard has aligned or blurred the distinction between values and national identity.
From an article in the Australian Political Journal author Johnson covers the following "More recent arguments influenced debates over foreign policy, counter terrorism measures, industrial relations policy and the banning of same-sex marriage. In particular, the article explores the relationship between Howard's ‘values’ and Anglo-Celtic identity, social conservatism, the Christian Right and a neo-liberal ‘entrepreneurial culture’. It suggests that Howard is using his emphasis on the relationship between values and national identity to endorse and encourage particular forms of citizen identity (which also have policy and electoral implications). This is despite Howard's earlier critique of Keating for using debates over national identity to engage in social engineering."
(DOI:10.1080/10361140701319986 for anyone that wants to read it.)
Think about it. Remember the term "unaustralian"? This was used to put down any idea that opposed liberal policies, a clever tactic. Rather than saying "no" Tony Abbot style you could just say its unaustralian.
But what are liberal values? Once again according to scholars "In Australia the Liberal Party is more to the right of the political spectrum and the Labor Party is more to the left".
However in recent years, both parties have moved closer to the middle, their policy ideals are actually not dissimilar in many respects. Its hard to tell at the moment since the libs are yet to reveal any actual policies, but their book of tree hugging motherhood statements seems to echo what labour are on about as well. So lets assume they both want the same things for Australia which at face value it seems they do, what are the real differences? And why would you select one party over another?
If you cut through the BS espoused by both sides and really analyse whats on offer, whats the difference - seriously?
I think it gets down to the candidates. krudd and abbot seem to polarise opinion. Both are either the messiah or the devil depending on which side of the political divide one stand on with no real reason given for different opinions, just regurgitation of spin.
It makes sense to abandon political allegiances long enough to examine the actual policies and politics of both parties to help make an informed decision about which way to cast a vote. Because right now it looks like a popularity contest and this is far more serious than voting for class president.
Bugger. Looks like we are stuck with making a choice from this lot then.Great post Keith. But doesn't your last par sort of fly in the face of this However in recent years, both parties have moved closer to the middle, their policy ideals are actually not dissimilar in many respects. Its hard to tell at the moment since the libs are yet to reveal any actual policies, but their book of tree hugging motherhood statements seems to echo what labour are on about as well. So lets assume they both want the same things for Australia which at face value it seems they do, what are the real differences? And why would you select one party over another?
So what are these liberal and labour values that are so highly esteemed (or not) that people won't stop and consider the policies that each party is proposing. According to some scholars, Howard has aligned or blurred the distinction between values and national identity.
From an article in the Australian Political Journal author Johnson covers the following "More recent arguments influenced debates over foreign policy, counter terrorism measures, industrial relations policy and the banning of same-sex marriage. In particular, the article explores the relationship between Howard's ‘values’ and Anglo-Celtic identity, social conservatism, the Christian Right and a neo-liberal ‘entrepreneurial culture’. It suggests that Howard is using his emphasis on the relationship between values and national identity to endorse and encourage particular forms of citizen identity (which also have policy and electoral implications). This is despite Howard's earlier critique of Keating for using debates over national identity to engage in social engineering."
(DOI:10.1080/10361140701319986 for anyone that wants to read it.)
Think about it. Remember the term "unaustralian"? This was used to put down any idea that opposed liberal policies, a clever tactic. Rather than saying "no" Tony Abbot style you could just say its unaustralian.
But what are liberal values? Once again according to scholars "In Australia the Liberal Party is more to the right of the political spectrum and the Labor Party is more to the left".
However in recent years, both parties have moved closer to the middle, their policy ideals are actually not dissimilar in many respects. Its hard to tell at the moment since the libs are yet to reveal any actual policies, but their book of tree hugging motherhood statements seems to echo what labour are on about as well. So lets assume they both want the same things for Australia which at face value it seems they do, what are the real differences? And why would you select one party over another?
If you cut through the BS espoused by both sides and really analyse whats on offer, whats the difference - seriously?
I think it gets down to the candidates. krudd and abbot seem to polarise opinion. Both are either the messiah or the devil depending on which side of the political divide one stand on with no real reason given for different opinions, just regurgitation of spin.
It makes sense to abandon political allegiances long enough to examine the actual policies and politics of both parties to help make an informed decision about which way to cast a vote. Because right now it looks like a popularity contest and this is far more serious than voting for class president.
I think that drags the decision making process back towards the popularity thing.
It's a difficult decision.
I understand. But, in all fairness, stated policies or not, we can be pretty sure what each is going to do or try to do.Bugger. Looks like we are stuck with making a choice from this lot then.Great post Keith. But doesn't your last par sort of fly in the face of this However in recent years, both parties have moved closer to the middle, their policy ideals are actually not dissimilar in many respects. Its hard to tell at the moment since the libs are yet to reveal any actual policies, but their book of tree hugging motherhood statements seems to echo what labour are on about as well. So lets assume they both want the same things for Australia which at face value it seems they do, what are the real differences? And why would you select one party over another?
So what are these liberal and labour values that are so highly esteemed (or not) that people won't stop and consider the policies that each party is proposing. According to some scholars, Howard has aligned or blurred the distinction between values and national identity.
From an article in the Australian Political Journal author Johnson covers the following "More recent arguments influenced debates over foreign policy, counter terrorism measures, industrial relations policy and the banning of same-sex marriage. In particular, the article explores the relationship between Howard's ‘values’ and Anglo-Celtic identity, social conservatism, the Christian Right and a neo-liberal ‘entrepreneurial culture’. It suggests that Howard is using his emphasis on the relationship between values and national identity to endorse and encourage particular forms of citizen identity (which also have policy and electoral implications). This is despite Howard's earlier critique of Keating for using debates over national identity to engage in social engineering."
(DOI:10.1080/10361140701319986 for anyone that wants to read it.)
Think about it. Remember the term "unaustralian"? This was used to put down any idea that opposed liberal policies, a clever tactic. Rather than saying "no" Tony Abbot style you could just say its unaustralian.
But what are liberal values? Once again according to scholars "In Australia the Liberal Party is more to the right of the political spectrum and the Labor Party is more to the left".
However in recent years, both parties have moved closer to the middle, their policy ideals are actually not dissimilar in many respects. Its hard to tell at the moment since the libs are yet to reveal any actual policies, but their book of tree hugging motherhood statements seems to echo what labour are on about as well. So lets assume they both want the same things for Australia which at face value it seems they do, what are the real differences? And why would you select one party over another?
If you cut through the BS espoused by both sides and really analyse whats on offer, whats the difference - seriously?
I think it gets down to the candidates. krudd and abbot seem to polarise opinion. Both are either the messiah or the devil depending on which side of the political divide one stand on with no real reason given for different opinions, just regurgitation of spin.
It makes sense to abandon political allegiances long enough to examine the actual policies and politics of both parties to help make an informed decision about which way to cast a vote. Because right now it looks like a popularity contest and this is far more serious than voting for class president.
I think that drags the decision making process back towards the popularity thing.
It's a difficult decision.
Not really, one side has policies on the table for better or worse and the other is yet to reveal their grand plan for you and me. I'm hoping that when the reveal actually happens there will then be a basis for making an informed decision. If one party makes a compelling pitch for my vote I will listen. If only one party reveals their intentions, then I have nothing to base a comparison on. I think its as simple, and as difficult, as that.
Bear in mind also that Mulder was right. ;)
Can't disagree with anything you said Dave :goodjob:You guys break me up. Just because I call "carn the pies" doesn't make them the better team.
Sensible spending yes. Reckless spending no.
Check out our daily interest payments, consider the huge amounts of money they wasted on stimulus (it's well documented), try to reconcile the two and don't bother telling me I'm repeating political spin.
Krudd is the King of Spin and plenty of pundits believe him. Apparently. ;)
Tony nicks Kev's policy. :disapp:
http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-to-add-most-of-png-solution-to-boats-policy-20130724-2qjqk.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-to-add-most-of-png-solution-to-boats-policy-20130724-2qjqk.html)
I'm probably considered as showing a bias but I'm attempting to stay apolitical. Other than my obvious contempt of John Howard of course. ;)
I'm probably considered as showing a bias but I'm attempting to stay apolitical. Other than my obvious contempt of John Howard of course. ;)
You're failing. :lol:
I'm not attempting to remain apolitical at all. I'm unashamedly on the right side of centre when it comes to politics.
Sensible spending yes. Reckless spending no.
Check out our daily interest payments, consider the huge amounts of money they wasted on stimulus (it's well documented), try to reconcile the two and don't bother telling me I'm repeating political spin.
Krudd is the King of Spin and plenty of pundits believe him. Apparently. ;)
The IMF begs to differ. http://www.petermartin.com.au/2013/01/howard-was-your-most-wasteful.html (http://www.petermartin.com.au/2013/01/howard-was-your-most-wasteful.html)
Tony nicks Kev's policy. :disapp:
http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-to-add-most-of-png-solution-to-boats-policy-20130724-2qjqk.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-to-add-most-of-png-solution-to-boats-policy-20130724-2qjqk.html)
No worries. Here's the whole report to get the bigger picture. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf)
You'll find its an extensive and detailed analysis of many countries performance over many years. All they did was interpret the data based on standardised measures. Here's the abstract:
We draw on a newly collected historical dataset of fiscal variables for a large panel of countries—to our knowledge, the most comprehensive database currently available—to gauge the degree of fiscal prudence or profligacy for each country over the past several decades. Specifically, our dataset consists of fiscal revenues, primary expenditures, the interest bill (and thus both the primary and the overall fiscal deficit), the government debt, and gross domestic product, for 55 countries for up to two hundred years. For the first time, a large cross country historical data set covers both fiscal stocks and flows. Using Bohn’s (1998) approach and other tests for fiscal sustainability, we document how the degree of prudence or profligacy varies significantly over time within individual countries. We find that such variation is driven in part by unexpected changes in potential economic growth and sovereign borrowing costs.
This report is an academic endeavour and I'm a little unclear how such a study implies bias.
I'd be a bit wary of any sort of guidance from Joe "Hockeynomics" Hockey. There are endless examples of his fiscal incompetence which should be sending up big red flags everywhere. As I've mentioned before the current opposition lack the minds behind the previous administrations financial management, determined by this report to be not as awesome as they would like you to believe anyway. Emperor Hockey has no clothes when it comes to fiscal credibility. Be afraid.
And I'd be pleased to see any credible reports to the contrary to provide a bit of balance. I can't find any and I've looked far and wide.
No worries. Here's the whole report to get the bigger picture. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf)
You'll find its an extensive and detailed analysis of many countries performance over many years. All they did was interpret the data based on standardised measures. Here's the abstract:
We draw on a newly collected historical dataset of fiscal variables for a large panel of countries—to our knowledge, the most comprehensive database currently available—to gauge the degree of fiscal prudence or profligacy for each country over the past several decades. Specifically, our dataset consists of fiscal revenues, primary expenditures, the interest bill (and thus both the primary and the overall fiscal deficit), the government debt, and gross domestic product, for 55 countries for up to two hundred years. For the first time, a large cross country historical data set covers both fiscal stocks and flows. Using Bohn’s (1998) approach and other tests for fiscal sustainability, we document how the degree of prudence or profligacy varies significantly over time within individual countries. We find that such variation is driven in part by unexpected changes in potential economic growth and sovereign borrowing costs.
This report is an academic endeavour and I'm a little unclear how such a study implies bias.
I'd be a bit wary of any sort of guidance from Joe "Hockeynomics" Hockey. There are endless examples of his fiscal incompetence which should be sending up big red flags everywhere. As I've mentioned before the current opposition lack the minds behind the previous administrations financial management, determined by this report to be not as awesome as they would like you to believe anyway. Emperor Hockey has no clothes when it comes to fiscal credibility. Be afraid.
And I'd be pleased to see any credible reports to the contrary to provide a bit of balance. I can't find any and I've looked far and wide.
You should get a job in politics, Keith.
With all due respect, you talk like one. :mrgreen:
Is Joe Hockynomics up to the job of Treasurer?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYquo--5tl0&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYquo--5tl0#)
No worries. Here's the whole report to get the bigger picture. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf)
You'll find its an extensive and detailed analysis of many countries performance over many years. All they did was interpret the data based on standardised measures. Here's the abstract:
We draw on a newly collected historical dataset of fiscal variables for a large panel of countries—to our knowledge, the most comprehensive database currently available—to gauge the degree of fiscal prudence or profligacy for each country over the past several decades. Specifically, our dataset consists of fiscal revenues, primary expenditures, the interest bill (and thus both the primary and the overall fiscal deficit), the government debt, and gross domestic product, for 55 countries for up to two hundred years. For the first time, a large cross country historical data set covers both fiscal stocks and flows. Using Bohn’s (1998) approach and other tests for fiscal sustainability, we document how the degree of prudence or profligacy varies significantly over time within individual countries. We find that such variation is driven in part by unexpected changes in potential economic growth and sovereign borrowing costs.
This report is an academic endeavour and I'm a little unclear how such a study implies bias.
I'd be a bit wary of any sort of guidance from Joe "Hockeynomics" Hockey. There are endless examples of his fiscal incompetence which should be sending up big red flags everywhere. As I've mentioned before the current opposition lack the minds behind the previous administrations financial management, determined by this report to be not as awesome as they would like you to believe anyway. Emperor Hockey has no clothes when it comes to fiscal credibility. Be afraid.
And I'd be pleased to see any credible reports to the contrary to provide a bit of balance. I can't find any and I've looked far and wide.
You should get a job in politics, Keith.
With all due respect, you talk like one. :mrgreen:
Do I need to say pot, kettle, black? :whistler:
As I said on another post, I'm looking forward to having a beer with Keith on Sunday and taking about Dave. :mrgreen:
As I said on another post, I'm looking forward to having a beer with Keith on Sunday and taking about Dave. :mrgreen:
So, what is it specifically about Dave, you're going to take. :whistler:
His eye patch... :whistler:
As I said on another post, I'm looking forward to having a beer with Keith on Sunday and taking about Dave. :mrgreen:
So, what is it specifically about Dave, you're going to take. :whistler:
He'd probably like my b***s. :lol:
His eye patch... :whistler:
Could always borrow yours Rusty...
Or is it worn out? :whistler:
Dave, this isn't an "entertaining little piece". This is the man who wants to be Australia's next treasurer. Put him under a bit of pressure and he collapses like a house of cards. The man needs to ace up a bit.
His eye patch... :whistler:
Could always borrow yours Rusty...
Or is it worn out? :whistler:
Not from talking politics, it's not... :P
His eye patch... :whistler:
Could always borrow yours Rusty...
Or is it worn out? :whistler:
Not from talking politics, it's not... :P
Rusty, I like you, but you really are funny bugger.
Look me in the eyes and tell me that you will consider voting Liberal "if the policies are right."
Yes, I thought so.
You're probably right....the Libs haven't given me anything to consider yet... :whistler:
Dave, this isn't an "entertaining little piece". This is the man who wants to be Australia's next treasurer. Put him under a bit of pressure and he collapses like a house of cards. The man needs to ace up a bit.
What amuses me is this.
Maybe I am a one-eyed Liberal supporter but at least I admit it. I have very good reasons to be so.
But a handful of you guys (just some) pretend like you are interested in a "balanced" argument and are "waiting to see the policies."
Honestly. Give me a break. :lol: :head_butt:
You are as one-eyed Labor as I am Liberal, which is fine, but at least have the balls to admit it and don't pretend to be something that you are not.
Your red credentials are showing. ;)
But what really pisses me off is when staunch Labor voters pretend they have a balanced view. Crap.
Then what do you think of the policy announced today by the Liberals, if you want to talk policy?
But what really pisses me off is when staunch Labor voters pretend they have a balanced view. Crap.
So staunch Liberal voters don't have to pretend, as their view is always balanced. :disapp:
QuoteThen what do you think of the policy announced today by the Liberals, if you want to talk policy?
Would that be the "3 Star General" policy?
After all, Tony's policies are coming so thick and fast, I can't keep up.
But what really pisses me off is when staunch Labor voters pretend they have a balanced view. Crap.
So staunch Liberal voters don't have to pretend, as their view is always balanced. :disapp:
Oh come on, Terry, don't resort to that. :fum:
I have never pretended and I have never said that my view is balanced.
I believe what I believe and I say so.
:rofl:Ya just gotta luv the Kat in a Hat. :D
He's a loose canon.
I wonder who sang that? A Slim sound-alike. :)
But what really pisses me off is when staunch Labor voters pretend they have a balanced view. Crap.
So staunch Liberal voters don't have to pretend, as their view is always balanced. :disapp:
Oh come on, Terry, don't resort to that. :fum:
I have never pretended and I have never said that my view is balanced.
I believe what I believe and I say so.
But you did say "staunch Labor voters pretend they have a balanced view".
My point is that you infer that staunch Liberal do not pretend to have a balanced view.
Dave, it's about time you and I got a bed so someone else can have a post. :happydance:
(You can be the one with the tatts) :rofl:
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Looks like Tony was Missing In Action tonight on the 7:30 Report. He trotted out retired Army Major-General Jim Molan to explain the nee Liberal Party asylum seeker policy.
Is Tony ever going to talk to Leigh Sales?
Since we're into political commentary, I think TA is at pains to show he has a team of frontrunners in contrast to KR's one-man show. He also is careful not to say too much too soon. I'm sure this will spawn more argument but that's my take. :p
Looks like Tony was Missing In Action tonight on the 7:30 Report. He trotted out retired Army Major-General Jim Molan to explain the nee Liberal Party asylum seeker policy.
Is Tony ever going to talk to Leigh Sales?
Doubt it. She asks difficult questions.
Is Pauline a candidate, this election. :question:
Only in Queensland :head_butt: :scared: :faint:Like Capper, most of the dickheads in Queensland weren't born here. :P
http://brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/election-warwick-capper-to-lead-burger-urge-party-20130726-2qpa5.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/election-warwick-capper-to-lead-burger-urge-party-20130726-2qpa5.html)
Only in Queensland :head_butt: :scared: :faint:Like Capper, most of the dickheads in Queensland weren't born here. :P
http://brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/election-warwick-capper-to-lead-burger-urge-party-20130726-2qpa5.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/election-warwick-capper-to-lead-burger-urge-party-20130726-2qpa5.html)
Yes, TA will have to make cuts to fix up Labor's mess, but the Liberals will do it with a view to getting the nation's finances back in debt.
Yes, TA will have to make cuts to fix up Labor's mess, but the Liberals will do it with a view to getting the nation's finances back in debt.
:question: :undecided:
Phil beat me to it. :happydance:Yes, TA will have to make cuts to fix up Labor's mess, but the Liberals will do it with a view to getting the nation's finances back in debt.
:question: :undecided:
:rofl:
Back in the black, obviously.
Hell, we're so far in debt now, we don't want any more. :lol:
I don't really have a problem with it either....
As for the kids going without food?
No one is holding a gun to the parent's head making them purchase smokes over food... :rolleyes:
Seems Rudd can't win, all you Liberal lovers have been saying Abbot is gonna have to fix up Labors mess...so, how, pray tell is he going to do that?
By NOT increasing taxes and/or cutting back services??? :snigger: :rofl:
Looks like Labor's Gonski isn't as big a Conski as Christopher would have us think . :rofl:
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Can Joe Hockey work with Treasury?
http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/03/joe-hockey/hockey-says-government-numbers-every-number-wrong/ (http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/03/joe-hockey/hockey-says-government-numbers-every-number-wrong/)
What are you doing UM, that was db08's job to post that vid. :undecided: :mrgreen:My point is that the ad was a lie, and John Howard knew it was a lie.
A week or three ago I defended a Labor MP who failed miserably when interviewed by a TV reporter.
As I said, it could happen to anyone I guess.
Well, it was the Libs' turn today with this new MP totally stumped for words. :lol: Poor bugger.
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-forgives-liberal-party8217s-greenway-candidate-jaymes-diaz8217s-asylum-seeker-gaffe/story-fnii5s3x-1226692070233 (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-forgives-liberal-party8217s-greenway-candidate-jaymes-diaz8217s-asylum-seeker-gaffe/story-fnii5s3x-1226692070233)
I came out firmly in the middle of the bottom right corner. :D
:Shocked:I came out firmly in the middle of the bottom right corner. :D
I just came out firm in the middle if the bottom. :whistler:
You asked how many shadow treasurers. :undecided:
Get a room, you two. :lol:
Here's another one who wasn't up to the job. :disapp:
www.smh.com.au/national/bishop-quits-as-shadow-treasurer-20090216-88ku.html (http://www.smh.com.au/national/bishop-quits-as-shadow-treasurer-20090216-88ku.html)
Never mind Dave... :Pout:
Some people are good with figures, then there's poor ol' Joe...me thinks he was a clown in a previous life... :rofl:
Did you know he is a lawyer by trade - a banking and finance lawyer no less?
Never mind Dave... :Pout:
Some people are good with figures, then there's poor ol' Joe...me thinks he was a clown in a previous life... :rofl:
Leopards don't change thir spots & birds of a feather flock together.
Great judgement shown by Deputy PM Albo. :rolleyes:
He has been banished from the Labor Party and is facing more than 170 fraud and theft charges including allegations he used union funds to pay for prostitutes.
But that didn't stop Deputy Prime Minister Anthony Albanese last night enjoying a few beers with controversial Independent MP Craig Thomson in the middle of the election campaign.
Not my recollection of it.
Tony Abbott had been trying to get rid of Slipper for ages, Terry.
Fair cop. :wtf:
You insinuate Albo has "spots" for having a beer with Thompson, who at this stage is not guilty of anything. Yet when I post some facts, not dirt, on the fact Abbott supported Slippery Pete, it somehow means in your eyes that Tony doesn't have "spots".
For your information, the LNP in Queensland drove Slipper out of the party. Julia Gillard
You find lots of things strange. :lol:
Rather than trying to cloud the issue, what do you think about your deputy PM engaging socially with Thompson during an election campaign, bearing in mind that Thompson has been charged with criminal offences?
Do you think that is acceptable?
You find lots of things strange. :lol:
Rather than trying to cloud the issue, what do you think about your deputy PM engaging socially with Thompson during an election campaign, bearing in mind that Thompson has been charged with criminal offences?
Do you think that is acceptable?
Yes, I do think it's acceptable. Albo can have a beer with whoever he like. If Thompson was a convicted criminal, I would find it unacceptable.
What I do find unacceptable is the man who wants to be our next PM defending a person who was proven to have defrauded the Commonwealth.
Fascinating, but it just shows that they're all dishonest and we're forced to choose whomever may be the lesser evil or danger to our country. :rolleyes:
Good to see One Nation has picked some bright canditates :rofl:
Only in Queensland :head_butt: :Dunno:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html)
Posted without predjudice................. :whistler:
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Watch out bubs. pollies are out and about.
Stop theboatskisses :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
.Getting back to this sorry for going :offtopic: again,but it is great to actually see Barnett actually keep one of his promises,he has slashed the Trarrif for solarusers who got in early from 40 cents to 20cents,it has also been rumoured,next years budget it wil be cut again to what the rest of us late comers get,less than 10 cents,onya Colin.
And as far as solar is concerned, it's a wait and see game but I can't say that I'm overly confident they will do the right thing by those who have already installed solar systems in their houses. I hope they do but I'm not holding my breath.
IMO he has stuffed up.:goodjob:
How the hell can he do that when the people who bought the early solar systems for such high prices have a contract?
If he doesn't back down on that one, my feeling is he will get, and deserves, a class action from disgruntles solar participants.
As in my above post, I told you not to hold your breath. :whistler:
Dave is correct, a contract is binding and that's that, which is how it should be. :goodjob2:Yep. Barry O'Farrell tried to override the contracts when he came to power in NSW but wasn't able to do so. Similar talk in Qld came to naught (thankfully).
Yes we signed up not that long ago and yes the new FIT is a pitance,also it is revued regularly(apparently)ours has changed twice in two billing cyclesDave is correct, a contract is binding and that's that, which is how it should be. :goodjob2:Yep. Barry O'Farrell tried to override the contracts when he came to power in NSW but wasn't able to do so. Similar talk in Qld came to naught (thankfully).
What they CAN do is change the FIT for new sign ups.
Looks like our One Nation candidate has become famous :mrgreen:
www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/stephanie-banister-compared-with-sarah-palin-as-gafferidden-interview-makes-headlines-around-the-world-20130809-2rlx4.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/stephanie-banister-compared-with-sarah-palin-as-gafferidden-interview-makes-headlines-around-the-world-20130809-2rlx4.html)
But she can't cope with all the attention. :fum:
www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gaffeprone-one-nation-candidate-withdraws-from-election-campaign-20130810-2rocq.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gaffeprone-one-nation-candidate-withdraws-from-election-campaign-20130810-2rocq.html)
At least Big Mal gave the sauce bottle a fair shake :rofl:He was meant for bigger things.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=79LaIL6x5d0&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79LaIL6x5d0#)
IMO he has stuffed up.:goodjob:
How the hell can he do that when the people who bought the early solar systems for such high prices have a contract?
If he doesn't back down on that one, my feeling is he will get, and deserves, a class action from disgruntles solar participants.
As in my above post, I told you not to hold your breath. :whistler:
OK. Now I'm on record as preferring the LNP.
And I agree you can make the figures prove almost anything you want. So, would some of you have a look at this link and care to either pick it to pieces or support it?
I don't know who "Independent Australia" is, nor what their political leanings are, but they quote some interesting figures, some of which I have seen elsewhere.
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-all-these-lies/ (http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-all-these-lies/)
I just watched the debate.
I expected Rudd to trounce Abbott as he's a better media personality and is used to gobbing off.
But I have to say I thought Rudd's performance was pretty average and Abbott did much better than I expected in that environment.
Both made a couple of obvious errors but I saw Abbott as the stronger of the two.
What did you all think?
I just watched the debate.
I expected Rudd to trounce Abbott as he's a better media personality and is used to gobbing off.
But I have to say I thought Rudd's performance was pretty average and Abbott did much better than I expected in that environment.
Both made a couple of obvious errors but I saw Abbott as the stronger of the two.
What did you all think?
I was too scared to watch it because as you hinted at krudd is the king of spin.. Hope Joe public saw it the same way (will be interesting to see how the media rated them) :cool:
:lol:
That's because he can.
That is surprising, I have to say, that Mrs UM leans right. :Shocked:
It's always good to have at least one sensible adult in the house though. ;)
No contest, how anyone could say Abbott won the debate has got me beat... :eek::whsaid: You've being a bit harsh on morons there, rustynutz. :rofl:
I don't think he answered a single question asked of him....What a moron! :rofl:
:whsaid: You've being a bit harsh on morons there, rustynutz. :rofl:
:lol:
That's because he can.
That is surprising, I have to say, that Mrs UM leans right. :Shocked:
It's always good to have at least one sensible adult in the house though. ;)
Mrs UM also barracks for NSW in State Of Origin. :fum:
Dave, if you could please explain how Tony will "STOP the boats", I would be most grateful. Tony himself didn't quite get his point across on this subject tonight.
BTW, by "stop", I mean...eliminate, finish, crush, destroy, never again, no more, ever.
I missed it all :happydance:
Doing map maintenance.
There's a lot of key strokes in your last post, Dave, however not one if them made me any the wiser on how Tony will actually "STOP" the boats.
You chided me in one of my earlier posts about clouding the issue, but seriously, my question was not about what Rudd has done wrong, it was about how Tony will fix it (apart from using three word slogans).
All I got from Tony tonight was..
1 We'll salvage what we can from Labor's policy, and
2 We'll turn the boats around when safe to do so.
I'm not the bloke who wants to be PM, but, gee, if I had that platform tonight, I would have rammed my asylum seeker policy down Kev's neck.
I missed it all :happydance:
Doing map maintenance.
You didn't miss much, Phil.
Lots of um, ums from Tony and lots of hand waving from Kev. :blubber:
I'm not ducking or denying facts, Dave, I just want to know how Tony is going to "STOP" the boats, I mean, really STOP them. :snigger:
I'm not ducking or denying facts, Dave, I just want to know how Tony is going to "STOP" the boats, I mean, really STOP them. :snigger:
RAN stops boats and turns them away from Australian waters when safe to do so.
The Pacific Solution that the COALITION introduced and Rudd has now reverted to after 6 years. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Temporary Protection Visas so no matter how compelling the argument, refugees will not be granted permanent residency in Australia if they come via people smugglers' boats.
That is how.
The same way the Liberal/Nationals STOPPED them before Krudd cocked it up!
I missed it all :happydance:
Doing map maintenance.
You didn't miss much, Phil.
Lots of um, ums from Tony and lots of hand waving from Kev. :blubber:
Lots of short, sharp answers from Tony (with one big failure IMO) and lots more of the spin and BS from Krudd.
I'm not ducking or denying facts, Dave, I just want to know how Tony is going to "STOP" the boats, I mean, really STOP them. :snigger:
RAN stops boats and turns them away from Australian waters when safe to do so.
The Pacific Solution that the COALITION introduced and Rudd has now reverted to after 6 years. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Temporary Protection Visas so no matter how compelling the argument, refugees will not be granted permanent residency in Australia if they come via people smugglers' boats.
That is how.
The same way the Liberal/Nationals STOPPED them before Krudd cocked it up!
Rubbish, Dave. Nearly 90% of asylum seekers granted TPVs under Howard are now residing in Australia. That's pretty good "boat stopping" if ever I saw it.
I'm not ducking or denying facts, Dave, I just want to know how Tony is going to "STOP" the boats, I mean, really STOP them. :snigger:
RAN stops boats and turns them away from Australian waters when safe to do so.
The Pacific Solution that the COALITION introduced and Rudd has now reverted to after 6 years. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Temporary Protection Visas so no matter how compelling the argument, refugees will not be granted permanent residency in Australia if they come via people smugglers' boats.
That is how.
The same way the Liberal/Nationals STOPPED them before Krudd cocked it up!
Rubbish, Dave. Nearly 90% of asylum seekers granted TPVs under Howard are now residing in Australia. That's pretty good "boat stopping" if ever I saw it.
Me thinks you are exaggerating the truth somewhat there UM. :whistler:
Where did you get that figure from? And residing in Australia under what sort of visa? Temporary or permanent?
Argue all you like but the facts speak for themselves.
Under the coalition there was no border protection problem.
Under Labor there was no border protection.
Dress it up anyway you like but 4 people v 50,000 says it all.
The issue is, you just won't admit it. ;)
The Liberals fixed it.
Labor f**ked it.
Hopefully the Libs will now get another go at re-fixing it again.
OK. Now I'm on record as preferring the LNP.
And I agree you can make the figures prove almost anything you want. So, would some of you have a look at this link and care to either pick it to pieces or support it?
I don't know who "Independent Australia" is, nor what their political leanings are, but they quote some interesting figures, some of which I have seen elsewhere.
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-all-these-lies/ (http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-all-these-lies/)
1000 + deaths in those waters since 2007. :fum:
I understand that the heirarchy of the RAN has itself indicated that it has before, and can again, turn illegal asylum seeker boats around.
I also understand that the crew on those boats will be told to scuttle the boats if the RAN attempts to turn them around and that this act itself, will deem it "unsafe to do so."
1000 + deaths in those waters since 2007. :fum:
I understand that the heirarchy of the RAN has itself indicated that it has before, and can again, turn illegal asylum seeker boats around.
I also understand that the crew on those boats will be told to scuttle the boats if the RAN attempts to turn them around and that this act itself, will deem it "unsafe to do so."
Didn't you read Fatboy's post, Dave. Boats on the open ocean are not "illegal".
I understand that the heirarchy of the RAN has itself indicated that it has before, and can again, turn illegal asylum seeker boats around.
I understood it perfectly, Terry.
But people who pay people smugglers are a party to a criminal offence and therefore they are illegal.
It is not an offence for genuine refugees to seek asylum, but if they have passed through other countries where they could have sought asylum on their way to their "chosen" country, that makes them "illegals" if they employ criminals to enable them to achieve their aim.
Do you understand that, Terry? :undecided:
I understand that the heirarchy of the RAN has itself indicated that it has before, and can again, turn illegal asylum seeker boats around.
Not true. I have spoken to many Ship Captains, they can only do so if it is in Australian Territorial Waters, and they are committing, or intend committing a crime. It is very hard to prove intent.
I understood it perfectly, Terry.
But people who pay people smugglers are a party to a criminal offence and therefore they are illegal.
It is not an offence for genuine refugees to seek asylum, but if they have passed through other countries where they could have sought asylum on their way to their "chosen" country, that makes them "illegals" if they employ criminals to enable them to achieve their aim.
Do you understand that, Terry? :undecided:
Did they pay anybody in Australia? Do you have PROOF that they did? Or only hearsay from Today Tonight? Therefore they are not committing a crime, they could have paid a nice fishing boat owner $10,000 to take them on a tour of Australia's Northern Waters. Prove that they didn't...
Do you understand that Dave?
No, I don't understand that, Dave. We're talking about stopping boats, not people.
Does anyone else get so frustrated at the BILLIONS of dollars wasted by Labor or is it just me? :undecided:
Every time Rudd goes overseas (& Gillard too, I have to say), they go with an open cheque book (i.e. Australian tax payer's money).
I remember Rudd giving millions of dollars to South Somalia when they were declared an independent country, with no accountability. Just a gift. From us. Good onya Krudd. :rolleyes:
In Australia we have a health system in crisis in most, if not all, states and territories. Australians can't even get a bed straight away in our public hospitals. We queue our patients in corridors, literally. Is this acceptable?
We have massive domestic violence issue across the nation, yet we can give $97 million to address the DV issue in the Pacific region, plus appoint a women's interests minister for the Pacific region. :wtf:
This is disgusting. Why don't people uprise against these decisions?
This money should be going to Australia and to Australians!
All of the Labor supporters will undoubtedly come out now and "bash" me but honestly, it is out of control and no one is prepared to stand up and say so.
I agree with foreign aid. Let's get that straight. It is absolutely essential to help our neighbours wherever we can.
But the aid we give, although a small percentage of Australia's GDP, would make HUGE differences here in Australia.
Surely, we need to prioritise our own domestic issues.
The number of homeless people sleeping on the streets of Australia tonight is a national disgrace. But no government is serious about tackling that issue. Too hard, I guess. I thought it was bad in Perth, but on a recent visit to Sydney I have to say that in the area I stayed in, it was worse. :disapp:
But let's go to Indonesia and give them fighter jets and Navy patrol boats a s a gesture of goodwill from the Australian people on every visit because we are such nice people.
It's about time we got real in this country.
We are so stupid and are no doubt seen as such IMO.
It was tongue in cheek, Dave. What I am saying is that it is difficult to prove things in these cases, until they reach Australian waters and commit a crime here, and it is proven, they are innocent.
I can't be gullible, the nice man from the Government told me that they had taken that word out of the dictionary....
But I suppose those dollars were well spent finding those WMDs as opposed to Labor's donation to Somalia which actually helped people.
That is one of the reasons they are coming by boat, because the genuine refugees languish in camps for years, if we took more from here then people would be willing to wait a bit. I agree with you, Dave, help the needy first, but we can't decide from the comfort of our homes who are and who aren't genuine.
I do believe you are gullible, after all you think the P76 is a great car. :evil: :P
But I suppose those dollars were well spent finding those WMDs as opposed to Labor's donation to Somalia which actually helped people.
Bullshit. You have no idea and nor do I where that money went. I suspect to the corrupt government, but not to the people who needed it.
It is too easy to believe what you read. You have noi idea where all of our money went in that instance.
It was given by Rudd to make Rudd look good and feel good.
Something he does an awful lot.
But I suppose those dollars were well spent finding those WMDs as opposed to Labor's donation to Somalia which actually helped people.
Bullshit. You have no idea and nor do I where that money went. I suspect to the corrupt government, but not to the people who needed it.
It is too easy to believe what you read. You have noi idea where all of our money went in that instance.
It was given by Rudd to make Rudd look good and feel good.
Something he does an awful lot.
Just like Howard did to look good with George W.
Great to see you couldn't refute Howard's Iraq war waste, Dave.
BTW, you must have some "inside" information about where Australian aid in Somalia went.
Perhaps you could let Ausaid know your sources.
http://www.ausaid.gov.au/HotTopics/pages/display.aspx?QID=86 (http://www.ausaid.gov.au/HotTopics/pages/display.aspx?QID=86)
Recently, I met and befriended a Vietnam Veteran, who to this day is visibly upset, when recounting his last order given to his unit on disembarking the ship and returning to Australia.
The order was "Remove your uniforms and leave the ship in civilian clothing." He was nearly in tears, even after all these years. Very shabby treatment. :disapp:
Jimmy Barnes said it. "There were no D Day heroes in 1973".
Recently, I met and befriended a Vietnam Veteran, who to this day is visibly upset, when recounting his last order given to his unit on disembarking the ship and returning to Australia.
The order was "Remove your uniforms and leave the ship in civilian clothing." He was nearly in tears, even after all these years. Very shabby treatment. :disapp:
I still have one or two friends,which also are Vietnam Vets,which have also told me the same thing,they were also told never to speak of it either
What do you think now, with the benefit of hindsight and all that we now know about the non-existent WMD?
Still think it was the right decision, even if there were no WMD's....
With his war crimes and mass slaughter of his own people, Saddam needed to be taken down...
What do you think now, with the benefit of hindsight and all that we now know about the non-existent WMD?Middle Eastern war.we should NEVER have been invovled,doesn't matter how long ANYONE try's to intervene,these PPL have been infighting for over 2000 years,NO western country ins going to change it one Iota.
On the way back from Ballarat yesterday, radio on ABC, it's a couple of minutes to 6 pm and I hear Tony Abbott. Sounds like an election ad. I thought: what the f*** is this shi*? The ABC doesn't have ads, does it? Then I thought that they must be doing the 'ad' thing for each party in the lead-up to the election.
I turned it off immediately.
Still think it was the right decision, even if there were no WMD's....
With his war crimes and mass slaughter of his own people, Saddam needed to be taken down...
https://www.youtube.com/v/DOEIruwzf54
Must have been our turn for some reason.
An interesting take on Tony Abbott's volunteering escapades to indigenous communities.
http://1deadlynation.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/abbott-the-truth-and-cost-of-his-indigenous-volunteering/ (http://1deadlynation.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/abbott-the-truth-and-cost-of-his-indigenous-volunteering/)
He should be banned IMO.
Almost on topic, but slightly off, we have a state Liberal politician who was recently demoted by the Premier.
He used to be the Police Minister and his name is Rob Johnson.
He was a bit "bumbling" and used to get his words mixed up and didn't come across too well in the media, although he always meant well.
In fact, he introduced quite a bit of legislation into parliament that the public said they wanted.
But because the media mocked him, the public did too and he became a bit of a laughing stock.
I remember one time as the (recently appointed) Police Minister he mentioned Crime Stoppers and the reporter asked him what the phone number was and he didn't know.
They made a huge issue of it and everyone called him an idiot.
I'm not saying he never made mistakes this guy, because he made quite a few actually, but his intentions always seemed right to me.
Anyway, following his demotion he's been a bit of a thorn in the side of the state govt and keeps popping up in the media pointing out the Liberal party's (his party) mistakes and failures. And there have been a few lately.
I heard him on the radio this morning and he made a comment to the effect that anyone could say anything they liked about him but they could never call him dishonest and if anyone ever caught him out telling a lie he would stand on top of Parliament House and shout an apology.
It got me thinking, because I think he's right. He is honest. And honourable in his intentions.
And I wondered if the public got what they are always saying they want, an honest politician, and when they got one, they all but hounded him into oblivion.
Perhaps we do get the politicians we deserve after all. :undecided:
What's climate change? :undecided:
What's climate change? :undecided:
According to Tony Abbott, it's "crap" :fum:
What's climate change? :undecided:
According to Tony Abbott, it's "crap" :fum:
:ta:
That's all clear now. :hatoff:
"Kevin Rudd thinks that best way to tackle the issue is to have a tax.
I think that the best way to tackle it is to directly tackle climate change."
Yes, that's an old video grab.
I think Tony's thinking has advanced more than Kevin's in the interim though.
But given enough time I have no doubt that old Kev would catch up.
Yes, that's an old video grab.
I think Tony's thinking has advanced more than Kevin's in the interim though.
But given enough time I have no doubt that old Kev would catch up.
Well, thanks for clearing that up for me, Dave. It's OK for Tony to change his mind on carbon tax but it's not OK for Julia.
Julia's was a 100% broken promise to the people of Australia, regardless of what pressure she was under to keep her tenuous hold of government.
Julia's was a 100% broken promise to the people of Australia, regardless of what pressure she was under to keep her tenuous hold of government.
Interesting concept that, "a 100% broken promise" by a politician.
Julia's was a 100% broken promise to the people of Australia, regardless of what pressure she was under to keep her tenuous hold of government.
Interesting concept that, "a 100% broken promise" by a politician.
Well you should be used to it by now.
Juliar made an art form out of it.
I laughed.... :D
:link: (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/mark-latham-gaffe-over-tony-abbott-sex-appeal-comment-20130814-2rx8e.html)
Julia's was a 100% broken promise to the people of Australia, regardless of what pressure she was under to keep her tenuous hold of government.
Interesting concept that, "a 100% broken promise" by a politician.
Well you should be used to it by now.
Juliar made an art form out of it.
This might clear it up for you, Dave.
Tony Windsor tells Tony Abbott some home truths (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fRMy5rxuM#ws)
:rofl: And again, Tony Windsor is such a credible person. :lol:
The people you use to back up your arguments are mostly a very funny joke themselves.
I worry for you, I really do. :lol:
:rofl: And again, Tony Windsor is such a credible person. :lol:
The people you use to back up your arguments are mostly a very funny joke themselves.
I worry for you, I really do. :lol:
What makes you think Tony Windsor is not a credible person, Dave? Is it the fact he didn't bend over for Tony?
Malcolm Turnbull said Tony's climate change was "bullshit", so he must be a "non-credible" person too?
I don't remember him saying that but he I hope he doesn't become leader of the Libs.
I'd rather have Abbott & Hockey, personally.
In less than a month, we'll know. :D
Julia's was a 100% broken promise to the people of Australia, regardless of what pressure she was under to keep her tenuous hold of government.
Interesting concept that, "a 100% broken promise" by a politician.
Well you should be used to it by now.
Juliar made an art form out of it.
I don't remember him saying that but he I hope he doesn't become leader of the Libs.
I'd rather have Abbott & Hockey, personally.
In less than a month, we'll know. :D
Why is it Dave that you have to constantly reminded of what Coalition politicians say? Selective memory perhaps?
Funny how the Libs berated Peter Bettie over his return to politics recently.
http://m.smh.com.au/national/turnbull-to-quit-politics-20100406-rnt5.html (http://m.smh.com.au/national/turnbull-to-quit-politics-20100406-rnt5.html)
Julia's was a 100% broken promise to the people of Australia, regardless of what pressure she was under to keep her tenuous hold of government.
Interesting concept that, "a 100% broken promise" by a politician.
Well you should be used to it by now.
Juliar made an art form out of it.
And yet she is still not in the same league as dishonest John Howard. Maybe it just wasn't a core promise. Or maybe it wasn't written down and therefore may not have been entirely true as Tony once said. Or maybe like many politicians, her lips moved. Hard to say really...
One thing for sure, she is an amateur at this stuff compared to some.
When the Libs get in and the carbon tax is scrapped, what would be a reasonable time frame to expect, for Diesel and Electricity prices to fall. :whistler: :mrgreen:
Keith, stop posting stuff from non-credible sources. All these facts will just upset the conservatives. :mrgreen:
Keith, stop posting stuff from non-credible sources. All these facts will just upset the conservatives. :mrgreen:
In politics one should never let the facts get in the way of a bit of cheap point scoring.
ALP - Liberal, Bad as each other IMO. :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum:
Yes.
Nice of you to point out the coalition's intentions, but AFAIK, the current policies are funded by borrowings, and I don't want any more of that.
Obviously none of these "intentions" will effect you then, Phil?
Our debt is bigger than your debt! :rofl: So there!No debt about it. :rofl:
Our debt is bigger than your debt! :rofl: So there!yes, but your population is a lot higher
Yes, and they have a conservative government who introduced austerity measures as well. :disapp:Our debt is bigger than your debt! :rofl: So there!yes, but your population is a lot higher
You know what they say: you're stuck with your debt if you can't budge it. :whistler:
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
^
Yep. That's one of the stupidest (most stupid?) suggestions of all time.
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
I found this pic of Tony and his followers.... :whistler:(click to show/hide)
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
I heard about this the other day. I am wondering what the Indonesian government have to say about this or even if its been raised with them at all.
Sadly at this election we are faced with selecting between dumb and dumber.
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
Even sadder is what we've got after the last six years with Idiot # 1, Idiot # 2 & Idiot # 1 again.
Glad you didn't need me to disagree. :D
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
Even sadder is what we've got after the last six years with Idiot # 1, Idiot # 2 & Idiot # 1 again.
Glad you didn't need me to disagree. :D
Dave, the only thing you and I disagree on is who is Idiot #1. :mrgreen:
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
Even sadder is what we've got after the last six years with Idiot # 1, Idiot # 2 & Idiot # 1 again.
Glad you didn't need me to disagree. :D
Dave, the only thing you and I disagree on is who is Idiot #1. :mrgreen:
Well, as it's in the last six years, it's not hard to work out. ;) :head_butt:
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
Even sadder is what we've got after the last six years with Idiot # 1, Idiot # 2 & Idiot # 1 again.
Glad you didn't need me to disagree. :D
Dave, the only thing you and I disagree on is who is Idiot #1. :mrgreen:
Well, as it's in the last six years, it's not hard to work out. ;) :head_butt:
Oh, hasn't Tony been around for the last six years? :mrgreen:
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
Even sadder is what we've got after the last six years with Idiot # 1, Idiot # 2 & Idiot # 1 again.
Glad you didn't need me to disagree. :D
Dave, the only thing you and I disagree on is who is Idiot #1. :mrgreen:
Well, as it's in the last six years, it's not hard to work out. ;) :head_butt:
Oh, hasn't Tony been around for the last six years? :mrgreen:
Not in power. :D
It looks like Tony is keener to support Indonesion boat builders than Australian car builders. :disapp:Yes read that one,then he comes out and says his levy on the top 3000 large earners,will only cover a little under half of his preposterous parenting payments,what the F*#k happen to PPL planning their own Families and funding it themselves,he is an out and out idiot
http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics (http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics)
Don't worry Rick. Tony reckons all the self-funded retirees and superannuation members will chip in the shortfall. And the sad part is most of them will vote for the idiot.
Even sadder is what we've got after the last six years with Idiot # 1, Idiot # 2 & Idiot # 1 again.
Glad you didn't need me to disagree. :D
Dave, the only thing you and I disagree on is who is Idiot #1. :mrgreen:
Well, as it's in the last six years, it's not hard to work out. ;) :head_butt:
Oh, hasn't Tony been around for the last six years? :mrgreen:
Not in power. :D
So he's an out-of-power idiot. Works for me. :mrgreen:
You do realise UM posted that same link a few posts previously, Keith? :whistler:
The backpedalling has already started.... :snigger:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-26/confusion-over-coalitions-surplus-pledge/4912356 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-26/confusion-over-coalitions-surplus-pledge/4912356)
You do realise UM posted that same link a few posts previously, Keith? :whistler:
Wow, that wouldn't be biased website, would it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Wow, that wouldn't be biased website, would it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just as biased as the Murdock press perhaps. :)
He meant he wouldn't form a minority govt with the slimy Greens or the independents, like Labor did.Fair enough Dave,thats what I thought about the LNP but that is not what he said,either that or I heard differently to what others heard,maybe I'm just going mad
The Liberal/National coalition is well entrenched and works well.
Oh dear, we do have our knickers in a knot, don't we. :lol:
It seems to me that maybe you are all a bit worried that Krudd is in for the chop he deserves and we'll get some normality and common sense back to government. :whistler:
I can't wait. :D
Did you see Krudd on Today Tonight?
Smug *astard ... I wouldn't wipe my *$$ with that guy... :Pout:
Tony isn't doing himself any favours (the PPL and Boat buyback ideas are both) :wacko:
I'm not going to vote labour though or the greens (or United - their candidates down here are very ordinary)
Did you see Krudd on Today Tonight?
Smug *astard ... I wouldn't wipe my *$$ with that guy... :Pout:
Tony isn't doing himself any favours (the PPL and Boat buyback ideas are both) :wacko:
I'm not going to vote labour though or the greens (or United - their candidates down here are very ordinary)
Talking Palmer United,now there's a joke party,one o their adds here just has me in stitches
He meant he wouldn't form a minority govt with the slimy Greens or the independents, like Labor did.Fair enough Dave,thats what I thought about the LNP but that is not what he said,either that or I heard differently to what others heard,maybe I'm just going mad
The Liberal/National coalition is well entrenched and works well.
Oh dear, we do have our knickers in a knot, don't we. :lol:
It seems to me that maybe you are all a bit worried that Krudd is in for the chop he deserves and we'll get some normality and common sense back to government. :whistler:
I can't wait. :D
To paraphrase someone, parties don't win elections, governments lose them. That's how Labour got voted in and Johnny lost his seat isn't it. ;) After being such a legend for all that time I mean.
I am hoping that poking yourself in the eye to teach the government a lesson isn't too painful. Alternatively it may be all butterflies and rainbows after the election. We can only hope that's the case whichever way it goes.
You have to register yourself at 18, onto the electoral roll, with you current address.
Oh dear, we do have our knickers in a knot, don't we. :lol:
It seems to me that maybe you are all a bit worried that Krudd is in for the chop he deserves and we'll get some normality and common sense back to government. :whistler:
I can't wait. :D
To paraphrase someone, parties don't win elections, governments lose them. That's how Labour got voted in and Johnny lost his seat isn't it. ;) After being such a legend for all that time I mean.
I am hoping that poking yourself in the eye to teach the government a lesson isn't too painful. Alternatively it may be all butterflies and rainbows after the election. We can only hope that's the case whichever way it goes.
Well I think it's Labor's turn to lose this one.
Goodness knows they've done more than enough to be well and truly on the nose with the majority of voters over the past six long years.
So if the Libs win, we can blame Labor then, based on your comment above. ;)
I hear talk that the oz voting system requires all registered voters have to cast a vote and the paper gives you the option to not vote for any person.
Is that correct or can you simply not bother?
Also, non voters can be fined.
Again is that correct?
I hear talk that the oz voting system requires all registered voters have to cast a vote and the paper gives you the option to not vote for any person.
Is that correct or can you simply not bother?
Also, non voters can be fined.
Again is that correct?
My understanding is that registered voters who don't vote will be pinged. Unregistered voters are in the clear since they are unregistered - no way for the electoral commission to track them.
And this is exactly why we should be afraid:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-please-explain-moment-20130805-2r8fh.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-please-explain-moment-20130805-2r8fh.html)
You have to register yourself at 18, onto the electoral roll, with you current address.
Is there a check to make sure 18 yo do in fact register or they can slip through
And this is exactly why we should be afraid:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-please-explain-moment-20130805-2r8fh.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/joe-hockeys-please-explain-moment-20130805-2r8fh.html)
You're targeting your propaganda war in the wrong place. :D
Wow, that wouldn't be biased website, would it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Actually only looked at the first four words of the web site,then turned it off,because I knew it would all be simply one sided.
Welfare alarm as Coalition plans to cut $4 weekly unemployment pay
PHILLIP HUDSON HERALD SUN AUGUST 27, 2013
A LEADING charity has blasted the Coalition for its plan to axe a battler's bonus for around one million people worth up to $350 a year.
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has confirmed he will dump the supplementary allowance paid to 500,000 unemployed people on the Newstart allowance, 260,000 receiving youth allowance and 230,000 getting the parenting payment.
Mr Abbott said the payment, worth $210 a year for singles and $350 for couples, was being abolished because it was supposed to be funded from the mining tax but the controversial tax was not raising enough money to pay for it.
He insisted people would be better off overall from his plan to abolish the carbon tax.
The Coalition estimated removing the allowance would save $1 billion over four years and said it was one of the tough decisions needed to fix the Budget.
The payment, worth between $4 and $6.70 a week, was introduced by Labor in response to calls from business and welfare groups to increase the Newstart allowance by $50 a week.
St Vincent de Paul Society national council chief executive Dr John Falzon said the Opposition's decision would hurt the poor.
"The Coalition is to be condemned for taking away from those who have nothing in the first place," Dr Falzon said.
"The Newstart allowance is desperately in need of a $50-a-week increase. People are so far behind the eight-ball, the level of Newstart has become an obstacle to workforce participation."
"The $4-a-week increase isn't anywhere near enough and it beggars belief the Opposition should take away this paltry amount from people absolutely waging a daily battle for survival from below the poverty line."
He called on Labor and the Coalition to increase Newstart by $50 a week "as a matter of decency".
Australian Council of Social Service senior adviser Peter Davidson said it would be a shame if one of the first acts of an Abbott government was to cut benefits for unemployed people.
"This $4 is the first real increase that unemployed people have received for 20 years. This would take the living standards of unemployed people back to 1994," he said.
The areas in Victoria that are likely to be hardest hit include Clayton, Carlton, Frankston North, Geelong, Doveton, Gippsland, Morwell, Parkville, Sunshine and Ballarat.
However, if the Coalition wins the September 7 election, it may not have time to stop the next payment, which is due September 20.
Mr Abbott said his focus was on getting people off unemployment as he pushed bonus payments of up to $6500 he would pay those who had been out of work for 12 months or more who can find and hold down a job for two years.
"I see these measures not as a handout but as a hand-up because they are about empowering people to find and secure and keep the work that they need and want," he said.
:link: (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/welfare-alarm-as-coalition-plans-to-cut-4-weekly-unemployment-pay/story-fni0fiyv-1226705319502)
Not burying my head in the sand at all Rusty,I read much about our political situation,the dialogue that comes from parliment,regularly watch the question times they put on the tele,now heres and absolute waste of tax payers money,the millions we pay these PPL collectively,to get on the floor of parliment and act like five year olds,I have been Labor through and through for years,but the past six years has just left me gob smacked at the total waste,in many area's,total mismanagement of certain situations,but having said that,our option of the other major party is just as big a joke,the proposed maternity leave pay,what a freaking joke,one he still hasn't told anyone how he is going to fund it(oh yeah he has told us how he if getting just under half of it)now the F#*knuckle has announced he plans to give each person who has been unemployed,if you keep a job for two years I'll give you $6500,there's a winner,this will be the first time in 38 years I won't be voting for either major party,both parties are just pulling policy out of their arses on the run,when do you know a politicain is lying,as soon as he/she opens their mouth.Wow, that wouldn't be biased website, would it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Seems to be only pointing out Abbott's porkies, Dave... :pActually only looked at the first four words of the web site,then turned it off,because I knew it would all be simply one sided.
Nothing like burying your head in the sand, Rick.... :winker:
Any comments by all parties on syria?
Any comments by all parties on syria?
Not in this thread.
Surely not. :Shocked:
http://brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/comedy/brits-see-aussies-as-hopeless-hicks-20130829-2ss9z.html?skin=m (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/comedy/brits-see-aussies-as-hopeless-hicks-20130829-2ss9z.html?skin=m)
Better the devil you know, phil.... :winker:
The country is in pretty good shape all things considered...
You guys need to get out more... :whistler:
That's what I'll be saying to the ALP on September 7th, but without the "more." :D
:whsaid:That's what I'll be saying to the ALP on September 7th, but without the "more." :D
:MeToo: :baps:
I'm constantly amazed that you can get so excited over Abbott most likely winning, Dave.... :undecided:
After all, what really have we got to look forward to, increased taxes and cutbacks?
I'm constantly amazed that you can get so excited over Abbott most likely winning, Dave.... :undecided:
After all, what really have we got to look forward to, increased taxes and cutbacks?
I'm constantly amazed that you can get so excited over Abbott most likely winning, Dave.... :undecided:
After all, what really have we got to look forward to, increased taxes and cutbacks?
Why do you think the Libs will have to increase taxes and cut back spending, Rusty?
Think it through logically.
I'm constantly amazed that you can get so excited over Abbott most likely winning, Dave.... :undecided:
After all, what really have we got to look forward to, increased taxes and cutbacks?
Why do you think the Libs will have to increase taxes and cut back spending, Rusty?
Think it through logically.
ZERO debt PLUS $50 billion dollars in the bank at hand over from Liberal to ALP in 2007.
Compared with today - Over $300 billion dollars in debt and borrowing more money as we go to pay the loan interest payments.
Doesn't that worry you?
And don't give me the GFC as a reason.
The ALP were so lucky to be handed books like that otherwise we would have gone down.
We cannot afford any more of this madness.
And just so you think I'm only saying this to praise the Liberals and kick the ALP, I will say (and have said before) that in this state we have the opposite problems - a Liberal govt who has spent/is spending WAY too much and to be honest, I don't think we're sailing that well as a state economy.
Add to the above (federal) stuff, four (4) individuals in detention as asylum seekers when Liberal handed over to the ALP and immediately RUDD slackened the policy on border protection. It was one of the very first things he did - toss out the Liberal policy that worked and implemeted his own.
And now what do we have? Over 50,000 asylum seekers scattered all over the country, Asia Pacific, local communities, etc and the federal government has LOST control. They don't know who they've got where.
Rudd STUFFED UP! It was under control but he couldn't bear to keep a Liberal policy that had worked.
Just thinking logically, I fail to see how anyone could consider giving these lunatics another three years. It is beyond me.
What you say makes so much sense, Keith.... :goodjob:
Backing up to the previous elections financials, its clear they had no clue. We can't tell at present because they won't come clean with the figures. This time round they have timed the release of figures to coincide with the media blackout so there can be no debate about them. That's completely unacceptable in my view, they should be out in the open right now where we can discuss their offering and make up our mind whether they are speaking with a forked tongue or not. That goes for all parties.
Backing up to the previous elections financials, its clear they had no clue. We can't tell at present because they won't come clean with the figures. This time round they have timed the release of figures to coincide with the media blackout so there can be no debate about them. That's completely unacceptable in my view, they should be out in the open right now where we can discuss their offering and make up our mind whether they are speaking with a forked tongue or not. That goes for all parties.
I'm glad you said it goes for all parties because at the 2007 election Rudd released his costings at 5.00pm on the Friday before the election on Saturday so there was no time for debate.
Yet he criticizes Abbott for not having released them all when Abbott has said he will release them before the election and in time for people to consider them.
Maybe.He's already said it'll be Wednesday - but maybe later. :disapp:
We'll see.
I for one will be disappointed if he does.
In that case I'll go for a new Dumb.
I've had enough of Dumber being the PM. :D
Campbell Newman may have some faults but he's had to make some tough decisions based on what went on before.In that case I'll go for a new Dumb.
I've had enough of Dumber being the PM. :D
That sort of reasoning gave us in Qld Campbell Newman. And that's why I think its inevitable there will be a change. Only time will tell if its going to be a change for the better.
Maybe.He's already said it'll be Wednesday - but maybe later. :disapp:
We'll see.
I for one will be disappointed if he does.
And apparently, something like 20% of voters will have already voted, without having access to that information.
In that case I'll go for a new Dumb.
I've had enough of Dumber being the PM. :D
That sort of reasoning gave us in Qld Campbell Newman. And that's why I think its inevitable there will be a change. Only time will tell if its going to be a change for the better.
In that case I'll go for a new Dumb.
I've had enough of Dumber being the PM. :D
That sort of reasoning gave us in Qld Campbell Newman. And that's why I think its inevitable there will be a change. Only time will tell if its going to be a change for the better.
It was tongue in cheek.
Tony Abbott is far from dumb.
I think that both candidates have high IQs actually but as I've said previously, I'd rather vote for parties than individuals. We don't as yet have a president.
In that case I'll go for a new Dumb.
I've had enough of Dumber being the PM. :D
That sort of reasoning gave us in Qld Campbell Newman. And that's why I think its inevitable there will be a change. Only time will tell if its going to be a change for the better.
It was tongue in cheek.
Tony Abbott is far from dumb.
I think that both candidates have high IQs actually but as I've said previously, I'd rather vote for parties than individuals. We don't as yet have a president.
Having a high IQ doesn't mean you've got any common sense. :mrgreen:
It's time for Tony to start breaking his promises. :disapp:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/tony-abbott-willing-to-break-emissions-pledge-over-funding-hole-20130902-2t0fh.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/tony-abbott-willing-to-break-emissions-pledge-over-funding-hole-20130902-2t0fh.html)
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/tony-abbott-retreats-from-drones-pledge-in-defence-policy-20130902-2szov.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/tony-abbott-retreats-from-drones-pledge-in-defence-policy-20130902-2szov.html)
But wait there's more idiocy: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/liberal-candidate-links-asylum-seekers-to-traffic/4931334 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/liberal-candidate-links-asylum-seekers-to-traffic/4931334)
50000 asylum seekers holding up the traffic on the M4 inconveniencing Aussie mums. :rofl:
Wait, I think she's serious.
But wait there's more idiocy: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/liberal-candidate-links-asylum-seekers-to-traffic/4931334 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/liberal-candidate-links-asylum-seekers-to-traffic/4931334)
50000 asylum seekers holding up the traffic on the M4 inconveniencing Aussie mums. :rofl:
Wait, I think she's serious.
Well, at least she's got sex appeal :disapp:
Like I said in an earlier post, Keith, it looks like Queensland doesn't have a mortgage on stupid candidates.
The sad thing is that a lot of voters out there will believe this sh1t. :disapp:
Keith h, I thought all you Qld Mob, loved Kevvy ! :whistler:
@ keith_h .. You are a funny man :rofl:
Not the picture, the couple of posts before that :goodjob:
Its Now Wednesday Evening and I can't find any costings anywhere,if someone has them can you pass them on.Maybe.He's already said it'll be Wednesday - but maybe later. :disapp:
We'll see.
I for one will be disappointed if he does.
And apparently, something like 20% of voters will have already voted, without having access to that information.
http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/ (http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/)
Runs, hides. :Shocked: And don't shoot the messenger. ;)
That was excellent, Keith! :goodjob:
Oh and Dave, it will be you running and hiding if the Libs get in and f*ck things up..... :winker:
We will hunt you down.....Be afraid! :twisted: :lol:
http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/ (http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/)
Runs, hides. :Shocked: And don't shoot the messenger. ;)
That was excellent, Keith! :goodjob:
Oh and Dave, it will be you running and hiding if the Libs get in and f*ck things up..... :winker:
We will hunt you down.....Be afraid! :twisted: :lol:
:wtf: Then tell me Rusty, why aren't you all up in arms now after Labor has well and truly f*cked things up over the last six years?
Key Coalition policies not submitted for independent costings
The Coalition has not submitted its climate change, broadband and asylum seeker policies for independent costing ahead of Thursday's final release of figures before the election.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/key-coalition-policies-not-submitted-for-independent-costings-20130905-2t6dm.html#ixzz2dydnRz1t (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/key-coalition-policies-not-submitted-for-independent-costings-20130905-2t6dm.html#ixzz2dydnRz1t)
:wtf: Then tell me Rusty, why aren't you all up in arms now after Labor has well and truly f*cked things up over the last six years?
It's only the Liberalites that are telling us that Labor has f*cked things up, everyone else reckons Australia is in pretty good shape.....Yes, there's been wastage but that's not just been confined to Labor, the Libs have wasted shiploads over the years too... :wink:
Either party could have distinguished themselves by putting the tough choices out there for all to see. Instead they did the opposite and have offered us a, more of the same or b, expensive ppl scheme, buying boats from Indonesians, a half arsed national broadband network solution, rearranging the deckchairs. In other words, nothing of consequence from either side.
Its a big fail all round.
Either party could have distinguished themselves by putting the tough choices out there for all to see.
Its a big fail all round.
No mattwr the outcome, Come sunday you will all be griping about who won
Or didn't.
Yet another bit of conservative bullsh1t. Governments are not households or businesses and they are never will be. :disapp:
Pretty sad argument, really. :disapp:
Yet another bit of conservative bullsh1t. Governments are not households or businesses and they are never will be. :disapp:
Pretty sad argument, really. :disapp:
I wouldn't be slinging total crap at all the labor treasurers Dave,I watched twenty minutes of Joe Hockey,absolutuely struggling today at his press release of the liberals so called savings and at one point one of his flunky's actually physically pushed him out of the way and took over when he was asked a question,Unluckily I was not able to watched the whole press release(unlike Joe I have to actually work for a living,to get paid),but what I did see was a total sham,I actually thought Hockey was going to pass out or have heart attack,not once in the whole twenty minutes I watched him struggle did he say where any of the coalitions funding was coming from.all he could keep repeating was we won't be spending this or that which labour did,so I tell a lie he did say they would cut foriegn aid by $4.5 Billion,which I don't have an issue with.
I have no doubts the coalition will get in on the weekend,but like some liberal voters of the last state elections,are now wishing they did not vote for them,with Colins latest election promise break and his parties line of increasing traffic enfringments to help fix his massive budget blowout,again I have no issue with them increasing fines,as long as it is put back into roads and the police services.
Yet another bit of conservative bullsh1t. Governments are not households or businesses and they are never will be.
Yet another bit of conservative bullsh1t. Governments are not households or businesses and they are never will be.
Please explain why the same rules for profitability, don't apply. :Dunno:
No matter if it's a business, my household, or a Government, debt is to be avoided at all costs. I realise in business, there are times when loss or deficit occurs, this is normal and only a problem if it is not backed up by assets or forecasts which will allow trading out of that situation.well we have been screwed for years then since the last lib reign,they sold all Australian Government assests,there bugger all else they can sell once they get in on the weekend,so still worried where they're going to be making there money from to fund they're claims,the top 3000, Grabbit was going to levy to fund his unfundable marternity leave promise have already put into place legal teams to fight him and the government if he try's to impliment it and he'll bow down to them.
Finally, things are clear. :disapp:
http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-figures-clear-as-mud-20130905-2t85s.html (http://brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-figures-clear-as-mud-20130905-2t85s.html)
No matter if it's a business, my household, or a Government, debt is to be avoided at all costs.
Like someone commented, it's a reverse Robin Hood, take from the poor and give to the rich...... :head_butt:
No matter if it's a business, my household, or a Government, debt is to be avoided at all costs.
I'll challenge your assertion there Phil. When we bought our i30, the vendor had a special on finance which worked out to 2.5% overall. Accordingly we chose to use their money instead of ours which is earning far more. Therefore it is certainly possible to use borrowings to your favour. And right now that's an option owing to access to low lending rates.
Likewise we rotate spending through a credit card to take advantage of the interest free period paying it out so that once again we are using their money while ours is busy earning interest. Technically, that's debt, but its managed so its not accruing interest.
Where this falls down is if debt isn't managed and it starts attracting interest and other charges in excess of any offsets which was your point. So a certain level of debt is OK and even advantageous so long as its properly managed.
but I am hoping it clearly demonstrates whats been said which is the would be government has no clue. None. And we will pay handsomely for their incompetence, I am sure.
but I am hoping it clearly demonstrates whats been said which is the would be government has no clue. None. And we will pay handsomely for their incompetence, I am sure.
My view exactly on Labor.
I wonder how many more unreleased policy surprises Tony has in store for us? :disapp:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-announces-internet-filter--and-immediately-backs-down-20130905-2t7nb.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalition-announces-internet-filter--and-immediately-backs-down-20130905-2t7nb.html)
Can rustynutz, Keith and I have a go at checking Tony's policies? It seems no one else has done it yet :disapp:, and, hey, we're independent.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/key-coalition-policies-not-submitted-for-independent-costings-20130905-2t6dm.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/key-coalition-policies-not-submitted-for-independent-costings-20130905-2t6dm.html)
but I am hoping it clearly demonstrates whats been said which is the would be government has no clue. None. And we will pay handsomely for their incompetence, I am sure.
My view exactly on Labor.
Indeed.
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With all of the negative press that has been dug up and posted about previous Liberal governments, it appears that the new one will have an easy job surpassing their record of good governance and I look forward to that.
Thank you all and here's to the next few years of getting Australia back on track. ;) :)
Just an update for those of you around the globe who are sitting on the dges of your seats awaiting the final outcome of the Australian election.No need to be on the edge of ours seats Dave,unfortunately or fortunately which ever side of the fence you are,there is going to be a change of government
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/federal-election-2013-live-coverage-and-results-20130907-2tbd0.html (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/federal-election-2013-live-coverage-and-results-20130907-2tbd0.html)
It seems to be very quiet for some reason on this thread today....... :undecided:Lets hope so,lets hope some are not regretting their decission today in twelve to eighteen months time,I can see this ending up with a smack of Barnett in it down the track
It's a foregone conclusion, I would say and it's all about the size (of the win) now.
Which, I feel, vindicates what I have been saying all along. The people of this nation are sick and tired of Labor's mistakes, infighting, inabilities, huge waste and lies and I think the result is going to reflect that.
So despite all of the protestations and so-called justifications that have been trotted out over the past few weeks, Labor is going where it should go. Out.
The people have seen right through all the rhetoric and spin and BS and have voted accordingly.
A great day for Australia. :D
Long live the Libs. :)
I was hoping it would be quiet, however, on Monday and forever more, no doubt you WILL hear about all the Libs, failings and broken promises. :groan:
I was hoping it would be quiet, however, on Monday and forever more, no doubt you WILL hear about all the Libs, failings and broken promises. :groan:
Lets hope he doesn't try to bring it back in under another name,but he will
Although, I will admit, the Libs lost me with Workchoices, never, never, never, was that going to work.
I might call it an early night and go to bed and celebrate. :D
Both parties need to put differences aside and work together for a better country.
Both parties need to put differences aside and work together for a better country.
No they don't, who made this country a bi-partisan political country.
If he does, you'll be screaming that he's broken a promise.No thats one promise I would be glad to see him Break Dave,he still hasn't explained how he is going to fund the other half of it.as if the class split in Australia over the past thirty yers hasn't getton big enough,bringing a totally unfundable policy in like this will just create a hugh social split,a fairer and more socially and fincancially viable system if tax payers are to pay for women to have children is to give them all the very same,a basic wage for the same period of time nominated.
I agree with you Rick.
I also hope he "decides" not to interfere with the NBN rollout.
I also don't want to see the mining tax scrapped totally. That stuff belongs to all Australians and we should get a fair share of it.
All that aside, I'm looking forward to seeing how the ASX reacts tomorrow and the $A on Monday overseas.
All that aside, I'm looking forward to seeing how the ASX reacts tomorrow and the $A on Monday overseas.
My latest power, gas and fuel accounts are now stuck up on the fridge in my garage. I'll compare them to the ones I get in twelve months, just to see how they change under Tony. With all of his promises, I expect them to drop considerably. Somehow I doubt they will. :disapp:
All that aside, I'm looking forward to seeing how the ASX reacts tomorrow and the $A on Monday overseas.
Me too, I have a conditional buy order placed, but I think they'll rise. :Pout:
I agree with you Rick.
I also hope he "decides" not to interfere with the NBN rollout.
I also don't want to see the mining tax scrapped totally. That stuff belongs to all Australians and we should get a fair share of it.
All that aside, I'm looking forward to seeing how the ASX reacts tomorrow and the $A on Monday overseas.
I personally hope our little Aussie Dollar strengthens against the US $, GBP and Euro as I need some of those for my 3 month travels, Feb-May next year. Well done Tony Abbott and the Libs.
My latest power, gas and fuel accounts are now stuck up on the fridge in my garage. I'll compare them to the ones I get in twelve months, just to see how they change under Tony. With all of his promises, I expect them to drop considerably. Somehow I doubt they will. :disapp:
What are you doing Rick, trying to drive Fatboy away. :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :winker:
Would it make a difference if the accommodation was free,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Dave.
Er, no thanks. :eek:well if they did decide to visit you wouldn't be cold :rofl:
Having a visit from one of your "pets", male or female, is NOT quite what I had in mind :exclaim:
My latest power, gas and fuel accounts are now stuck up on the fridge in my garage. I'll compare them to the ones I get in twelve months, just to see how they change under Tony. With all of his promises, I expect them to drop considerably. Somehow I doubt they will. :disapp:
That's pretty harsh.
Did you do that when Labor introduced the tax in the first place or is it just Liberal you're holding to account?
My latest power, gas and fuel accounts are now stuck up on the fridge in my garage. I'll compare them to the ones I get in twelve months, just to see how they change under Tony. With all of his promises, I expect them to drop considerably. Somehow I doubt they will. :disapp:
That's pretty harsh.
Did you do that when Labor introduced the tax in the first place or is it just Liberal you're holding to account?
My latest power, gas and fuel accounts are now stuck up on the fridge in my garage. I'll compare them to the ones I get in twelve months, just to see how they change under Tony. With all of his promises, I expect them to drop considerably. Somehow I doubt they will. :disapp:
That's pretty harsh.
Did you do that when Labor introduced the tax in the first place or is it just Liberal you're holding to account?
Difference though is that Labor said our bills would go up and compensated us, ol' Abbott on the other hand has told us our bills will come down so I reckon it's fair enough, stick the bill on the fridge and hold him accountable if, at this time next year our bills aren't significantly less..... :evil:
I full expect to see zero reduction in power bills or any other bills since that's not where the additional costs came from.
I full expect to see zero reduction in power bills or any other bills since that's not where the additional costs came from.
But, but Abbott promised! :whistler:
I'm sure we will all have to..... :(
I do feel for Dave though as he has such high expectations of Abbott.... :whistler:
I get easily annoyed by any polly' :mrgreen: talking about mandates.
In a democracy, after the complex preferences have been allocated, someone wins the election. That is not a mandate, it is a responsibiliy of trust placed in the party and should ALWAYS BE VIEWED AS SUCH. Let's face it, the general population do NOT give blanket authority for a PM or party to do what they like. This weekend's vote was a demo of that and 2 PM's during the last 3 years was a demo of that, too. So, Tony, STIFLE YOURSELF :exclaim:
You got that bit right. I've more than my fair share of disappointment over the last six years.What Dave enjoy more disappointment,because it is coming,someone promises to get rid of the mining tax when he got in as well,I didn't hear the full report today but that won't be happening now till I think it was stated 2015,Hummmm
Now it's your turn so enjoy it. ;)
Interesting to hear Tony banging on about his "mandate" and telling the"micro party" senators to respect it. He wasn't so sure about Kevin's "mandate" in 2007. :disapp:
http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6890/OPPOSITION-TOO-HAS-PROMISES-TO-KEEP.aspx (http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6890/OPPOSITION-TOO-HAS-PROMISES-TO-KEEP.aspx)
I get easily annoyed by any polly' :mrgreen: talking about mandates.
In a democracy, after the complex preferences have been allocated, someone wins the election. That is not a mandate, it is a responsibiliy of trust placed in the party and should ALWAYS BE VIEWED AS SUCH. Let's face it, the general population do NOT give blanket authority for a PM or party to do what they like. This weekend's vote was a demo of that and 2 PM's during the last 3 years was a demo of that, too. So, Tony, STIFLE YOURSELF :exclaim:
You got that bit right. I've more than my fair share of disappointment over the last six years.What Dave enjoy more disappointment,because it is coming,someone promises to get rid of the mining tax when he got in as well,I didn't hear the full report today but that won't be happening now till I think it was stated 2015,Hummmm
Now it's your turn so enjoy it. ;)
Interesting to hear Tony banging on about his "mandate" and telling the"micro party" senators to respect it. He wasn't so sure about Kevin's "mandate" in 2007. :disapp:
http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6890/OPPOSITION-TOO-HAS-PROMISES-TO-KEEP.aspx (http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6890/OPPOSITION-TOO-HAS-PROMISES-TO-KEEP.aspx)
What mandate did Rudd have in 2007?
I think it's pretty clear that the people have given Abbott mandates on the key policies that the election was fought and won on, judging by the absolute crushing of Labor at the polls.
I don't expect Labor to agree though, but if they choose not to it might be at their own peril as the majority of Australians have clearly had a gutful of them.
You got that bit right. I've more than my fair share of disappointment over the last six years.What Dave enjoy more disappointment,because it is coming,someone promises to get rid of the mining tax when he got in as well,I didn't hear the full report today but that won't be happening now till I think it was stated 2015,Hummmm
Now it's your turn so enjoy it. ;)
I'm sure that the Liberal government fully expects Labor supporters to try to pick them to pieces but the reality is this.
Liberal won. Labor lost, so you're all just going to have to live with it.
No amount of nitpicking or sulking is going to change anything. The LNP are in for at least the next three years.
So rather than me needing to get used to it, with all due respect I think it's you Labor supporters who need to suck it up and accept the fact. ;)
You got that bit right. I've more than my fair share of disappointment over the last six years.What Dave enjoy more disappointment,because it is coming,someone promises to get rid of the mining tax when he got in as well,I didn't hear the full report today but that won't be happening now till I think it was stated 2015,Hummmm
Now it's your turn so enjoy it. ;)
I'm sure that the Liberal government fully expects Labor supporters to try to pick them to pieces but the reality is this.
Liberal won. Labor lost, so you're all just going to have to live with it.
No amount of nitpicking or sulking is going to change anything. The LNP are in for at least the next three years.
So rather than me needing to get used to it, with all due respect I think it's you Labor supporters who need to suck it up and accept the fact. ;)
Gee, that cut & paste makes lots of sense.
I ask again, what mandates did Rudd have in 2007? On what policies?
I've accepted the fact that the Libs bullshited their way to power just as I accept that they will screw everyone over eventually.... :winker:
And That is the simple fact of it Phil. People were fed up with their CrapI've accepted the fact that the Libs bullshited their way to power just as I accept that they will screw everyone over eventually.... :winker:
Not so Rusty, that cold ride must have gone to your brain. :mrgreen
The Libs could have said NOTHING, and still won easily. The Oz public had had a gutful.
I've accepted the fact that the Libs bullshited their way to power just as I accept that they will screw everyone over eventually.... :winker:
Not so Rusty, that cold ride must have gone to your brain. :mrgreen
The Libs could have said NOTHING, and still won easily. The Oz public had had a gutful.
Interesting to hear Tony banging on about his "mandate" and telling the"micro party" senators to respect it. He wasn't so sure about Kevin's "mandate" in 2007. :disapp:
http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6890/OPPOSITION-TOO-HAS-PROMISES-TO-KEEP.aspx (http://tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6890/OPPOSITION-TOO-HAS-PROMISES-TO-KEEP.aspx)
What mandate did Rudd have in 2007?
I think it's pretty clear that the people have given Abbott mandates on the key policies that the election was fought and won on, judging by the absolute crushing of Labor at the polls.
I don't expect Labor to agree though, but if they choose not to it might be at their own peril as the majority of Australians have clearly had a gutful of them.
Rudd.took the ETS to the 2007 election.
http://results.aec.gov.au/13745/Website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-13745-NAT.htm (http://results.aec.gov.au/13745/Website/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-13745-NAT.htm)
How quickly conservatives forget. :disapp:
Not so Rusty, that cold ride must have gone to your brain. :mrgreen
The Libs could have said NOTHING, and still won easily. The Oz public had had a gutful.
So now that the result has been declared do we now close this thread and start a new one titled
Australian post Election Gripes
So now that the result has been declared do we now close this thread and start a new one titled
Australian post Election Gripes
No thanks, I hate locked threads..... :fum:
So now that the result has been declared do we now close this thread and start a new one titled
Australian post Election Gripes
So now that the result has been declared do we now close this thread and start a new one titled
Australian post Election Gripes
I agree, shut it down. My intention when staying the thread was to have it run until just after the election.