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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => TYRES | WHEELS | BRAKES => Topic started by: jfdelacruz on October 19, 2013, 16:35:20

Title: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 19, 2013, 16:35:20
Hi,
Few days ago I changed wheels to HRE P43 china replicas 18x8 ET38 with 225/40/18 Dunlop LM703 tires. It looks and feels great! Problem is, it's noisier than ever that I can barely take driving at 80MPH! The road noise changes depending on the road surface but it's most quiet on new smooth asphalt and very noisy on concrete roads.
The Dunlop LM703 tires are "supposed" to be quiet tires (said Dunlop's website) but mine are so damned noisy. This is the first time I've heard noisy wheels/tires and I've gone from Bridgestone S03, S02, RE001, RE002's on my other car and those were very quiet.
 
Since the tires are supposed to be quiet tires, is it possible that the wheels are somehow "amplifying" the noise? Or is it really just the tires? The MFG date on the tire is 2113 which is the 21st week of 2013 (fairly new).
 
I really need some help here before I spend more money and change out to grippy Bridgestone RE002's. If it's the wheels, then I'll try and get the wheel replaced. But I can't do that without proof or some kind of supporting information.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Keith on October 19, 2013, 16:48:02
Did you fit lower profile tyres to the 18 inch rims to maintain the correct rolling radius & speedometer accuracy? If so that's what's creating your road noise.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: AlanHo on October 19, 2013, 20:35:18
That's what 18" rims with such low profile tyres are for. To show the world that you like flashy and excessively noisy things. The only solution is to fill the boot with huge speakers and a several hundred watt amplifier playing heavy metal music to drown the road noise

There is no way that you will ever get a quiet ride on such thin rubber bands.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 19, 2013, 21:39:53
Sadly, there are mentions of increased road noise with larger rim size & low profile tyres in forum threads here. Pity you weren't aware of the likely outcome, before you spent your money. If you have any $ to spare, you may want to look at sound proofing materials. The wheel arches could certainly use some as on our car, I feel the door seals at the bottom are admitting too much sound too. :Dunno:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Keith on October 19, 2013, 23:11:34
Didn't AlanHo spend a lot of money on professionally fitted sound pricing for hardly any benefit?
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 19, 2013, 23:17:43
No,

but he did spend a lot of money on professionally fitted sound proofing for hardly any benefit? :mrgreen:

It was just a thought PK. I'm still in 2 minds about doing something about it myself. My 1993 car is quieter than the i30, but guzzles 2x the juice though.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Keith on October 19, 2013, 23:20:37
Damn.....  Errrr yea I'd toyed with the idea myself TBH but I won't now.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 19, 2013, 23:31:04
Here's some information that may be useful to us. It is a building scenario, but the theory is the same for cars.

http://www.soundproofing101.com/soundproofing_2.htm (http://www.soundproofing101.com/soundproofing_2.htm)
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: AlanHo on October 19, 2013, 23:37:09
No,

but he did spend a lot of money on professionally fitted sound proofing for hardly any benefit? :mrgreen:

It was just a thought PK. I'm still in 2 minds about doing something about it myself. My 1993 car is quieter than the i30, but guzzles 2x the juice though.

Yes - ever the optimist - I had my previous i30 soundproofed. It made hardly any difference - other than to fuel consumption which was worse because of lugging about 25 kg of soundproofing materials around.

I will not do it again.

What cost me hundreds would only cost Hyundai a small amount on the production line. No wonder they don't bother - it just does not work.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 20, 2013, 04:12:03
Oh bugger. Guess I'm going to have to go back to stock. It just looks so nice! Would better tires resolve or at least minimize this?
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Keith on October 20, 2013, 05:59:20
You already have "quiet tyres" fitted don't you? How you wold know in practice is beyond me but there will be manufacturers that claim to have the quietest tyres available.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: beerman on October 20, 2013, 09:00:28
I put a set of Dunlops on the wife's old Lancer, and they were loud too, and they were only 14" rims, though the tread was agressive

I think the the tyre people think that if you are going to the effort to fit 18" wheels, you are interested in performance and design accordingly....

rumour has it that both sets of my 15" tyres don't seem to cause any increase in road noise at 130, though this would be illegal and I wouldn't have any first hand experence to pass on.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: AlanHo on October 20, 2013, 09:48:36
It is a general truth that the lower the height of the tyre side wall - the greater the noise. All low profile tyres are noisier than standard profile. My original i30 had 17" rims and was much noisier than my second i30 which had 16" rims.

My latest car also has 16" rims and I changed the tyres from the noisy Hankook to Dunlop BluResponse which have reduced cabin noise by about 2dB on average. Being a sufferer of hearing loss I have waged war against cabin noise for several years and spent a lot of money doing it. I have even now purchased a decibel meter to evaluate it. However - my wife who has perfect hearing - says she has never really noticed any improvements when I have changed tyres.

I have posted lots of info on this forum on the subject - this was the latest

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=24435.msg264090#msg264090 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=24435.msg264090#msg264090)

Do an advanced search for "Road Noise" by alanho for the others.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 20, 2013, 09:59:05
Hi Alan,

I appreciate your response on this and I too am trying to protect my hearing. I'm only 24 but I want to retain as much of the frequency range as possible (I'm a self proclaimed audiophile).

I've decided to go back to stock and sell the nice 18" setup and just cut my losses. I'd rather have a comfortable and quiet ride than a flashy ride that will slowly destroy my hearing.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 20, 2013, 10:12:03
Here's a few pictures othe 18" setup which I will regretfully have to part with. They looks so nice and suitf  the car very well, especially in the color they're in (IMHO).
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1377200_682286061781909_1746851094_n.jpg) (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1377200_682286061781909_1746851094_n.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1383290_680022352008280_732470236_n.jpg) (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1383290_680022352008280_732470236_n.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1391861_679363062074209_996507015_n.jpg) (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1391861_679363062074209_996507015_n.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1383926_680004975343351_1175135715_n.jpg) (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/jfdelacruz/Facebook/i30-1/1383926_680004975343351_1175135715_n.jpg)
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Dazzler on October 20, 2013, 10:43:54
I think i would spend the money on some DIY soundproofing rather than ditching the wheels. You should be able to bring it down enough to be acceptable .
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 20, 2013, 11:04:16
The question is, in you guys opinion.... Do the "looks" justify adding soundproofing?
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 20, 2013, 11:09:36
I like the looks.
But it all depends on whether you can tolerate the noise.
I decided against larger rims because of the potential to "kerb" them in the city and also for the noise/comfort factor.
But they do look nice.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Dazzler on October 20, 2013, 11:25:11
I like the looks. They are my sort of wheel. I'm guessing you wont be able to get your money back....
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: AlanHo on October 20, 2013, 11:36:19
I think i would spend the money on some DIY soundproofing rather than ditching the wheels. You should be able to bring it down enough to be acceptable .

Most of the noise you are hearing is not being "radiated" by the tyre tread - but is being directly transmitted through the stiff tyre wall into the alloy wheel and thence through the suspension and drive shafts into the body shell and thus the cabin.

As a crude analogy - its a bit like when a Mechanic uses a listening stick (a rod with a ball on the end) between their ear and the engine to listen for noises. (The GD i30 is fitted with hollow drive shafts to cut down on the amount of tyre noise transmitted to the body shell).

To deaden this transmitted sound in the cabin will take an exorbitant amount (and weight) of sound absorption material.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 20, 2013, 13:49:08
I kind of figured out the harmonics of the tire/suspension/body is what's causing all of this. The tire itself isn't all that noisy when you're listening from the outside of the car (car passing by). It seems that the materials of the tire, metal of the wheels, and then the whole suspension is transmitting the sound/vibration to the cabin causing unwanted noise.

You're totally right about the analogy Alan.

I would suspect that with use, the tires will wear down and the frequency will change (hopefully for the better). Or changing to a different tire will definitely change the frequency but there is no way to tell whether it will be for the good or bad.

I have to choices here basically, go back to stock and use the wheels for track use only (yes, I do use my i30 for the track) or change tires (and cross my fingers) then sell the current tires.

My dad loves the wheels (though he can't admit it) and is pushing me to change tires, my friends love the wheels as well. I love the looks as well, but at this point I don't think I have the finances to take another risk. I'd have to be "guaranteed" that the new tires will be quieter before I pull the gun on it....
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: AlanHo on October 20, 2013, 13:51:31
You use the words "Change the tyres".  Just changing the tyres will not help - you need to change the wheels as well. 18" wheels and low profile tyres are a noisy combination - and you can't fit the existing 18" wheels with higher profile tyres because there is not enough space in the wheel arches and it would screw up the speedo and odo accuracy plus change the overall gearing ratio of the car and make it lethargic on acceleration.

I trust that is what you meant.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Just Rick on October 20, 2013, 14:30:13
I run 215/45/17's on one of mine,I don't think they are any noisier the the stock 205/55/16's on our other I30,I personally like the wheels you have,I would simply be putting up with the noise and try a different tyre the next time,we don't have many concrete roads over here either.

personally as I said I'd be keeping the wheels.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: jfdelacruz on October 21, 2013, 11:04:51
Quick update, when im on smooth asphalt (fresh) road noise is marginally higher than the oem's but if im on anything other than smooth roads, it just roars away. With that in mind, I think it's the car and not the tires that are noisy.

Horrible sound proofing on hyundai's part
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 21, 2013, 11:05:18
Unfortunately, my experience is the more a tyre wears, the noisier it becomes.
I had 19 inch strips of licorice on my GT and even when new they were noisy.
A lovely car but I remember driving down to visit the rellies at Waroona and thinking, "I'm getting too old for this."  :lol:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: rickai on October 25, 2013, 00:42:29
My experience is actually opposite to the OP's, I was expecting bigger wheels which will compromise comfort and noise but I in fact, I feel that my new 18inch 225/40 Pirelli P1 wheels has less noise than the stock 16inch hankook. Not sure if it's because of new tyres with 2,000km vs old tyres with 20,000km on it but I no longer feel like driving in an airplane on the highway. I drive the 2012 i30 GD which could have different soundproofing to the FD, could also be a factor as well.  :undecided:

Why would you get an 18" in the first place when you should know that they do no benefits other than for cosmetic purposes? I'd put up with the noise and keep those 18inch until they die, they look really sexy   :evil: (speaking from a 25 yo)
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 25, 2013, 01:25:30
My thinking seems to be at odds with popular opinion here. A small diameter wheel (Morris mini) would have to be more affected by potholes etc, because more of it's radius sinks into any hole, which then means the suspension has lateral forces pushing against it to overcome the depression and rise back to the road surface. The lateral forces opposing forward motion cause a variation in velocity, felt as an uncomfortable ride. So too, the suspension in a small wheeled car has a lot more work to do to absorb the wheel depression and the instantly react to the wheel climbing out again.

The opposite should apply to large diameter wheels, so why is the ride not comfortable  :question:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: rustynutz on October 25, 2013, 07:34:51
I think it's more to do with the tyre profile.....Smaller wheels tend to have higher profile tyres fitted.

My daughter's Hyundai Accent has 14" wheels with 70 profile tyres and I reckon it rides potholes better than the 16" 55 combo of my i30...  :undecided:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 25, 2013, 07:50:07
I     C  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Dazzler on October 25, 2013, 09:08:55
Plus... the external diameter of the overall wheel/tyre combo on the i30's we are talking about is roughly the same  :winker:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Keith on October 25, 2013, 10:55:43
Yup... Phil, think of it more like having a rubber band around the wheel rather than a nice comfy thick inflated tyre...  :P
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Phil №❶ on October 25, 2013, 11:17:05
Thanks chaps.  :hatoff:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 25, 2013, 12:27:54
I think it's more to do with the tyre profile.....Smaller wheels tend to have higher profile tyres fitted.



Correct.    :agreed:
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Dazzler on October 25, 2013, 12:36:27
I think it's more to do with the tyre profile.....Smaller wheels tend to have higher profile tyres fitted.



Correct.    :agreed:

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Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Doggie 1 on October 25, 2013, 12:40:47
I think it's more to do with the tyre profile.....Smaller wheels tend to have higher profile tyres fitted.



Correct.    :agreed:

Bookmark this one folks  - Dave and Rusty actually agree on one thing  :faint:

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Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Dazzler on October 25, 2013, 12:43:04
I think it's more to do with the tyre profile.....Smaller wheels tend to have higher profile tyres fitted.



Correct.    :agreed:

Bookmark this one folks  - Dave and Rusty actually agree on one thing  :faint:

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You'd be surprised. Rusty and I agree on a few things.  :lol:

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Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: rustynutz on October 25, 2013, 12:49:25
:rofl: :rofl:
You'd be surprised. Rusty and I agree on a few things.  :lol:

That's right, we usually agree to disagree.... :D

Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Just Rick on October 25, 2013, 13:12:58
I     C  :goodjob2:

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Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Surferdude on October 29, 2013, 20:16:29
Just caught up with this one folks.
Been away (in Tassie).
Alan Ho is quite right in his description of what happens with an 18" wheel and tyre combo.
The difference which "might" be noticed by changing to a different tread pattern will be negligible, despite what any tyre dealer hoping to make a sale might tell you.
They are nice looking wheels though.
Surely you could get a similar pattern in 16" if you really like them.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: agentr31 on November 03, 2013, 11:38:36
why the stretched tyres?? its not slammed...

wack some 235/40's on it next time and get those sidewalls straight!! i bet it would help with the road noise too as there is slightly more sidewall, and its not 'stretched' so its a bit more relaxed. Plus they would be heaps cheaper being a way more common size.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: AlanHo on November 03, 2013, 12:43:57
why the stretched tyres?? its not slammed...

wack some 235/40's on it next time and get those sidewalls straight!! i bet it would help with the road noise too as there is slightly more sidewall, and its not 'stretched' so its a bit more relaxed. Plus they would be heaps cheaper being a way more common size.

If you do put a wider tyre on than recommended by Hyundai - (in the UK ) you would be wise to advise your insurance company. In the UK - if you didn't advise them and had an accident - they would use that as an excuse to refuse the claim.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Just Rick on November 03, 2013, 12:57:33
Exactly the same over here Alan,the insurance companies I have heard and not sure how true it is,refused a young blokes  claim because he had not informed them of the huge stereo he had put in his car.

Not sure about over there but having many discussions with insurance assessors and advisors over here,ANY change from standard(what was sold with the vehicle at the time of purchase,whether it be standard or option) is classified as a modification,so if I was to buy an SX and simply change the wheels from 15" steel(SX Standard) to the 16" SLX alloys,that to them is technically a modification and can if they wish to be pedantic void your insurance,every change I have made to Bruce and Cyril has been reported and recorded by the insurance company,even doing this I could still loose a claim on Cyril,as his wheels and tyres are not one recommended on the tyre chart on the door pillar,so many PPL make changes to their vehicles and don't report them to their insurance companies,then wonder why their claims are rejected.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Surferdude on November 03, 2013, 19:19:19
why the stretched tyres?? its not slammed...

wack some 235/40's on it next time and get those sidewalls straight!! i bet it would help with the road noise too as there is slightly more sidewall, and its not 'stretched' so its a bit more relaxed. Plus they would be heaps cheaper being a way more common size.

If you do put a wider tyre on than recommended by Hyundai - (in the UK ) you would be wise to advise your insurance company. In the UK - if you didn't advise them and had an accident - they would use that as an excuse to refuse the claim.
And make sure you get their acceptance IN WRITING. A verbal acknowledgement over the phone is worth nothing when push comes to shove. And it will.
Title: Re: New 18" Wheels = Excessive Road Noise
Post by: Doggie 1 on November 04, 2013, 11:38:41
What????  :undecided:  :Shocked:  :confused:
Insurance companies trying to get out of paying claims???  :eek: :Shocked: :Shocked:
No, never.
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