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OFF TOPIC => WORLD NEWS => Motoring => Topic started by: rustynutz on February 26, 2014, 09:26:49
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New laws make NSW first to give motorcyclists approval to move past stalled, slow cars
LANE filtering by motorcyclists today is legal in NSW in an Australian first aimed at easing traffic congestion and boosting road safety.
The practice involves riders travelling between lanes of halted or slow-moving cars, usually in central city areas. This includes motorcycles travelling within a lane, on the lane line or into the adjacent lane when filtering.
Government approval of the practice, announced this evening by NSW Roads Minister Duncan Gay, follows a three-month trial in Sydney CBD areas.
It is expected to provide a model for all other states where laws on the practice are vague and most riders are unsure whether they are within the law. Police services have been among the groups seeking clarification of the legal position.
Filtering speeds up gridlocked traffic by removing motorcycles from the queues, and lessens the risk of riders being rear-ended by car drivers, the most-common motorcycle accident.
“Ultimately riders are doing drivers a big fat favour by lane filtering and reducing congestion for all. This also highlights the fact that the community consultation process in NSW is alive and well,” said Christopher Burns, spokesman for the Motorcycle Council of NSW.
“Lane Filtering also has the benefit of reducing congestion as motorcycles are not taking up the equivalent of a car space and with close to 4000 motorcycles travelling into the Sydney CBD every weekday one can easily estimate the benefits to car drivers.”
The practice has restrictions.
During the trials riders were not allowed to travel through moving traffic, known as lane splitting, or allowed to overtake to the left of a vehicle in the left-hand lane.
When traffic was queued at intersections, riders could move forward but had to stop behind the stop-line. And riders were not allowed in bus-only lanes.
Car and truck drivers will now have to get used to the possibility that a motorcycle might be squeezing past them in stalled traffic.
Drivers will be urged to watch both their mirrors and look for motorbikes filtering through the traffic, and riders will have to assess risks and if it looks dangerous, ride accordingly.
The Motorcycle Council congratulated Mr Gay and the Government for legalising what Mr Burns said had been “common practice for motorcycle riders across the country and overseas for decades”.
Source: New laws make NSW first to give motorcyclists approval to move past stalled, (http://www.news.com.au/national/new-laws-make-nsw-first-to-give-motorcyclists-approval-to-move-past-stalled-slow-cars/story-fncynjr2-1226838504353)
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Hellebloodyluyah!!! :goodjob: :happydance: :victory:
Now lets just hope the other States follow suit....
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:goodjob:
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You pay less rego, wait in line.....I've had enough of those idiots who nearly take off my mirror to take the front spot only to not pay attention to the lights and hold me up.
Get in line with the rest of us....
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Why doesn't your response surprise me?..... :rolleyes: :fum: :head_butt:
Well, you may very well have to suck it up if the other States follow NSW's lead.... :victory:
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I would hate to disappoint....
Though the less rego thing was tongue in cheek....
Nearly taking off my mirror then holding me up, happens all too often.
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Actually, in some States you pay pretty much the same (rego wise) for a motorcycle as you do for a car... :head_butt:
Btw beerman, if motorcyclists did what you suggest (wait in line), you'd probably be held up even more... :whistler:
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No I wouldn't they would be behind me :cool: :whistler:
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No I wouldn't they would be behind me :cool: :whistler:
:rofl:
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No I wouldn't they would be behind me :cool: :whistler:
Not for long.... :D
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I personally don't care as long as they don't damage my car in any way whilst moving between vehicles.
I notice one of the restrictions is that when at intersections, they must stop behind the stop -line. I'd like to know what they'd do if after working their way between vehicles, they discover the vehicles at the front of the queue have stopped right up to the stop-line, leaving no room for the motor cyclist.
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Here in uk this has been going on from day 1.
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Yep, but here in Oz our safetycrats really don't like doing anything that might encourage motorcycling.
It was only a few years ago that they were pushing to have it specifically banned.
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I notice one of the restrictions is that when at intersections, they must stop behind the stop -line. I'd like to know what they'd do if after working their way between vehicles, they discover the vehicles at the front of the queue have stopped right up to the stop-line, leaving no room for the motor cyclist.
They'll just do what I always did...stop alongside the front car and when the lights change you just accelerate away and then pull in ahead of the car. :D
Never did see the logic of crossing the stop line, you're leaving yourself wide open to get done by a speed/red light camera. :head_butt:
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If, in that situation, there was more than one bike, would there be the risk for the subsequent bikes, of a collision with an adjacent vehicle because the subsequent riders couldn't accelerate away as quickly as the first bike?
I have never ridden a bike and never will but I always drive with complete consideration for bike riders because it's the right thing to do with any road user, but especially with regard to the vulnerability of bike riders.
When directly behind bikes I always leave more space than I normally would.
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Good to hear you're so considerate towards motorcyclists, snookes. :goodjob:
There are many drivers out there who will go out of their way to block motorcyclists from lane splitting/filtering due to their jealousy that they themselves are stuck in traffic while the motorcyclist is free to get ahead of everyone else.
Re your question, most motorcycles will out accelerate cars with ease if need be, but if they can't they will usually just merge into the rest of the traffic....
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Motorcycle Lane Filtering -- Why It Should Be Legal -- Maurice Blackburn Lawyers (http://youtu.be/wSRY7RxMF1g)
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Tips on filtering or lane splitting - YouTube (http://youtu.be/7Ed_qbSJsg4)
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No I wouldn't they would be behind me :cool: :whistler:
Not for long.... :D
Yes, indeed.
I can't imagine any motorbike holding up someone driving an i30...
Hell, the other day, some goose in a Porsche tried to have a go. Note the keyword, "tried" here...
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:goodjob: :snigger:
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No I wouldn't they would be behind me :cool: :whistler:
Not for long.... :D
Yes, indeed.
I can't imagine any motorbike holding up someone driving an i30...
Hell, the other day, some goose in a Porsche tried to have a go. Note the keyword, "tried" here...
Sounds like the WRX I kept honest in our old CRDi, up a hill near Launceston! :victory:
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Some news that will be sure to excite some of our Queensland members.... :whistler:
Apparently the Queensland Government is now considering legalising motorcycle lane filtering.... :happydance: :goodjob:
So guys, you might want to start using those mirrors and doing head checks before changing lanes or opening doors etc... :whistler:
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What?
That horrible, nasty, stupid, Queensland government that you've been talking about? :undecided:
Must be a bad decision then. :lol:
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I just make the motorcycles wait. Get close to the car in the other lane when coming to a stop. They can wait and my car is prevented from being scratched or mirror being taken off.
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Great attitude, Reaps.... :rolleyes:
Did it ever cross your mind that if you kept to the left damage is unlikely?
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:whsaid:
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Cant see anything wrong with this law as long as it is done as shown by the motorcyclist in Rustys video. I try to keep to the left to allow them to go forward as it is now, but I was a motorcyclist from an early age in the UK, the reason I mention this is as a teenager many of us had no way to afford a car and our first mode of transport was a motorbike and then at a later date getting a car. Having ridden motorbikes it gave us more awareness of them when driving a car . It is a shame there is not more tolerance of all road users, it sure would make driving a much more pleasant experience. Right that's me off my soap box :D
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I wish more road users were like you, John... :goodjob:
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If I'm in the right lane on the freeway in stop/start traffic, I always keep well to the right to allow room for the motorbikes.
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The Queensland Government is looking at possibly allowing riders to lane filter to the left of vehicles in the left lane as well, something I believe will be illegal when lane filtering starts in NSW....
They are also discussing the possibility of changes to the rules re keeping both feet on the foot pegs and at least one hand on the handle bars.
Also the possibility of allowing the use of helmets that comply with safety standards overseas but haven't been tested to comply with our own ADR.
Must say it's refreshing that they are looking into this sort of thing....Whether they actually come to pass remains to be seen.
I do know the RACQ opposes lane filtering based on a member survey from a few years back...Not surprising as I'm guessing the majority of members would be car drivers and we know how jealous they can be when they are forced to sit in traffic congestion and a motorcyclist is free to lane filter pass... :rolleyes:
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Further to my earlier post I would also like to add that I felt very vulnerable when I was stopped on my motorbike between the front and rear of cars in traffic . I felt it was much safer being able to go down the centre if possible. In slow moving traffic with cars just riding the clutch ,it would only take a driver of a car at the rear to slip off the clutch or through lack of attention crush a rider between the two cars. Just look at the amount of cars lately that have taken short cuts through shop fronts accidentally pushing the throttle pedal , imagine this happening to a rider .This is only my opinion . :neutral:
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Good post, John.... :goodjob:
Yes, I whole heartedly agree, the incidence of rear end shunts are roughly a quarter of all accidents so it makes perfect sense for motorcyclists to use that part of the lane to keep out of trouble. At intersections I'd much rather stay in that position too instead of doing what many riders do which is to trickle to the front and then pull across in front of the vehicles already there.
What I don't get though is why lane filtering upsets so many drivers.
If they purposely kept to one side of the lane and made it easy for riders to pass there would be little likelihood of suffering any damage. But no, as we've already seen posted here, some drivers will go out of their way to block riders.
If only they used their brain and thought about it they just might realise that letting riders through can help ease congestion, but no, they'd rather force riders to sit in line like themselves....after all, we can't have them getting to their destination before we do can we? :head_butt:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/StuffedAndMounted1.jpg~original)
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Good Photo of what I was trying to explain thank's Rusty. I think the attitude of a lot of drivers is if I am stuck here so should you be . I always try to get a good look at the bike and listen to how good it sounds and think good on you for being able to get further than us people that choose to sit in a car, after all it is our choice to drive a car rather than a motorbike ,if health allowed I would love to get back on a bike regardless of my age. My brother still rides motorbikes at the age of 70 and has 3 of them plus his car when it's raining :lol: Waiting for the backlash now. :wink:
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Good on you, John...and good on your brother for still riding at that age.... :goodjob:
I just wish I could ride more, unfortunately rides are few and far between these days....Hasn't dampened my love for them though. :D
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Great attitude, Reaps.... :rolleyes:
Did it ever cross your mind that if you kept to the left damage is unlikely?
what if im in a middle lane???
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Same thing... :victory:
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Great attitude, Reaps.... :rolleyes:
Did it ever cross your mind that if you kept to the left damage is unlikely?
what if im in a middle lane???
Hi Reaps as Rusty said if in middle lane or right hand lane keep over as far as possible to the right , I can assure you the last thing riders want to do is damage your car ,after all most riders also drive a car and they do understand how you feel. I urge you to give it a fair go and I think you may join Rusty and I on our attitude as would many others. :goodjob2:
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And remember when you're driving on French freeways in your Renault 21 Estate, stay as far over to the LEFT instead, despite naturally tending to the UK driver's side for your visibility, or you'll incur the wrath of the French motorcyclists, such as "Porc Anglaise!", not that this little Aussie has ever had this experience. :whistler:
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I will never convert to pro two wheels :lol:
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You don't have to be pro 2 wheels, Reaps....you just need to respect that they have as much right to use the roads as any other road user. :goodjob:
Purposely blocking riders is just another form of road rage, it is also possibly illegal as rule 125 states that a driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.
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In any altercation, a rider will come off second best by a very long way - OK to give throw the balance in their favour. :goodjob:
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You don't have to be pro 2 wheels, Reaps....you just need to respect that they have as much right to use the roads as any other road user. :goodjob:
Purposely blocking riders is just another form of road rage, it is also possibly illegal as rule 125 states that a driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.
You might have trouble proving that if reaper has simply pulled up to one side of, but still within the marked lane.
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I find that pulling off to the outside of the lane works a treat.
Left in the left hand lane, right in the right hand lane.
That way, there is more room in between for the bikes.
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I find that pulling off to the outside of the lane works a treat.
Left in the left hand lane, right in the right hand lane.
That way, there is more room in between for the bikes.
That's what I do too Dave. But I try really hard not to drive in traffic at all these days. ;)
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You don't have to be pro 2 wheels, Reaps....you just need to respect that they have as much right to use the roads as any other road user. :goodjob:
Purposely blocking riders is just another form of road rage, it is also possibly illegal as rule 125 states that a driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.
You might have trouble proving that if reaper has simply pulled up to one side of, but still within the marked lane.
well said... and use the road in the same fashion as everyone else.
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You don't have to be pro 2 wheels, Reaps....you just need to respect that they have as much right to use the roads as any other road user. :goodjob:
Purposely blocking riders is just another form of road rage, it is also possibly illegal as rule 125 states that a driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.
You might have trouble proving that if reaper has simply pulled up to one side of, but still within the marked lane.
On a multi lane road, yes....but on a single lane road he's required by law to keep as close as practical to the left side of the road....
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Almost every bike rider that I have seen filter, is filtering to fast. It should be a crawl. Not a race to see if they can get to the front of the line. Too many idiots on bikes. And yeah maybe there are some of them that do it properly. But until the control the jerk offs then they shouldn't be allowed.
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and use the road in the same fashion as everyone else.
See, now this is your problem, because you drive a car you expect every other vehicle to behave like a car... :whistler:
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That's my issue too.
I have no problem with lane splitting when safe to do so.
But on the freeway when cars are doing 15-20 km/h in heavy traffic, some (not all) bikes race through at phenomenal speeds.
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Just read that law about staying practical left. That is about staying left unless overtaking. Has nothing to do about being at a stop light.
Correction: on single lane roads as well stay practical left.
But still nothing about stop lights
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Why would it need to mention stop lights? :undecided:
Too many idiots on bikes. And yeah maybe there are some of them that do it properly. But until the control the jerk offs then they shouldn't be allowed.
There are jerkoffs driving cars too, should we just stop everyone else from driving while we're at it? :lol:
Regardless of your anti motorcycle leanings, Reaps...these lane filtering laws are coming so you might just as well accept them... :D
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Reaper makes a good point regarding the speed at which bikes "filter". I too am often apprehensive about the speed at which they pass me when the traffic is stopped. And they weave from lane to lane between cars, too.
Sure a lot do it right but the percentage who don't indicates a disregard for other road users.
There are all sorts of reasons why cars in traffic which stop at a red light are not geometrically lined up straight behind one another. It doesn't have to be a deliberate act.
There are also places where the lanes are noticeably narrower (older, inner city streets etc), and any form of filtering is dangerous.
Over the years I've lost count of the number of times I've seen side mirrors damaged by bike riders pushing through and misjudging the gap.
I've held an open motorcycle licence since I was about 25 - and rode unlicensed for years before that. For years I rode right across Brisbane from the southern suburbs to the far northern suburbs to work five times a week and managed to survive. I did that by being aware of the fact that in any argument with a car I was going to come off second best.
When I first got my (car) licence, someone gave me a bit of advice which I've never forgotten. They said something along the lines of, "Cemeteries are full of people who were in the right, but they're still dead." I've never forgotten it but todays crop of motorcycle riders (a generalisation, I know) seem to be more concerned with being "in the right" at all costs.
It's a dangerous attitude.
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Reaper makes a good point regarding the speed at which bikes "filter". I too am often apprehensive about the speed at which they pass me when the traffic is stopped.
Which is why, with the specific law allowing lane filtering in NSW, there will be a speed limit of 30kph.
I suspect, if lane filtering goes ahead in Queensland, and hopefully in other States, the speed limit will be the same.
There are all sorts of reasons why cars in traffic which stop at a red light are not geometrically lined up straight behind one another. It doesn't have to be a deliberate act.
I do realise that, but, as reaps admitted, drivers DO intentionally block motorcyclists at times...
I did that by being aware of the fact that in any argument with a car I was going to come off second best.
They said something along the lines of, "Cemeteries are full of people who were in the right, but they're still dead."
Good advice....and it's something I've always lived by.... :goodjob:
I've never forgotten it but todays crop of motorcycle riders (a generalisation, I know) seem to be more concerned with being "in the right" at all costs.
It's a dangerous attitude.
Same thing with car drivers too, unfortunately... :head_butt:
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Forgive my ignorance, but isn't there a difference between "filtering" and "lane splitting"? My understanding is that filtering is done when the traffic is stationary, lane splitting is done at speed and I believe, dangerous. I don't think they are legalising lane splitting.
If I can help somebody get to their destination earlier and legally, then why not?
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Forgive my ignorance, but isn't there a difference between "filtering" and "lane splitting"? My understanding is that filtering is done when the traffic is stationary or slow moving, lane splitting is done at speed and I believe can be dangerous. I don't think they are legalising lane splitting.
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Otherwise quite right, Jamie.... :goodjob:
Although technically lane splitting (and filtering) isn't illegal as things stand...
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Thanks Rusty, you said what I was trying to say. :victory:
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IMO, 30 kph is still too fast if the traffic is stationary.
Quote from: Surferdude on Today at 18:11:35
I've never forgotten it but todays crop of motorcycle riders (a generalisation, I know) seem to be more concerned with being "in the right" at all costs.
It's a dangerous attitude.
Quote from Rustnutz.........
Same thing with car drivers too, unfortunately..
But my point is that it is MUCH MORE dangerous for a motorcyclist. See the cemetery comment.
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Having followed these postings with great interest I agree that 30 kms speed is too fast when filtering through traffic at a stand still or moving slowly, 15 kms would be more sensible allowing a motorcyclist the chance to stop if necessary , my main concern was the attitude of some "I can't get up the front so neither will you". There will always be controversy over the new rules but like it or not this is going to be the new law and if everybody is sensible it will work. Motorbikes are more vulnerable than cars for sure and it is up to car drivers to do the right thing and be more aware. There will always be the hotheads that give motorcyclist a bad name as there is car drivers but I like to think that once the testosterone has eased off a bit and we all settle into a calmer state of life we accept responsibility and are more tolerant of each other, it sure makes life a lot easier. :neutral:
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Why would it need to mention stop lights? :undecided:
Too many idiots on bikes. And yeah maybe there are some of them that do it properly. But until the control the jerk offs then they shouldn't be allowed.
There are jerkoffs driving cars too, should we just stop everyone else from driving while we're at it? :lol:
Regardless of your anti motorcycle leanings, Reaps...these lane filtering laws are coming so you might just as well accept them... :D
they're already in affect in NSW lol
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No they're not, they come into force July 1..... :victory:
Lane filtering < Motorcyclists < Staying safe < NSW Centre for Road Safety (http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/motorcyclists/lanefiltering/index.html)
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Having followed these postings with great interest I agree that 30 kms speed is too fast when filtering through traffic at a stand still or moving slowly, 15 kms would be more sensible allowing a motorcyclist the chance to stop if necessary , my main concern was the attitude of some "I can't get up the front so neither will you". There will always be controversy over the new rules but like it or not this is going to be the new law and if everybody is sensible it will work. Motorbikes are more vulnerable than cars for sure and it is up to car drivers to do the right thing and be more aware. There will always be the hotheads that give motorcyclist a bad name as there is car drivers but I like to think that once the testosterone has eased off a bit and we all settle into a calmer state of life we accept responsibility and are more tolerant of each other, it sure makes life a lot easier. :neutral:
While I agree with most of what you said, John...I do disagree over the speed limit.
30kph is the maximum, anyone can always travel slower if they need to.
Travel too slowly and riders will start to wobble around raising the possibility of clipping other vehicles...
That's my opinion anyhow.... :)
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Having followed these postings with great interest I agree that 30 kms speed is too fast when filtering through traffic at a stand still or moving slowly, 15 kms would be more sensible allowing a motorcyclist the chance to stop if necessary , my main concern was the attitude of some "I can't get up the front so neither will you". There will always be controversy over the new rules but like it or not this is going to be the new law and if everybody is sensible it will work. Motorbikes are more vulnerable than cars for sure and it is up to car drivers to do the right thing and be more aware. There will always be the hotheads that give motorcyclist a bad name as there is car drivers but I like to think that once the testosterone has eased off a bit and we all settle into a calmer state of life we accept responsibility and are more tolerant of each other, it sure makes life a lot easier. :neutral:
While I agree with most of what you said, John...I do disagree over the speed limit.
30kph is the maximum, anyone can always travel slower if they need to.
Travel too slowly and riders will start to wobble around raising the possibility of clipping other vehicles...
That's my opinion anyhow.... :)
Fair comment Rusty.
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Geez. If they can't handle 15 kph with stability, they shouldn't have a licence.
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Yeah, but not everyone is as legendary at riding as you, Trev... :lol:
Besides being less stable at low speeds, having a low maximum speed will mean a rider will be inclined to watch the speedo and not pay quite as much attention to looking for trouble ahead....
And for those thinking 30kph is too fast, how fast do you pass parked cars because that's what a lane filtering motorcyclist is basically doing. :wink:
Regardless of the speed limit set for lane filtering though, I suspect it will be pretty much impossible to enforce.
Probably makes more sense to forget about setting a limit and just nab riders that are obviously lane filtering like a d*ckhead...
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Labor plans to let motorcyclists weave through traffic
TENSIONS between motorcyclists and car users could erupt under a Labor plan that would allow motorbike riders to weave through slow-moving or stationary traffic.
The Opposition has pledged to change the law to allow lane filtering - where motorcycle and scooter riders can move between cars that have stopped or are moving slowly, if it wins the November election.
Lane filtering was endorsed in a 2012 report by the State Government’s Road Safety Committee, which recommended more research be done “with the aim of introducing filtering in Victoria”.
The committee assessed data from the Victorian Coroners Court and police crash reports which found that filtering was a factor in just three fatal motorcycle crashes in Victoria from January 2000 to February 2011.
While the committee also heard evidence that filtering could have safety and congestion benefits, the State Government rejected the recommendation.
The Opposition says its policy to allow lane filtering will help reduce traffic gridlock on Melbourne roads and would protect riders from same direction collisions, which is the main cause of riders ending up in hospital in Melbourne.
Labor’s spokesman for roads, road safety and the TAC Luke Donnellan said the Government had been “slow to act” on the recommendations.
“Lane filtering is a commonsense approach and that’s why Labor will move to implement this change, that will increase safety for all road users,” Mr Donnellan said.
“This policy is supported by motorists and road safety experts - it just makes sense.”
Labor’s plan follows interstate moves to allow the controversial manoeuvre.
From July, motorcyclists in NSW will be allowed to ride between cars at low speeds and the Queensland Government is looking at ways to safely introduce lane filtering.
Although there is no specific law preventing filtering in Victoria, riders can be penalised for not leaving a safe distance while overtaking, moving out of a marked lane or overtaking to the left of a vehicle, which can attract a fine of more than $500.
Principal lawyer from Maurice Blackburn John Voyage backed Labor’s plan and said the law was “legally ambiguous” in Victoria.
“As a safety issue, it’s a winner and as an anti-congestion issue, it’s a winner,” he said.
“We had a superb committee report and the government has shelved the committee’s recommendation.”
Damien Codognotto from the Independent Riders’ Group also welcomed the policy and said lane filtering was the “safest way to negotiate heavy traffic.”
Spokeswoman for Transport Minister Terry Mulder, Larissa Garvin, said: “The Victorian Government did not accept the recommendation on lane filtering, primarily due to the difficulty of enforcing the rule”.
She said the government was aware of interstate trials and would be “watching the implementation and outcomes” before making any decision on potential changes in Victoria.
Source: Labor plans to let motorcyclists weave through traffic | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/labor-plans-to-let-motorcyclists-weave-through-traffic/story-fnii5sms-1226931023823)
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Yeah, but not everyone is as legendary at riding as you, Trev... :lol:
That statement offers nothing positive to this discussion.
Besides being less stable at low speeds, having a low maximum speed will mean a rider will be inclined to watch the speedo and not pay quite as much attention to looking for trouble ahead....
So, if we leave it at 30, that means they'll be riding twice as fast whilst looking at the speedo ... :scared:
And for those thinking 30kph is too fast, how fast do you pass parked cars because that's what a lane filtering motorcyclist is basically doing. :wink:
Parked cars are required to check for any potential dangers AND indicate before moving out. Plus they're likely to have brake lights on as they prepare to move. I con't believe this is a fair comparison.
Regardless of the speed limit set for lane filtering though, I suspect it will be pretty much impossible to enforce. Quite right but I suspect most riders would see it as a guideline and act accordingly. The issue is more one of what drivers have to expect when bikes are approaching through the mass of traffic behind them.
Probably makes more sense to forget about setting a limit and just nab riders that are obviously lane filtering like a d*ckhead... Agreed. There are several existing laws which could apply.
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That statement offers nothing positive to this discussion.
And your comment did??
It's not rocket science, Trev....the slower a motorcycle goes, the less gyroscopic forces there are helping to keep the bike stable.
So, if we leave it at 30, that means they'll be riding twice as fast whilst looking at the speedo ... :scared:
Or perhaps riders will travel below 30 and not have to concentrate on the speedo.
Parked cars are required to check for any potential dangers AND indicate before moving out. Plus they're likely to have brake lights on as they prepare to move. I con't believe this is a fair comparison.
And cars "parked" in traffic are somehow not required to check for potential dangers and indicate before changing lanes etc??? The same rules apply, drivers must only change lanes when it is safe to do so....
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As usual, you HAVE to have the last say. How come everyone else can contribute in a positive manner?
I'm out.
Go for your life.
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:rolleyes:
Trevor, it would appear it's perfectly ok to pick anything I say to pieces but another matter entirely if anyone dares to do the same to you... :head_butt:
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Getting back on topic, what an inflammatory headline the Herald Sun used in that news article..... :rolleyes:
Not really surprising though as they are well known to be anti motorcycle.
There's nothing like trying to escalate tensions between car and motorcyclists even more than they are now for the sake of a headline... :fum:
Motorcyclists already lane filter so basically not a lot will change even if these proposed road law changes are eventually bought in.
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A interesting read for those that doubt that lane filtering can make life safer for motorcyclists....
http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/LANE_SHARING_A_GLOBAL_SOLUTION_FOR_MOTORCYCLE_SAFETY.pdf (http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/LANE_SHARING_A_GLOBAL_SOLUTION_FOR_MOTORCYCLE_SAFETY.pdf)
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Motorcycle filtering laws: Victorian Government rejects proposal to allow riders to weave through stationary traffic - (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-26/motorcyclists-to-be-allowed-to-weave-through-stationary-traffic/5477202)
But it found filtering was a factor in three motorbike fatalities between 2000 and 2011.
State Transport Minister Terry Mulder said he could not endorse something that had led to deaths on the roads.
"Given the fact it's proven to have killed people in the past, I'm not sure how many seriously injured, I couldn't on the back of that recommend that practice," Mr Mulder said.
The Victorian Transport Minister is a moron.....a total of 3 motorcyclists killed over 11 years, how many does he think have been killed in other road accidents such as rear end shunts? :rolleyes:
Talk about having his head up his own backside, lane filtering has been shown to be safer yet he chooses to ignore what his fellow parliamentarians in other states have now realised and are in the process of introducing.
This bloke is so far out of touch when it comes to motorcycling it's not funny....
It's also interesting that the Media has been making a big song and dance over the possible introduction showing footage of high speed lane splitting instead of showing the general public what filtering actually is.
Headlines saying motorcyclists will be swerving through traffic is just uneducated garbage meant to try to turn the public against the practice of lane filtering.
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I've been riding bikes on and off for the last 44yrs and still do, I've never heard anyone being killed through lane filtering, not saying it hasn't happened, but if executed correctly its a safe way of making progress in heavy traffic and no hardship to other road users but it does p*&s some drivers off who are stuck in traffic queues. If you do a advanced motorcycle riding course they encourage to do so.
I've only had one close shave when i was in almost standing traffic on the motorway going over Barton Bridge i was filtering between the 1st and 2nd lane and doing about 5 to 10mph approached this 4x4 in the 1st lane and as i got along side him i could see he was looking in his drivers door mirror and he decided to close the gap and that is when i came into contact with his door mirror, it didnt break off just knocked it back and there he was blasting his horn so i stopped and walked back to him and the best thing he did was to lock his doors coz i would of ripped his head off if they were open.
I use the bike mainly to get to and from work and not to be sitting in traffic, it can take up to 3 times longer if i use the car in rush hour traffic.
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I've been riding bikes on and off for the last 44yrs and still do, I've never heard anyone being killed through lane filtering, not saying it hasn't happened, but if executed correctly its a safe way of making progress in heavy traffic and no hardship to other road users but it does p*&s some drivers off who are stuck in traffic queues. If you do a advanced motorcycle riding course they encourage to do so.
I've only had one close shave when i was in almost standing traffic on the motorway going over Barton Bridge i was filtering between the 1st and 2nd lane and doing about 5 to 10mph approached this 4x4 in the 1st lane and as i got along side him i could see he was looking in his drivers door mirror and he decided to close the gap and that is when i came into contact with his door mirror, it didnt break off just knocked it back and there he was blasting his horn so i stopped and walked back to him and the best thing he did was to lock his doors coz i would of ripped his head off if they were open.
I use the bike mainly to get to and from work and not to be sitting in traffic, it can take up to 3 times longer if i use the car in rush hour traffic.
There's an old adage "two wrongs don't make a right".
And if the incident had been seen by a traffic cop who do you think would have received a ticket? Getting off your bike to remonstrate could indicate "road rage" to some and, to others, that you may not have been in full command of the situation as you had anticipated what could happen. A traffic penalty is bad enough but a criminal charge for assault is not a good idea.
Take a deep breath and make allowances for these occasional tossers.
On the general principle of lane splitting I have ridden two wheels even longer than you and we should be above ranting about the driving of others. Living next to a motorway and travelling into London regularly the antics of some riders in rush hour traffic is beyond belief. I have seen them riding at 50mph through lanes of traffic barely moving when there is every likelihood of a motorist changing lanes to gain some anticipated advantage. It's no good saying car drivers should be aware of what is behind but in slow moving traffic attention is far more likely to be concentrated on what is going on ahead. The "Be biker aware" posters do make me smile as "bikers - be aware" is just as appropriate...IMO.
Happy biking. :wink:
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Baradeur, I totally agree with you, but when someone blatantly tries to close the gap and which could lead me to injury well i'm afraid the red mist comes over, and as far as not being in full command of the situation I read the road ahead and the gap was clear to make the manoeuver safely, if I wasn't already along side his back wheel it would of been different and it wouldn't of bothered me ,I would just sit and wait for a safe gap.
I've been down to London loads of times and I know what you mean about the standard of some riders mostly couriers riders but also cyclists seem to have a death wish also I think some of them are more dangerous than bikers :Shocked:
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Just a heads up for those living in Australia.....
As of the beginning of this month Queensland introduced their own version of lane filtering...naturally with slightly different rules to NSW... :lol: :head_butt:
A 2 year trial (also with, yet again slightly different rules) has also commenced in the Australian Capital Territory....so we now have 3 States in Oz where it is specifically legal to lane filter.... :goodjob2:
So, to all members, (whether you agree with the practice or not) please, please be on the lookout.....
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If it's legal in Canberra where Tony Abbott is in charge, I think it's a great idea.
But if it's made legal in Queensland where they have a new Labor government, it's a stupid idea.
Unless, of course, it was introduced by the outgoing Liberal government in which case it's a fantastic idea.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Welcome back, Rusty. ;)
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Thanks Dave....and yes it's a fantastic idea, introduced by your old mates before they got the flick... :happydance:
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:mrgreen: :happydance:
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It's been allowed here in the Netherlands for like forever. There are restrictions, you can only drive between lane 1 and 2 or 2 and 3, and speed should be no more than 20kph. As soon as the traffic starts rolling again you should move back into the lane.
Interesting fact..... if a motorist opens his door and you hit it, he's to blame (he should have looked).
The only problems here are German and Belgian (and ONLY them) tourists who generally cut you up if they see you coming, but a hefty boot and a tweak of of the gas usually solves that.
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I woulda thought this was plain old common sense Rusty.... happens all the time here as Lester says :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
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It's been allowed here in the Netherlands for like forever. There are restrictions, you can only drive between lane 1 and 2 or 2 and 3, and speed should be no more than 20kph. As soon as the traffic starts rolling again you should move back into the lane.
Here in the UK lane filtering on motorways is always between the outer two lines and usually so on other three lane roads.
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I woulda thought this was plain old common sense Rusty.... happens all the time here as Lester says :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
Welcome back..
Where have you been?
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I woulda thought this was plain old common sense Rusty.... happens all the time here as Lester says :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
Welcome back..
Where have you been?
And where is your note! :TutTut:
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You guys talking to me or asa? :undecided:
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You guys talking to me or asa? :undecided:
Asa, he has made only one post this month! :whistler: