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OFF TOPIC => WORLD NEWS => Motoring => Topic started by: rustynutz on March 17, 2014, 02:57:31
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A CYCLIST has been hit from behind by a driver in a sickening crash caught on camera.
The incident happened last Friday afternoon at Mt Gravatt.
It was caught by another motorist’s dashboard camera and shows a white Audi hatchback ploughing into the male rider just after he pulls away from an intersection at the Main Road on-ramp when the traffic light turns green.
The car appears to follow him for several metres before accelerating and running him down.
The driver who filmed the event said the cyclist’s helmet broke on impact, but he appeared to be “ok”.
“Anyone familiar with the area will recognise that set of traffic lights as being a bit of a mad scramble as people dive into the temporary lane to get in front of the queue,” the Reddit poster said about the section of road.
“I took off gently… fully expecting to be cut off as usual, so you can imagine my surprise when they chose to ram the bike instead.”
Bicycle Queensland CEO Ben Wilson said the incident was “one of the worst things” he had seen in a long time.
“It just looked to me like there was a total lack of awareness on the driver’s behalf,” he said.
“This trend we’re seeing in lack of bike safety is coming from a concentration lapse from drivers when they’re sharing the road.
“A lot of it is because of the growing amount of distractions – like mobile phones – that are in cars now.”
Queensland Ambulance confirmed paramedics attended the incident at 4.50pm to treat a male in his “early 40s” for cuts and abrasions and took him to QE II Hospital in a stable condition.
A Queensland Police spokeswoman said police attended the hospital to interview the victim for details.
No charges have been laid on the female driver of the car, but investigations are continuing.
Source: Caught on camera: The moment when a car hits cyclist from behind | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/caught-on-camera-the-moment-when-a-car-hits-cyclist-from-behind/story-fnii5v6w-1226856818437)
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:Ouch: :fum:
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Alarming :eek:
Tried to find the youtube vid (original won't play for me here) but no luck so far.
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I hope the only damage is to the bike.
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I hope the only damage is to the bike.
The helmet took a bit of a hit.
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I hope the only damage is to the bike.
The helmet took a bit of a hit.
I, i wear a helmet but as it is made if some sort of compressed foam stuff i only expect it to be good in a slight fall.
Anything heavier, like being shoved off by a vehicle, it will only serve to prevent the grey matter being splattered and make the clean up easier.
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Alarming :eek:
Tried to find the youtube vid (original won't play for me here) but no luck so far.
You and me both, Steve... :(
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Apparently very lucky. Only a pretty bad cut to the knee.
Vid was on the news here.
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Try this
Dashboard camera captures cyclist's crash (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/dashboard-camera-captures-cyclists-crash-20140317-34x4s.html)
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Looking at it now, I reckon the car driver was paying attention to her rear view mirrors in preparation for merging, seen a gap and accelerated, forgetting where the cyclist was.
Not making excuses, but I think it was careless driving, not a deliberate act.
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Try this
Vid won't play for me just yet - will check when I get home :)
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Put my flame proof gear on before I say this: the Surferdude's probably spot on as to what happened, but looking at the big picture, the cyclist was asking for trouble using that road that merges shortly after the accident location with the line from the left where cars are doing at least 60 by the looks of the last few seconds of that video. He would have had then cross that line too to get to left side.
I for one would not risk the second merge if I was on a pushie...
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:wtf: even though it looked like a dangerous place for a cyclist to be,but he did have the right to be there,I have watched this video over and over,that was just blatant neglect,have to disagree with Phil,she had absolutely no intention of merging,the car when she sped up,didn't even move towards the gap on the right,she just went straight over the cyclist and with that clear evidence,why the hell didn't she get charged just on that.
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Just watched the vid. Total neglect. Bring back hanging.
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Now that I've have seen the vid it's a wonder the car did not run over him!
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One wonders why governments spend money on building bike paths to keep cyclists off dangerous roads, if the cyclist is just going to ride on the dangerous road anyway.
There is an excellent bike path in the area, linking to a path that runs alongside the M1.
Not taking anything away from the stupidity of the driver, but still
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I have a great deal of respect for cyclists, however, much like underpowered mopeds/Isuzu trucks, I believe that if a vehicle/driver/rider is incapable of doing the posted speed limit, it shouldn't be allowed on the road, as the vehicle then becomes a slow moving hazard which at the very least stops the flow of traffic, and at the very worst become involved in an incident.
Cyclists, at least when they're on the road, are a hazard to all motorised vehicles. Especially in cities that are not bike friendly. And Brisbane is NOT bike friendly.
I agree with beerman - knowing that particular road like I do, one has to ask why you would put yourself in such a vulnerable position to start with.
The cyclist might have had every right to be on the road, but that doesn't stop ones self from applying some common sense.
I think the best thing for both cyclists and vehicles on the roads is for cycling outside bike lanes and the footpath to be made illegal. A somewhat controversial POV, but one based on seeing so many careless riders and careless drivers interacting with each other.
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have to disagree with Phil,
:wtf: What'd I do. :yoohoo:
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i don't use the roads when i cycle, but , does not matter, when you drive you have a responsibility & your in control of a lethal weapon . that driver should be locked up just like any other attempted murder.
they seem to have double standards? my Solicitor rides a pushy to work in Sydney. would be expensive to run him down
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i don't use the roads when i cycle, but , does not matter, when you drive you have a responsibility & your in control of a lethal weapon . that driver should be locked up just like any other attempted murder.
they seem to have double standards? my Solicitor rides a pushy to work in Sydney. would be expensive to run him down
But John, you're making an assumption it was done on purpose.
Read my post above. Like beerman and plasticphyte I know that road. Coming from those lights, you need to accelerate hard to a) merge and b) get up to 100 kph to join the traffic on the freeway. It's pretty obvious she was doing both without paying attention to the front of her.
Which makes her a careless and stupid driver but not an attempted murderer.
And, at the end of the day, I defy anyone on here to categorically state that they've never done anything supid behind the wheel of a car, inadvertantly or otherwise.
And in some of those instances, only blind luck has meant thare wasn't another road user in your way.
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And, at the end of the day, I defy anyone on here to categorically state that they've never done anything supid behind the wheel of a car, inadvertantly or otherwise.
And in some of those instances, only blind luck has meant thare wasn't another road user in your way.
Count me in. :( :disapp:
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i don't use the roads when i cycle, but , does not matter, when you drive you have a responsibility & your in control of a lethal weapon . that driver should be locked up just like any other attempted murder.
they seem to have double standards? my Solicitor rides a pushy to work in Sydney. would be expensive to run him down
But John, you're making an assumption it was done on purpose.
Read my post above. Like beerman and plasticphyte I know that road. Coming from those lights, you need to accelerate hard to a) merge and b) get up to 100 kph to join the traffic on the freeway. It's pretty obvious she was doing both without paying attention to the front of her.
Which makes her a careless and stupid driver but not an attempted murderer.
And, at the end of the day, I defy anyone on here to categorically state that they've never done anything supid behind the wheel of a car, inadvertantly or otherwise.
And in some of those instances, only blind luck has meant thare wasn't another road user in your way.
From memory not far ahead there is also a sign that in part prohibits cyclists on the freeway to which they are all about to join.....
Running down a lawyer is a community service which should be rewarded :evil: :whistler: :twisted:
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Cyclists, at least when they're on the road, are a hazard to all motorised vehicles.
Actually, motorised vehicles when they are on the road are a hazard to everything else on the road. With the exception of the freeways which have their own regulation, a shared carriageway is supposed to be just that. All users need to pay attention and be courteous to each other and abide by the rules.
And another thing, that cyclist is somewhere he shouldn't be if he has any regard for his safety. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just saying.
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Actually, motorised vehicles when they are on the road are a hazard to everything else on the road. With the exception of the freeways which have their own regulation, a shared carriageway is supposed to be just that. All users need to pay attention and be courteous to each other and abide by the rules.
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It's a shame more car drivers don't get that....
I still reckon all drivers need to spend 3 months riding a motorcycle or even a bicycle in traffic before they are allowed a car licence, maybe then they'd have a bit more empathy for our 2 wheeled road users.... :)
And another thing, that cyclist is somewhere he shouldn't be if he has any regard for his safety. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just saying.
You wouldn't venture out on any road if you had regard for your own safety, what with all the idiots out there.... :undecided:
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The cyclist isn't attempting to enter the freeway but is instead heading away from it. He or she is heading in an easterly direction on Klumpp Road. The cyclist is not on the freeway exit - the white ute is. The three lanes merge into two in just a few minutes and perhaps as Surferdude says, the Audi driver may have been concentrating on the merge.
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Good point snookes.
Here's the intersection.
Cyclist may have been coming from the uni.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/TrevG27/Hyundai%20i30%20Pics/View_zpsf5c31283.jpg) (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/TrevG27/media/Hyundai%20i30%20Pics/View_zpsf5c31283.jpg.html)
So, accelerating to 60 not 100 as I said, however, it's still 3 into one in a very short distance.
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I still reckon all drivers need to spend 3 months riding a motorcycle or even a bicycle in traffic before they are allowed a car licence, maybe then they'd have a bit more empathy for our 2 wheeled road users.... :)
Agree.
Since being back on my bike i now leave more room when passing cyclists.......
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And then there was this one in Victoria.... :undecided:
Taxi passengers abuse cyclist after ‘dooring’ crash in Melbourne CBD
Car door jams Melbourne cyclist - video - YouTube (http://youtu.be/pPVUy7xbU5Q)
A CYCLIST has been abused by a group of men who opened a taxi door in her path on Collins St, causing her to crash.
The incident was caught by a camera mounted on her handlebars.
Footage shows her riding past several cars before the taxi door is flung open and she crashes heavily into it and falls to the ground.
Cycling advocates say the action clearly amounted to an offence, known as “dooring”.
But Victoria Police spokesman Belinda Batty told the Herald Sun it was unclear if the incident had been reported to police.
In the video, the woman immediately asks the three men who alight from the cab for their details, telling them “I’ve got it all on camera”.
One man apologises, but another says her riding was “dangerous”. All refuse to give their names.
“Do you know what you just did? You just doored me. That’s an offence,” the cyclist said.
She pursues them along Collins St towards Swanston St, and they begin to abuse her.
“You ride up the inside of a car that’s stopped at the lights — you are a fool,” one man said.
That was followed by: “The way people like you ride around is disgusting.”
Victorian Greens leader Greg Barber urged police to investigate.
“The really distressing part is that those men are arguing with the cyclist, saying she is in the wrong, when they are at fault,” Mr Barber said.
Victoria’s road rules state that it is an offence, punishable by a fine of more than $350, to cause a hazard to a person or vehicle by opening a car door.
Mr Barber said the State Government should consider his plan to introduce demerit points for “dooring”.
Source: Taxi passengers abuse cyclist after ‘dooring’ crash in Melbourne CBD (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/taxi-passengers-abuse-cyclist-after-dooring-crash-in-melbourne-cbd/story-fnii5sms-1226858494337)
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Riding up the inside is a no no as shown here doors can be opened to let people out.
Now if it was on the offside then yes i would say an offence has been committed as the person opening the door shoukd make sure it us safe to do so.
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It's not a no no here, Lester....as is mentioned in the story. :wink:
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It's still stupid behaviour on the part of the cyclist.
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I can't see how those disembarking passengers had a chance of spotting her.
They've no mirrors and wouldn't expect a 'vehicle' to be undertaking at that speed between the pavement and their car.
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Quite right, Steve.
Incidentally, we're in the throes of introducing a law which requires drivers to maintain at least a one meter gap from cyclists, and more at higher speeds.
I'm in favour of it, but surely it should apply in reverse.
No way was this woman more than a meter from the car if she hit the door.
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It's not a no no here, Lester....as is mentioned in the story. :wink:
I should have said no no for me. It happens here also.
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I still reckon all drivers need to spend 3 months riding a motorcycle or even a bicycle in traffic before they are allowed a car licence, maybe then they'd have a bit more empathy for our 2 wheeled road users.... :)
I've been saying this for about forty years about car drivers, motorcyclist and police in regards to heavy vehicles,they don't even have to drive them just sit in a passenger seat for a fortnight and see what we have to deal with,everyone needs to slow down,be more aware of their surroundings and stay the F*#% off their mobile phones.
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While the girl was probably pushing her luck a bit by passing where she did, it was still legal. It is up to passengers to make sure the road is clear before opening doors.
While it's not a dedicated bike lane, the white line is supposedly to encourage car drivers to keep right, allowing bicycles to safely pass.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/CollinsStreet_zps31f01b99.jpg~original)
141 No overtaking etc. to the left of a vehicle
(1) A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not overtake a vehicle to the left of the vehicle unless—
(a) the driver is driving on a multi-lane road and the vehicle can be safely overtaken in a marked lane to the left of the vehicle; or
(b) the vehicle is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving a right change of direction signal; or
(c) the vehicle is stationary and it is safe to overtake to the left of the vehicle.
Penalty: 5 penalty units.
269 Opening doors and getting out of a vehicle etc.
(3) A person must not cause a hazard to any person or vehicle by opening a door of a vehicle, leaving a door of a vehicle open, or getting off, or out of, a vehicle.
Penalty: 10 penalty units.
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The woman and the cab,your just trying to get a rise out of me aren't you rusty,there was mention of the cab sitting at the lights,I've replayed this video over and over as well,for the life of me I couldn't see any lights,not within 100 metres anyhow(maybe I'm blind)if in fact the passengers had reached their destination,if I were the taxi driver I personally would have pulled right into the gutter,so no cyclists could have got up the inside of the car.
If in fact the three dudes just decided to fix the driver for their fare and get out and walk as they thought it would be faster,yes they should have looked a lot more carefully before opening the door as the taxi was still in the flow of traffic,I'm assuming the white line out from the gutter is a bike lane.
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Rick, I think you'll find there were cars in front of the taxi that were stopped at the lights.... :undecided:
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141 No overtaking etc. to the left of a vehicle
(1) A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not overtake a vehicle to the left of the vehicle unless—
(a) the driver is driving on a multi-lane road and the vehicle can be safely overtaken in a marked lane to the left of the vehicle; or
(b) the vehicle is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving a right change of direction signal; or
(c) the vehicle is stationary and it is safe to overtake to the left of the vehicle.
Penalty: 5 penalty units.
Getting off topic here,just a note on the first one,it has become and increasing trend over here at least,motor cyclists,passing on the inside of lines of traffic on dual roads,after seeing the second video,dangerous practice
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Is it OK in Australia to overtake vehicles on the inside?
I recall a case in the UK some time back when a car pulled into the kerb to let a passenger out who opened her door and a cyclist speeding along the footpath ran into her.
The cyclist was fined and had to pay damages to the passenger.
However - there was not a cycling lane in that incident.
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Actually, motorised vehicles when they are on the road are a hazard to everything else on the road. With the exception of the freeways which have their own regulation, a shared carriageway is supposed to be just that. All users need to pay attention and be courteous to each other and abide by the rules.
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Certainly don't disagree with the overall statement being made there, my experiences however, as both a cyclist and a motorised vehicle operator are that cyclists should not be anywhere near a road except to cross it to get to the other side, on foot.
Is it OK in Australia to overtake vehicles on the inside?
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Depends entirely on the situation and the state law. If a vehicle is turning left/right, then absolutely not.
IIRC, it is perfect fine to undertake traffic on a freeway/motorway in QLD, same for when you're driving on roads with 2+ lanes (both of which are travelling in the same direction).
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Depends entirely on the situation and the state law. If a vehicle is turning left/right, then absolutely not.
Just need to correct this, if a vehicle is turning left, then absolutely not, otherwise it is perfectly legal to undertake on the inside of a vehicle turning right. (see rule 141(b) above)
IIRC, it is perfect fine to undertake traffic on a freeway/motorway in QLD, same for when you're driving on roads with 2+ lanes (both of which are travelling in the same direction).
Cyclists are also able to undertake on the left on single lanes....
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There is literally a bees you know what between the cab and the gutter, you would have to go back to the speech when the law was introduced to see what the intention was behind the laws, but I doubt they were introduced to encourage reckless riding on behalf of cyclists and was intended for normal sets of lights or where there was sufficient room (looking at the footage, old mate would have been lucky not to take out the mirror or scrape the car).
The poor bloke opening the rear door of the car has no chance to see the cyclist, he doesn't have a mirror and would have to turn 180 degrees to see old mate. They would need to take care beyond that that is reasonably possible in the circumstances to avoid the cyclist and I think a Magistrate would agree.
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Cycling advocates blame taxi drivers for ‘dooring’ crashes in (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/cycling-advocates-blame-taxi-drivers-for-dooring-crashes-in-melbourne/story-fnii5sms-1226859194632)
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So I guess the solution is the taxi mounting the curb to ensure irresponsible bike riders simply can't get past on the left?
That was a stupid place to be passing a vehicle on the left there simply wasn't enough room, before you take into account in the CBD of Melbourne there is a chance that a passenger could decide to get out and walk.
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Quite right, Steve.
Incidentally, we're in the throes of introducing a law which requires drivers to maintain at least a one meter gap from cyclists, and more at higher speeds.
I'm in favour of it, but surely it should apply in reverse.
No way was this woman more than a meter from the car if she hit the door.
Can you ride a bike in reverse? :undecided:
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This further adds weight to my argument....
The City of Melbourne said there was no dedicated bike lane on the part of Collins St where the crash occurred, only line marking to encourage drivers to stay to the right of cyclists
how can a stationary car stay right?
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Beerman, whether it's a full blown bicycle lane or no lane at all, the passengers are still obliged to make sure all's clear before opening the doors.
how can a stationary car stay right?
Stay right of the lane BEFORE becoming stationary, it's not rocket science... :lol:
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Do you find more cyclists are riding on the pavement rather than the road due to volume of traffic?
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Beerman, whether it's a full blown bicycle lane or no lane at all, the passengers are still obliged to make sure all's clear before opening the doors.
how can a stationary car stay right?
Stay right of the lane BEFORE becoming stationary, it's not rocket science... :lol:
By that argument, the Taxi had pulled over..... because it had moved to the left....:cool:
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This discussion really is pointless, the cyclist was legally passing on the left, the passenger opened the door without first checking it was safe to open.
The passenger is in the wrong, end of story... :)
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Battle for our roads as cycling groups demand demerit point penalties for (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/battle-for-our-roads-as-cycling-groups-demand-demerit-point-penalties-for-motorists-and-drivers-say-pedal-power-is-out-of-control/story-fnii5sms-1226859591210)
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Worth checking out the following link as it shows a fair bit more of the "doored" cyclists video.... :)
Man comes forward to police over CBD car-dooring (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-comes-forward-to-police-over-cbd-cardooring-20140319-35146.html)
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Car-dooring reveals confusion over bike lanes (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cardooring-reveals-confusion-over-bike-lanes-20140319-3522t.html)
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Yes was also reported Car Dooring Laws WOULD NOT be introduced anywhere else in Australia,they did have the cyclist on as well and as she said she could have been more careful,they were also showing more scenes from today same area,anyone that rides a bike there is a Moron,it's just a Death waiting to happen.
While I was watching the report as they were filming today,in that little bike lane there where at least four cyclists I could see trying to pass each other between the gutter and the cars,it just looked like bedlam.
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Yes was also reported Car Dooring Laws WOULD NOT be introduced anywhere else in Australia
What law is that, Rick?
It's already an offence to open your door when it is unsafe to do so in all States, I believe..... :undecided:
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If that skinny little lane is meant to be a bike lane that is crazy. :fum: I would be very worried about bikes scratching my car or worse still knocking someone off their bike.
I wouldn't have expected a bike to appear on that side (I will have to be really careful in Melbourne next month!)
It was an unfortunate occurrence, but if that was breaking the law! :disapp:
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Here bike lanes have a symbol of a bike etched on the ground within the lines.
No symbol no bike lane!
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I would be very worried about bikes scratching my car or worse still knocking someone off their bike.
Good incentive to keep well clear and over to the right of the lane when driving up that street.... :whistler:
I wouldn't have expected a bike to appear on that side (I will have to be really careful in Melbourne next month!)
Not just in Melbourne, Daz...The same rule also applies in Tassie.... :winker:
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Made uk news yesterday
Cyclist?s lucky escape caught on camera - video - BT (http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motoring/motoringnews/cyclists-lucky-escape-caught-on-camera-video-11363885215380)