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OFF TOPIC => WORLD NEWS => General => Topic started by: eye30 on April 09, 2014, 17:07:11
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Cyclists who ignore red lights, sail down one-way streets the wrong way and ride on pavements have been framed and shamed by another rider.
A YouTube user who calls himself Careful Cyclist has put together footage of cyclists behaving badly.
The incidents were captured by a helmet camera in York and uploaded to the video sharing site with the title ‘York Cyclists: Episode One’.
Cyclists? bad behaviour caught on camera ? video - BT (http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motoring/motoringnews/cyclists-bad-behaviour-caught-on-camera-video-11363891666224)
Watch all as you need to see what happens at 2:30
Give us good and considerate cyclists a bad name
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I thought the whole film was most entertaining :lol: though the recording cyclist was a bit of a "jobsworth" at times.
Watch all as you need to see what happens at 2:30
:rofl: karma
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:Agoodpost: :whsaid:
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. Being immune from accountability brings out the worst in humans unfortunately.
I can see from the width of the footpaths why the UK doesn't designate all footpaths as "shared pathways: as we do in Queensland.
And, is there no regulation requiring helmets to be worn?
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
Not something that would be practical though as fitting a number plate would be difficult and in turn would most likely create a safety issue just as they did with front number plates on motorcycles.
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
Not something that would be practical though as fitting a number plate would be difficult and in turn would most likely create a safety issue just as they did with front number plates on motorcycles.
Simple - round - plastic. They can fit baby/ child seats behind the rider. Or surfboard carry racks alongside. Or saddle bags both sides. Don't tell me a decent sized number couldn't be fitted.
with similar application of technology.
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Where do you propose to mount them? :undecided:
Most bikes don't have mud guards and so any number plate would probably have to be fitted around the seat area, which would then most likely interfere with mounting and dismounting at the very least... :undecided:
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With all the other things people attach to their bikes, there would be a spot. And if not, then have an id card that ya keep in your wallet or waist pack and if you get pulled over then you have to produce it. And fines if you are caught riding without. And as for how expensive rego for vehicles are. Come up with something affordable like $50-100 a year. It would cover liability on both ends....... Bikes have too much free will with hardly any consequences. It would decrease the amount of stupid stuff that some of the bikers do and probably make vehicle drivers a little more tolerant. I would be a lot more tolerant if I knew they had CTP and they have paid, which definitely gives them right to use the road.
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Of course they could mount them. As I said, don't tell me that kid's seats, saddle bags and such don't require substantial and secure fitting.
As long as they can get away unidentified, they'll keep abusing the system.
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Of course they could mount them. As I said, don't tell me that kid's seats, saddle bags and such don't require substantial and secure fitting.
As long as they can get away unidentified, they'll keep abusing the system.
attach it to the spokes like the reflectors
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How could you possibly read it while they were moving? :whistler:
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
Of course they could mount them. As I said, don't tell me that kid's seats, saddle bags and such don't require substantial and secure fitting.
As long as they can get away unidentified, they'll keep abusing the system.
Because registration on cars and motorcycles stops people doing stupid things (sorry, that is sarcasm). I have on numerous occasions spotted car drivers, truck drivers, cyclists and motor cyclist doing stupid things, rego doesn't stop this. Look at speeding, mobile phone use, not using seat belts, driving unregistered, driving uninsured. Idiots will be idiots, regardless of their method of transport.
I don't have a place on my bike for something that can be seen from a distance without causing danger to either myself or other road users. And mine isn't a "go fast road bike", it is a bike.
If I do have to pay for registration for my bicycle, then I will take up the whole lane (after all, I have now paid for it). All of your registration costs will increase as you will have to pay for the third party insurance of cyclists as well.
Are we going to get registration for pedestrians as well? After all, they cross the road, and they do it against the red light, yet I see no complaints here about that!! How old do my sons have to be before they pay registration for their bikes?
At the moment, cyclists can be fined for disobeying road rules, just as motor transport drivers can. Just enforce the rules, don't add an extra cost to the transport just because you believe it will stop people doing the wrong thing.
My two cents. Now preparing for incoming fire.
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Oh well, let's just drop registration on anything using the roads. :disapp:
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Good to see someone "gets it", Jamie.... :goodjob: :victory:
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All of your registration costs will increase as you will have to pay for the third party insurance of cyclists as well.
Already happens in Victoria.... :)
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Oh well, let's just drop registration on anything using the roads. :disapp:
That is not what I was saying. I was responding to TheReaper's comments that registration would stop bad behaviour, it wouldn't. Studies have also shown that registering bicycles would cost more than it would benefit, both in economic and social costs.
While not a study, an interesting article.
Is there a case for registering bicycles? | The Urbanist (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/06/11/is-it-time-bicycles-were-registered/)
And this one:
Cycling registration (http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/fitness/blogs/on-your-bike/why-cyclists-should-never-pay-rego-20120614-20bk6.html)
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Oh well, let's just drop registration on anything using the roads. :disapp:
That is not what I was saying. I was responding to TheReaper's comments that registration would stop bad behaviour, it wouldn't. Studies have also shown that registering bicycles would cost more than it would benefit, both in economic and social costs.
While not a study, an interesting article.
Is there a case for registering bicycles? | The Urbanist (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/06/11/is-it-time-bicycles-were-registered/)
And this one:
Cycling registration (http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/fitness/blogs/on-your-bike/why-cyclists-should-never-pay-rego-20120614-20bk6.html)
No laws stop bad behaviour. But they do make it easier to identify and prosecute those who act in an irresponsible manner. And the cost argument doesn't hold water with me because otherwise, we'd probably make a case as I said above, for not having any laws.
Unfortunately, humans being what they are, an unrestricted society would be pretty disastrous.
I don't like seeing more or more restrictive laws than anybody else. But the majority need protection from the minority, else anarchy is a very real possibility.
And vigilantism.
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Wait … if boats have to pay registration, isn't it about time surfers paid too? And displayed registration, so we can film and fine them if they stray into swimming zones?
Hehehe, I can just picture Trev with his surfboard and a dirty great big number plate mounted on the back... :rofl:
But it's ok cos' it will be made of plastic so won't cut anyone in a spill.....oh wait, aren't surfboard fins made of plastic? :winker:
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From my second article:
The second theory regards registration plates being used for law enforcement: “I could report the number of a cyclist breaking the road rules, and they'd get a fine.”
This idea fails in so many areas it's hard to know where to start. Have you ever noted the number of a car that breaks the law, and phoned it in to the police? They will sigh and tell you there's nothing they can do.
If visible registration plates prevent traffic violations, then surely we should never see car drivers speeding, tailgating or texting while driving? Besides, cyclists who cause accidents are likely to do the most damage to themselves; in a car crash, the culpable driver has a good chance of escaping unharmed. Is a massive, costly logistical exercise, registering the 1 million bicycles sold in Australia every year, really worth it to maybe catch a few cyclists who treat red lights as give way signs?
When I was cycling to and from work in Melbourne, I utilised both bike paths (sometimes dual use) and roads. I used to wear "sports gear" when cycling, nobody wants to see me in lycra. I stopped at a red light on the cycle path, behind me was a lycra clad cyclist on a "go fast" bike and a commuter on a traditional bike with flowery basket (it was a female wearing a skirt). Guess which one went through the red light? The bloke in lycra looked at me and said, "That gives the rest of us a bad name." He caught up with her on the next block and gave her a serve as he rode past.
If we did register bikes, we would be the only country "on earth" to register them. We would not only be the laughing stock of the world, but bicycle usage would drop dramatically.
Are we proposing registering bikes or riders? If it is the same as cars and motorbikes, then it would be the bikes that are registered. What happens if I ride somebody else's bike and break a road rule. If the police catch me, then I pay the fine. If somebody "dobs me in", then does the owner of the bike get a fine when they didn't commit the crime? Surely it is up to the accuser to prove it was me on the bike. That is why the "reporting a violation" won't work, it doesn't in cars and trucks now, why would it on bikes?
So Trev, where will we put the rego plates on our surfboards?
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Wait … if boats have to pay registration, isn't it about time surfers paid too? And displayed registration, so we can film and fine them if they stray into swimming zones?
Hehehe, I can just picture Trev with his surfboard and a dirty great big number plate mounted on the back... :rofl:
But it's ok cos' it will be made of plastic so won't cut anyone in a spill.....oh wait, aren't surfboard fins made of plastic? :winker:
Well, not a problem, except any offending surfer has to come back to shore VIA the patrolling lifesavers and THEY ARE intercepted.
Oh. And surfboards, unlike pushbikes, don't already boast all sorts of projections. Some listed above, but just in case you missed.
Rear carry rack.
Saddle bags (on solid frames).
Childs' seats.
In some cases a towing assembly for a separate trailer.
But none of them could hurt anyone. :wink:
And science is a wonderful thing. :rolleyes:
It has created hard plastic and SOFT plastic.
I'll leave the issue of younger children possibly needing to have to register their bikes as Jamie has raised, except to say, AFAIK there is already a rule in place which allows children under a certain age to ride on footpaths. So, if that can be tolerated, then non registration of a bike for under the same age shouldn't present a problem.
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From my second article:
The second theory regards registration plates being used for law enforcement: “I could report the number of a cyclist breaking the road rules, and they'd get a fine.”
This idea fails in so many areas it's hard to know where to start. Have you ever noted the number of a car that breaks the law, and phoned it in to the police? They will sigh and tell you there's nothing they can do.
If visible registration plates prevent traffic violations, then surely we should never see car drivers speeding, tailgating or texting while driving? Besides, cyclists who cause accidents are likely to do the most damage to themselves; in a car crash, the culpable driver has a good chance of escaping unharmed. Is a massive, costly logistical exercise, registering the 1 million bicycles sold in Australia every year, really worth it to maybe catch a few cyclists who treat red lights as give way signs?
When I was cycling to and from work in Melbourne, I utilised both bike paths (sometimes dual use) and roads. I used to wear "sports gear" when cycling, nobody wants to see me in lycra. I stopped at a red light on the cycle path, behind me was a lycra clad cyclist on a "go fast" bike and a commuter on a traditional bike with flowery basket (it was a female wearing a skirt). Guess which one went through the red light? The bloke in lycra looked at me and said, "That gives the rest of us a bad name." He caught up with her on the next block and gave her a serve as he rode past.
If we did register bikes, we would be the only country "on earth" to register them. We would not only be the laughing stock of the world, but bicycle usage would drop dramatically.
Are we proposing registering bikes or riders? If it is the same as cars and motorbikes, then it would be the bikes that are registered. What happens if I ride somebody else's bike and break a road rule. If the police catch me, then I pay the fine. If somebody "dobs me in", then does the owner of the bike get a fine when they didn't commit the crime? Surely it is up to the accuser to prove it was me on the bike. That is why the "reporting a violation" won't work, it doesn't in cars and trucks now, why would it on bikes?
So Trev, where will we put the rego plates on our surfboards?
Jamie, I'm not suggesting we "book" people on a dobber's say so. I'm suggesting some form of identification on a pushbike will allow prosecution in the event of photo or video evidence of an offence - just like with cars. It's not just red lights. It's any road offence.
And as for surfboard registration - see above.
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Anyway, see you later guys.
I'm going for a ride on my unregistered bike.
Some new tracks opened up in the Pelican Waters Forest Reclamation Area. :goodjob:
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Anyway, see you later guys.
I'm going for a ride on my unregistered bike.
Don't forget to check out any likely spots to mount a number plate... :lol:
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Ok ok, shouldn't have written that comment in a hurry..... so yeah, it won't stop everyone from breaking the law. But like surfer dude says it may make them think. And if they do get caught, guess what you get punished. Must stupid behaviour goes without being punished. But at least there is something in place for that time when ya do get caught. And as for not being to able to see the rego because of riding the bike. Same concept applies to when cars had rego stickers. Can you actually see the writing on the sticker as the car drives by? You know what colour it is, but you can't read the writing.......... It comes down to everyone needs to be held accountable. If you dart out in front of my car because you decide to run a red light, then you need to fix my car, pay for a rental, etc. Just like two cars that get involved in a wreck. There is nothing really in place for that with cyclist.
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Anyway, see you later guys.
I'm going for a ride on my unregistered bike.
Don't forget to check out any likely spots to mount a number plate... :lol:
Glad you mentioned that.
I have (and am required to have I believe), a rear reflector. Guess what it's made out of. Only realy needs to be double the size to show a rego number.
Problem solved. :goodjob2:
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I saw an i30 driver today talking on a mobile phone and go through a roundabout without indicating. Therefore all i30 drivers are idiots and need to be punished. He had a number plate on, yet still did illegal things.
If a cyclist is caught running a red light, then they are fined. Bicycles don't have enough metal in them to trip the red light camera, so putting number plates on them won't catch them. If a policeman/woman stops a cyclist and asks for identification, then the cyclist is required to provide the identification.
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An ID sticker on the front & rear of the helmet, should work. :idea:
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An ID sticker on the front & rear of the helmet, should work. :idea:
What happens if I use somebody else's helmet? Cars and motorcycles aren't required to identify the drivers, so why should bicycles? What will it achieve? I've already stated that "identifying" a vehicle won't stop the operator from using the vehicle illegally.
At the moment, bicycle riders are not required to have registration, nor a licence. Until that changes (which the governments don't want to do because it will cost too much and it won't be effective) ALL motorists will have to learn to share the road. Remember, your 1000kg vehicle will do a hell of a lot of damage to a 5kg bicycle. I am aware that I will come of second best if I have a crash (which I already have, thanks Mr Courier Man who didn't stop at a stop sign), so I ride accordingly.
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On the subject of a bicycle rider not holding steady at a red traffic light, a large proportion of the traffic signals I encounter daily are controlled by inductor loops.
I can therefore understand why some cyclists would 'run' a red light if they knew it wouldn't change to their benefit when they approached it.
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An ID sticker on the front & rear of the helmet, should work. :idea:
What happens if I use somebody else's helmet? Cars and motorcycles aren't required to identify the drivers, so why should bicycles? What will it achieve? I've already stated that "identifying" a vehicle won't stop the operator from using the vehicle illegally.
Same as if you use someone else's car. If you're photographed committing an offence, the registered owner has to provide a stat dec as to who the user was.
I, too have been the victim as a result of a car driver's stupidity. But there's no doubt a lot of cyclists regardless of the risks, abuse the system and flaunt the rules.
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On the subject of a bicycle rider not holding steady at a red traffic light, a large proportion of the traffic signals I encounter daily are controlled by inductor loops.
I can therefore understand why some cyclists would 'run' a red light if they knew it wouldn't change to their benefit when they approached it.
I can understand that too.
Fortunately in Oz, most traffic light controlled intersections run on a rotational sytem except at night when the sensors come into play.
Most of the instances I've seen of cyclists running a red light is where there is already traffic stopped at the light and they lane split to the front then just ride through.
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An ID sticker on the front & rear of the helmet, should work. :idea:
What happens if I use somebody else's helmet?
You'd run the risk of head lice. You don't share toothbrushes, do you. :eek:
I am not entering into the licensing debate, so no need to justify your position to me. I was just offering an id suggestion.
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So now we have gone from registering bicycles to registering helmets. WTF?
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And as for not being to able to see the rego because of riding the bike. Same concept applies to when cars had rego stickers. Can you actually see the writing on the sticker as the car drives by? You know what colour it is, but you can't read the writing..........
I thought we were talking number plates? :undecided:
Most States in Oz have done away with rego labels....
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Easy peasy.
Etch id into frame when bike is built.
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That's not much good for those wanting to report riders for behaving badly, also traffic light cameras might struggle to see the etching, Lester... :whistler:
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I saw an i30 driver today talking on a mobile phone and go through a roundabout without indicating. Therefore all i30 drivers are idiots and need to be punished. He had a number plate on, yet still did illegal things.
If a cyclist is caught running a red light, then they are fined. Bicycles don't have enough metal in them to trip the red light camera, so putting number plates on them won't catch them. If a policeman/woman stops a cyclist and asks for identification, then the cyclist is required to provide the identification.
I didnt say that all bicycle riders should be punished, a rego is a bit of accountability, so the comment of all i30 drivers should be punished is invalid......
But my question to the pro- cyclist on this dicussion is.....
so what you are saying is, if you are in the wrong and cause an accident or are in an accident, that you shouldn't be held accountable???
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I saw an i30 driver today talking on a mobile phone and go through a roundabout without indicating. Therefore all i30 drivers are idiots and need to be punished. He had a number plate on, yet still did illegal things.
If a cyclist is caught running a red light, then they are fined. Bicycles don't have enough metal in them to trip the red light camera, so putting number plates on them won't catch them. If a policeman/woman stops a cyclist and asks for identification, then the cyclist is required to provide the identification.
I didnt say that all bicycle riders should be punished, a rego is a bit of accountability, so the comment of all i30 drivers should be punished is invalid......
But my question to the pro- cyclist on this dicussion is.....
so what you are saying is, if you are in the wrong and cause an accident or are in an accident, that you shouldn't be held accountable???
That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that having registration plates will not stop bad behaviour, nor increase accountability. Cyclists are accountable for their actions on their bicycles, as are car drivers, truck drivers, pedestrians, motor cyclists, etc.
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But car drivers can be identified and caught up with later. Surely that's the difference?
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Ok. Think we come to a better understanding. I just want some sort of thing that identifies them. Doesn't mean that you may see it in time before they pedal away. Just like a hit and run with cars, might not get a rego plate before they speed off. But as it stands, there is nothing at all we can even try to get if something does happen as of now. And I doagree it is not going to curb stupidity. As I always said as a medic, "you can't fix stupid". Even though duct tape would quite it! :lol: But it would slow it down slightly, and it would give you some sort of possibility of tracking them down.
But anyways, you guys are like second family to me. Good for advice, laugh, and a shoulder. Enough with this thread I think, we are here because of our cars, not pushy's.
And Ive wanted to use this banner and I say we :TopicClosed: :wink: :lol:
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Interesting footage. Loved the macho man dropping his jacket in the front wheel with the accompanying somersault with face plant. :judges:
The whole rego/id thing is a nonsense as you have all probably realised by now. It won't modify bad behaviour in the slightest and there's no way to enforce it effectively. Its always the first thing wheeled out (did ya see what I did there) ... no idea why. And if lets say you could id a cyclist somehow, what then? The police have way better things to do than chase idiots on bikes whether you can identify them or not.
The real question is how to modify bad behaviour on the road? Fines obviously don't work or people wouldn't speed - for example. :whistler:
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The real question is how to modify bad behaviour on the road? Fines obviously don't work or people wouldn't speed - for example. :whistler:
Now that's an interesting observation, AK.
Or, we could say, "Fines obviously work or there's be a lot more drivers speeding and more often".
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I suspect it's more the demerit points that work.... :undecided:
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That's not much good for those wanting to report riders for behaving badly, also traffic light cameras might struggle to see the etching, Lester... :whistler:
Ahhhh
BUT...........
If you are under the bike because it has run over you, you have a birds eye view of the id
:lol:
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And Ive wanted to use this banner and I say we :TopicClosed: :wink: :lol:
Why is it people always want topics closed when they've had their say? :undecided:
Personally I'd rather they were left open so any latecomers can also put in their 2 cents worth....
If no one wants to add anything, the topic will die off naturally....
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Ughh... nevermind..... :rolleyes: Figured this topic was going no where.... no one will agree. No point bickering about it. But anyways I'm not going to debate on the issue anymore :neutral:
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And Ive wanted to use this banner and I say we :TopicClosed: :wink: :lol:
Why is it people always want topics closed when they've had their say? :undecided:
Personally I'd rather they were left open so any latecomers can also put in their 2 cents worth....
If no one wants to add anything, the topic will die off naturally....
It's eye30's call, actually.
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I've had my mind changed on a few topics because of information that I had not been aware of being made available to me through robust discussion. Like this topic, I used to be for registering bikes, even when I was riding. Capital punishment is another.
Now there is a can of worms.
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
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Its always the first thing wheeled out (did ya see what I did there) ... no idea why.
The way I see it, much of it stems from jealousy....
Car drivers particularly hate to think other users are getting something they aren't.....
We see it with the lack of rego for bicycles, we also see it with bicycles & motorcycles having the ability to lane split/filter. How many times have we had someone say they should wait in line like everyone else?
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
Not true. The reason I oppose it is that it will cost (user and taxpayer) a lot with no benefit.
Caught by whom? What bad hit and run stories are there about cyclists? Yet bicycle sales outnumber car sales in Australia. Who do the police need to catch? Who will report them? Will the police care?
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
hmm... lol
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The real question is how to modify bad behaviour on the road? Fines obviously don't work or people wouldn't speed - for example. :whistler:
Now that's an interesting observation, AK.
Or, we could say, "Fines obviously work or there's be a lot more drivers speeding and more often".
Actually fines don't work as a deterrent. I'll get some papers together for your enjoyment.
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
There is no opposition. That's another fabrication.
There's no case for registration of bicycles | The Urbanist (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2012/02/06/should-bicycles-be-registered-2/)
http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/fitness/blogs/on-your-bike/why-cyclists-should-never-pay-rego-20120614-20bk6.html (http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/fitness/blogs/on-your-bike/why-cyclists-should-never-pay-rego-20120614-20bk6.html)
Here's a good line: If visible registration plates prevent traffic violations, then surely we should never see car drivers speeding, tailgating or texting while driving?
Just like fines don't prevent bad behavior, apparently nor does the ability to identify the vehicle. :evil:
Bicycle registration is not the answer for bad behaviour (http://theconversation.com/bicycle-registration-is-not-the-answer-for-bad-behaviour-4987)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/push-for-bicycle-registration-scheme-finds-powerful-backer-in-christine-forster-sister-to-pm-tony-abbott/story-fni0cx12-1226738618261 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/push-for-bicycle-registration-scheme-finds-powerful-backer-in-christine-forster-sister-to-pm-tony-abbott/story-fni0cx12-1226738618261)
Read the last bit.
20 Oct 1938 - REGISTRATION OF BICYCLES Mr. Abbott Outlines Bil... (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36585486) <<
In 1938 the South Australian government looked at it and found - wait for it - no value in doing so.
Bicycle Registration | Bicycle NSW (http://bicyclensw.org.au/advocacy/positions/legal/registration/)
And so on.
Registration of bicycles as a viable method of bringing peace and sanity to the roads - myth busted.
I'll get to the stuff about fines and why they don't work another time. Although since bicycles aren't going to be registered any time soon for good reasons, maybe its a non issue.
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I Got the answer,string em all up by either the nuts or the nipples until they drop off,that'll teach em,but only when they get caught
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Journalist articles are only biased. Funny how the article with tony abbotts sister was all pro cycle rego and why it should be in place. Except that last sentence, and wouldn't elaborate why it was ineffective. :whistler:
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Journalist articles are only biased. Funny how the article with tony abbotts sister was all pro cycle rego and why it should be in place. Except that last sentence, and wouldn't elaborate why it was ineffective. :whistler:
Read it again. It's pro insurance, a totally different beast.
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:snigger:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Bicycle-Registration_zpscdbd0153.jpg~original)
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I've got a couple of number plates that I have picked up off the road. Perhaps I should stick one on my bicycle.
Like others have said, the cost to the taxpayer of having bicycles registered would far exceed any revenue. Most cyclists have cars that are registered, so it's not like a cyclist is getting anything resembling a 'free ride'. Every cyclist is one less car on the road.
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:snigger:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/Bicycle-Registration_zpscdbd0153.jpg~original)
:rofl: :rofl:
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I've got a couple of number plates that I have picked up off the road. Perhaps I should stick one on my bicycle.
Like others have said, the cost to the taxpayer of having bicycles registered would far exceed any revenue. Most cyclists have cars that are registered, so it's not like a cyclist is getting anything resembling a 'free ride'. Every cyclist is one less car on the road.
and one more bike that slows down traffic because they can't do the speed limit
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
Not true. The reason I oppose it is that it will cost (user and taxpayer) a lot with no benefit.
Caught by whom? What bad hit and run stories are there about cyclists? Yet bicycle sales outnumber car sales in Australia. Who do the police need to catch? Who will report them? Will the police care?
So...... What we should all do is let cyclist do what they want and not give a crap? No reprecussions for bad behaviour? :disapp:
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
Not true. The reason I oppose it is that it will cost (user and taxpayer) a lot with no benefit.
Caught by whom? What bad hit and run stories are there about cyclists? Yet bicycle sales outnumber car sales in Australia. Who do the police need to catch? Who will report them? Will the police care?
So...... What we should all do is let cyclist do what they want and not give a crap? No reprecussions for bad behaviour? :disapp:
The answer is yes. Our taxes pay for people to take action when necessary but as has been pointed out its way down the list of priorities for them. If you have an issue with the legislation or the way its managed, take it up with your local MP. Its their job to represent your views and I am sure your local member would be only too pleased to hear them.
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
Not true. The reason I oppose it is that it will cost (user and taxpayer) a lot with no benefit.
Caught by whom? What bad hit and run stories are there about cyclists? Yet bicycle sales outnumber car sales in Australia. Who do the police need to catch? Who will report them? Will the police care?
So...... What we should all do is let cyclist do what they want and not give a crap? No reprecussions for bad behaviour? :disapp:
The answer is yes. Our taxes pay for people to take action when necessary but as has been pointed out its way down the list of priorities for them. If you have an issue with the legislation or the way its managed, take it up with your local MP. Its their job to represent your views and I am sure your local member would be only too pleased to hear them.
So no repercussions for bad behaviour? So we should just let murderers out and let them kill people, rapist out, so everyone's loved one can get raped. It's bad behaviour as well right? Shouldn't be held accountable then??
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How will somebody paying registration and having a number plate make them more accountable? People are already responsible for their actions, including cyclists.
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How will somebody paying registration and having a number plate make them more accountable? People are already responsible for their actions, including cyclists.
don't know if this going to post. In the car park waiting to pick up the misses, having some issues getting the forum on phone to work. Let me know and I will post back in a bit when I'm back home.
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My reason exactly on why cyclist need to have a rego. Maybe think twice before doing something stupid :neutral:
I agree. I bet the reason they oppose having a rego is because they know they will be caught.
Not true. The reason I oppose it is that it will cost (user and taxpayer) a lot with no benefit.
Caught by whom? What bad hit and run stories are there about cyclists? Yet bicycle sales outnumber car sales in Australia. Who do the police need to catch? Who will report them? Will the police care?
So...... What we should all do is let cyclist do what they want and not give a crap? No reprecussions for bad behaviour? :disapp:
The answer is yes. Our taxes pay for people to take action when necessary but as has been pointed out its way down the list of priorities for them. If you have an issue with the legislation or the way its managed, take it up with your local MP. Its their job to represent your views and I am sure your local member would be only too pleased to hear them.
So no repercussions for bad behaviour? So we should just let murderers out and let them kill people, rapist out, so everyone's loved one can get raped. It's bad behaviour as well right? Shouldn't be held accountable then??
Serious?? Read the post again.
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Oh bugger it I'm going to trade my bike in for a pair of in line skates, always fancied them anyway :lol:
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anyways, Im done posting on this topic. the pro cyclist and anti cyclist people on this forum are never going to agree. Im not going to get pulled in anymore on this topic, two days and all this topic makes me do is become feral. Each to their own......... :beer:
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anyways, Im done posting on this topic. the pro cyclist and anti cyclist people on this forum are never going to agree. Im not going to get pulled in anymore on this topic, two days and all this topic makes me do is become feral. Each to their own......... :beer:
No offence, but I think you have hit the nail on the head with that comment.
Anyhoos, I'm off to the pub (The Roey for those that know Broome), I'm having a "150 Lashes", what can I get you?
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anyways, Im done posting on this topic. the pro cyclist and anti cyclist people on this forum are never going to agree. Im not going to get pulled in anymore on this topic, two days and all this topic makes me do is become feral. Each to their own......... :beer:
No offence, but I think you have hit the nail on the head with that comment.
As a regular cyclist, I'm hardly what you could call anti cyclist.
But I AM anti "anti social bahaviour" It is prevalent wherever I've travelled in the world. And cyclists as a group (certainly not all cyclist dispalys, not even a majority of cyclists - but a significant number) regularly engage in both anti social and inconsiderate behaviour on the roads. In addition, many of the same clique display an arrogance and aggression way beyond what I consider acceptable. Obviously the guy who filmed the video at the start of this thread feels the same way.
My argument on some form of registration or identification is prompted by the need (IMHO) to do something about controlling this situation to some extent.
Pedestrians don't come into it. They were here first, so any other form of motion has a responsibility to avoid them.
I wonder how much all the cycleways and cycle lanes on our roads cost to build and maintain? And where the funds come from for that.
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anyways, Im done posting on this topic. the pro cyclist and anti cyclist people on this forum are never going to agree. Im not going to get pulled in anymore on this topic, two days and all this topic makes me do is become feral. Each to their own......... :beer:
No offence, but I think you have hit the nail on the head with that comment.
As a regular cyclist, I'm hardly what you could call anti cyclist.
But I AM anti "anti social bahaviour" It is prevalent wherever I've travelled in the world. And cyclists as a group (certainly not all cyclist dispalys, not even a majority of cyclists - but a significant number) regularly engage in both anti social and inconsiderate behaviour on the roads. In addition, many of the same clique display an arrogance and aggression way beyond what I consider acceptable. Obviously the guy who filmed the video at the start of this thread feels the same way.
My argument on some form of registration or identification is prompted by the need (IMHO) to do something about controlling this situation to some extent.
Pedestrians don't come into it. They were here first, so any other form of motion has a responsibility to avoid them.
I wonder how much all the cycleways and cycle lanes on our roads cost to build and maintain? And where the funds come from for that.
I couldn't agree more, Trev. But anti social behaviour is not limited to cyclist, surely? I think the guy recording the video has done a great thing, not only does he shame them but points out the error of their ways to them.
IMO, I don't believe that registration would work, and would in fact have unintended negative consequences (less people riding therefore clogging the roads with their car for one).
I agree with the pedestrian comment too, but by logical extension, bicycles came before cars and trucks, so they should avoid bicycles and give them right of way?
The funds for cycle path construction and maintenance comes from individual councils and shires, so rate payers pay for that infrastructure. Just like normal roads (I believe council workers still do road maintenance). Surely the cost of a bike path to support 100kg worth of bike and rider is cheaper than a road to support 65 tonne vehicles?