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Title: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 07, 2014, 10:29:50
Received this email from a colleague :-

Bought a lot of items (over £150) looked at the receipt and saw a cash-back of £40, told the Cashier that I hadn't requested a cash back & to delete it. She said I'd have to take the £40 because she couldn't delete it. I told her to call a Supervisor who came & said I'd have to take it.. I said NO! Taking the £40 would be a cash advance against my Credit card & I wasn't paying interest on a cash advance!. If they couldn't delete it then they would have to delete the whole order. So the Supervisor had the cashier delete the whole order & re-scan everything. The second time I looked at the electronic pad before I signed & a cash-back of £20 popped up. At that point I told the cashier & she deleted it. The total came out right. The cashier said that the Electronic Pad must be defective.
Obviously the cashier knew the electronic pad was defective because she NEVER offered me the £40 at the beginning. Can you imagine how many people went through before me & at the end of her shift how much money she pocketed?

At Sainsbury’s last week, the cashier hurried a colleague along and didn't give her a receipt. She asked the cashier for a receipt and the cashier was annoyed and gave it to her. She didn't look at her receipt until later that night. The receipt showed that she asked for £20 cash back. SHE DID NOT ASK FOR CASH BACK!

She called Sainsbury’s who investigated but could not see the cashier pocket the money. She then called her niece who works for the bank and her niece told her this. This is a new scam going on. The cashier will key in that you asked for cash back and then hand it to her friend who is the next person in the queue.

 Please check your receipts right away when using credit or debit cards!
 This is NOT limited to Sainsbury’s; they are one of the largest retailers so they have the most incidents.
 I am adding to this. My husband and I were in Sainsbury’s and paying with credit card when my husband went to sign the credit card signer he just happen to notice there was a £20 cash back added. He told the cashier that he did not ask nor want cash back and she said this machine has been messing up and she cancelled it. We really didn't think anything of it until we read this email.

I wonder how many "seniors" have been, or will be, "stung" by this one????

To make matters worse - THIS SCAM CAN BE DONE ANYWHERE, AT ANY RETAIL OR WHOLESALE LOCATION.
BEFORE LEAVING THE CHECK-OUT........CHECK YOUR RECEIPT.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Shambles on June 07, 2014, 10:33:25
Think we've reported on this before...
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2014, 10:41:13
 :whsaid: But can't be reminded enough of this risk...  :fum:

Thanks Mike ..  :goodjob:

Over here, Woolworths encourage you not to have a receipt (you pretty much have to ask for one!) :wacko: :wacko: :head_butt:

Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 07, 2014, 10:42:43
Paywave, the latest convenience to be added to credit cards, cashback using that, it's already done, no signature required.  :fum: :fum: :fum:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 07, 2014, 10:58:31
Think we've reported on this before...
I looked, but could not find anything very similar :)
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 07, 2014, 11:00:37
Over here, Woolworths encourage you not to have a receipt (you pretty much have to ask for one!) :wacko: :wacko: :head_butt:
Several shops do the same here, especially under £5.00 (Co-oP, WH Smith & "The Multiples).
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2014, 11:09:55
Think we've reported on this before...
I looked, but could not find anything very similar :)

It was a while back and Surprise, Surprise, think it might have been as the result of a thread drift...  :whistler:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 07, 2014, 11:40:58
Think we've reported on this before...
I looked, but could not find anything very similar :)
It was a while back and Surprise, Surprise, think it might have been as the result of a thread drift...  :whistler:

Ok  :Ouch:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Surferdude on June 07, 2014, 11:41:23
Yeah. It's been on before.
I know I'm old fashioned but I ALWAYS insist on a receipt. Some of the service stations ask if you want it too.
However, I never pay for groceries with a credit card. Cash only.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 07, 2014, 11:49:46
But, but, the reward points.  :idea:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Surferdude on June 07, 2014, 11:52:41
But, but, the reward points.  :idea:
We use a Fly Buys card at Coles. Apart from that, to hell with the points. :P
However, over the years we've scored plenty of good stuff from Fly Buys points.  :goodjob:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 07, 2014, 11:56:48
I bought my gps with points and 3 x $100 gift cards for my family. My purchase cost the same with, or without, so why not.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2014, 21:46:58
I bought my gps with points and 3 x $100 gift cards for my family. My purchase cost the same with, or without, so why not.

Jeepers (must be a fancy one!) My current Garmin GPS with lifetime maps cost $76.50!  :rofl:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 07, 2014, 21:50:15
I bought my gps with points and 3 x $100 gift cards for my family. My purchase cost the same with, or without, so why not.

Jeepers (must be a fancy one!) My current Garmin GPS with lifetime maps cost $76.50!  :rofl:

2 separate transactions, Dazz
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2014, 21:57:51
O.I.C.  :goodjob:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 08, 2014, 02:21:03
Unfortunately, reward points and fuel vouchers are a catch22 situation. Products we all buy,are dearer because of these schemes, but should the purchaser decline to be involved, then the product price remains the same and the reward points forfeited. If only EVERYONE would decline these things, the we would be able to knock the ever growing monopolies a little. They just keep getting stronger and stronger, but to opt out, is to choose to be singularly disadvantaged.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: baroudeur on June 08, 2014, 12:52:27
Every time I have asked for cashback I always have had  to initial the amount on the  cashier part of till receipt.  This provides proof that it was requested and taken.  My local Sainsbury, Lidl. Aldi and Tesco  all use this system.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Lakes on June 08, 2014, 13:15:27
 i like to use real money, so if that came up it would not matter as paying with the real thing not plastic. oh forgot :-[ we use plastic money here.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: asathorny on June 08, 2014, 13:28:30
Received this email from a colleague :-

Bought a lot of items (over £150) looked at the receipt and saw a cash-back of £40, told the Cashier that I hadn't requested a cash back & to delete it. She said I'd have to take the £40 because she couldn't delete it. I told her to call a Supervisor who came & said I'd have to take it.. I said NO! Taking the £40 would be a cash advance against my Credit card & I wasn't paying interest on a cash advance!. If they couldn't delete it then they would have to delete the whole order. So the Supervisor had the cashier delete the whole order & re-scan everything. The second time I looked at the electronic pad before I signed & a cash-back of £20 popped up. At that point I told the cashier & she deleted it. The total came out right. The cashier said that the Electronic Pad must be defective.
Obviously the cashier knew the electronic pad was defective because she NEVER offered me the £40 at the beginning. Can you imagine how many people went through before me & at the end of her shift how much money she pocketed?

At Sainsbury’s last week, the cashier hurried a colleague along and didn't give her a receipt. She asked the cashier for a receipt and the cashier was annoyed and gave it to her. She didn't look at her receipt until later that night. The receipt showed that she asked for £20 cash back. SHE DID NOT ASK FOR CASH BACK!

She called Sainsbury’s who investigated but could not see the cashier pocket the money. She then called her niece who works for the bank and her niece told her this. This is a new scam going on. The cashier will key in that you asked for cash back and then hand it to her friend who is the next person in the queue.

 Please check your receipts right away when using credit or debit cards!
 This is NOT limited to Sainsbury’s; they are one of the largest retailers so they have the most incidents.
 I am adding to this. My husband and I were in Sainsbury’s and paying with credit card when my husband went to sign the credit card signer he just happen to notice there was a £20 cash back added. He told the cashier that he did not ask nor want cash back and she said this machine has been messing up and she cancelled it. We really didn't think anything of it until we read this email.

I wonder how many "seniors" have been, or will be, "stung" by this one????

To make matters worse - THIS SCAM CAN BE DONE ANYWHERE, AT ANY RETAIL OR WHOLESALE LOCATION.
BEFORE LEAVING THE CHECK-OUT........CHECK YOUR RECEIPT.

It's FAKE :-

Check Your Receipts - Cash Back Scam Warning Email (http://www.hoax-slayer.com/cash-back-scam-warning.shtml)
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 08, 2014, 14:03:04
Must have been a fake when first reported on here then  :D
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: diablo on June 08, 2014, 14:14:25
I thought there was something odd about this tale when I first read it because I've never had a credit card which I could get cashback on, even though I've had lots of different types over the last 40 years.  If I want cashback I have to proffer my debit card.

I was once nearly diddled though, asked for cashback at local Booths supermarket than foolishly wandered off without the money, only realising when I'd left the doors. Doh.   Went back to the cashier and she had the money readily available - didn't need to open the till. Odd I thought, never saw her again. Was a very pretty girl which may be what distracted me in the first place.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 08, 2014, 17:28:59
I was once nearly diddled though, Was a very pretty girl which may be what distracted me in the first place.  :mrgreen:
:happydance: Such a short distraction time as well.
Often mine run into years  :lol:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: eye30 on June 08, 2014, 17:39:33
In sainsbury's earlier and was watching to see if any punters paid by card.

Didn't see any so can't confirm scam
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 08, 2014, 20:07:43
In sainsbury's earlier and was watching to see if any punters paid by card.
Didn't see any so can't confirm scam
Hoax Slayer may report it as a Fake - but it still remains feasible & a possibility.
Better safe than sorry  :)
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: asathorny on June 08, 2014, 20:13:52
In sainsbury's earlier and was watching to see if any punters paid by card.
Didn't see any so can't confirm scam
Hoax Slayer may report it as a Fake - but it still remains feasible & a possibility.
Better safe than sorry  :)

Mike, it's feasible that Lester will start posting FUNNY gags.   We all know it's never gonna happen tho  :harhar: :harhar: :tease: :argh:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 08, 2014, 20:41:25
In sainsbury's earlier and was watching to see if any punters paid by card.
Didn't see any so can't confirm scam
Hoax Slayer may report it as a Fake - but it still remains feasible & a possibility.
Better safe than sorry  :)

I totally agree MIke, it pays to be vigilant! The exact scenario as described in your original post may not be feasible but some similar ones certainly are..

When I was managing a Wall and Floor tile shop, I had a staff member who was crediting customer refunds to his own bank account! Didn't get picked up for quite a while as many customers didn't check their accounts very thoroughly! 

@ ASA .. I agree with part of your post (the bit about Lester)  :rofl: :goodjob:

Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 08, 2014, 20:59:36
Mike, it's feasible that Lester will start posting FUNNY gags.   We all know it's never gonna happen tho  :harhar: :harhar: :tease: :argh:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Mike SX on June 08, 2014, 21:06:51
When I was managing a Wall and Floor tile shop, I had a staff member who was crediting customer refunds to his own bank account! Didn't get picked up for quite a while as many customers didn't check their accounts very thoroughly! 
What about the fiddle when, say a Builder, shows you an Invoice (for what he has supposedly paid) yet does not show you the separate Credit Note for his "additional" discount.
Or the end of year turnover rebate  :)
That's apart from the negotiated % profit that he had previously agreed with you.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 08, 2014, 21:15:55
When I was managing a Wall and Floor tile shop, I had a staff member who was crediting customer refunds to his own bank account! Didn't get picked up for quite a while as many customers didn't check their accounts very thoroughly! 
What about the fiddle when, say a Builder, shows you an Invoice (for what he has supposedly paid) yet does not show you the separate Credit Note for his "additional" discount.
Or the end of year turnover rebate  :)
That's apart from the negotiated % profit that he had previously agreed with you.

Yes, exactly.. Although in these cases the refund was backed out against the original invoice (e.g. system genrated credit note) so the internal paperwork was ok and the stock balanced up.

He just substituted his card in the Eftpos machine somehow... This was about 8 or 9 years ago (you have to enter your pin for refunds now)  The Bank actually picked it up 1st (multiple refunds to the same account) The guy had a gambling problem amongst others...  :Pout:

Some of the dodgy co-workers I have had would make my hair curl (if I had enough!) :snigger:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Lakes on June 08, 2014, 23:17:19
Dazz another reason i like cash & cash refund bugger banks.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Flyyte on June 15, 2014, 20:24:44
The problem with all these warnings is that they're most often a report of someone else's experience. The individual passing on the warning may indeed believe the alert to be genuine. . . but then when it's tracked back (if it's tracked back) it turns out that the friend who sent the warning was actually a friend of another friend to whom it (whatever it might be) happened to. Over the years I've gotten sick weary and tired of my inbox being cluttered with crap from people telling me 'Microsoft says this' and 'Kaspersky has verified that' when you know for a fact that microsoft never says anything, ever, and that Kaspersky's info certainly wouldn't figure within the world of the individual seemingly responsible for the original email. As to the cashback 'scam', I have never, ever, at any time, anywhere, been asked if I would like cashback and then had it added into the bill without me knowing. It's perfectly obvious that if I went home, and saw the cashback payment there, I'd be back onto the store immediately. So would anyone. All grocery store chains are alive to possible staff abuse which is why cashback slips **have to be signed by the recipient.** What's tragic about the false-flagging of scams is that they have the potential to make folks blase about real scams: I can remember the first Cryptolocker victims, and how many folks said ah, it's just another email hoax doing the rounds . . .

Gotta dash. A neighbour tells me a colleague has a relative who has a friend who has a neighbour who has just returned from a disastrous holiday in France with his deceased grandma tied to the roofrack of his i30 Tourer. Not sure why I need to know but he thought I might wish to be alert to the overloading of vehicles with extinct seniors. Well, er, yeah: I am. I brought back an entire party of deceased pensioners in the boot of mine.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: asathorny on June 15, 2014, 20:40:25
It's good to get these things off your chest, cathartic, now go and lie down in a darkened room a repeat 'KALM'  a million times n you'll feel great again    :victory: :victory: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Dazzler on June 15, 2014, 22:12:53
I agree 80% Flyyte... Unfortunately similar things to those outlined do happen, and believe it or not a lot of people don't check their slips or bank accounts..(I have had 20 years in Banking and another 20 in retail, with multiple years as a Manager in both)

Some stores down here are only now starting to get you to sign to acknowledge receipt of your cash back!  :eek:

I really dislike the trend (particularly Woolworths and some discount stores) of not giving you a docket unless you ask for one.. :fum:



Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: FatBoy on June 15, 2014, 22:32:37
I think Woolworths have to give a receipt if the total is over $30, they should ask if it is under (they do down here).

Flyyte, let us know what happened, I don't want the same to happen to my colleague's relative's friend's neighbour's aunty's dog. I'll draft up an email with an official looking letterhead to let others know.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Doggie 1 on June 16, 2014, 10:22:33
I've NEVER been asked to sign a receipt when I've asked for cash back.  :undecided:

@ FatBoy:  I'd be really interested to hear what happened to your colleague's relative's friend's neighbour's aunty's dog.
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: Flyyte on June 16, 2014, 10:23:30
@ asathorny: I know I haven't posted in a while due to a virus transmitted in a clickable link which takes over your entire body and transports you to Mars (don't worry if you haven't heard of this threat, I'll be circulating 10 million emailed warnings later today) but that doesn't mean my name has changed. I am definitely not called Cathartic. Also, if I was to lie back and repeat the word KALM a million times it would achieve the exact opposite of your kind intention, it being a reminder of the chappie who founded the Dixons-PC World-Currys-Pixmania Death Star. :scared:

@ dazzler: Agreed. These things do happen. But never at the frequency or intensity of the hoaxes circulated on the World Wide Scare.

@ fatboy: I think Woolworths should introduce that policy here in the UK. Actually, I think Woolworths should be introduced to the UK. It was taken away by a gang of Roumanians, of whom there are now 28 million in the UK (I know, because a colleague's friend's second cousin has counted them.) As to the transportable dead grandma problem, I'm appalled to discover that Hyundai -- at least in the UK -- excludes this from its warranty cover, despite being well aware that for at least the past 40 years, accounts of deceased relatives touring the country on roof racks have been verified time and again. That said, it may well be that your colleague's relative's friend's neighbour's aunty's dog has nothing to worry about if a Kia warranty is involved because that's more comprehensive than Hyundai's. PS: can you really draft an official-looking letterhead? It's about time the Institute of Practising Paranoids had its own literature.  ;)
Title: Re: "Cash Back" Scam
Post by: asathorny on June 16, 2014, 11:37:50
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :goodjob: :goodjob:
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