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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => PETROL => Topic started by: Wingerdave on February 28, 2015, 23:58:16
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So, the car is two weeks old with 1600 km on the clock and no problems....... Until this afternoon.
We'd driven a few miles and the car was up to temperature when my wife went to get on the motorway. She had to make some speed to join the traffic when the engine started to throw a wobbly. Change ups weren't going Well, revs were all over the place, going up to 3500, then straight back to 2700, then up again, down again, quite scary.
So, stopped the car, turned it off, wanted a few minutes and tryed again ....... Same thing, so we limped into a village and it stemde to correct itself.
Back to the motorway and it started to play up again. Once again stopped on the motorway. I changed places with the wife and . It just felt like the engine didn't want to (or couldn't) go over 3500 revs.
Anyway, i coaxed the car onto the motorway, changing round the 3000 revs and got up to speed and sixth gear. Finished the journey 70 km later.
I have no idea what this could have been, but i expect the car to be able to accelerate above 3500 revs.
Any ideas ?
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It's not in limp home mode is it?
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:whsaid: or dirty fuel (which could cause limp home mode type symptoms)
At the risk of understating the facts .. Not good Dave! :Pout:
P.S. You didn't live in South Africa at some stage did you? (Sorry, a bit of inside humour) :whistler:
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P.S. You didn't live in South Africa at some stage did you? (Sorry, a bit of inside humour) :whistler:
:snigger:
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Did the EML come on, could be like dazzler says or fuel starvation
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Sounds like a plug or lead breaking down to me :undecided:
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:whsaid: or dirty fuel (which could cause limp home mode type symptoms)
At the risk of understating the facts .. Not good Dave! :Pout:
P.S. You didn't live in South Africa at some stage did you? (Sorry, a bit of inside humour) :whistler:
What have you got against us Saffers, huh? :whistler:
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No lights or warning sounds, just the impressions of being in a emotie controller car,driven by a five year old.
BTW.... What's limp home mode?
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BTW.... What's limp home mode?
Your Check Engine Light should light up and the car will refuse to rev above I think 3000rpm, sort of like a failsafe mode if the engine picks up anything wrong
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:whsaid: or dirty fuel (which could cause limp home mode type symptoms)
At the risk of understating the facts .. Not good Dave! :Pout:
P.S. You didn't live in South Africa at some stage did you? (Sorry, a bit of inside humour) :whistler:
What have you got against us Saffers, huh? :whistler:
:rofl: :rofl: We had a couple from SA that bought i30's expecting them to fail and when they did they whinged for weeks.. (But Dave isn't like that and neither are you!) I was just taking the Pi$$)
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And I knew who he was making reference to, so I laughed. :mrgreen:
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I doubt they failed. :)
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I doubt they failed. :)
True! :goodjob:
Still doesn't solve Whingerdave's problem though does it! :undecided:
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Still doesn't sole Whingerdave's problem though does it! :undecided:
Wingerdave's not a whinger :exclaim: :lol:
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Doesn't solve it either. :snigger:
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Still doesn't sole Whingerdave's problem though does it! :undecided:
Wingerdave's not a whinger :exclaim: :lol:
:oops: I've been reading facebook posts about Jamie Whingecup!
I know Dave's problem is genuine just not 100% sure of what it could be! :undecided:
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Still doesn't sole Whingerdave's problem though does it! :undecided:
Wingerdave's not a whinger :exclaim: :lol:
:oops: I've been reading facebook posts about Jamie Whingecup!
I know Dave's problem is genuine just not 100% sure of what it could be! :undecided:
I don't have a problem! :undecided:
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Still doesn't sole Whingerdave's problem though does it! :undecided:
Wingerdave's not a whinger :exclaim: :lol:
:oops: I've been reading facebook posts about Jamie Whingecup!
I know Dave's problem is genuine just not 100% sure of what it could be! :undecided:
I don't have a problem! :undecided:
I mean the other Pommy Dave that lies in the Netherlands....
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Just having a lend, Dazz. :razz:
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:whsaid: or dirty fuel (which could cause limp home mode type symptoms)
At the risk of understating the facts .. Not good Dave! :Pout:
P.S. You didn't live in South Africa at some stage did you? (Sorry, a bit of inside humour) :whistler:
What have you got against us Saffers, huh? :whistler:
:rofl: :rofl: We had a couple from SA that bought i30's expecting them to fail and when they did they whinged for weeks.. (But Dave isn't like that and neither are you!) I was just taking the Pi$$)
Now I really don't know what this is all about, but for the record us Safricans are forever whinging about...everything, really. It's a way of life here :lol:
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Just having a lend, Dazz. :razz:
Meat who. :D
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I can't solve SA Dave's problem either.
But it highlights a concern I have, which I was discussing with my son and daughter yesterday.
Technology is IMHO, getting out of control.
Whilst the car is relatively new, it's all wonderful. However, the current crop of vehicles is going to be old before long. And by old I mean between 5 and 10 years old.
Which means things like the EPS, power window and remote central locking actuators will fail with more regularity. We've already heard horror tales about the difficulties of access and costs associated with these sorts of things.
Fine if you can trade in every 5 years, but what about the people who then buy our car asva second handy?
A bit scary.
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Buy a classic car, Trev.
I love searching for and finding classic cars and everyone has a favourite. :)
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Believe me wabbs, you would have been embarrassed bybthe way these two carried on. :mrgreen:
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I can't solve SA Dave's problem either.
But it highlights a concern I have, which I was discussing with my son and daughter yesterday.
Technology is IMHO, getting out of control.
Whilst the car is relatively new, it's all wonderful. However, the current crop of vehicles is going to be old before long. And by old I mean between 5 and 10 years old.
Which means things like the EPS, power window and remote central locking actuators will fail with more regularity. We've already heard horror tales about the difficulties of access and costs associated with these sorts of things.
Fine if you can trade in every 5 years, but what about the people who then buy our car asva second handy?
A bit scary.
Very True Trevor.. Like I said before, the thought of a Power steering failure outside warranty was one of the reasons I traded Trish's CW!
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Believe me wabbs, you would have been embarrassed bybthe way these two carried on. :mrgreen:
Part of me wants to say "They couldn't have been that bad" but on the other hand, I know what you mean :rofl:
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Buy a classic car, Trev.
I love searching for and finding classic cars and everyone has a favourite. :)
My point exactly.
But you don't need to go back that far.
Anything more than 5 years old and not a super expensive model is eady enough to work on.
It may well come to that for me but I worry about my kids.
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Right, are you all sitting comfortably ? Then i'll begin.......
Took the car to the local mall about 20 Miles away, nearly all motorway. Filled up with petrol (Total euro 95) before i left.
Gatting on to the motorway i took her to 4000 revs, changed to forth, up to 4000, changed to fifth,up to 4000, changed to sixth.
No problems.
On the way back did the same, no problems. I even took the car up to 150+ kph (95 mph) and she performed as she should.
So..... Maybe it was a fuel think, although i wonder why it took almost a tank full of petrol before the problem manifested itself.
Anyway, that got me thinking....... A few years back i was on the Goldwing in England and i filled up at a BP station, about 30 miles down the road the bike wouldn't go faster than 65 mph and sounder like a randy bison. I later filled up at a Texaco place and the problem went away.
Now, i always used to fill up in England with the Dodge at a 1 BP station on the motorway but then only at Morrisons and a Shell station on the way back.
This last trip i filled up at 2 BP stations on the motorway.
Go figure !!!!! Do BP have a reputation for bad fuel (high ethanol, tar, HP sauce)?
Moral of the story....... Don't buy petrol from BP. (In England)
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Bit of a jump to a conclusion there. BP don't generally have a bad reputation, and many would say they are one of the best places to fill up. (Although I use Tesco and have no issues).
My guess would be you have a loose wire or fault sensor somewhere (crankshaft speed perhaps).
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Don't buy petrol from BP. (In England)
I don't because they are always circa 4ppl more than any other garage
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I hope it was just a case of bad fuel that caused your car to burp a bit.
Please let us know how it goes :goodjob2:
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Bit of a jump to a conclusion there. BP don't generally have a bad reputation, and many would say they are one of the best places to fill up. (Although I use Tesco and have no issues).
My guess would be you have a loose wire or fault sensor somewhere (crankshaft speed perhaps).
But it is strange. BTW, what are the chances of wiring or sensor faults after 1600 km without a warning light coming on. The symtoms weren't exactly "minor" .
Anyway, it's certainly something I'll be keeping an eye on.
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Looks like it might go down as one of life's great mysteries! :undecided: :confused:
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Might just be that, yeah. I'll certainly mention it when i take her in for the Sat Nav upgrade in a couple of weeks time (and get my summer tyres fitted)
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Any further issues?
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Nothing to date. Thanks for asking :goodjob:
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I can't solve SA Dave's problem either.
But it highlights a concern I have, which I was discussing with my son and daughter yesterday.
Technology is IMHO, getting out of control.
Whilst the car is relatively new, it's all wonderful. However, the current crop of vehicles is going to be old before long. And by old I mean between 5 and 10 years old.
Which means things like the EPS, power window and remote central locking actuators will fail with more regularity. We've already heard horror tales about the difficulties of access and costs associated with these sorts of things.
Fine if you can trade in every 5 years, but what about the people who then buy our car asva second handy?
A bit scary.
It's very scary. They are pretty much manufacturing cars that will only run well for around 7 years maximum, it's disgusting! We will never again get the quality product that they used to make, which is going to make car ownership very difficult for future generations.
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Well, i promissed an update ........
It's happened a few times since we've had the car and it's got 8500 km under it's belt at this moment. The last time it happened was last Saturday.
It only happens during a gear change while accelerating in a somewhat "sporty" fashion, like getting on to the motorway.
I've now sent an email to my dealership, explaining the problem and hope to get a reply soon.
This doesn't seem to be going away with usasge.
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If you can force it to happen now you know the circumstances - it may be best to get the technician to come out with you so you can demonstrate.
In my experience, if it doesn't happen when the technician takes it for a spin - you are stuffed - and they will not acknowledge that there is a problem.
These intermittent problems are a right ball ache.
I wish you all the best
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The option of getting fault codes was only just coming in to play as I retired so I don't know a lot about them but it seems to me there's a serious shortcoming in the technology.
How often do we hear of issues like this where there is quite obviously something not right yet there are no fault codes logged.
Surely they can design software which captures EVERY departure from the norm.
Or is it possible they don't want to?
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The option of getting fault codes was only just coming in to play as I retired so I don't know a lot about them but it seems to me there's a serious shortcoming in the technology.
How often do we hear of issues like this where there is quite obviously something not right yet there are no fault codes logged.
Surely they can design software which captures EVERY departure from the norm.
Or is it possible they don't want to?
Unfortunately, there will always be a lack of fault codes in vehicles. To monitor every possible parameter that could vary requires a dedicated sensor, thus increasing the wiring cost and complexity of the system. Who is to say that a monitoring sensor could in itself fail. This happens quite regularly on aircraft and space technology to the extent that ground controllers, (safe in their seats,) advise overriding the limits occasionally. :scared:
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***BIG UPDATE***
Just got back from another trip to England, and guess what....... It happened again. I still had'nt heard from the dealer after my email, so i went in to see them.
I got a mechanic to come for a spin and, thank god, was able to reproduce the problem.
And.....it's a slipping clutch. (Above 3500 rpm in 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. The car goes in next Tuesday.
........ to be continued
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Clutch! :confused: Hope they cover it under warranty! :sweating: Should do hopefully, due to age of car. :Good_luck:
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I told them they should. "They won't like me when i'm angry"
It's done it since new, it just took some time for me to be able to reproduce it on demand. The mechanic said it shouldn't be doing that, which is basically a confession.
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Next Update...........
Just got a call from the dealer :phone1:.
The clutch is contaminated and there's a leak in the gearbox. So, new clutch plate (+ a new flywheel probably) and new bearing seals. All parts have to come from Germany, nothing on the shelf. :crazy2:
This means i have to drive around in an astmatic Mitsubishi Space Star for an extra few days (what a joke car that is........ 3000 km on the clock and it hardly gets out of the starting block and sounds like a Leopard tank, and before anyone asks, yes i have driven one :P)
On the upside, everything else is great in the i30, very happy.
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:goodjob:
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***UPDATE***
Happy Days :D
Got the car back from the dealer this morning, which was great. What was even beter was that i gave the Mitsubishi back :happydance: :happydance:
All work was done under warranty and included a new crankshaft seal (primary seal) and completely new clutch and flywheel, which had been contaminated by weeping oil.
I'm just hoping there's no design fault behind this and that i'll get many problem free kilometers out of the i30. :D :D :D
Just as an aside......... I did hear from a mechanic that the i30's engine is too powerful for the clutch :crazy2:, but his experiences were with 1.8 and 2.0 ltr engines. Hopefully the 1.6 ltr is underpowered enough that the clutch can cope.
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Interesting you should mention what the mechanic said...
A friend of mine, who likes his cars and can drive them well (but has little money to buy or spend on such), did opine to me - that he wondered if maybe the engine was too big for the gearbox... and that was why I had problems (basically design flaw) and why it sometimes felt like it was in the wrong gear (automatic - so up to it to change, excepting of course manually moving the stick from D to 3 or 2).
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A design flaw is certainly an option. for example i don't really get how a 6-speed would be that better than a five speed..... you just change gear more, but you still have to get 6 gears into much the same space as 5 gears, and getting 135 hp though something the size of a biscuit tin is quite an accomplishment in itself.
Anyway, with me, it was the seal that failed and that could be anything from being fitted wrongly to simply a bad seal. Hopefully the seal isn't badly designed :neutral: