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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => DIESEL => Topic started by: Tsv4810 on April 19, 2015, 02:10:06
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Hi,
Unfortunately my first post here is a plea for advice/help.
Last week our 2009 SX diesel auto 5 door (86000km) transmission began to fail. Driving locally and not over 60km/hr the transmission would not go past 2nd gear. We had high rpm at around 60km/hr.
I had a quick look at similar problems people had reported on and feared the worst. I took the car into the local (Townsville, QLD, AU) hyundai service centre to get diagnosis of problem etc and determine the damage.
I called them to get an update - 'transmission failure, needs replacement'. Any more information around that?? None that they would give me. How much? They will get back to me....
I called them back a few days later. $14500 for a new transmission to be installed, $9308 for a reconditioned transmission.
Contacting other local mechanics I was given approx. $3000 for a second hand transmission or $5000 for my current transmission to be completely overhauled (worst case). Needless to say I don't have much trust in the local hyundai service centre and it is clear they were not willing to look into providing me with a reasonable solution to the failed transmission.
I will say that the receptionist did acknowledge the crazy quote and noted she will contact hyundai to see whether a replacement could be provided in 'good will' as the car is only just out of warranty and has a complete service history. Time will tell.... I think I will have to call back about this also.
I am taking the car into a local mechanic to investigate the problem in more detail and get a more detailed report on any faults and quote for repair. I will keep this updated to let anyone know how it all goes.
Appreciate any advice on this problem or whether hyundai has ever provided work in 'good will'. Hopefully I don't have to take out all my savings and a little more to keep my wife and I mobile.
Cheers,
Sean
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This is all the information I could get from the Hyundai service centre
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Sorry to hear of your problem. However that quote sounds like rubbish to me.
There is a known problem with the FD auto transmission valve unit. It generally is fixed by replacing the valve unit, but not at that price. One would assume that the rest of the components, clutches, shafts etc are only 86k old so why replace them. I certainly wouldn't. Goodwill work is occasionally performed by Hy. Check with a proper auto trans workshop, for an accurate diagnosis and repair cost. I would only consider a recon unit if the fault is a major failure.
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Is that the best Hyundai can come up with ? gearbox needs replacing. That's poor by any standards. Did they not give you any thoughts what might be the cause, ie solenoid valve, pressures, valve block, governor.
sorry I can't help any
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Sorry to hear of your problem. However that quote sounds like rubbish to me.
There is a known problem with the FD auto transmission valve unit. It generally is fixed by replacing the valve unit, but not at that price. One would assume that the rest of the components, clutches, shafts etc are only 86k old so why replace them. I certainly wouldn't. Goodwill work is occasionally performed by Hy. Check with a proper auto trans workshop, for an accurate diagnosis and repair cost. I would only consider a recon unit if the fault is a major failure.
Totally agree with you Phil, what happened to repairing faults instead of just replacing a whole unit
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Thanks, hopefully the local transmission mech can help out. The local hyundai service centre kept to the only information we have is what the technician gave us which is a new transmission is needed. Even when I pressed it a little that was all they would give me. Ah I will see how I go. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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Really sorry to hear this Tsv.
I would contact Hyundai directly (try an email via their website or maybe even call 1800 186 306)
Tell them the ridiculous cost you have been quoted and that you have been made aware of other FD i30 Auto Transmission failures which have been fixed free of charge (or for less than a quarter of this quote) Ask them to please investigate and advise you of your options. Tell them you are also seeking legal and consumer rights advice... :whistler:
Good luck, I wish you a cheap or no cost result! :fingers:
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:wttc:
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I'll just add a question. Do you have fit for purpose laws in your state?
I know that in W.A. a manufacturer's warranty isn't necessarily the end of the matter and if goods sold are not fit for purpose, consumer affairs or equivalent can step in and achieve a better result.
A good service history on the vehicle would help here.
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Doggie,
I believe the fit for purpose laws are federal overseen by the ACCC
:link: Warranties | ACCC (https://www.accc.gov.au/business/treating-customers-fairly/warranties)
There have been a small number of transmission failures in the diesel auto (complete failures, not valve body). You should be able to search them on this site (sometimes I find Google more helpful).
Baring abuse (service is not an issue because the transmission is not touched until 90,000k from memory) It should be replaced free by Hyundai, as it is unreasonable to expect a total failure at this time.
I find their service section hard to deal with, so I would contact the ACCC, they might have a contact behind the customer service wall, they will also give you advice on how to word an email to push for your rights. I dare say you will get a 'replacement as a gesture of goodwill' fairly quickly.
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Thanks a bunch, i will get onto ACCC and Hyundai tomorrow. Appreciate the advice. I will keep this thread updated in case others have similar problems
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Put it this way, Redbook values your car at about $9,400 - $11,100. At $14,500, they are saying your car is not economical to repair and is at the end of life.
Australian Consumer Law would definitely consider a car as lasting more than 6 years. So if you can get the law to work in your favour then I'm sure Hyundai will come to the party.
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Someone is having a lend of you,this is one of the reasons I steered well clear of an Auto when we bought our two,but even with thenfaults I found out about before buying I had asked two different Hyundai dealers what would be in the worse case scenario once the warranty ran out,how much it would be to replace with a new one,both quotes were no more than $5000,hope you get a good result to get it fixed which ever way you go,but at the price,I would certainly be giving that dealership miss :fum:
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What I find annoying about this is that Hyundai have made no effort to say to the customer is that we will strip the box down find the fault and replace parts as necessary. All they've done is say 'replacement box' it could be a $10 fix for all we know. Even if the parts come to a couple of thousand dollars and add labour costs on top it's a dam site cheaper than $14500
Does the customer not come first anymore instead of extracting as much cash out of them as possible.
I worked for a main dealership for 15 years and I've never seen a new auto or manual box replaced, it was always stripped down and overhauled and believe you me I've stripped down loads of manual box's, don't know much about auto's as we had another mechanic that was the only person that was trained up on them and you could say it was about a 12 hour turn around so 12 hrs labour + parts which works out a lot cheaper that a replacement
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Do hy want the box back intact so as not to reveal the exact cause to the dealership/owner.
That way they could prevent any national/international recall if issue found to be manufacturing fault.
I would presume the dealership would not be allowed to examine the box and just return it untouched.
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Do hy want the box back intact so as not to reveal the exact cause to the dealership/owner.
That way they could prevent any national/international recall if issue found to be manufacturing fault.
I would presume the dealership would not be allowed to examine the box and just return it untouched.
Hyundai would NEVER do anything like that :whistler:
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Gearbox oil ok?
Know anyone will a proper scanner (not ELM327) to hook up and look see if you have some gearbox codes reported?
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Those requiring replacement valve mechanisms have usually been supplied with a recon trans IIRC. A strip down is not usually undertaken at dealer level, due to the complexity of the trans and time restraints. But in this case, @ 86k traveled, I'd want to keep the original.
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Am i reading this correctly ? They want HALF the price of a brand new i30 base model just to replace a trannie ? :faint:
When did they legalised marihuana in Oz ?
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It's a ridiculous situation that they can't sustain, surely.
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I remember someone on the Dodge site getting a quote for a crated 1.8 engine from Mopar for 5000 euro's. He reckoned he could swap it out in a weekend. That worked out at about 20% of the new price of a whole car.
Even if the trannie is a pig to get at, 2 guys should be able to do it in a day, surely. I don't know what a mechanic earns per hour in Oz, but i'm pretty sure it's less than a lawyer or a surgeon.
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A couple of phone calls would get the answer.
Couldn't be more than @ $4k, I reckon, at worst.
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That would be more like it, fitted.
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I don't know what a mechanic earns per hour in Oz, but i'm pretty sure it's less than a lawyer or a surgeon.
Hyundai charges $150 per hour, not cheap when it's mostly apprentices doing the manual work.
Those gearbox prices above have to be misquoted surely :undecided: A new 2ltr crate motor is $6000, Gearbox new should be roughly$3500 and a rebuild should be no more than $1800 and pick one up second hand good condition from a wreckers around $1200 to $1500
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I called Hyundai today and told them the situation. Given that the car is out of warranty they aren't able to help, even with a 'good will'. The person I spoke to said they would call the local dealer/service centre I saw originally to see if they could get more information.. (for me or them?). Hopefully they call me back.
I talked to a local mechanic and to get the transition totally reconditioned (everything has failed) would cost at worst $5k. Hopefully its not that serious and is around the $4k figure. Taking the car in tomorrow.
I'll send hyundai an email tonight and get onto the QLD ACCC representative to see if a formal complaint should be pushed. Its a little hard when some of these organisations aren't able to give you advice only point you towards the legislation.
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You can get an auto off Ebay for $1250 (in QLD) plus installation from somewhere, would be the best bet if all else fails.
The fine people at the ACCC were very helpful with a matter we had, told the good wife how to word an email, and the place in question couldn't get onto us quickly enough to fix the problem.
Problem is that most places don't understand (or try to ignore, then claim ignorance of) the 'fit for purpose laws' and thus think their obligation ends at the end of the warranty. In your email strongly point out the fit for purpose laws and state that it is obvious that the automatic should last longer (mine has 130,000 and counting) I think you will find the Qld rep will get the result you deserve.
From memory they ship the Auto boxes to a place in Melbourne to be rebuilt.
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I just rang Hyundai Heaven here in Perth and they have two low km ( 30,000km ) auto boxes to suit your car for $1800 each and Hyundai Heaven are on the expensive side of what other wreckers here are priced at.
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for those playing at home
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Personally, if I bought a second hand one, I'd still want to strip it down, check it and rebuild it.
So in that case, might as well do the same to the original transmission.
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Personally, if I bought a second hand one, I'd still want to strip it down, check it and rebuild it.
So in that case, might as well do the same to the original transmission.
I wouldn't bother rebuilding a good condition low km box, they come with warranties anyway.
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Personally, if I bought a second hand one, I'd still want to strip it down, check it and rebuild it.
So in that case, might as well do the same to the original transmission.
I wouldn't bother rebuilding a good condition low km box, they come with warranties anyway.
I understand that but I'd rather know what I've got.
Just me. :)
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I understand that but I'd rather know what I've got.
Just me. :)
I'll only charge you half that Dave to tell you what you've got :whistler: :lol:
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I've heard about you! :Shocked: :scared:
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Picking up the car from local mechanic this morning. Report is that there doesn't seem to be any problems anymore. Possibly hyundai service cleared an electrical fault and that was the problem? The transmission was serviced and the oil was noticeably lower than it should be and not clean, needing new oil. Possibly the valves getting stuck due to sticky oil caused the transmission? We will drive it some km with fingers crossed
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We have 2 autos, At the required time, I had the oil removed AND THE TORQUE CONVERTER flushed at the same time. Running smooth a silk. 2nd car due in about 1 year's time.
So $14k for an easily removed electrical fault. This requires further investigation IMO.
Glad it's resolved. :victory:
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I had a gasket replaced in the auto under warranty. It hasn't been dropping fluid has it?
As an aside, the only auto service that Hyundai do is to drop the oil (I had a full flush in mine, elsewhere). I wonder if perhaps they might lack expertise (or desire) to diagnose the problem and the big bill was to get you to go elsewhere.
Wouldn't be the first time a big quote was submitted for a job that wasn't really wanted.
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I had a gasket replaced in the auto under warranty. It hasn't been dropping fluid has it?
As an aside, the only auto service that Hyundai do is to drop the oil (I had a full flush in mine, elsewhere). I wonder if perhaps they might lack expertise (or desire) to diagnose the problem and the big bill was to get you to go elsewhere.
Wouldn't be the first time a big quote was submitted for a job that wasn't really wanted.
Both, it would be easy money for them, just shows how easy it can be to be separated from your money to the tune of $14500 if you haven'f got your wits about you, poor show from that dealership.
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The mechanic I saw recommended getting major services ahead of what hyundai schedule. From what I could find the transmission wasn't meant to be touched before either 120km or 8 years. If this fault resurfaces I think this will be a good point to make to hyundai. Parts really should fail before their first service.
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From memory there is a service at 90k (which is part of the reason the fixed price is so high auto fluid and major service). Hyundai just drop the fluid and replace it. I went to a transmission specialist and had a full flush.
A smarter service schedule would have brought forward the auto to the 75k, smoothes out the prices and probably better for the auto too.
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Thats a bit of a high price! My dealer only wanted $11500 for a new one :crazy1:
My first trans went to 250000km. Got one with 25k on it and it needed a valve body only 50k later :fum:
Ps: I'm on here looking for front control arm kits. Or maybe just ball joint and bushes.
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Thats a bit of a high price! My dealer only wanted $11500 for a new one :crazy1:
My first trans went to 250000km. Got one with 25k on it and it needed a valve body only 50k later :fum:
Ps: I'm on here looking for front control arm kits. Or maybe just ball joint and bushes.
What did the 1st and 2nd repairs cost you Craig? Hopefully we can help you with that other stuff... Post a query in appropriate section or general discussion if you haven't already. :goodjob:
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The first trans was whining badly. The replacement was $1200 and cost $800 to fit.
They told me it had 25000km on it. 50000km later it was banging into reverse and would take about 5 seconds to find reverse. The valve body was new from ebay and was $1100 from memory. It was about $600 to fit.
I hit 317000km today.
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The first trans was whining badly. The replacement was $1200 and cost $800 to fit.
They told me it had 25000km on it. 50000km later it was banging into reverse and would take about 5 seconds to find reverse. The valve body was new from ebay and was $1100 from memory. It was about $600 to fit.
I hit 317000km today.
You did well, but still a lot of money! :eek:
I suppose it was a catch 22 (you would have got nothing for the car if you sold it broken) but you still must be pretty attached to it all the same! :eek:
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$0.01167192429022082018927444794953
per km doesn't seem too bad to me. How many clutches in that distance, Dazz :whistler: :mrgreen:
Congratulations, Craig00071 :victory:
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$0.01167192429022082018927444794953
per km doesn't seem too bad to me. How many clutches in that distance, Dazz :whistler: :mrgreen:
How many Clutches in $3700 Phil? .. :whistler:
Anyway, I drive an auto now... :winker:
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$0.01167192429022082018927444794953
per km doesn't seem too bad to me. How many clutches in that distance, Dazz :whistler: :mrgreen:
I've said it before but my old Holden Barina had 420,000k on the clock when I sold it and it was still on the original clutch... :D
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In your garage, on stands, probably. :mrgreen:
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Nope.... :P
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:snigger:
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The first trans was whining badly. The replacement was $1200 and cost $800 to fit.
They told me it had 25000km on it. 50000km later it was banging into reverse and would take about 5 seconds to find reverse. The valve body was new from ebay and was $1100 from memory. It was about $600 to fit.
I hit 317000km today.
You did well, but still a lot of money! :eek:
I suppose it was a catch 22 (you would have got nothing for the car if you sold it broken) but you still must be pretty attached to it all the same! :eek:
It's my driving school car. The longer it lasts the better.
i fitted a second hand alternator 8 months ago and had to replace it last weekend.
New ones are $550 and second hand are $130. Together with labour, I should of got a new one :(
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing! :undecided: At least you can probably claim repairs on your tax?
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A warranty is actually only indicative. You may have claim under the Trades Practices Act to have your car repaired either under full or partial warranty. Talk to a lawyer or Chamber Magistrate. Likewise, call Hyundai H/O and complain (nicely) and ask what can be done. Speak to your local Motoring organization (NRMA, RACQ...) as well.
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I had valve body replaced at 116000 km couple of days ago (2009 SLX Diesel-had car from new with dealer servicing), one year after warranty expired, at my cost of $2600. I am a little angry as I had symptoms leading to failure explained to the dealer when car was still under warranty, but was always told that they could not replicate the fault. The lag in reverse was present in the trans from new and that was supposed to be normal for that car. Well now with new valve body it does not happen and it appears that the car gained considerable power with extremely smooth gear changes. Looks like I was told something that was not exactly the truth. Very disappointed with the service. Friend of mine (2010 Diesel) had his gearbox replaced under warranty, but the new one has a lag going into reverse. I am wondering if this is not first indication of something not right.
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I had valve body replaced at 116000 km couple of days ago (2009 SLX Diesel-had car from new with dealer servicing), one year after warranty expired, at my cost of $2600. I am a little angry as I had symptoms leading to failure explained to the dealer when car was still under warranty, but was always told that they could not replicate the fault. The lag in reverse was present in the trans from new and that was supposed to be normal for that car. Well now with new valve body it does not happen and it appears that the car gained considerable power with extremely smooth gear changes. Looks like I was told something that was not exactly the truth. Very disappointed with the service. Friend of mine (2010 Diesel) had his gearbox replaced under warranty, but the new one has a lag going into reverse. I am wondering if this is not first indication of something not right.
Very disappointing and frustrating for you! Also a worry for your friend. I'm guessing you have nothing in writing about your gearbox complaints while still in warranty? :undecided: