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Title: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Blue on July 10, 2009, 12:35:43

Why is reverse next to 1st, and not under 5th???

I can't follow the logic.

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Lakes on July 10, 2009, 13:07:36

I was driving a truck today, Reverse was in front of 1st, don't really matter as long as it goes back when you want it to.
cheers mate

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: magicRob on July 10, 2009, 13:22:33

Depends on the manufacturer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_transmission#Gear_selection

Usually European (read German) vehicles have this layout. i30 was designed by Hyundai's European team in Germany :) I suspect the Kia C'eed has the same layout :)

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Blue on July 10, 2009, 13:30:00

Thanks Rob,

Good info.

Hey, pretty good company on this list too :

This is another five-speed shift pattern, which can be found in BMWs, some Audis, Volkswagens, Opels, Hyundais, and more:

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: magicRob on July 10, 2009, 13:59:29

I know VW have used that layout for a long time. Took a while to get used to after driving the more usual manual layout, but had driven a Polo many years ago with the same layout...

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Dazzler on July 10, 2009, 22:58:53

Even the Wifes Tiida has the same pattern as the i30 ...

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: ozsnowman on July 10, 2009, 23:41:25

it leaves room for the 6th gear that the diesel really needs! :)

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Blue on July 11, 2009, 00:41:38

Quote from: ozsnowman on July 10, 2009, 23:41:25

it leaves room for the 6th gear that the diesel really needs! :)

Next model/update, for sure !
Along with the 2.0 litre (R Diesel!).

I want one !

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Shambles on July 11, 2009, 10:15:49

The 2.0L diesel I test drove had 6 forward gears. Can't say it needs a 6th here, or I wonder if the gearing is different in Aus

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: Blue on July 11, 2009, 10:22:38

I have read reports that the 1.6 CRDi is the preferred diesel (We don't get the 2 litre Diesel here).

Personally, I think the extra gear would shift the "economical" speed to something more commonly driven at (here in oz at least) 100 - 110 kph.
The car certainly has the torque to handle it.
Bearing in mind, you can always leave it in 5th for the 80 - 90 kph speed zones.

Here are the Oz Manual ratio's Shambles:
Gear    Petrol   Diesel
1         3.308   3.636
2         1.962   1.962
3         1.257   1.189
4         0.976   0.844
5         0.778   0.660
Rev     3.583   3.583
Final    4.188   3.941

Title: Re: manuals: 4 up, 2 down?
Post by: whaleshark on July 15, 2009, 13:25:35

i like the R next to 1st. it makes sense. you need to stop to go either direction (forward/reverse), and when u shift to 1st or R, it's the same shift with the exception of the lifting up for R.

also less chances of screwing things up... imagine going at 100km/h and suddenly shift into R, thinking there's a six gear  :lol:

also, i think it's easier to built it that way, might be wrong, but the 1st gear is used to move the stationary vehicle and when u shift into R, i reckon there's an inverter applied to 1st. my guess....

also just to find out, for diesel, what the rev u shift to the 2nd gear. I find myself shifting at around 2000 ~2300 rev. at 65km/h i could shift to 5 gear.

cheers matey