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Title: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on May 31, 2015, 06:32:45
How do other members feel about these convex mirrors? 

I find they are dangerous when you want to change lanes, as they make you think the traffic to your rear is further away than it actually is.
 I check side mirror first to see that I have enough room to pull out.  I also turn my head quickly to check and this has saved an accident but is scary. Now I check my rear vision mirror to get the correct distance of approaching traffic from my rear.
I am having the glass changed next week to normal flat glass like my old Toyota had installed.

NRMA has printed letters from readers quoting this same problem.
I know the reason for the concave mirrors is to give a wider view and eliminate the 'blind spot' . I have never had a blind spot issue as I move the side mirror outwards till I can see the whole next lane in full view.

I noted a  2015 Mitsubishi  had only flat glass installed.

Interested in your opinions.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Dazzler on May 31, 2015, 06:47:00
This has been discussed before and from memory opinions were split about 50/50. Seems to depend on your previous cars. If you have had several with that feature you seem to get used to it.

How much is the conversion costing? I think, also from memory, that you can get stick on flat glass mirrors to suit, from Ebay. May be a cheaper option.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: FatBoy on May 31, 2015, 09:26:41
I like the convex mirrors.  As you said, they give you a wider view.  I was taught to drive by mainly using the rearview mirror to see if anything was behind and beside, and then moving the head to see if anything was in your blind spot.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on May 31, 2015, 10:11:49
This has been discussed before and from memory opinions were split about 50/50. Seems to depend on your previous cars. If you have had several with that feature you seem to get used to it.

How much is the conversion costing? I think, also from memory, that you can get stick on flat glass mirrors to suit, from Ebay. May be a cheaper option.
My Arncliffe Hyundai dealer referred me to Ralph Moore Autoglass at Mascot, and said the convex glass has to be removed and the new glass stuck to the backing plate or the moving mechanism will not move properly. I rang and was told it will cost me $38.50 per mirror and takes about 40mins. I was surprised as was expecting to pay more. I intend taking it in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: beerman on May 31, 2015, 10:34:44
No issue here.

If you push the mirrors out a bit you should be able to watch the car in the next lane from the rear mirror to the side mirror to your  peripheral vision. No need for the side check at all.....But you can do one if you like.

 
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: FatBoy on May 31, 2015, 10:39:58
This has been discussed before and from memory opinions were split about 50/50. Seems to depend on your previous cars. If you have had several with that feature you seem to get used to it.

How much is the conversion costing? I think, also from memory, that you can get stick on flat glass mirrors to suit, from Ebay. May be a cheaper option.
My Arncliffe Hyundai dealer referred me to Ralph Moore Autoglass at Mascot, and said the convex glass has to be removed and the new glass stuck to the backing plate or the moving mechanism will not move properly. I rang and was told it will cost me $38.50 per mirror and takes about 40mins. I was surprised as was expecting to pay more. I intend taking it in tomorrow.

That is a good price!!  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Dazzler on May 31, 2015, 11:28:03
 :whsaid:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: i30premy on May 31, 2015, 12:27:41
Hi, I also dislike the convex mirrors & bought a kit to replace them.

BUT - after removing the 1st one, discovered the convex glass had heater element attached, the replacement flat mirror doesn't have the element.
So decision time: stick with convex & heater or go with flat & no heater?
Unitil I can get a flat with heater I'm sticking with convex.

If you go ahead & can get a heater, can you let me know please & I'll call into your guy.

BTW it cost me $100? for the kit off eBay
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: elantraelite on May 31, 2015, 12:59:20
My previous cars were a X3 Excel and XD Elantra that didnt have the convex mirrors. It was a little odd at first, but after a few days I got used to it. i find I dont much of a blind spot with my i30cw
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Asterix on May 31, 2015, 13:34:10
I like the convex mirrors.  As you said, they give you a wider view. 

 :whsaid:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on May 31, 2015, 14:14:24
Hi, I also dislike the convex mirrors & bought a kit to replace them.

BUT - after removing the 1st one, discovered the convex glass had heater element attached, the replacement flat mirror doesn't have the element.
So decision time: stick with convex & heater or go with flat & no heater?
Unitil I can get a flat with heater I'm sticking with convex.

If you go ahead & can get a heater, can you let me know please & I'll call into your guy.

BTW it cost me $100? for the kit off eBay

I am not aware of any heater in my mirrors?  How do they operate?  as I have never noticed any buttons for this
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2015, 14:27:31
I am not aware of any heater in my mirrors?  How do they operate?  as I have never noticed any buttons for this
They operate when the rear window demist is turned on.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on May 31, 2015, 14:33:25
I am not aware of any heater in my mirrors?  How do they operate?  as I have never noticed any buttons for this
They operate when the rear window demist is turned on.
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors. I'll visit my Hyundai dealer again and ask him if there is any way around this.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: CraigB on May 31, 2015, 14:48:42
I am not aware of any heater in my mirrors?  How do they operate?  as I have never noticed any buttons for this
They operate when the rear window demist is turned on.
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors.
They are standard on all GD models, even the Actives http://www.hyundai.com.au/multimediafiles/cars/i30/pdf/hyundai_i30_specifications.pdf (http://www.hyundai.com.au/multimediafiles/cars/i30/pdf/hyundai_i30_specifications.pdf)
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Dazzler on June 01, 2015, 00:10:53
If you can get flat glass cut to size which will stick to original mirror glass can't see how it would stop the electric mirrors moving and may still defrost with transfer of heat from original mirror glass under it!  :idea: :winker:

I was pretty sure that someone on here had done this in the past?  :undecided:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 01, 2015, 00:13:27

I am not aware of any heater in my mirrors?  How do they operate?  as I have never noticed any buttons for this

If fitted, they come on when the rear window demist button is pressed.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Surferdude on June 01, 2015, 00:32:23

I am not aware of any heater in my mirrors?  How do they operate?  as I have never noticed any buttons for this

If fitted, they come on when the rear window demist button is pressed.
Even back in the early and basic FD's (like mine).
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: rustynutz on June 01, 2015, 01:22:55
I still hate them, and I've had my i30 for over 5 years now....  :fum:

I fail to see how something that makes objects appear further away can be considered safe....Would we consider it okay if glasses did the same thing???  :lol:

In my opinion I blame convex mirrors for some of the road rage out there as some drivers aren't realising they are carving across the nose of other drivers when changing lanes...
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on June 01, 2015, 04:28:16
Hi, I also dislike the convex mirrors & bought a kit to replace them.

BUT - after removing the 1st one, discovered the convex glass had heater element attached, the replacement flat mirror doesn't have the element.
So decision time: stick with convex & heater or go with flat & no heater?
Unitil I can get a flat with heater I'm sticking with convex.

If you go ahead & can get a heater, can you let me know please & I'll call into your guy.

BTW it cost me $100? for the kit off eBay
Found this on Ebay but is only for models up to 2012, couldn't find anything for 2013
  :link: HYUNDAI i30 2007-2012 DOOR DRIVER SIDE heated FLAT MIRROR GLASS | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XHYUNDAI+i30+2007-2012+DOOR+DRIVER+SIDE+heated+FLAT+MIRROR+GLASS.TRS0&_nkw=HYUNDAI+i30+2007-2012+DOOR+DRIVER+SIDE+heated+FLAT+MIRROR+GLASS&_sacat=0)
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Dazzler on June 01, 2015, 06:11:22
O.I.C. That must have been what I was thinking of!  :undecided:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on June 01, 2015, 10:07:19
If you go ahead & can get a heater, can you let me know please & I'll call into your guy.
BTW it cost me $100? for the kit off eBay

 :victory: I went to Ralph Moore Autoglass today and he was able to stick the flat mirrors on top of the existing ones as the curvature was not too extreme. Total cost $77 and took approx 1hour as he had to make the template first. Can't test the heating function till I go somewhere cold and misty but not too worried since silly me wasn't aware that I had that function.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: rustynutz on June 01, 2015, 10:13:01
Good news!  :goodjob:

I reckon I can count on one hand as to how many times I've used the rear demister on my i30 so it seems I can quite easily do without heated side mirrors...  :lol:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: eye30 on June 01, 2015, 17:52:09
I went to Ralph Moore Autoglass today and he was able to stick the flat mirrors on top of the existing ones as the curvature was not too extreme.

Can't test the heating function till I go somewhere cold and misty but not too worried since silly me wasn't aware that I had that function.

Won't the heat cause the glue to become loose and mirror fall off?

Quote from: Sydney Lady
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors. I'll visit my Hyundai dealer again and ask him if there is any way around this.


Are you 100% sure you actually have heated mirrors as some models did not have them
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Wingerdave on June 01, 2015, 18:40:35
Never been a problem. Just get used to it.  :)
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on June 01, 2015, 20:22:10
I went to Ralph Moore Autoglass today and he was able to stick the flat mirrors on top of the existing ones as the curvature was not too extreme.

Can't test the heating function till I go somewhere cold and misty but not too worried since silly me wasn't aware that I had that function.

Won't the heat cause the glue to become loose and mirror fall off?
It is silicone and they said it should be ok

Quote from: Sydney Lady
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors. I'll visit my Hyundai dealer again and ask him if there is any way around this.


Are you 100% sure you actually have heated mirrors as some models did not have them
see post #13,  it was in my specifications when I found the right section.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: elantraelite on June 01, 2015, 21:45:11
Heated mirrors is old news. This was standard on the 2000 XD Elantra GL - far out that was 15 years ago!
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Surferdude on June 01, 2015, 21:55:59
The heat is not excessive.  I've touched  mirror when the heaters are working.  Just warm. But they work well.  I sometimes leave my car in the driveway the night before to go surfing early. In winter th3 whole car is covered in dew and there's condensation on the mirrors.  They clear more quickly than the rear window.
I'd have to use a chamois on my Subarus or it'd still be there when I got to the beach.
I honestly don't see the need for curved mirrors but I have got used to them.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: eye30 on June 01, 2015, 23:13:33
I went to Ralph Moore Autoglass today and he was able to stick the flat mirrors on top of the existing ones as the curvature was not too extreme.

Can't test the heating function till I go somewhere cold and misty but not too worried since silly me wasn't aware that I had that function.

Won't the heat cause the glue to become loose and mirror fall off?
It is silicone and they said it should be ok

Quote from: Sydney Lady
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors. I'll visit my Hyundai dealer again and ask him if there is any way around this.


Are you 100% sure you actually have heated mirrors as some models did not have them
see post #13,  it was in my specifications when I found the right section.
You indicated you were going to the dealer to confirm.

Did they confirm you do not have heated?
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Surferdude on June 02, 2015, 03:30:33
I went to Ralph Moore Autoglass today and he was able to stick the flat mirrors on top of the existing ones as the curvature was not too extreme.

Can't test the heating function till I go somewhere cold and misty but not too worried since silly me wasn't aware that I had that function.

Won't the heat cause the glue to become loose and mirror fall off?
It is silicone and they said it should be ok

Quote from: Sydney Lady
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors. I'll visit my Hyundai dealer again and ask him if there is any way around this.


Are you 100% sure you actually have heated mirrors as some models did not have them
see post #13,  it was in my specifications when I found the right section.
You indicated you were going to the dealer to confirm.

Did they confirm you do not have heated?
I'm 90% sure all i30's have them in Australia.
They're listed as standard wherever I looked in the past.
However, my salesman, as good as he was in every other way, didn't know they were fitted.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Wingerdave on June 02, 2015, 07:53:06
Standard over here, too  :goodjob:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: crayman on June 02, 2015, 08:38:18
It's a funny world when it comes to cars.
My first imports had heated, convex and self cleaning mirrors but all that was disconnected and flat glass fitted when the vehicle was complied, too advanced for the Aus. driver apparently.
Every car I've driven in recent times has convex mirrors with that standard warning printed on the glass, "The vehicle in your mirror is slower than he thinks", or words to that effect.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Dazzler on June 02, 2015, 08:43:13
It's a funny world when it comes to cars.
My first imports had heated, convex and self cleaning mirrors but all that was disconnected and flat glass fitted when the vehicle was complied, too advanced for the Aus. driver apparently.
Every car I've driven in recent times has convex mirrors with that standard warning printed on the glass, "The vehicle in your mirror is slower than he thinks", or words to that effect.

Works for me!  :rofl: :goodjob:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Wingerdave on June 02, 2015, 09:44:14
"Objects in mirror are closer than they appear"

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Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Surferdude on June 02, 2015, 10:11:25
It's a funny world when it comes to cars.
My first imports had heated, convex and self cleaning mirrors but all that was disconnected and flat glass fitted when the vehicle was complied, too advanced for the Aus. driver apparently.
Every car I've driven in recent times has convex mirrors with that standard warning printed on the glass, "The vehicle in your mirror is slower than he thinks", or words to that effect.

 :rofl:

But they don't put that on any more either.
They seem to have stopped it when they went to both side mirrors being curved. I've only ever seen it on the left mirror.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on June 02, 2015, 12:49:53
I went to Ralph Moore Autoglass today and he was able to stick the flat mirrors on top of the existing ones as the curvature was not too extreme.

Can't test the heating function till I go somewhere cold and misty but not too worried since silly me wasn't aware that I had that function.

Won't the heat cause the glue to become loose and mirror fall off?
It is silicone and they said it should be ok

Quote from: Sydney Lady
Interesting, I just looked at the specifications for the i30 premium and it does not mention anything about heated mirrors. I'll visit my Hyundai dealer again and ask him if there is any way around this.


Are you 100% sure you actually have heated mirrors as some models did not have them
see post #13,  it was in my specifications when I found the right section.
You indicated you were going to the dealer to confirm.

Did they confirm you do not have heated?
That was before I saw they were listed in the specifications, so didn't bother going to dealer.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on June 02, 2015, 12:52:04
It's a funny world when it comes to cars.
My first imports had heated, convex and self cleaning mirrors but all that was disconnected and flat glass fitted when the vehicle was complied, too advanced for the Aus. driver apparently.
Every car I've driven in recent times has convex mirrors with that standard warning printed on the glass, "The vehicle in your mirror is slower than he thinks", or words to that effect.

 :rofl:

But they don't put that on any more either.
They seem to have stopped it when they went to both side mirrors being curved. I've only ever seen it on the left mirror.

The wording was written on both my mirrors 'objects in your mirror are closer than they seem' I think it said.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Surferdude on June 02, 2015, 13:53:28
It's a funny world when it comes to cars.
My first imports had heated, convex and self cleaning mirrors but all that was disconnected and flat glass fitted when the vehicle was complied, too advanced for the Aus. driver apparently.
Every car I've driven in recent times has convex mirrors with that standard warning printed on the glass, "The vehicle in your mirror is slower than he thinks", or words to that effect.

 :rofl:

But they don't put that on any more either.
They seem to have stopped it when they went to both side mirrors being curved. I've only ever seen it on the left mirror.

The wording was written on both my mirrors 'objects in your mirror are closer than they seem' I think it said.
Interesting.  Not on my 2009 i30, my wife's 3 year old Corolla or my daughter's 3 year old Accent.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: rustynutz on June 02, 2015, 23:51:51
Nor on my 2010 i30...  :undecided:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: FatBoy on June 03, 2015, 06:39:27
I can't recall there being the warning on the i30's mirrors, but in my Common-door ute, there is a warning on the passenger side mirror only.  That is the only one that is convex, and I believe is the only one that may require the extra rearview angle.  Regardless, you should turn your head to confirm that it is clear.  For those that say they don't turn their heads, I wonder how easy it is to look out the passenger side mirror without turning your head anyway, an extra 10 degrees won't hurt, and may stop you hitting something or somebody.  Like an unregistered cyclist.   :whistler:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: crayman on June 03, 2015, 08:51:07
On both mirrors on Mr's 2012 GD hatch.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: CraigB on June 03, 2015, 10:15:56
No warnings mentioned on either of my mirrors, I'm used to it now days though as all my cars over the last 10 or more years have been the same.
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Doggie 1 on June 03, 2015, 10:22:33
I didn't like the mirrors either when I first got them, but now I do.
I got used to the adjustment needed regarding distances and find them really good now due to the wider view.
Never have a problem, road rage or otherwise.
So I've moved from stage 1 to stage 2.  :D
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on July 26, 2015, 11:55:52
Hi, I also dislike the convex mirrors & bought a kit to replace them.

BUT - after removing the 1st one, discovered the convex glass had heater element attached, the replacement flat mirror doesn't have the element.
So decision time: stick with convex & heater or go with flat & no heater?
Unitil I can get a flat with heater I'm sticking with convex.

If you go ahead & can get a heater, can you let me know please & I'll call into your guy.

BTW it cost me $100? for the kit off eBay

Sorry for the delay in replying. I can confirm that I have heated side mirrors (the original ones) and the heat does come through to the stuck on flat ones. They are working fine and I am happy with the result.  :happydance:
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: eye30 on July 26, 2015, 14:53:23
I can confirm that I have heated side mirrors (the original ones) and the heat does come through to the stuck on flat ones. They are working fine and I am happy with the result.  :happydance:

Won't the heat cause the glue to weaken and the mirror fall off?
Title: Re: Convex side mirrors - I don't like them
Post by: Sydney Lady on July 26, 2015, 16:34:32
I can confirm that I have heated side mirrors (the original ones) and the heat does come through to the stuck on flat ones. They are working fine and I am happy with the result.  :happydance:

Won't the heat cause the glue to weaken and the mirror fall off?
They don't seem affected. I've only used the heating twice when I was in Canberra. I'm sure I was told it wouldn't be a problem.
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