Post by: CraigB on June 09, 2016, 05:04:39
Next mod is to install these into my low beams once I get back from Vietnam, a few mates have done it recently and they're brilliant so I had me feelers to the ground and managed to score a pair for $220 :happydance: usually $345, still waiting for the socket adaptors which will allow me to mount them properly.
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Post by: Phil №❶ on June 09, 2016, 06:11:40
Post by: Javich on June 09, 2016, 06:15:07
Glad that you took the next step.
Post by: CraigB on June 09, 2016, 11:28:24
I'll wait for the Led's :DThey wont fit on the GD, the ballasts are to big and cant close the headlight dust cap without modifying it.
Socket adaptors? I must be missing something. Is it possible to have some pictures when you get to the task?Socket adaptors are required to secure the H7 bulbs in place for the low beams, the power plug is what contains the securing clip for the bulbs and if you change to any other bulb type ( LED - HID ) then the power plug is not used for securing and an adaptor is needed to lock the bulbs in place.
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 09, 2016, 11:31:13
Post by: CraigB on June 09, 2016, 11:36:36
I know they don't fit, but I'd modify the dust caps when I'm ready.That was an option though I didn't really want to modify them, the HID's are a bit brighter than the LED's as well so that was what I'm really looking for.
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 09, 2016, 12:01:17
Post by: rustynutz on June 10, 2016, 01:10:11
Post by: CraigB on June 10, 2016, 05:41:01
You're not worried about the HID's being illegal, Craig? :undecided:Nope, the low beams are projectors which look like a HID setup anyway and some of me mates that have converted their lights are the local law enforcement so if they can get away with it then so can I :D
Just have to make sure the beams are set correctly so I don't dazzle anyone.
Post by: rustynutz on June 11, 2016, 03:37:26
Post by: The Gonz on June 11, 2016, 03:44:17
* Very sad electrical engineering pun
Post by: rustynutz on June 11, 2016, 03:51:07
Post by: CraigB on June 11, 2016, 04:07:47
Good to see your copper mates setting a good example, Craig... :head_butt:They're all just normal people too :)
Post by: The Gonz on June 11, 2016, 04:14:17
Think I'll pass, I don't have enough money to pay bribes. :crazy1:Drive around with a military Staff College sticker on your windscreen and you're well and truly left alone, even saluted. They just LOVE to salute. I'll sell you my sticker if you want to move here. You know what they say: in Indonesia, every interaction is a transaction. :winker:
Post by: rustynutz on June 11, 2016, 06:22:52
Good to see your copper mates setting a good example, Craig... :head_butt:They're all just normal people too :)
Who have taken an oath... :winker:
Post by: CraigB on June 11, 2016, 09:57:29
An oath to not install HID's :whistler: :rolleyes:Good to see your copper mates setting a good example, Craig... :head_butt:They're all just normal people too :)
Who have taken an oath... :winker:
Post by: rustynutz on June 11, 2016, 11:00:56
Post by: CraigB on June 11, 2016, 11:18:54
Post by: rustynutz on June 11, 2016, 12:14:12
Post by: CraigB on June 11, 2016, 15:31:02
Lets not worry about the poor buggers that get blinded by them... :head_knock:As I mentioned previously they need to be adjusted correctly.
Lets not ruin another topic with debates Rusty, whether it's right or wrong it's not your concern.
Post by: rustynutz on June 11, 2016, 16:13:45
Post by: CraigB on June 11, 2016, 16:29:09
Post by: mrexcitement on June 15, 2016, 01:21:54
Post by: Dazzler on June 15, 2016, 06:18:31
Post by: beerman on June 15, 2016, 09:12:51
Some stupid amount of money to replace a blown headlight (turns out the ballast was stuffed too)
Even getting the ballast from the wreckers he was significantly out of pocket
Post by: rustynutz on June 15, 2016, 11:52:29
If you're involved in an accident your insurance company may very well decline your claim.
Are you willing to take that risk? :undecided:
Post by: CraigB on June 15, 2016, 13:32:12
Are these the headlights my mate with a Lexus is swearing about?Actually the Philips HID upgrade replacement bulbs are cheaper than Philips Halogens.
Some stupid amount of money to replace a blown headlight (turns out the ballast was stuffed too)
Even getting the ballast from the wreckers he was significantly out of pocket
Philips White Vision are $90 a pair at Supercheap and roughly $50 through Ebay, the HID's are about $35, top quality Philips Ballasts should last the life of the car.
Post by: Raid on June 17, 2016, 04:21:32
I went for 6000k and I got a pair in my car as spare in case I need it but haven't had any trouble from them yet.
Just a piece of advice CraigB some of them HID's play with your radio whenever you put your lights on your radio isn't clear if you know what I mean but you won't regret it mate.
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Post by: CraigB on June 17, 2016, 12:40:45
Post by: Raid on June 18, 2016, 18:27:36
Thanks for the advice Raid :goodjob2: that's one of the reasons I chose the Philips one's as they have a better ballast with twin inline resistor's (ECM)Good choice mate
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Post by: CraigB on July 07, 2016, 14:30:17
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All nice and neat :)
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Post by: Dazzler on July 07, 2016, 23:41:52
I put those H7 "Xenon" globes in Trish's tourer as it was going to be a huge job to do the low beams in my Calais. She is happy with the change. :faint: :goodjob:
Post by: CraigB on July 08, 2016, 03:16:18
Very impressive Craig! :mrgreen:Thanks Dazz :)
I put those H7 "Xenon" globes in Trish's tourer as it was going to be a huge job to do the low beams in my Calais. She is happy with the change. :faint: :goodjob:
Since the HID's have now replaced those H7 Xenon low beams my father has decided he'll be the new owner of them bulbs :) I've still got another pair of them sitting around here which I'll sell to one of the friends or family.
Post by: Dazzler on July 08, 2016, 04:06:14
I'd buy them if I didn't have to dismantle half the engine bay to get at them.Very impressive Craig! :mrgreen:Thanks Dazz :)
I put those H7 "Xenon" globes in Trish's tourer as it was going to be a huge job to do the low beams in my Calais. She is happy with the change. :faint: :goodjob:
Since the HID's have now replaced those H7 Xenon low beams my father has decided he'll be the new owner of them bulbs :) I've still got another pair of them sitting around here which I'll sell to one of the friends or family.
Post by: CraigB on July 08, 2016, 04:12:59
I'd buy them if I didn't have to dismantle half the engine bay to get at them.They weren't difficult to replace in my VT Clubby or VY SS ute from memory, what the hell did Holden do to your model :disapp:
Post by: Dazzler on July 08, 2016, 07:47:57
Post by: BozoBill1 on July 11, 2016, 11:16:58
Any clues on where and how to mount the ballasts would be welcome. With photos if possible.
Post by: CraigB on July 11, 2016, 11:31:06
I have a 2008 and looked at converting the high beams to HID but the engine bay is so crowded that I didn't proceed.There are some hints in the pictures I supplied but for GD.
Any clues on where and how to mount the ballasts would be welcome. With photos if possible.
mrexcitement has done the upgrade on an FD so he might have some advice for you.
Post by: mrexcitement on July 11, 2016, 22:52:46
Post by: rustynutz on July 16, 2016, 03:29:37
Talk about bright! Every time I checked where he was in my mirrors I ended up half blinded... :mad:
The sooner cops crack down on these inconsiderate so & so's the better! :spitty:
Post by: CraigB on July 16, 2016, 06:59:36
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 16, 2016, 12:45:26
Post by: CraigB on July 16, 2016, 14:07:18
Post by: PhireSideZA on July 16, 2016, 17:18:14
Some might recall I had el cheapo HID's installed into Hippo shortly after I got her. I had an issue where my right side light would not always ignite properly and after changing ballasts and globes and struggling with it resetting my radio every once in a while I decided to remove it and reinstalled my plain old halogen H7's.
The light output from the 55W globes are on par with the 35W HID's, but they were causing me hassles so they will be donated to my friend who wants to go the HID route in his Lancer.
That said, your install looks great, Craig...well done. I surely will miss mine but not the headaches it gave me. Now I need to replace my LED parking bulbs as they look really out of place amongst all the other quartz halogen bulbs
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Post by: CraigB on July 16, 2016, 17:56:38
Philips 55w white vision bulbs are 1500lm
Philips 35w HID bulbs are 1600lm...the 35w DS1 and DS2 type factory HID's are 3200lm
The standard Osram bulbs that were factory installed are also 1500lm according to their website, so it's the colour temperature that makes the real difference
Post by: Phil №❶ on July 17, 2016, 02:26:15
Post by: CraigB on July 17, 2016, 07:03:02
Post by: beerman on July 17, 2016, 08:20:34
Last night as I was heading home on the scoot, I ended up with some clown behind me with what I reckon were low beam HID's fitted.
Talk about bright! Every time I checked where he was in my mirrors I ended up half blinded... :mad:
The sooner cops crack down on these inconsiderate so & so's the better! :spitty:
I used to feel that way about motorbikes lane splitting.
FYI such technical breaches would usually be handled by transport, but don't hold your breath they arn't rushing to catch those motorbikes that modify their exausts so as to hurt the ears of those who dare to walk on the footpath.
Post by: PhireSideZA on July 17, 2016, 08:34:14
Part of the problem I had was that I should have done it properly from the start and installed a relay instead of having it work through the car wiring loom.
The other issue is space as I wasn't too keen on cutting holes through my dust covers. I have since reverted to halogen and sealed up the holes I had to cut for the HID install where the ballasts were attached. The LED kits also need quite a bit of space for the drivers and heatsinks and certain brands don't like being installed into sealed enclosures such as those on the FD i30 (and I presume the GD i30 too) due to the amount of heat they generate.
From the looks of it you get HID kits and then you get "HID kits" and the quality differs so much between the different manufacturers. I haven't followed this thread from the start but my advice to anyone trying the HID route: If I can add my 2c, rather spend the $$$ and get proper kit than do it as cheap as possible and hope for the best like I did :D
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Post by: CraigB on July 17, 2016, 10:50:27
From the looks of it you get HID kits and then you get "HID kits" and the quality differs so much between the different manufacturers. I haven't followed this thread from the start but my advice to anyone trying the HID route: If I can add my 2c, rather spend the $$$ and get proper kit than do it as cheap as possible and hope for the best like I did :DThat's why I bought the Philips HID's, they're the best :) I was lucky to get them for $220 as I've noticed lately they've been bumped up to $535 through some of the Aussie eBay suppliers :eek:
Post by: rustynutz on July 17, 2016, 14:22:00
For all you know the car Rusty is referring to might have factory HID's anyway, what make's it worse is many people act like a deer in the spotlight and stare straight at it :rolleyes: ( which only makes it worse ) rather than doing the smart thing which is to look to the lower left away from the lights.
If only it was that easy...
I was keeping an eye on my mirrors to see exactly where he was, it's pretty hard to look in a mirror without looking at the mirror... :crazy1:
I used to feel that way about motorbikes lane splitting.
Good try, but motorcycle lane filtering has never been illegal, installing aftermarket low beam HID's without the self levelling and washers is... :rolleyes:
Those that install them are basically thinking only of themselves and are pretty much giving oncoming drivers the finger.
Here's some info on HID's:
:link: Are HID Kits Legal or Safe? | XTREMEREVOLUTION.NET (http://xtremerevolution.net/are-hid-kits-legal-or-safe/)
:link: Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html)
:link: Illegal HID conversion kits explained - Auto Express - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Y5n38wDe684)
Post by: CraigB on July 17, 2016, 15:00:41
Also as I mentioned the vehicle could have had legal factory installed HID's and you wouldn't know, or possibly they were LED's! do you know the difference when someone is driving behind you at night "I doubt it"For all you know the car Rusty is referring to might have factory HID's anyway, what make's it worse is many people act like a deer in the spotlight and stare straight at it :rolleyes: ( which only makes it worse ) rather than doing the smart thing which is to look to the lower left away from the lights.
If only it was that easy...
I was keeping an eye on my mirrors to see exactly where he was, it's pretty hard to look in a mirror without looking at the mirror... :crazy1:
Interestingly enough your first link describes where headlight housings can be retrofitted with projectors to cure any beam displacement issues and being that the GD i30s have lowbeam projectors already in place then I see no issue with having them installed, my beam patterns cut of perfectly and I've even tested them with myself in another vehicle coming in the opposite direction towards my car and they are fine.
Post by: rustynutz on July 18, 2016, 03:01:30
Get over it Rusty, no one cares :rolleyes: wait till you get some extra bright LED's behind you! they're unregulated and can be much brighter than HID's
The only people that don't care are the people that are illegally fitting them, Craig... :head_butt:
As for LED's being unregulated, who told you that?
They are covered by ADR's too....check out this link (https://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/safety-on-the-road/driving-safely/headlights#tab-phracq_body_1_phracq_contentcontainer_0_phracq_tabs_containerc034a2d8098d418d83769bd929beb6b4_3_divTab) and read what they say about LED headlights.
At the end of the day all headlights are also covered by this:
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Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver's vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user.
Interestingly enough your first link describes where headlight housings can be retrofitted with projectors to cure any beam displacement issues and being that the GD i30s have lowbeam projectors already in place then I see no issue with having them installed, my beam patterns cut of perfectly and I've even tested them with myself in another vehicle coming in the opposite direction towards my car and they are fine.
All that is moot though, because however much you try to justify them, they are still illegal... :victory:
Post by: CraigB on July 18, 2016, 11:20:57
Post by: rustynutz on July 18, 2016, 12:53:09
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Post by: CraigB on July 18, 2016, 13:12:31
From the same section... :DRusty I wont be removing the lights for whatever reason you'd like to come up with, they're behind a projector beam setup - they're under the 2000lm limit - and they're also under the 6700k spectrum limit so as far as I'm concerned it's safe and doesn't affect other drivers, I couldn't give a rats what you or anybody else thinks about it so give it a rest and bugger off and pester someone else.
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Post by: rustynutz on July 18, 2016, 13:26:44
I didn't expect you to, Craig... :P
but, for those that may be thinking of installing HID's, it doesn't hurt to have all the facts out there so they can make an informed decision.
Post by: CraigB on July 18, 2016, 13:42:44
Post by: rustynutz on July 18, 2016, 14:02:53
Post by: CraigB on July 18, 2016, 14:25:16
Post by: Raid on August 27, 2016, 23:59:54
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Post by: Just Rick on August 28, 2016, 04:37:09
Read the second sentence of reply 19 Rusty, I know the laws but maybe you require hearing it in plain English "I don't care"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: .The word is D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. Craig
Post by: Just Rick on August 28, 2016, 04:44:36
I'll wait for the Led's :D
Been doing a lot of research on these Phil,they are becoming better and better,I have been looking into getting a set for Alvin,not cheap but if they do in fact give the results the reports are suggesting and they work in Alvin,THERE WILL BE a set going into Bruce,just plag and play no modifications required,as for there legality D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. END OF STORY
If they can be brought out on new cars to blind the F#*k out of me when I'm doing my country driving(where I need great lighting)why am I with a slighlty older car not be able to recipricate
Post by: CraigB on August 28, 2016, 05:15:18
CraigB how you getting on with the HID's mate hope u like it as of mine I love mine and will never change back.Very happy with them and wont be changing them back either.
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I also like the idea of the LED's though fitment space is very limited on the GD's and if a cooling fan fails you can cook the bulb mounting and surrounds.
Post by: CraigB on August 28, 2016, 05:17:18
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: .The word is D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. Craig:lol: We even have a smiley for it Rick :dilligaf:
Post by: Raid on August 28, 2016, 07:46:02
Good job mateCraigB how you getting on with the HID's mate hope u like it as of mine I love mine and will never change back.Very happy with them and wont be changing them back either.
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I also like the idea of the LED's though fitment space is very limited on the GD's and if a cooling fan fails you can cook the bulb mounting and surrounds.
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Post by: mjt57 on August 30, 2016, 02:24:11
Either Jeep makes crappy headlights or that Hyundai makes fantastic halogen ones.
Having said that my wife's ix35 (2014) has reasonable headlights. Dunno if they're HIDs or conventional ones.
Post by: CraigB on August 30, 2016, 07:02:22
My Jeep Grand Cherokee has bi-xenon (or HID) headlights. I don't find them to be any better than the i30's headlights (2011 model) when I had it.Then I'd say they either need some adjustment or the bulbs are on their way out, I have 3 mates that together all bought 2015 Grand Cherokee's on a lease agreement and I find their xenon's are excellent, even brighter than mine and a touch more blue from a distance.
Post by: mjt57 on September 02, 2016, 03:18:36
Then I'd say they either need some adjustment or the bulbs are on their way out,
They shouldn't be (wearing out, that is). The car's brand new, almost. I got it in Oct 2015. First test was a night time drive out towards work where there's no ambient light (street lights, etc.).
I was disappointed with them. As for adjustment, they aren't pointing to the heavens nor are they focusing two feet in front of the car.
Maybe just poor design. The i30's for conventional halogens, did a good job, I thought.