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GOT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES? => PETROL => Topic started by: L30N on November 20, 2009, 17:04:31
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Over the last couple of days I am noticing a course grinding sound when revving and taking foot off accelerator. This happens both when the car is moving or stationary but is most noticable at low speeds. Car was only serviced 2000 miles ago and oil/water levels, brake pads/discs were OK. Has anyone else encountered this? Hoping to get it looked at soon.
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Until I saw that it happens when stationary I would have expected a wheel bearing. (sounds like a bearing of some sort)
Like they say in Monopoly go straight to your dealer do not pass go do not collect...
But seriously I wouldn't be driving it for a couple of days with a problem like that might void your warranty if a small issue turns into a big one... (tell them it just started...)
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Does it do it when the clutch pedal is depressed ?
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Does it do it when the clutch pedal is depressed ?
Are you thinking a throwout bearing in the clutch... :idea:
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Yes Dazz, that was one theory and just trying to rule out any of the clutch components.
As you said it sounds like a bearing of some sort, I wonder if the grinding noise increases when the engine revs are higher, if so I would also be considering the alternator or water pump as the easier options.
I have an issue on my car at the moment, but I’ll discuss that on a new post, not going to hijack this one :eek:
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What about the gear box it self
No oil?
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Hmm - been for a short run this morning and it seems to come and go. A passenger wouldn't notice but of course we know exactly how our i30s usually sound. Clutch pedal makes no difference, hard to tell where the noise is coming from but seems to be underneath towards front. Most apparent when accelerating/ pulling away. Had new wheels and tyres fitted 2 weeks ago (225/45/17) and thought it might be those rubbing but doesn't explain why noise occurs when car at a standstill. Will take it to dealer this week, a bit concerned that having 'aftermarket' OEM wheels could lead to warranty issues? Still have old wheels with legal tyres so could put them back on.
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a bit concerned that having 'aftermarket' OEM wheels could lead to warranty issues? Still have old wheels with legal tyres so could put them back on.
I'd be putting them on now then see if noise is still present.
You never know, it could be the OEM wheels causing the noise.
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I was thinking it sounded like the brakes binding but not while it's stationary..You might have to change the wheels back befoe you take it in just to see...(Is it worth asking the wheel & tyre people for an opinion?
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noise occurs when car at a standstill.
That would suggest that it is engine / clutch related.
So only engine auxiliary drive belt (belt tensioner pulley/air con/alternator/water pump bearings) or clutch thrust bearing.
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noise occurs when car at a standstill.
That would suggest that it is engine / clutch related.
Idler gear if they still have such a thing on modern cars.
Many years ago my dad had a persistent noise and it was the idler gear which was loose in its housing
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I was going for clutch release bearing, but that would change pitch when the pedal was depressed, so perhaps not...............
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Thanks for all the suggestions, the sound will no doubt disappear when I take it to the garage :rolleyes:
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Visited the dealer on Friday, no further forward after an hour long inspection. They acknowledged the noise but could not pinpoint the problem except that is coming from the engine, possibly a drive bearing or other part not running true. Sounds a bit like a kettle boiling dry. I was told to go back in if it gets worse, but that it could take several days to diagnose/fix under warranty. So it's up to me whether to carry on as normal or be without the car for a week. Forgot to ask what courtesy car would be available - a new i30, Coupe or 4x4 I could live with!
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Very frustrating 4 you M8 :'(
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Is it loud enough to record?
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I had a similar noise on one of my cars. I removed the belt, run the engine and the noise disappeared. I believed at that point it was either the water pump or alternator, turned out to be the alternator.
The symptoms you describe, keeps leading me to think of a bearing. Not properly explored my i30 yet, as I have only just got the car, but I have noticed it has a fair sized belt and probably has a good few bearings around it.
Would it not be possible for the garage to run an i30 engine with the belt off for a short period of time, to try and narrow things down a bit :question:
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If its possibly the a pump or alternator you can carefully push a length 1x1 wood against each the body of each in turn, and llistening to the other end of the wood you soon hear which if either are making the noise. Keep away from the belt obviously.
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If its possibly the a pump or alternator you can carefully push a length 1x1 wood against each the body of each in turn, and llistening to the other end of the wood you soon hear which if either are making the noise. Keep away from the belt obviously.
Great suggestion Lorian (hope you are right) That would be the 2nd time in a month "we" :wink: :D have fixed a problem the dealer couldn't... :lol:
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If its possibly the a pump or alternator you can carefully push a length 1x1 wood against each the body of each in turn, and llistening to the other end of the wood you soon hear which if either are making the noise. Keep away from the belt obviously.
Even better, if you have a stethoscope, place it on the end of the piece of wood and listen through that. While you could use the stethoscope directly on the component, that would be a bit dangerous.
Stethoscopes can be used to find the source of all number of noises. I've even used one to work out which poly pipe led to a particular tap (there were four identical pipes in the same trench) by getting my daughter to turn a tap on and off while listening through a stethoscope to each pipe. I wanted to cut into the correct pipe to put another tap in the correct line and I could hear the water flow stop and start very clearly.
Every mechanic and handyman should have a stethoscope handy.
Bob
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Every mechanic and handyman should have a stethoscope handy.
Bob
Interesting idea Bob are they very dear to buy and easy to get?
Edit: quick google search... from around A$60 :razz: (choice of colour - that's a bonus)
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Every mechanic and handyman should have a stethoscope handy.
Bob
Interesting idea Bob are they very dear to buy and easy to get?
Edit: quick google search... from around A$60 :razz: (choice of colour - that's a bonus)
Never had to buy one Dazz - since I work in a school, I just go to the science lab and borrow one. Now it looks like I'm up for $60 when I retire.
Bob
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Every mechanic has a tool-box full of stethoscopes. A screwdriver!
Handle pressed to the ear and the other end on the bit to listen to. Often times you need a large screwdriver, perhaps 450mm (18").
If the noise you are chasing is audible I can hardly believe you need a more sensitive instrument.
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I prefer to mess about with my lump of wood (!) because its an insulator.
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I've used a screw driver and once i used a cricket wicket,they both work.i find a screw driver works better though. :cool:
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Yup, I am a screwdriver man myself, the insulation comes in the form of a moulded handle :D
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Just been to Edinburgh for a couple of days and a new sound has appeared, a loud howl from engine occurring when accelerating at the 3000rpm mark. On the 1.4 petrol this means approx 40mph in 3rd gear, 50mph in 4th or 60mph in 5th. Happens in all gears including neutral (not tried reverse :wink:). Don't usually hit these revs in everyday driving but it's common when going up hills and dropping down a couple of gears. Oddly the noise disappears when over 3200rpm, eg 70mph+ in 5th. It is difficult to tell as we had a full load and roof rack but car seems a bit more sluggish pulling away than usual. Fuel economy seems 10% down on usual but this could be affected by other variables. Another visit to dealer beckons....
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Sorry to hear of your woes L30N
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Damn man!
Are you able to record it and upload it to youtube? Then we could get a better idea?
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Yup, I am a screwdriver man myself, the insulation comes in the form of a moulded handle :D
Handle doesn't help when you put it down, knock it on to the battery, where attempts to weld itself in place :eek: - yes I know I'm stoopid.
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My other half encountered a loud bang when driving on Monday night. Grinding/howling noise gone. Noticed battery light was on Tuesday morning, reported problem to dealer who couldn't fit me in until Dec 29th. Told the dealer it was unlikely I would make it that long. Hoped to get home to recharge battery but broke down Tuesday afternoon with pregnant partner and 20 month old toddler in car. Phoned breakdown recovery, alternator pulley/pump had fallen off (well done those who guessed right, pity the dealer couldn't see the problem in the first instance). A bit surreal being towed across the Tyne Bridge in Christmas rush hour in the snow. So I'm driving a 1.2 Corsa over the holidays until my i30 is fixed. :'(
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What a fine bloody christmas pressie that is :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Sorry to hear that mate. Hope she's fixed up soon. Sympathies with the Corsa :'(
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Glad you now know what the problem was and it not being a major job by the sound of it, at least you have a replacement car to be getting on with. Just check with the mechanic that it did not fly off and cause any other damage.
Good Luck with the new baby.
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Sorry to hear of your problem.
If you described the problem to the garage as you did here then they probably did know the problem but actually did you a favour. At the time it might not have felt so.
If you to it to or the garage recovered the car and they couldn't fix it before the Xmas holiday then the breakdown cover for a courtesy car wouldn't kick in.
I understand that the cover for the courtesy car only kicks in with a "breakdown" and an RAC call out and has to be done via the RAC patrol call centre.
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Got a call today from service dept - car needs new water pump. I was expecting maybe another couple of days but was informed it won't be available until 13th January. I spoke to one of the mechanics who confirmed that 4 of them had pondered over the original noise with stethoscopes :cool: It was very sad to see my i30 sitting there in the compound, brake discs rusting in the sleet. :'(
Had to return the Corsa and pick up another courtesy car, this time from a hire company (apparently when a part is on back order Hyundai UK take over responsibility for the replacement vehicle). Was given a 3 door Nissan Micra, have voiced disapproval* at this and am awaiting a response from Hyundai who wouldn't pay for anything more. Apparently it's common practice to receive a 'downgrade' in such circumstances as manufacturers don't like you driving a same sector model from one of their rivals. I suppose I should be grateful to have a car but it's a bit of a squeeze with all of the stuff we carry around. :mad:
Can't wait to get my i30 back, now I know what those of you that have waited so long for delivery feel like!
*nothing to do with them being made in Sunderland
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Got a call today from service dept - car needs new water pump. ...
At least it's being sorted, so that's good news :D
I've had courtesy cars which [to me] were below the standard I'd expect, but it's transport after all...
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Thanks Shambles yes that's true. Thought I'd add that Hyundai have had no other reported occurrences of this problem so hopefully it's a one-off.
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car needs new water pump. I was expecting maybe another couple of days but was informed it won't be available until 13th January.
Given that the car is made just over the stream, English Channel, I would have expected that the part would be available ASAP. Have the not heard of "next day delivery" couriers.
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I would be disappointed if the part was not available next working day, even this time of year.
It they couldn't decide if it was the pump or alternator I would have also expected them to replace one and see if the noise went away. Simple binary problem solving.
Maybe I expect too much.
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I can't understand the wait either - can only think that it is coming from Korea (due into this country on the 13th). In which case assuming the new Czech built models have the same part, are there none held in Europe? I should have asked the question.
Managed to get another 5 door Corsa from Hyundai today so getting our daughter in and out is a bit easier than the Micra.
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I can't understand the wait either - can only think that it is coming from Korea (due into this country on the 13th). In which case assuming the new Czech built models have the same part, are there none held in Europe? I should have asked the question.
Managed to get another 5 door Corsa from Hyundai today so getting our daughter in and out is a bit easier than the Micra.
You could email customer services and ask what the delay is. They are pretty prompt at replying in my experience:
http://www.hyundai.co.uk/contact/
I'd be quite interested in their excuse.
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It they couldn't decide if it was the pump or alternator I would have also expected them to replace one and see if the noise went away.
Lorian, you can bet that if it was an out of warranty problem they would have changed something just so they can charge you !
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Part is coming by sea, due into Tilbury docks 13th Jan with the next shipment of cars. Asked where it was coming from and they said Belgium?? Not sure if they meant the part or the boat. I will be surprised if it arrives on time so reckon it will be end of month before car is back on the road. Not that I'm driving very far at the moment.
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The i30's come on a ferry from Calais to Dover.
You are very patient, I would have requested them take one of whatever new car they had in the showroom by now.
I must say this is a disappointment as it possibly indicates that Hyundai don't appear to carry adequate spare part inventory in the UK at this time. Of course it also tends to indicate they are not experiencing many failures.
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Ahh yes. The old weld itself to the battery trick.
Did it with a dropped shifter once.
Battery actually blew up. :-[
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Any results yet????
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i cant stand the wait. :P
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Got her back :) :)
Part arrived on 12th, fitted and tested in an hour. Service dept was closed when I got to dealer so didn't get a chance to ask any questions. Great to be driving the i30 again, forgot how lively the bite is on the petrol after driving the Corsa for 2 weeks.
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All sorted? Great news :D
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good stuff :D
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Good stuff im glad its all worked out for you....
Hopefully thats the end of the troubles...... (Touch Wood) lol
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By the way, they did replenish my coolant, oil and washer levels so at least I got something out of it :)
I have attached a (poor quality) sound clip of the engine sound before repair.
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I couldn't hear much so I converted it to mp3 (attached below). Need to turn volume up but you can make out the grinding :eek:
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I couldn't hear much so I converted it to mp3 (attached below). Need to turn volume up but you can make out the grinding :eek:
Sounds more like a badly dubbed dinosaur :lol:
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Glad she's fixed and you are enjoying her again Leon :mrgreen: :mrgreen: