Post by: eye30 on October 20, 2017, 17:35:49
The tyres are the original hankook 195/65 r15 h rated kinergy eco r425's.
As we are moving towards the bad weather, not that the summer has been great!! I'll be replacing soon so was wondering what others have decided when replacing if they have the same.
Have you replaced like with like or bought different brand..
Checking the web sites for the tyre they show b rate for fuel, b for wet and 69db
I've no complaint about the brand/tyre as they have held the road well, not much noise on road but saying that depending on road finish some roads slightly noisier! And a good ride..
View welcome as always............
Post by: asathorny on October 20, 2017, 19:56:48
I was very happy with the Cross Climates and there was a SLIGHT noise reduction :goodjob: :goodjob:
Post by: Dazzler on October 20, 2017, 21:12:00
Post by: eye30 on October 20, 2017, 22:57:32
I get the impression you don't do a lot of driving Lester. Mainly shorter runs? If you are only changing two, I would stick with the same brand (hate seeing mixed tyres on a car). Just shop around for the best price. :cool:Yes just turned 20,000 miles in just over 5 years....
No commuting just to shops and the odd burst along the motorway for days out......
Post by: Surferdude on October 20, 2017, 23:13:10
If you've been happy with them, don't change.
Although they may have been superceded.
Post by: mickd on October 21, 2017, 01:25:06
"When you're on a good thing, stick to it !"
Post by: nzenigma on October 21, 2017, 04:32:06
not much noise on road
Thats because you only did 20,000 miles in just over 5 years :cool:
Post by: The Gonz on October 21, 2017, 04:58:08
not much noise on roadNot much road :whistler:
Post by: beerman on October 21, 2017, 09:47:40
Otherwise given your lack of km I would be tempted to rotate them and not worry about it for a year or so.
Post by: eye30 on October 21, 2017, 10:12:14
Pull the spare out and buy one.....If the pattern has changed find a similar wreck and buy the new spare out of that.Unfortunately the spare is a space saver.
Otherwise given your lack of km I would be tempted to rotate them and not worry about it for a year or so.
Can't rotate as although they are still legal, greater than 1.6mm, i expect they will be below that minimum soon'ish.
Also, i read that drivers think the tyres with more tread should be on the drive wheels, i.e. front for the i30 as fwd, but in fact the rear should have the deeper tread.
So in my situation the rear will be circa 1.8mm and front 4.5mm which if the article is correct may cause the car to loose rear end grip.
Checking internet the same tyre is available with same pattern.
Post by: Surferdude on October 21, 2017, 10:32:58
We've had this discussion on here before.Pull the spare out and buy one.....If the pattern has changed find a similar wreck and buy the new spare out of that.Unfortunately the spare is a space saver.
Otherwise given your lack of km I would be tempted to rotate them and not worry about it for a year or so.
Can't rotate as although they are still legal, greater than 1.6mm, i expect they will be below that minimum soon'ish.
Also, i read that drivers think the tyres with more tread should be on the drive wheels, i.e. front for the i30 as fwd, but in fact the rear should have the deeper tread.
So in my situation the rear will be circa 1.8mm and front 4.5mm which if the article is correct may cause the car to loose rear end grip.
It was always the policy that front tyres should have the best tread on the basis that they do your steering and if one is subject to a blowout or puncture (both more likely if the tread is almost gone), then it's better to have that happen on the back.
HOWEVER, somewhere along the way, it was decided by do-gooders and "experts" that it was better in an emergency to have understeer rather than oversteer so the position was reversed. That has become ensconced in the advice from all tyre companies now.
So, you are correct in your assumption.
BUT. I can assure you that most tyre experienced and thinking fitters will still prefer to fit the best tyres on the front.
My preference is certainly to have the best on the front for the following reasons.
1/ You don't want a blowout or flat to happen on the front.
2/ The better tread on the front allows more positive steering.
3/ Putting a lower tread depth on the front will increase (significantly) your chances of aquaplaning (or a brake lock up if you don't have anti-lock braking.
But those are just my own opinions and observations.
And probably the best option is to rotate your tyres so all four reach replacement depth at about the same time and put four new ones on.
Of course, then some people say, "I can't afford to replace all four at once". But if you rotate sensibly your tyres will last longer and you'll have more time to save for replacements.
Post by: xiziz on October 21, 2017, 16:43:34
Long story short, the car flipped and the rear end dug into a snowbank on the opposite side of the road. A local helped me tow the car up(no damage thanks to lots of snow). Rotated them as soon as I got back home, if there is any chance of all four loosing grip you want the best on rear, last thing you want is the car flipping into oncoming traffic.
Now, surferdudes points are very valid, and I usually run the best tires up front(on fwd) in the summer(to balance wear on them so I can replace all four at the same time), since the risks are different from in the winter(which i replace all four when the first tire gets to 3mm or starts loosing grip).
With 4.5mm left, I would only buy two new ones, because winter is coming I would put them on the rear. If your happy with the brand you got, no point in changing unless you want a tire better suited for the wet climate.
Im replacing my 4 summer tires before next season and leaning towards either nokian hakka green2 or goodyear efficentgrip preformance.
Post by: eye30 on October 21, 2017, 18:42:17
Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results
Post by: asathorny on October 21, 2017, 19:45:24
Worth a read
Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results
:link: Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results » Oponeo.co.uk (https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results)
Now just let me be clear on this Lester, we are talking about your bicycle here aren't we :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1:
Post by: Dazzler on October 21, 2017, 20:05:46
Worth a read
Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results
:link: Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results » Oponeo.co.uk (https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results)
My conclusion after reading that and hearing Trevor's feedback is to do what I have always done in the past. Rotate tyres regularly so they all wear at a similar rate, then replace all four at once or trade it on another car. :victory:
Post by: eye30 on October 21, 2017, 20:08:23
Tyre on that are slicksWorth a read
Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results
:link: Better Tyres In The Front Or Rear? Test Results » Oponeo.co.uk (https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results)
Now just let me be clear on this Lester, we are talking about your bicycle here aren't we :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1: :crazy1:
Post by: eye30 on October 21, 2017, 20:11:57
or trade it on another car. :victory:
From reading the list of cars you have had seems you DO that anyway
Post by: Lakes on October 21, 2017, 21:05:10
plus you will have twice as much $ when you change over. :mrgreen:
Post by: nzenigma on October 22, 2017, 00:16:34
BUT. I can assure you that most tyre experienced and thinking fitters will still prefer to fit the best tyres on the front.
My preference is certainly to have the best on the front for the following reasons.
1/ You don't want a blowout or flat to happen on the front.
2/ The better tread on the front allows more positive steering.
3/ Putting a lower tread depth on the front will increase (significantly) your chances of aquaplaning (or a brake lock up if you don't have anti-lock braking.
But those are just my own opinions and observations.
And probably the best option is to rotate your tyres so all four reach replacement depth at about the same time and put four new ones on.
Of course, then some people say, "I can't afford to replace all four at once". But if you rotate sensibly your tyres will last longer and you'll have more time to save for replacements.
Mate I'm with you on all points.
First, you don't want crap tyres on front or back, so rotate then change them before you are forced to.
Second, if I loose traction or need to avoid and obstacle , I will be relying on my front wheels to steer me out of trouble.
Third, under normal driving conditions, irrespective of FWD or RWD, the front tyres wear the fastest , this must testify to the amount of work they are required to do.
Post by: The Gonz on October 22, 2017, 00:33:26
:link: Airless Tires | Bridgestone Tires (https://www.bridgestonetire.com/tread-and-trend/tire-talk/airless-concept-tires)
Post by: Dazzler on October 22, 2017, 00:37:21
Post by: nzenigma on October 22, 2017, 02:21:01
Post by: eye30 on November 03, 2017, 11:51:48
Depth checked and nsf = 2.5mm, osf = 3/3.5mm.
They did say the nsf shoulders, inside and outside have worn evenly but alot more than the osf.
They said that the rule of 75% of tyre width at 1.6mm is covered but to keep an eye on them as once the width rule reduces then they are illegal.
As why the nsf has worn more than osf and he said roundabouts!
This has been mentioned in a recent post on here re tyre wear and googling it, it also is a valid cause of nsf wear.
Well i never..........poor old zebedee
Post by: AlanHo on November 03, 2017, 13:57:44
Well i never..........poor old zebedee
You were one of the young 'uns glued to the box watching Magic Roundabout then - were you?
Post by: eye30 on November 03, 2017, 21:37:08
Given what he/they got up to ..... thought they were on magic mushroomWell i never..........poor old zebedee
You were one of the young 'uns glued to the box watching Magic Roundabout then - were you?
Post by: rfa on November 03, 2017, 22:41:50
Post by: Surferdude on November 04, 2017, 00:54:09
talking of tyres my recent purchase with 7900 miles on the clock manufacture date 12/15 registered 09/16 has michelin energy saver tyres fitted yet i recieved all the original documentation when I purchased the vehicle and that came with the warranty documentation for Hankook tyres, which is somewhat confusing and needless to say very worrying have I brought a pup.The original owner probably just upgraded the tyres at the time of purchase. Might have not liked Hankook.
Post by: xiziz on November 04, 2017, 06:53:41
How do you like the michelins? Tail end stability? Comfort? Noise? Traction?
Post by: wbm00 on November 05, 2017, 02:04:54
I considered the Dunlop Sport BluResponse but reviews suggested their wear rate was high.
Post by: Dazzler on November 05, 2017, 23:21:17
Recently had the two fronts (OEM Hankooks) replaced with Bridgestone T001 Turanza Evo ("Evo" denoting the revised version with better ratings than the Turanza). Happy with these so far and they appear to have better grip than the Hankooks. Already done over a thousand miles.
I considered the Dunlop Sport BluResponse but reviews suggested their wear rate was high.
Hi mate, thanks for that. I am guessing they are quieter?
Post by: wbm00 on November 06, 2017, 21:49:52
Hi mate, thanks for that. I am guessing they are quieter?
Despite trying, I can't say I've noticed. They certainly aren't noisier than the OEMs. Kicking myself for not doing one of Alan's sound level tests before and after the tyres were replaced.
One word of warning to anyone considering this tyre - make sure you're getting the Evo model as Bridgestone have rather helpfully decided not to brand their new tyre sidewall any differently to the lower rated older T001 model. :wacko:
Post by: Dazzler on November 07, 2017, 04:58:33
Post by: eye30 on February 09, 2018, 15:03:57
The ns front was just on the twi so 1.6mm.
The os front was slightly deeper at just under 2mm.
Over past weeks i researched and was all set to replace with the hankooks which came with the car.
However, while at my local indy garage i used prior to buying my i30's they are the local stockists fora brand called Davanti.
Checking out their tyres they show
Fuel economy as C rated
Wet weather handling as A rated
Noise as 68db
So bought and now on.
Must say they hold well in the wet and as i tend to drive the same route the noise does seem to be lower
Time will tell if quality is good as i got 21k miles from the hankook's!
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Post by: AlanHo on February 09, 2018, 19:01:48
Post by: Dazzler on February 09, 2018, 19:13:50
Post by: Surferdude on February 09, 2018, 19:46:54
Then only point I would make is that robotic manufacture will maintain a consistent level of quality.
But quality level is determined by R&D firstly and secondly by the standard of the components used in manufacture.
Post by: eye30 on February 09, 2018, 21:44:41
Once they have done a few thousand miles i'll report back....
Very interesting and supportive article..... thanks alan