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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => ELECTRICAL | ELECTRONIC | AUDIO => Topic started by: Glaswegian on October 01, 2018, 15:00:19
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Hi
I've just changed from a 65 plate i30 to an 18 plate. I had bought a NextBase dashcam and was able to use a 12v socket in the older car. However the layout of the newer car means that I will have to wire it in to the fuse box. I bought a NextBase kit at Halfords this morning, read the above guide and found the correct fuse etc - no problems. However, I'm struggling with the fuse and the plug that came with the kit. I cannot see where this fits (I'm not mechanically minded so excuse my stupidity) or where the black plug then goes into the fuse box. I've attached a photo. Did I pick up the wrong kit at Halfords?
Appreciate any help - thanks.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fB5z6z/20181001_144341.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWmTzK)
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You would first need to extract a fuse to see which size tap is required, once the size is worked out then decide which fuse you're going to tap into.
Generally the ACC (Accessories) fuse is what most use and comes on with first turn of the key (ACC), personally for my own install I tapped into the front Wipers as I preferred power to the cam being only on with ignition/engine running.
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Hi - thanks for the reply.
The red fuse is the "spare" from my fuse box (as described in the guide I found here) - should I choose something else or will they all be the same size?
(Apologies for posting in the Guide thread.)
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If the red fuse is from spares in the interior fuse panel then they'll likely all be the same physical size, once the correct tap to fit your fuse panel is found then the fuse you are tapping into goes in the first slot of the tap (closest to the pins), then the fuse for the cam goes in the outer slot.
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I must be really stupid so apologies - I don't see how the red fuse fits anywhere into the black socket/cable, and then I don't understand how the black socket/cable will fit into the fuse box.
This is why I'm not allowed to do ANY electrical work around the house...
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The black socket/cable (fuse tap) plugs directly into the spot where the fuse you are going to tap from, though the tap looks to big to fit anyway as the pin size should be the same as the red fuse you have there.
If the tap was correct size then the red fuse would plug into one of the two fuse ports shown on the picture of the tap.
(https://i.imgur.com/pqn9sME.png)
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Ah OK - I see now - thanks!
I'll need to return the kit then - at least I can take the fuse with me this time and see if they have an alternative.
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Ah OK - I see now - thanks!
I'll need to return the kit then - at least I can take the fuse with me this time and see if they have an alternative.
You're welcome :) just remember the fuse for the cam goes into to port I've drawn the lines to, the fuse from the fuse panel (that tap plugs into) goes into the first port.
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The black socket/cable (fuse tap) plugs directly into the spot where the fuse you are going to tap from, though the tap looks to big to fit anyway as the pin size should be the same as the red fuse you have there.
If the tap was correct size then the red fuse would plug into one of the two fuse ports shown on the picture of the tap.
(https://i.imgur.com/pqn9sME.png)
I never knew how these "taps" worked (not that I've tried) but handy to know for future reference. Cheers Craig. :goodjob:
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:link: [GUIDE] How to install a dashcam on an i30N (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=50497.0)
Hi
Appreciate any help - thanks.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fB5z6z/20181001_144341.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWmTzK)
Hi Mate
based on the photo provided, I think that red fuse is a Micro 2 size hence it will not fit into fuse tap above. You will need to hunt for a micro 2 fuse tap.
:link: 1pcs MICRO2 FUSE TAP ADD-A-CIRCUIT ATR FUSE TAPs | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1pcs-MICRO2-FUSE-TAP-ADD-A-CIRCUIT-ATR-FUSE-TAPs-/131329893013)
My I30 PD2 using a micro 2 fuse. Make sure you find out which teeth is the Red and ground in your car fuse box, wrong way round could heat up the wiring can cause fire in worst case - use a multimeter to identify the live one.
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Notice how the top fuse in the fuse tap have to be smaller in Amp than the one below. i.e top is 10, bottom is 30. If the top one is not smaller than the bottom one, then it wont work. For example, if you pull out the windscreen wiper fuse from the car fuse box, and it is a 30 amp, then in the fuse tap, the 30 amp will go in the bottom, nearest the 2 metal teeth, and a smaller fuse will need to go on top, as long as it less than the one down the bottom, which is 30 amp in this example. Hope that helped :) I just recently went through a crash course on how to install these as well so it is still fresh in my memory.
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for more info, this guy on youtube explain the process pretty well.
:link: How to add a fused circuit to your vehicle ? how to fuse tap - by VegOilGuy - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omZ545Cw1U&t=593s)
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Blazorax, Glasweigen will require a smaller tap to start with as the size is clearly larger than the fuse removed from car, the other information is correct in that you tap into a higher amp fuse than what the cam requires :goodjob:
My setup taps into the 25amp front wiper fuse for port 1 then port 2 has a 20amp fuse for power to my Cellink battery that powers the cam.
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Digging around further it appears that NextBase have not bothered to update their connectors - I found numerous buyers complaining about this. I went to my local Halfords and spoke to a member of staff - he looked and said there were none of the micro fuse adapters on the shelves. However, he then said he would check with someone and came back with the correct connector - no charge! The rest of the connection kit is fine.
I've taken out a 10A fuse marked "Spare" - I've slotted that into the tap to the second slot as described by CraigB - will that be OK?
Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.
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As long as the fuse to cam is lower than the tapped fuse(piggyback) then should be fine, if powering just the cam you'll probably find that 1.5amp to 5amp is recommended.
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I recommend few youtube videos:
:link: nextbase dash cam hardwire kit instructions - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nextbase+dash+cam+hardwire+kit+instructions)
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Thanks again everyone.
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Fitted all the cabling (no problem) but the cam does not seem to work (the car still starts though). The fuse from the car is in the correct position in the tap. Is it perhaps because the fuse I chose is called a "Spare"?
(https://preview.ibb.co/eGsWrz/Fuses.png) (https://ibb.co/jmwD4K)
I don't have any electrical tools or meters.
Thanks again for any help.
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Spare is exactly that - a spare and has no power to it (its a spare to use when another 10A fuse blows)
Tap into the Power Outlet fuse just above and that will power the cam with key in Accessories position.
Remember to put the Power Outlet fuse (20A) in the first port and the cam fuse in the outer 2nd port.
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That sounds logical - why didn't I realise that??
Thanks - will try that tomorrow.
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and you'll be glad to know that the consumer association 'WHICH' have these dash cams rated as the best buys :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
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@Glaswegian - I plug the fused tap into the screen wiper 15A for my car, so if it does blow, nothing too major :) just one left and 2 down from your spare.
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Still no joy - the car starts fine but the cam remains blank. I also tried the wiper fuse as well - same result. I checked the connections and all looks fine. On the basis the car still starts, would this suggest a problem with the hard-wire kit itself?
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Have you got both fuses plugged into the tap? does the tap/hardwire kit also have a ground wire that needs to be grounded? a photo of your setup may help us to visually see if things are correct.
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Not the best pics but it's bucketing here...
(https://preview.ibb.co/hWoBte/20181004_152344.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iQpvKK)
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That's the rear wiper fuse port you're in right? do you have ignition turned on full? the ground wire looks like it mounted to a plastic panel :undecided: needs to be attached to metal body.
I personally would have chosen the front wipers though that shouldn't matter, what size fuse is plugged in for the cam?
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Yes - based on the reply from Blazorax. It's keyless ignition so I normally just start it. The grey fuse says 2A.
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2A should be adequate, it looked like a 25A :p
I think the ground wire might be wrong if that's attached to a plastic panel, try mounting on the metal behind kick board or the steel subframe behind the dash.
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I think it is attached to a metal plate but I will check and try moving it tomorrow.
Thanks again.
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No problem, I cant offer much more advice unfortunately and you might need an auto electrician to have a quick look to see where the fault lies if it still fails to work.
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Not the best pics but it's bucketing here...
ot the best pics but it's bucketing here...
@Glaswegian - If you have I30 2018 model, then I believe that you have the fuse tap plug in the wrong way. The Active in teeth of the fuse in the fuse box is on the left hand side, that is on my I30 2018 PD2, when I multimeter test it.
Remove the fuse tap and plug it so that the fuse face down instead of up and the red cable going to the right side
The most important thing is to maintain the original circuits in your car and make sure all are working :).
Once plug in, start the car and turn on your wipers, if both front and back are working, then at least you know that the fuse tap worked. You will need to test the fuse tap to see if the 2Amp fuse circuit is working by using multimeter and measure the Oms between the teeth of the fuse tap and the connection at the end of the fuse tap red cable to make sure that Circuit is complete, if it is then it might be your hard-wiring is having issue. Have you verified that the dashcam actually still working? :) Plug that into the USB 5v charger and see if it turn on just to make sure
Go get yourself a cheap multimeter, it really help with troubleshooting the circuit.
Note: My hardwire kit came with 3 wires - If yours got 3 wires as well then you need to do as per below.
Red
Yellow
Black
If you only want the dashcam to turn on when you start the car, then you need to
Red+Yellow --> connect to red end of the fuse tap.
Black --> should go into earth, as CraigB said - it need to go into the chassis of the car not the plastic, again the only way to know if it is earth or not is using a multimeter.
I had a bit of an issue with my cabling initially because i didn't connect the yellow cable to anything.
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Thanks for that info - thought I would update first before taking any more action...
Went out this morning and the back wiper was not working. When I got home, I removed the fuse from the tap and placed it back in its original position in the fuse box. The back wiper then worked fine. My kit only has 2 wires - black and red. Cam works using its own internal battery.
I'm looking at multimeters just now and should be able to get one tomorrow. I had no idea that you needed to plug the tap in a specific way - every day is a school day...
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Based on your info, it would appeared that your fuse tap is not working.
The red arrow in the pic below pointing to the Active tooth of the fuse tap. That need to match up with the live point in your fuse :).
Here is another test to verify that your fuse tap is working.
1 - Remove the 15A wiper fuse again.
2 - Plug the wiper fused that you removed into the bottom slot nearest teeth as shown in pic
3 - Leave the other fuse slot empty.
4 - Plug fuse tap back into wiper fuse box
5 - Start car and test wiper.
If wiper work, then you know that your fusetap is good. if wiper do not then that fuse tap is cactus - get a new fuse tap :)
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Thanks again for the info. I shall try this tomorrow (too many things elsewhere needing done just now!)
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when i hardwired my dashcam, i did not use the fuse tap. the red wire i directly tap to one 'teeth' of the cigar lighter fuse and the black wire to a metal screw somewhere near. when i turn the key to acc or on, the dashcam will also turn on.
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:whsaid:
The tap is not necessary (I don't use them), and in this case is causing more trouble than good.
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Hi again - had a busy weekend so now back looking at this. Broke the car fuse trying to get it out of the tap so have decided to buy a new tap and selection of fuses. Will probably be a few days before I can try again.
I don't think me trying to wire directly into another fuse (without the tap) is a good idea. I really need to be able to drive the car and my electrical skills are really dangerous at this time. Thanks for the suggestion though - all help is gratefully received and much appreciated.
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I admire your tenacity - but can't you just plug the camera into the car's cigar lighter socket and be done with it.
Life is too short to put up with all that stress and effort.
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I admire your tenacity - but can't you just plug the camera into the car's cigar lighter socket and be done with it.
Life is too short to put up with all that stress and effort.
That's all I do. I have mine plugged in discretely to the point inside my centre armrest storage box. :victory:
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Nooooo :) He already spent all those time running the cable to the fuse box. It is the last leg of the trip, don't give up now.
BTW - since i've done my I30. I put another dashcam on the wife subaru outback 2015 on the weekend. Took a whole 30 mins to get it done this time.
@Glaswegian - Make it a driving holiday trip - drive your car to me, i'll install it for you dude. :P
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I admire your tenacity - but can't you just plug the camera into the car's cigar lighter socket and be done with it.
Life is too short to put up with all that stress and effort.
That worked on the older model, but with the new model the 12v sockets are placed differently (and are subtly hidden) and the centre consol (below the dash) is a sealed unit. I'm happy to try and learn something new (or at least I was... :rolleyes:) and it helps keep you all amused.
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Hi again
Finally got a new tap and fuse kit delivered (the micro fuses are difficult to find). The fuses slide in nicely to this tap but broke the 2A fuse that was in the old tap so I just used a 5A instead.
Connected everything (still using the 15A wiper fuse) but still no joy.
Not sure if there is anything left to try.
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How frustrating :crazy1:
Sounds like most of my DIY jobs these days..
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You’ll probably find an auto electrician will only cost 10 or 15£ for a quick fix and save you a lot of stress.