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GENERAL STUFF => GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Random Chit Chat => Topic started by: MelWA on February 20, 2010, 14:57:04
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I agree 100 percent with banning space saver tyres, for the simple reason that they wouldn't last 10 minutes in the middle of nowhere on a 45 degree day. I also don't like the indicator stalk on the left.
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space saver tyres,
They are just a "get me home" tyre no more no less.
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space saver tyres,
They are just a "get me home" tyre no more no less.
Hi eye, well like MelWA say's, here in Australia they are not very usefull in getting you home, unless all your driving is in or close to a city. if you are traveling you could be a very very long way from help. & if the temps are up in the 40c road temps will be plus 50c, if your traveling you could have the car loaded up the space saver would not be safe as you can drive slow on outback roads.
but what i say is while people still buy cars that come with space savers. they will stay. hyundai did the right thing putting full size spare.
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hyundai did the right thing putting full size spare.
I take on board what you save re heat etc but here in UK I would say 99.9% of roads are tarmac and temperatures, well if they reached 40C, in dreams.
Unfortunately I have 1 of those space savers. I would have prefered a full size.
I understand later models now get full size.
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hyundai did the right thing putting full size spare.
well can understand how you feel. i drive in some medium remote area's that get very hot and it's tarmac but very rough as no road maintainance to speak of, unless your lucky. also it's hard to find somewere to pull off and have a nice flat spot or enough room to change the tyre, jack car up, with that dicy wind up jack we get. then if all goes ok and you can get the spare on ok. it would be risky getting to the next town on the space saver. but so far 55,000k not one flat. ( that will probably happen next weekend on my next trip out there LOL)
cheers
I take on board what you save re heat etc but here in UK I would say 99.9% of roads are tarmac and temperatures, well if they reached 40C, in dreams.
Unfortunately I have 1 of those space savers. I would have prefered a full size.
I understand later models now get full size.
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Yeah, a space saver is supposed to only be used to get you from where you got a flat tyre to the nearest tyre repair shop. Having said that, you wouldn't want to be stuck with only a space saver spare on the Nullarbor Plain where it is several hundred kilometres between roadhouses. I wouldn't want to have to use a space saver where we live. In summer the tar on the road melts - it has been 45C for the last few days. I can't believe people actually try to sell them and expect to get money for them. IMO the best place for space savers is the rubbish dump. I'm sure some people don't realise they are for temporary use and that they must never be used on the front. I wonder what happens, from an insurance point of view, in the event someone puts the space saver on the front and loses control of the car.
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I'm sure some people don't realise they are for temporary use and that they must never be used on the front. I wonder what happens, from an insurance point of view, in the event someone puts the space saver on the front and loses control of the car.
Not aware of such restriction in UK.
I think this was covered some time ago and had acknowledgement that they are OK for ALL corners of the car.
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I went to have a look at this site and found an interesting article by Alborz Fallah on the topic of “badge snobs”. It was titled “2009 Hyundai i30 Review and Road Test” but there’s not a lot of specific information about the car. It seems to focus more on why the i30 has failed to sell as well as its competitors despite the fact that it is one of the best cars in its class. Strangely enough, the badge snobs seem to have avoided making any comments about this article.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/23244/2009-hyundai-i30-road-test/
On the topic of space savers… I had a space saver for my old Civic – and promptly replaced it with a full size spare before I drove across the Nullarbor. If I had my way, space savers would be banned. They only compromise safety for the sake of saving a few dollars – not worth it.
Tim :wink:
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Am i considered as the only one here, who "hates" full-size spare wheels? (*)
I have two kids and luggages hardly fits in the -considerable- smaller trunk.
So, i think that companies make their choices according to the their marketing policy as they try to serve more customers.
(besides, someone has to be devil's advocate :mrgreen:)
(*) said that, i hope that i'm not getting a flat tyre soon...
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Am i considered as the only one here, who "hates" full-size spare wheels? (*)
I have two kids and luggages hardly fits in the -considerable- smaller trunk.
So, i think that companies make their choices according to the their marketing policy as they try to serve more customers.
(besides, someone has to be devil's advocate :mrgreen:)
(*) said that, i hope that i'm not getting a flat tyre soon...
Good on you for sticking to your beliefs.. but in the case of the i30 I don't think the difference in boot space between those with and those without is very much from the photos i've seen of eye30's boot....
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Am i considered as the only one here, who "hates" full-size spare wheels? (*)
I have two kids and luggages hardly fits in the -considerable- smaller trunk.
So, i think that companies make their choices according to the their marketing policy as they try to serve more customers.
(besides, someone has to be devil's advocate :mrgreen:)
(*) said that, i hope that i'm not getting a flat tyre soon...
Good on you for sticking to your beliefs.. but in the case of the i30 I don't think the difference in boot space between those with and those without is very much from the photos i've seen of eye30's boot....
Believe me Dazz, the 7cm difference in height is critical for me, as i struggle to fit all that uselless kid-stuff which my wife wants to carry with us every time :D
Though, i'm sure that i'd have the same problem, even if the trunk capacity was 800lt... greedy women...:rolleyes:
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...not to mention the stuff we have to carry after a visit to my parents: fresh fruits, vegetables, all kind of pies, mousaka, youvarlakia... :lol:
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eye30 - I'm positive a space saver should not be used on the front. Having one of those one one side and a normal wheel and tyre on the other side would surely have an adverse effect on steering and handling.
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Surely that is why space-savers are speed restricted, you are not supposed to be trying to get maximum handling in the event of having to use it, just enough to get you home/to a garage.
The effect of a having the space saver on the front less of a "handful" than a deflating normal tyre and so is safer than that scenario.
I also don't mind having the space saver, the extra £400 for an MS 18" and tyre, the additional weight and the loss of 7cm depth in the boot for something which you are hopefully not going to need with any regularity is just not worth it. :wink:
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Yeah, I'm very much in preference for a space saver, but like others have said, that's because I live in the UK where all roads are tarmacced (sp?) and I'm unlikely to be more than 20 miles away from a tyre shop - unless I'm in the Scottish Highlands or somewhere similarly remote. Given that scenario I'm happy to get a cost saving and a tad more boot space.
If I lived in Oz, and regularly did drives where there was nothing for miles and miles and getting stranded could leave me in a serious predicament, I might not be so keen.
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eye30 - I'm positive a space saver should not be used on the front. Having one of those one one side and a normal wheel and tyre on the other side would surely have an adverse effect on steering and handling.
Auto Express article:
Traditional spare tyres are becoming a thing of the past – but can you rely on the skinny rubber in your car’s boot?
Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/230895/are_spacesavers_safe.html#ixzz0gHjkkmaL
I can't find any legal rule which says they can't be used on the front in the UK but I'm calling into the dealers this week so I'll ask for their opinion.
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Am i considered as the only one here, who "hates" full-size spare wheels? (*)
I have two kids and luggages hardly fits in the -considerable- smaller trunk.
So, i think that companies make their choices according to the their marketing policy as they try to serve more customers.
(besides, someone has to be devil's advocate :mrgreen:)
(*) said that, i hope that i'm not getting a flat tyre soon...
eye30 - I'm positive a space saver should not be used on the front. Having one of those one one side and a normal wheel and tyre on the other side would surely have an adverse effect on steering and handling.
Mel, i saw a new Mazda 3 last week with a space saver on one front side, it looked unsafe even at the crawling pace the guy driving was going at. he looked like he was expecting himself. Mel i think some people just use them to replace a flat no matter.
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One of the guys I work with had his front offside alloy destroyed by one of our famous potholes last week and he continued the journey into work in the snow quite safely in his Volvo V70.
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7cm (I can see where an extra 7cm could be handy) :D
I didn't realise it was that much - in the photo on here of eye30's boot it only looked like about 3cm at the most...
In Aus where you get an alloy spare in the SLX and SR it is good if you happen to scratch an alloy you can just swap it with the spare :mrgreen:
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7cm (I can see where an extra 7cm could be handy) :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
well, the extra storage underneath, can be handy too if you want to keep there little things like cond...errr...ensers and other electrical stuff :lol:
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OK… so you’re driving along in your fully laden vehicle, utilising every inch of boot space available (including the extra 7cm of boot space because you have a space saver), and suddenly you experience a tire blow out! You change the tire (possibly having to swap the wheels around because you don’t want a space saver on the front). Suddenly it dawns on you…
Where are you going to put the full sized wheel???!!!
Do you:
A) Leave the full-sized flat behind, or
B) Leave one of the kids behind, or
C) Leave luggage behind, or
D) Leave the missus behind (this would be my choice, because she will be continually reminding you of what an idiot you are, and that it’s all your fault!)
Tim :wink:
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:lol: :cool:
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* Shambles ducks the grenade lobbed in by Tim * :lol:
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OK… so you’re driving along in your fully laden vehicle, utilising every inch of boot space available (including the extra 7cm of boot space because you have a space saver), and suddenly you experience a tire blow out! You change the tire (possibly having to swap the wheels around because you don’t want a space saver on the front). Suddenly it dawns on you…
Where are you going to put the full sized wheel???!!!
Do you:
A) Leave the full-sized flat behind, or
B) Leave one of the kids behind, or
C) Leave luggage behind, or
D) Leave the missus behind (this would be my choice, because she will be continually reminding you of what an idiot you are, and that it’s all your fault!)
Tim :wink:
...what can i say Tim? I have no answer to that :eek:
Although, here is a solution(?) which can keep both of us happy (from one of my old designs, back in 1994):
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad338/babis_xo/Old%20Auto%20Designs/Vehicle_1994_Side_Sec_small.jpg)
It's a matter of priorities :wink:
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Just to confirm there are no laws in Australia which ban the use of space savers on the front of a car.
Offset is the thing which governs steering stability and control and the space saver's offset is designed to ensure stability.
In my opinion, the worst thing about them is that they are of a smaller diameter than the full sized wheel so (front or rear, 2WD or 4WD), they are screwing with your diff.
Having said that, I believe they are an aberration and should not be allowed.
As someone has already pointed out, when you change your flat tyre and want to transport it with you to a garage for repair, where do you put it? Especially if you are travelling and loaded up with luggage and people. I have seen more than one seat trim ruined by brake dust and mud because in desperation the driver threw the wheel on the back seat.
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For those who are getting a thirst for this subject matter, there's more here (https://i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,2980.30.html)
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It's a matter of priorities :wink:
I think I'd rather keep the fuel tank.
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OK… so you’re driving along in your fully laden vehicle, utilising every inch of boot space available (including the extra 7cm of boot space because you have a space saver), and suddenly you experience a tire blow out! You change the tire (possibly having to swap the wheels around because you don’t want a space saver on the front). Suddenly it dawns on you…
Where are you going to put the full sized wheel???!!!
Do you:
A) Leave the full-sized flat behind, or
B) Leave one of the kids behind, or
C) Leave luggage behind, or
D) Leave the missus behind (this would be my choice, because she will be continually reminding you of what an idiot you are, and that it’s all your fault!)
Tim :wink:
bumpkin picks up grenade..........
lob...........
E)The missus has a lap, ideal storage for a few hundred clicks whilst trying to find a tyre repair shop. :D
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I had a look in the owners manual regarding "compact spares", and it does list a series of precautions to be taken when using a compact spare.
As far as installation on the front axle is concerned, the only thing I can find is:
"The compact spare tyre should not be installed on the front axle if the vehicle must be driven in snow or ice"
Tim :wink:
Sorry for my misspelling of the word 'tyre' - I must have been 'tired' :rolleyes:
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A few miles at less then 30mph to the nearest garage in an emergency sure. I'd still put it on the back.
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Surferdude, very good point!
So Babis our Greek mate, your loaded up with your Wife & kids and gifts from your Mum & Dad, then Flop Flop Flop, we have a flat. No Worries mate, we got that useless little space saver under all this gear somewhere. so we unload all our gear. get the space saver out. it's on the car, now we have a full size wheel & Tyre to fit in the back. so we come to the reason why we carry a spare, then we come to the point of saving space, but when you change the space saver then have to carry your dirty brake dust covered full size . you find out the thruth.
I think that full size spare under the seat has it's merits. but i think you need a roof rack just in case.
cheers
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A few miles at less then 30mph to the nearest garage in an emergency sure. I'd still put it on the back.
Lorian, I admire your dedication to safety.
Now, let's look at reality.
It's raining, night time and you're on the side of the M1, somewhere dark.
Does your jack lift the whole side of the car, thus letting you take both wheel off in order to take the rear wheel off and move it to the front, thus letting you fit the spacesaver to the rear? If not, it becomes a multi step process.
1/ Jack up the front, remove flat, fit spacesaver to front.
2/ Let car down. Relocate jack to rear of sill. Jack up. Remove rear wheel. Replace with flat front wheel.
3/ Let car down. Relocate jack to front of sill. Jack car up. Remove spacesaver and replace with wheel off back of car.
4/ Let car down. Relocate jack to rear of sill. Jack car up. Remove flat and replace with spacesaver.
5/ Find somewhere to store flat wheel and tyre.
Now before everyone points out the quicker way.
Yes, you can fit the space saver straight to the rear, thereby freeing up the rear wheel to then fit on the front after you let the jack down, relocate it to the front of the sill and jack the car up, replacing the flat.
Still a 2 step process but, surprisingly, on th ecouple of occasions where I've run across people who've carried out this process, they've done it the first way. Not spacesavers but non-alloy spares, rated to max of 80 kph and they decided they'd rather have the alloy wheel on the front.
Not sure why. They seemed intelligent people, just not to mechanically savvy.
Anyway, my point is - a major task to fit the spacesaver to the rear if it's the front wheel which has the flat.
And dangerous at night at the best of times.
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Surferdude, very good point!
So Babis our Greek mate, your loaded up with your Wife & kids and gifts from your Mum & Dad, then Flop Flop Flop, we have a flat. No Worries mate, we got that useless little space saver under all this gear somewhere. so we unload all our gear. get the space saver out. it's on the car, now we have a full size wheel & Tyre to fit in the back. so we come to the reason why we carry a spare, then we come to the point of saving space, but when you change the space saver then have to carry your dirty brake dust covered full size . you find out the thruth.
I think that full size spare under the seat has it's merits. but i think you need a roof rack just in case.
cheers
I've already admitted that, this is a determinant point :)
(and what is a "roof rack"?)
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It's a matter of priorities :wink:
I think I'd rather keep the fuel tank.
Maybe it's behind that spare, under the boot :)
But don't worry, fuel tanks should be useless in less than 20 yrs.
As for spare tyres, they will be past in about 10 yrs (as Michelin maintains). I'll be patience till then :D
EDIT: next generation tyres---> http://www.toxel.com/tech/2009/07/05/innovative-airless-tires-by-michelin/ (http://www.toxel.com/tech/2009/07/05/innovative-airless-tires-by-michelin/)
EDIT no2: tooo ugly... bliahhh. I hope that the commercial tyres shall have sidewalls
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babis,
A roof rack is the framework for carrying luggage on the roof of a vehicle. I think they come standard with the i30 CW, and as an option for the hatch.
Tim :wink:
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I got it. Thanks!
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babis,
A roof rack is the framework for carrying luggage on the roof of a vehicle. I think they come standard with the i30 CW, and as an option for the hatch.
Tim :wink:
The estate/CW, such as mine, has roof rails along the roof sides. I would attach the roof rack to them................on second thoughts, I'd get the Mrs to take her clothes off and hang on to the roof rails. Wrap the flat tyre up in her stuff and put it on the front passenger seat. Doesn't matter that I've got a full size spare...........i'd get to listen to what I want to listen to as well. Bonus!! :twisted:
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...I'd get the Mrs to take her clothes off and hang on to the roof rails. Wrap the flat tyre up in her stuff and put it on the front passenger seat.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
that's the weirdest meditation of all!!!
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Surferdude, very good point!
So Babis our Greek mate, your loaded up with your Wife & kids and gifts from your Mum & Dad, then Flop Flop Flop, we have a flat. No Worries mate, we got that useless little space saver under all this gear somewhere. so we unload all our gear. get the space saver out. it's on the car, now we have a full size wheel & Tyre to fit in the back. so we come to the reason why we carry a spare, then we come to the point of saving space, but when you change the space saver then have to carry your dirty brake dust covered full size . you find out the thruth.
I think that full size spare under the seat has it's merits. but i think you need a roof rack just in case.
cheers
I've already admitted that, this is a determinant point :)
(and what is a "roof rack"?)
Hi Babis, a Roof Rack, mounts to the roof of the car and you can use it to carry things on the roof. there are different types, you have probably got them but use a different name.
cheers
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yeah space saver is an anoyance.. they have now started puting the space saves bk in the 2010 modelse of the i30 within the UK. as far as loosing trunk/boot space its only approx 2-3 inches in depth.. i was measuring it in my mums car. she has a full size.. white i30 se. sunroof etc.. whereas mine wil have a space saver. im contemplating fabricating an mdf floor, and puting some storage in.
I'm planning on filling some of the boot space with a couple of subwoofers yeah.. I kno, young kid wasting money :D
can't resist it
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A few miles at less then 30mph to the nearest garage in an emergency sure. I'd still put it on the back.
Lorian, I admire your dedication to safety.
Now, let's look at reality.
It's raining, night time and you're on the side of the M1, somewhere dark.
Does your jack lift the whole side of the car, thus letting you take both wheel off in order to take the rear wheel off and move it to the front, thus letting you fit the spacesaver to the rear? If not, it becomes a multi step process.
1/ Jack up the front, remove flat, fit spacesaver to front.
2/ Let car down. Relocate jack to rear of sill. Jack up. Remove rear wheel. Replace with flat front wheel.
3/ Let car down. Relocate jack to front of sill. Jack car up. Remove spacesaver and replace with wheel off back of car.
4/ Let car down. Relocate jack to rear of sill. Jack car up. Remove flat and replace with spacesaver.
5/ Find somewhere to store flat wheel and tyre.
Now before everyone points out the quicker way.
Yes, you can fit the space saver straight to the rear, thereby freeing up the rear wheel to then fit on the front after you let the jack down, relocate it to the front of the sill and jack the car up, replacing the flat.
Still a 2 step process but, surprisingly, on th ecouple of occasions where I've run across people who've carried out this process, they've done it the first way. Not spacesavers but non-alloy spares, rated to max of 80 kph and they decided they'd rather have the alloy wheel on the front.
Not sure why. They seemed intelligent people, just not to mechanically savvy.
Anyway, my point is - a major task to fit the spacesaver to the rear if it's the front wheel which has the flat.
And dangerous at night at the best of times.
If it was driver's side then I'd put it on the front until the next exit (of course!) and then swap it to the back. I can do a front to back swap in just a few minutes, but then I am reasonably fit, and keep a X brace that I can spin in the boot, my studs are greased and I torqued the nuts on so I know how tight they are. Most folk wouldn't be in this position I guess. I'd rather have an alloy though.
The jack supplied with the car needs more grease to make it work better too, mine was pretty dry x-factory. The top of the jack head is not very wide either, so it would be capable of damaging the under-seal, so I have glued some bicycle innertube to the top of mine to give it a little cushion.
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Has anyone priced the tyre for the spacesaver wheel, I think you will have a nasty surprise.
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I wouldn't even bother to price a tyre because the space-saver would be in the bin :lol:
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I wouldn't even bother to price a tyre because the space-saver would be in the bin :lol:
Yep. First thing I did with the space saver in my Impreza. Went out and bought a s/h alloy wheel and a new tyre.
But, for the record, space saver tyres are exhorbitant.
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I wouldn't even bother to price a tyre because the space-saver would be in the bin :lol:
I guess they wouldn't sell many replacements (who would ever wear one out!) :D
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Last few km's on my way home, I've noticed my car doesn't handle as well. When I got home I checked my tires..of course...I had a flat tire. It was night and raining, so I changed it quickly and put a spare one on. Luckily it's a "normal" one - 185/65/15 so I normally went to the movies later and to the shops today without thinking if I should or not, but I had to fix it and put it back, because the spare one isn't a winter tire, which we must have till 15th March.
I'm definitely for the normal size spare tire even if it takes some space.. What if you get a flat tire on Sunday or Saturday afternoon, when you can't get it fixed, because nobody works and you really have to go on a 100, 200 km trip. Over here there's no way you can change it before Monday then...
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Hi Dazzler,
Really don't see how you gain much room from a space saver,it fits in the same place under the lift up floor?
in Oz space saver would be as usefull as an ashtray on a motor bike thank goodness we have full size here.Hyuandi is just being cheap?
dibboi30
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Hi Dazzler,
Really don't see how you gain much room from a space saver,it fits in the same place under the lift up floor?
in Oz space saver would be as usefull as an ashtray on a motor bike thank goodness we have full size here.Hyuandi is just being cheap?
dibboi30
I'm no advocate for a space saver spare :eek: (don't think they have been used in OZ i30's?)
Forf the record when used in UK models the boot floor is (apparently) about 7cm lower giving some extra boot capacity...
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Forf the record when used in UK models the boot floor is (apparently) about 7cm lower giving some extra boot capacity...
But presumably you loose the space in the trays underneath? I even use the space in the alloy to keep my jump leads.
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hi . we have a i30 deluxe with a full size alloy first car in years to have one
km
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A cautionary tale about carrying an inflated tyre inside the car
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8600833.stm
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AFAIK, the "space saver" does not save any space. At least on our CW, the cargo space floor could not be any lower, be it full size spare or not, it has full size spare.
The ONLY reason for the existence of the "space saver" is simply cost (to the manufacturer) and weight.
Even with the lower weight alone, that just may make the difference on certain markets where the car tax is based on the CO2 emissions.
Lighter car has lower combined cycle and city consumption.
Just for that reason, some marks sell their cars withouth even the space saver spare here in Europe. Those cars just have the tyre repair spray bottle. Good luck with that if you have a 5cm long slash at the sidewall (done by a broken bottle base, have had that once...).
One reason why I like Hyundai is that they are relatively honest with their cars, providing a full size spare, and also refraining from questionable practises to snip another gram from CO2 emissions of their "green" models by lowering the suspension and cutting weight by leaving out necessary equipment and sound proofing.
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A cautionary tale about carrying an inflated tyre inside the car
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8600833.stm
Very Tragic...and a rare event I would suspect?? Not the way a military person would have expected to go... :'(
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A cautionary tale about carrying an inflated tyre inside the car
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8600833.stm
Correction:
A cautionary tale about holding a visibly flawed inflated tyre in contact with your abdomen.
(sorry to say, but IMHO this falls into the "Darwin awards" -category...)
It is so easy to forget how incredibly dangerous thing the compressed air is.
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I have never heard of the like before, although I expect it's not the first of this type of accident.
I have had a cycle tube shred at about 90psi whilst i have been pumping it up. The tyre was split off the rim and the noise cause me to be partially deaf for a day or two afterwards. Nowadays I always pump my tyres with safety glasses on and facing way from the bike.
I presume in this instance the Z3 had a space saver, and that was a contibutory factor in the accident, but I don't know for sure. Either way this Lady wouldn't qualify for a darwin award, most people wouldn't realise.
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I have never heard of the like before, although I expect it's not the first of this type of accident.
I have had a cycle tube shred at about 90psi whilst i have been pumping it up. The tyre was split off the rim and the noise cause me to be partially deaf for a day or two afterwards. Nowadays I always pump my tyres with safety glasses on and facing way from the bike. 90psi in a cycle tube???? Normally limited to somewhere between 40 and 60. Was it something special or were you just not paying attention? I blew one when I was about 12 years old, using the service station air hose. Know just what you mean about the deafness. Worst bit was it was a 5 klm walk/push home with the bike.
I presume in this instance the Z3 had a space saver, and that was a contibutory factor in the accident, but I don't know for sure. Either way this Lady wouldn't qualify for a darwin award, most people wouldn't realise. Have to say, tragic as this accident is, the lady was a civil engineer. I would hope any civil engineers working around my area were well aware of the dangers of compressed air.
Somewhere there is a pic of a Swedish tyre fitter's imprint on the ceiling of a workshop when the truck tyre he was inflating exploded.
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Hi Trev,
Can you get that scan any clearer please.. Don't know about anyone else but I haven't got a hope of reading it... :'(
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100psi+ is normal on a racing bike. I definitely wouldn't use a service station pump to inflate them, plus it'd be the wrong valve type.
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My son is a tyre fitter.
He was working on a truck tyre (22" rim), when it gave way and threw him across the workshop.
Also, when I was in the RAAF, a fitter lost his legs when inflating the tyres on a P-3C Orion. The regulator on the nitrogen bottle failed and allowed 3500 psi to enter.
The rims exploded.
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My son is a tyre fitter.
He was working on a truck tyre (22" rim), when it gave way and threw him across the workshop.
Also, when I was in the RAAF, a fitter lost his legs when inflating the tyres on a P-3C Orion. The regulator on the nitrogen bottle failed and allowed 3500 psi to enter.
The rims exploded.
Scary stuff... I am very safety aware due to time Managing a Tile shop with a big warehouse and also Managing a Roofing Centre but it just goes to show there are still hidden dangers that you may not be aware of... :eek:
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Hi Trev,
Can you get that scan any clearer please.. Don't know about anyone else but I haven't got a hope of reading it... :'(
Sorry Daz, I have a clearer pic somewhere in my ex work files but that came from a website somewhere.
However the story is (and this was back in the late 60's or early 70's, that the Swedish tyre fitter was inflating a truck tyre using a clip on chuck - which you wouldn't do today unless it was attached to an in-line safety cut off) and went to answer the phone. Just as he returned to the job and bent over to check the pressure, it exploded. The ceiling he is imprinted on was 12' high and you can see the result of the impact on his skull.
Most, if not all shops today would also have a cut-off limit on their air compressor but it would be set at a figure for truck tyres so can still have a dramatic impact (!) on a car wheel. I've seen the results of some explosions. Scary stuff. Also know of several deaths in the industry in Qld over the years.
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100psi+ is normal on a racing bike. I definitely wouldn't use a service station pump to inflate them, plus it'd be the wrong valve type.
Thanks for that. Not experienced with racing bikes. I know the valve type though. Most road bikes have car type valves these days, at least in Oz and most of the tubes we imported from China were the same.
BTW. If you put a SS air hose over that racing type valve and apply the air, it will force itself in.
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Thanks Trev from your description maybe it was better not too clear... :P
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When I was in the final stages of labour to give birth to my new baby I almost changed to Ford Fiesta... I had a lie down in a darkened room and came to my senses :)
The guy at Ford opened the boot (trunk) and in the spare wheel well was puncture repair outfit... and I little inflater devise which one was supposed to attach to the cigarette lighter.
I was totally unimpressed by this and could immediately see the potential for, what we technically call, a cock-up leaving you FUBAR in some remote place.
1.. If you battery was a bit on the low side, it no workie
2.. If your a bit inept (like me) and haven't attached the nozzle thingy to the wheel thingy properly, you'd loose the repair fluid, then again. it no workie.
I think one had the option to buy a proper spare wheel, but that would require handing over rather a lot of beer tickets to the man.
The reasoning behind this was apparently a weight issue, in that it made the care go 2 tenths of a mile further on every hundred gallons of fuel which moving the car into a different UK tax bracket....
I have the get you home wheel and since I live where the tar on the road seldom melts, I'm OK with that, I do however take you point.
All you convicts out there in the prison colonies must have be very careful not to get stranded out in the those dangerous open spaces... So I see see your concerns.
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The idea of a spare wheel is obvious. It's to make repairing a puncture on the road redundant. Originally, the only option was to strip out the tube and vulcanise a patch over the hole and then reassemble it all, pump it up with the carried pump and hope you hadn't pinched the tube during the process and need to start all over again.
How easy it was to just swap the wheel and then repair the puncture at home or even have someone else to fix it :) So began the age of useless drivers.
I guess since then there have been a few different tries at solving the problem which goes back to the beginning of car time and currently there are three options: Full-sized wheel; wheel-barrow wheel; squirter bottle.
The full-sized spare wheel so often is nothing but a 5th tread to wear out because tyre technology has advanced to the point where tyres really don't puncture any more. The other options are just sensible options given the times modern tyres fail.
Having said that, I say: what is the downside of having a full-sized spare that fully covers all situations when a tyre goes flat? Slight lack of space?
Any time!
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This convict is pleased you bought the i30 intead of the Ford... :D
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I am, in reality jealous of our convict cousins out there, bathed in warm sunshine, it supposed to be spring here and I am still shivering, not to mention running my central heating AAAAAAAAAAaaaaggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I quite liked the look of the fiesta but the small boot was impractical, and the rear seats don't fold flat. A complete no-no for me as I need good level space back there. Plus the local Ford dealer is the worst dealership I have EVER visited. Oh and there was the plasticky dash that looked like a 1990 nokia phone, and the fact they wanted extra for aircon. 'nuff said.
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Yeppers,,,, you summed up my sentiments entirly... we both got the good deal :)
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I quite liked the look of the fiesta but the small boot was impractical, and the rear seats don't fold flat. A complete no-no for me as I need good level space back there. Plus the local Ford dealer is the worst dealership I have EVER visited. Oh and there was the plasticky dash that looked like a 1990 nokia phone, and the fact they wanted extra for aircon. 'nuff said.
Besides, Fiesta is equivalent to i20, not to i30. Except on price perhaps :)
i30 is C-class, like Golf, Focus, Octavia, and Auris.
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I checked out the fiesta a few months ago (after another member had the cheek :wink: to say something nice about it )
It felt very narrow and "squeezy" to me..
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most of us with mag wheels would like a mag wheel as a spare,but it wouldn't fit in the spare wheel well. a space saver is about 3" wide and a full size spare is usually around 5.5" wide.my mag wheels are 7.5" wide so it wouldn't even fit. :mad:
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most of us with mag wheels would like a mag wheel as a spare,but it wouldn't fit in the spare wheel well. a space saver is about 3" wide and a full size spare is usually around 5.5" wide.my mag wheels are 7.5" wide so it wouldn't even fit. :mad:
Like most Aussie SLX owners (and SR owners) I got a matching Alloy spare...
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and it fits in the spare wheel space without a bulge in the floor.
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and it fits in the spare wheel space without a bulge in the floor.
Yep, although there was a bit of a "bulge" when I first found it... :mrgreen:
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:eek: :lol: :lol:
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Logically it is better to have a space saver - except if you are in the Australian outback of course. I don't do rough tracks and 50 degree temp roads in the UK very often. :D
It saves weight and therefore aids fuel consumption - not by a lot, but over thousands of miles it adds up. Plus if you have an alloy spare it is easy to forget to have the duff tyre mended if you put it in the boot - the spacesaver is a continual annoyance and forces you to have it fixed soon.
In my opinion. :)
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Logically it is better to have a space saver - except if you are in the Australian outback of course. I don't do rough tracks and 50 degree temp roads in the UK very often. :D
It saves weight and therefore aids fuel consumption - not by a lot, but over thousands of miles it adds up. Plus if you have an alloy spare it is easy to forget to have the duff tyre mended if you put it in the boot - the spacesaver is a continual annoyance and forces you to have it fixed soon.
In my opinion. :)
Sorry Diablo, cannot see any logical reasoning for a space saver. The difference in fuel consumption is, as you say, minimal but the increase in danger is immense.
And, if you need to have an odd looking wheel on the car to remind you to get a flat fixed, you shouldn't be allowed on the road.
Don't take this personally. I just have a thing about irresponsible car drivers and their lack of vehicle maintenance.
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The space saver tyre is just a Temporary, with a capital T, tyre.
If deployed, the removed tyre should be repaired or replaced ASAP and not say some 2 weeks later.
It is for emergency use only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!