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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => ELECTRICAL | ELECTRONIC | AUDIO => Topic started by: i30manUK on July 10, 2008, 18:08:36
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I know that it's not exactly 'Mod of the Month' material and it's hardly challenging, but I thought I'd take some pics of the headlamp bulb upgrades just in case anyone fancies having a go, but they've not done it before.
It took me 15 minutes per side, changing all three bulbs (main beam, dipped beam and sidelight).
Before I do the photos I must say thanks to ouri30 for pointing me in the direction of the Osram Night Breaker bulbs. Here is his thread on the subject - viewtopic.php?f=10&t=63&p=4085#wrapheader (https://i30ownersclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=63&p=4085#wrapheader)
Ok, here we go...
1. The bulbs (£32.96 [67.00aud] for the lot), from LeadingLamps on Ebay UK - http://stores.ebay.co.uk/leadinglamps_W ... idZ2QQtZkm (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/leadinglamps_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5217.jpg)
2. Undo the 3 x 10mm bolts - The 2 you can see on top and another one inside, half way down...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5218.jpg)
3. Unclip the black plastic cable tie (left of the base of the washer tube). It's easy to do by hand...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5219.jpg)
4. Pull the lamp unit gently forwards and up a bit at the front...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5220.jpg)
5. One of the 2 caps unscrewed and removed...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5221.jpg)
6. Unscrew one of the caps - this one reveals two bulb housings (one of which is the sidelight)...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5222.jpg)
7. Unclip the main bulb by hand and replace it with your nice new bulb (don't unscrew any screws) - now do the same with the other main bulb, in the other housing...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5223.jpg)
8. Remove the sidelight bulb & holder, if you're replacing it. This one just pulls out, it doesn't unscrew...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5224.jpg)
9. When you do the RH side (as you look at the car from the front), you will need to remove the main plug or the headlamp won't come out far enough...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5228.jpg)
10. Slide the lamps back into place, making sure that the lugs go back into the holes at the top. Then grease the bolts before you replace them...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5225.jpg)
Job done, time for a beer!
G
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Thanks!
Always good to see some photos, good job!
How do they look in the dark?
Brighter ? Whiter ?
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Thanks! 8-)
Anyway, I now have a spare set of bulbs in case we go to France or somewhere.
I must say I was very pleased with the design and fabrication of everything I messed around with. +1 to Hyundai for this.
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i30manUK good pictures and easy to follow.
Now that you done this can you take the rest of the car to bits, photograph it and put it together just like Haynes.
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Right, now that it's dark I can officially say - they're nice!
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Right, now that it's dark I can officially say - they're nice! 8-)
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hi
my friend with KIA C`EED installed "Xenon" system, but he doesn't like lights, because they appeared yellow.
Than he bought "Philips cool blue", but they again appeared yellow. And i think, that "Osram system" is like "Philips"
And than he found "Led lights".
This is the difference between them:
- this is "white" Philips":
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jAvD9.jpg)
- this is "Led":
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jA1Hr.jpg)
- this is the difference (Left - Philips, right - Led):
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jAX3J.jpg)
with two lights:
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jCmRS.jpg)
This is his back number:
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jF5YJ.jpg)
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can you show us a picture <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8-)" title="Cool" />
...and definitely MUCH whiter/brighter than the fog lamps - so I suppose I need to change those next! :doh:
Here's a pic Hemmi, but it doesn't really show the difference very well.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5229.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/chubbylover88/DSCF5232.jpg)
They're nothing like as white as the HID bi-xenons on my 350z.
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that looks great!
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Thanks heaps for all the great pix i30manUK and Dani...
Just an observation ... the Fog lights are supposed to be yellow so they show up better in the fog (so it might be best to leave them as they are!)
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Thanks heaps for all the great pix i30manUK and Dani...
Just an observation ... the Fog lights are supposed to be yellow so they show up better in the fog (so it might be best to leave them as they are!)
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hello folks,
that Kia still waithing more led and Dani will update his post with next upgrade may be nex week when is comming new order
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Thanks heaps for all the great pix i30manUK and Dani...
Just an observation ... the Fog lights are supposed to be yellow so they show up better in the fog (so it might be best to leave them as they are!)
Thanks for that Dazz. The i30 fog lights aren't actually 'yellow', like some fog lights used to be, they are just a yellowish tinge of white and not particularly bright (a bit lame in fact, if I'm being blunt), so I may still upgrade them at some point. However, I like your idea of really strong yellow ones - could look cooool 8-)
. Does anyone know where I can get really bright yellow bulbs?
- of course your post provoked the google in me, which led to these interesting articles on the subject of 'yellow fog lights'...
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/p ... y99xx4.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99xx4.htm)
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/19 ... .Ph.r.html (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1999-07/932144187.Ph.r.html)
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i reckon these method is.. overkill for only changing/upgrading halogen bulb.. coz i find another method that didnt required any headlight removal or washer removal.. .. it just need to uncliped the guard on front tyre ...
these method is good for quick HID upgrade <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />
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Any one got an idea who sells the osram night breakers in OZ . have been to cheapy cheap and repco and neither had them?
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Mullet,
I gave up trying to find a seller in Oz and got them direct from the UK. Took about 10 days to arrive.
Bob
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You probally have said but i CBF reading through all the posts .
How much and were from our130 and are the worth it?
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Mullet,
I bought mine from PowerBulbs http://www.powerbulbs.com, but I think Shambles fround a better deal than I did. I can't remember the exact price but I think, from memory, I paid about AU$160 for some H1, H4 and H7 Nightbreakers. I put them in the i30 and the Getz we have.
Bob
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haha,
dazzling_darryl
look it for wath power i'd like to show you ;)
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i reckon these method is.. overkill for only changing/upgrading halogen bulb.. coz i find another method that didnt required any headlight removal or washer removal.. .. it just need to uncliped the guard on front tyre ...
these method is good for quick HID upgrade ;)
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Any one got an idea who sells the osram night breakers in OZ . have been to cheapy cheap and repco and neither had them?
Mullet, the people I got mine from will ship worldwide, from the UK (link is in the first post). If you were to buy both the H1's and the H7's I think they'd probaably charge you something like 77audollars - and you get 2 free sets of sidelight bulbs.
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Just received a new delivery.
Later I'll post photos after installation.
(http://www.postimage.org/aVgNrXr.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVgNrXr)(http://www.postimage.org/aVgN5v9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVgN5v9)
(http://www.postimage.org/aVgN7_i.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVgN7_i)(http://www.postimage.org/aVgNhYS.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVgNhYS)
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hey dani! those led's look pretty...crazy! looks like a light show :lol: any change u had time to chuck them in yet and take some pics?
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Hello guys, any suggestion, how I can adjust the height of the light-beam upwards? It seems to me, that the bulbs are "pointing" too low, but I do not really know how this can be changed (I know about the small turning wheel to the left from the steering wheel, but this is only for turning the lights downwards). I had a Skoda car previously and it was quite easy to adjust the direction of my front bulbs in any way. Just removed the hood and there was a plastic screw on each of the reflectors.
Any ideas please? I am browsing the internet on this topic for weeks already, and still no results :(
Thanks for any advice in advance!
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Hey Laxius, yes there is a screw on the back of each lamp unit.
See here (https://i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,1641.0.html)
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Great! Thanks a lot!
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I'm just wondering how come so many people have done globe upgrades and later on in the site mentioned they needed to change the upgraded globe due to it blowing or refit the original globes back in their cars.I'm one year in still using the original globes allround and not had to change a single globe.is an upgrade really worth the cost and the hassle involved.?
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....is an upgrade really worth the cost and the hassle involved.?
.. in my case, no it wasn't worth it.
Been through 2 sets of Osram NBs; they just seem so fragile. Back on original stock and going fine
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:eek:
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Thank you for the information provided, it can be a DIY :)
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Thank you for the information provided, it can be a DIY :)
Welcome to the club .. Hope we can be a lot more help.. :D
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Hi,
Does the headlight unit swivel out once all 3 screws have been removed or does it fall out on its own?
Also, when you put it back in place, does it go back exactly as it came out or does the light point upwards slightly and therefore blind the person in fronmt of you whilst sitting at lights? Is it a worthwhile exercise or more bother than it is worth. The only reason I would want to be doing it is to move away from the "Yellow" headlights I currently have.
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It doesn't fall out, but it does kind of swivel, with a bit of persuasion.
I've had my units out plenty of times, and while it feels as if you're going to do some paintwork damage twisting them upwards and forwards, I've never so much as marked the surroundings.
They go back in place exactly - I've never experienced a change in the bulb patterning.
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My light units were a really tight fit, I stuggled to get them up and over the lip on the bumper, so I replaced the bulbs with them in the car, it was fiddly but easy.
https://i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=4654.0 (https://i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=4654.0)
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So is it not possible to change the bulbs without taking out the headlight units or removing the battery? I have pretty small hands and I managed to change them in my previous car with no problem.
There could have been more room there right enough but, not being too mechanically minded, I don't fancy removing the unit and struggling to replace it. Also, I'm a bit concerned that removing the battery will cause other power problems.
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There are only really two things to fix after reconnecting the battery -
1. re enter you preferences and prefix stations on the radio.
2. start the car, turn the steering 3/4 of the way to the left 3/4 way to the right, and then back to the middle. Then turn the power off and back on. This will recalibrate the power steering torque sensor and turn off the EPS warning light the you get after disconnecting the battery.
With small hands the headlights main and dip will be easy enough with the units in the car, but remember if you tug at the wires and they don't come off, there is a clip to push. You can't change the indicator bulbs without removing the units.
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Hey Lorian, My last car had a radio code to be entered after the battery had been reconnected, Does the i30 have this code as well???
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no...
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Ta agentr31
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lol thats ok! although its always good to check the manual!! just incase! i would hate it if yours did have a code, and you didnt have it, then had to pay to get it!!!
and you would probably curse my name for ever!!!!!!!!!
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I have checked the manual but found no reference to the radio reset code. BTW that's one thing I DON'T like about the i30, the bloody manual is a crock :evil: :evil:
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The radio definitely has no code.
I notice that 30% of the manual consists of warning texts and symbols. If you obeyed them all you'd be scared stiff to get in the car.
Anyway, the electronic (adobe) version of the manual helps, as you can search it for key words, google can find it on the web.
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Thank you so much for your pics, they helped me to do my first headlight replacement :cool:
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Thank you so much for your pics, they helped me to do my first headlight replacement :cool:
Excellent... did you remove the headlight unit or dismantle the engine bay ;)
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:rolleyes:
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Thank you so much for your pics, they helped me to do my first headlight replacement :cool:
Excellent... did you remove the headlight unit or dismantle the engine bay ;)
After some swearing I was able to remove and replace the headlight unit :D
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Excellent... did you remove the headlight unit or dismantle the engine bay ;)
After some swearing I was able to remove and replace the headlight unit :D
Dazz makes mental note to self " need to modify that thread to include this vital component of process" :lol:
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does anyone know how you can raise/lower the low beam (beside the switch in the car)
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does anyone know how you can raise/lower the low beam (beside the switch in the car)
In Australia and some other places we don't get headlight adjustment INSIDE the cabin.. so the only way for us is to tighten, loosen an adjustment screw in the body of the light.
How to do it "which one to turn and which way" is on here somewhere ... :whistler:
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That was an excellent tutorial, very well done, even a dumbo like me could follow it. You must be a teacher, a good teacher.
Thanks :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :happydance: :happydance: :happydance: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
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does anyone know how you can raise/lower the low beam (beside the switch in the car)
In Australia and some other places we don't get headlight adjustment INSIDE the cabin.. so the only way for us is to tighten, loosen an adjustment screw in the body of the light.
How to do it "which one to turn and which way" is on here somewhere ... :whistler:
i managed to find that screw and now my headlights are exactly as i wished for :)
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:goodjob:
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does anyone know how you can raise/lower the low beam (beside the switch in the car)
My really heavy mother-in-law is able to raise them if she sits in the back seat, but I have to get her to sit in the middle to make it even :lol:
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does anyone know how you can raise/lower the low beam (beside the switch in the car)
My really heavy mother-in-law is able to raise them if she sits in the back seat, but I have to get her to sit in the middle to make it even :lol:
:rofl: :goodjob:
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Having read the topics in Russian forums I learnt that it is not necessary to remove the headlight unit to change the bulb, nor it is needed to remove the accumulator, there is only one thing which should be removed - it is a tank with washing fluid. I haven't had a chance to change any bulb in my car so far since I purchased my car in January 2010 (lights are on every time), so I can't share my personal experience with you over this subject.
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i30manUK, thanks for the write up.
had to replace a bulb today and found it super easy to follow and get this job done.
the only issue i had was not being sure how much force to use when move the whole headlight assembly in and out. Not alot of force, but its not sliding in and out like butter, that's for sure :)
thanks again!
jeff
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I had to replace both of my low beam globes recently and also had no trouble
pulling out both light assemblies to replace them.
Glad I didn't go the route of dismantling bits and pieces of the car to access them
in situ from the back!!
As Shambles has always insisted, remove the whole light assembly from the front,
.......you'll be so glad you did.
Russ
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I had to replace both of my low beam globes recently and also had no trouble
pulling out both light assemblies to replace them.
Glad I didn't go the route of dismantling bits and pieces of the car to access them
in situ from the back!!
As Shambles has always insisted, remove the whole light assembly from the front,
.......you'll be so glad you did.
Russ
I couldn't pull my one out, although I managed to unlatch it. Some one claims that the bumper's upper bolts have to be loosened prior to removing headlight. Anyway, as I said, it is no need to remove it to change a low beam bulb.
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Just wanted to say thanks. I had to do this today and after readfing this took me all of 10 min.
Only difference I had is that the 2010 does not swiffel out but comes out completely.
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:goodjob:
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I've upgraded my H7 bulbs easily enough, could unclip the H1s no problem either. But the sidelight wouldn't pull out, felt like it was welded in there! Is there a clip I am missing - black plastic unit the bulb sits in appeared to have a couple of notches....
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I've upgraded my H7 bulbs easily enough, could unclip the H1s no problem either. But the sidelight wouldn't pull out, felt like it was welded in there! Is there a clip I am missing - black plastic unit the bulb sits in appeared to have a couple of notches....
Bump!
I had to replace the low beam yesterday (some swearing ensued, given the manual didn't specify what type of bulbs, just wattage).
I bought Narva Arctic Blue (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/NARVA-Arctic-Blue-Globe-H7-12V-55W.aspx?pid=287157&menuFrom=40101#Cross) from Supercheap, and as they come with some blue tinted park (position) T10 wedge bulbs, I was going to change them, but had the similar problem as Rochdale Pioneers... really difficult to pull out, so I gave up (given I'd faffed about in the carpark outside SCA for ages, and needed to get back to work! :whistler:)
What's the trick with these holders??
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I'd remove the complete headlight unit to give you better access, this only takes a few minutes.....
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Got that - it's removing the holder for the T10 that's the issue.
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I just ripped my headlight out to check and the parking light holder just pulls out...hardly any effort required at all on my 2010 FD... :undecided: :whistler:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/ParkingLight2_zps36f37527.jpg~original)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/rustynutz69/ParkingLight1_zps5e3ca6f6.jpg~original)
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Huh! :head_butt:
At least from the photo I now can see what I'm up against.
I just ripped my headlight out to check ...
as you do! :thanks: :hatoff:
edit: where did you buy your LEDs from?
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Glad I could be of some help, Skiffie! :D
I got my LEDs from :link: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/170729527343?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
I also posted a thread at the time of fitment.... https://i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=15577.msg170776#msg170776 (https://i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=15577.msg170776#msg170776)
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and....... bought! :P
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:goodjob:
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/xp.png)
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/xp.png)
Very good! 8 out of 10.. the button doesn't work (I tried it) :-[
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:rofl: :rofl: So did I :rofl: :rofl:
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It's not so much the finances, more like death by wife.
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The whole process of changing the H7 low beam and T10 park lights takes less than 30 min each side.
To take out the front park bulb (t10) just use thin pliers and pull the base out, you can also do it by hand they should come out quite easily.
I replaced them with blue LED T10 W5W and they look like this: (if they do not light up reverse them as they have polarity - make sure to do that BEFORE you put the light frame back on):
I got them from ebay :link: 2 X Blue T10 LED Light Bulbs W5W 194 168 501 Dash Park Interior Number Plate | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-X-Blue-T10-LED-Light-Bulbs-W5W-194-168-501-Dash-Park-Interior-Number-Plate-/231071936338?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35ccf5ef52)
and the H7 bulbs are so expensive in Australia in retails stores, even the Narva's from supercheapauto are close to $50 dollars. I got these from ebay: :link: Hyundai I30 Grandeur Sonata Terracan H7 12V 55W Globes Xenon Headlight Bulbs | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251410096699?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Here is the end result:
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Nice, but is the blue legal and how does the brightness and throw compare with the originals? I Like bright white light... :goodjob:
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Just put a set of Narva's in Lila, 30 mins per side, too. $35.00 @ Sprint Auto Parts, Adelaide 25% off apparantly.
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The H7 seems legal - It has a slight blue tint to it but not different from any other cars that I have seen on the roads. I certainly haven't been pulled over yet
if I do I will let you know. :razz: As for the brightness I would say it is about the same. The H7 bulbs I bought are not brighter than the originals however
they are not darker either. The blue/white tint is easier on the eyes to me personally.
As for the LED park lights I believe any colour should be okay? You can get them in any colour you like including white. The W5W T10 bulb I bought comes with
5 LEDs however I have seen the brighter ones with 9 LEDs on ebay.
REGARDS
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Those low beams look a definite blue colour and would in fact be illegal.
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I have fitted XTec 27 watt 881 fog lamp bulbs to my i30 and rewired as DRLs. The light is extrememly white and looks almost HID.
I am now ordering some H7s for the dipped beam to see (!) how they look.
<snipped>
Seems OZ prices are a bit steeper than the UK even for Japanese bulbs.
BTW the 881 DRLs are on all the time during daylight and one failed after thirty months use the other is still going..
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I have fitted XTec 27 watt 881 fog lamp bulbs to my i30 and rewired as DRLs. The light is extrememly white and looks almost HID.
I am now ordering some H7s for the dipped beam to see (!) how they look.
Seems OZ prices are a bit steeper than the UK even for Japanese bulbs.
BTW the 881 DRLs are on all the time during daylight and one failed after thirty months use the other is still going..
Aren't the DRL's supposed to be LED's :confused: Fog's are not supposed to be used as DRL's due to energy use and heat output.
Just to let you know the store link you attached also leads to a Phishing attempt from justuno.com ( rated as dangerous ) :eek:
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Just to let you know the store link you attached also leads to a Phishing attempt from justuno.com ( rated as dangerous ) :eek:
Confirmed that there is suspicious stuff on that store link. Thanks for the report.
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Your welcome :)
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It's not a link problem but the website you are pointing it to is hosting malicious content from justuno.com please remove the link and stop posting it.
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It's not a link problem but the website you are pointing it to is hosting malicious content from justuno.com please remove the link and stop posting it.
Deleted post until i've looked into it further.
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That explains why the post with the link removed I was saving had suddenly disappeared. :lol:
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It's not a link problem but the website you are pointing it to is hosting malicious content from justuno.com please remove the link and stop posting it.
Deleted post until i've looked into it further.
Thankyou, here is a pic of what is part of the hidden content on that website.
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That explains why the post with the link removed I was saving had suddenly disappeared. :lol:
I don't know what is going on. I can load that link and the website direct without any warnings.
If you want to follow up try
www (dot) hids-direct (dot) co (dot) uk and search H7 xexon bulbs or 881 bulbs if you want fog lamp bulbs..
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Problem is, there's a covert script in a frame on that page. When using firefox I can right-click the page to view the source, and it hangs up my system.
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I don't know what is going on. I can load that link and the website direct without any warnings.
Yes of course you can but unless you are running the correct type of software to detect these anomalies you would never know, this is how most people end up with infected systems now days from Drive by attacks and phishing links, I don't recommend for you to keep returning to that website due to the malicious scripts contained on that website.
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That explains why the post with the link removed I was saving had suddenly disappeared. :lol:
I don't know what is going on. I can load that link and the website direct without any warnings.
If you want to follow up try
www (dot) hids-direct (dot) co (dot) uk and search H7 xexon bulbs or 881 bulbs if you want fog lamp bulbs..
My post refers to Craig deleting the post when I was in the process of editing out the link. We were both moderating at the same time. ;)
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Yes of course you can but unless you are running the correct type of software to detect these anomalies you would never know, this is how most people end up with infected systems now days from Drive by attacks and phishing links, I don't recommend for you to keep returning to that website due to the malicious scripts contained on that website.
So what "correct type" software do I need? Running three full scans of different malware and anti-virus finds nothing
Having used the linked site again last night, both directly and via a 'tinyurl' link as I originally posted, and repeated it today, right clicking the page as Shambles has done shows nothing out of the ordinary.
Going directly to the website of the' infection' (justuno) it appears to be a perfectly legitimate company.
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Why would you re-visit this site after being informed of the Malvertising and Phishing link hidden scripts contained on their website let alone go direct to the scripting provider :disapp:
Note that the first site you linked was rated dangerous with hidden scripts, going direct to justuno.com is rated as "critical" from my tests.
A good antivirus with an efficient web shield that can pre-scan websites/http links for malicious content would only partially help your cause, additional programs such as Adguard who's sole purpose is to detect such anomalies and are capable of scanning http and https plus auto blocking of known malicious sites and content and give detailed information of detections.
Malwarebytes paid version "malicious website protection" can also help in stoping a lot of these nasties getting through if your AV fails to detect.
Remember the best and first defence for a computer on the net is the person operating it :wink:
My apologies to all for the off topic subject matter.
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Why would you re-visit this site after being informed of the Malvertising and Phishing link hidden scripts contained on their website let alone go direct to the scripting provider :disapp:
Remember the best and first defence for a computer on the net is the person operating it :wink:
The website concerned sells vehicle parts, and must be used by many people some of whom, it seems, you are suggesting must have now infected their computers. I have again, today, used it directly, to order bulbs and a second time, via a fleabay link, (cheaper that way) to order more items. So far, nothing untoward coming up. So, how do I detect these particular hidden scripts?
And should I inform them that you are advising people not to use it or just that their website is dodgy?
I am no computer geek, far from it, but I do understand the principle that you put forward in your last sentence and have always tried to follow it.
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You can inform them of the suspect scripting on their website if you wish, they may not even realise it or they could possibly allow for a price those scrips to be put there for advertising and data collection.