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GENERAL STUFF => GENERAL DISCUSSIONS => Random Chit Chat => Topic started by: mudling on March 10, 2010, 08:56:25
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Was driving back from the Sunshine coast this afternoon with my dad in my car. He was driving, so when we pulled over at a servo he offered to fill her up. We made it about 500 metres down the road before the car stalled.
RACQ turned up half an hour later and discovered it was filled with petrol! It had been flashing on Empty, so that's a completely full tank of petrol in there; $70 worth.
Because it was getting too late, we had it towed to my house so we can arrange to 'fix the problem' tomorrow. It was so depressing watching the towtruck driver loading it up on the front lawn. I have no idea how much this is going to cost, and it's really bad timing because I just lost my wallet last week with all my cash.
Poor car, I've only had it a few weeks. So sad! :'( :'( :'(
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:eek: i honestly dont know wat to say. :mad:
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sory to hear that m8.
good luck
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you may drain it out and it will be ok after putting in diesel.
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So easy to do especially when tired and at night.
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That's really bad news mate. Unlucky :'(
you may drain it out and it will be ok after putting in diesel.
Sadly I think that's not the case as the engine's been started and driven a distance :'(
Diesel fuel pumps operate on very fine tolerances and are lubricated by the diesel fuel itself. Petrol in diesel acts as a solvent – it reduces lubrication and can cause damage to the pump through metal to metal contact.
Our CRDi diesel engines are particularly vulnerable – if fuel contaminated by pump wear debris gets as far as the common rail system you may have to replace the low and high-pressure fuel pumps, injectors, fuel rail, line filters and the fuel tank too.
Check with your dealership about the warranty too; it may now be invalid :-[ :'(
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:eek: :'(
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Hi Mudling..
Very sorry to hear your dilemma.. I did the same thing a month or two ago..Fortunately I didn't start our car..
Cost me $65 for the wasted petrol plus $130 for labour to drain it and clean the tank out..
What Shambles has said is worst case scenario.. hope your 2010 improves..sounds like a horror start... :'(
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Check with your dealership about the warranty too; it may now be invalid :-[ :'(
Not sure I would want to say anything to the dealership if it was me, especially if it could cause a warranty issue :eek:
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Well I called my insurance company, and what do you know, they cover this sort of thing! It's quite common lol. I'm happy to pay the excess fee and let them take care of it. I'm stressing less now.
In the future I just won't let other people fill up my car. I suppose I should've paid more attention to what they were doing just in case, so in a way I'm partly responsible.
Browsing the RACQ Online Shop, their Diesel Misfuelling Device (https://secure.racq.com.au/ssl/shopV2/shop_main.cfm?shop_categoryno=53) for 70 bucks would've been a lifesaver. ;)
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I'm glad you are covered. It worried me a lot I might misfuel until I bought a device to keep me in check.
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Well I called my insurance company, and what do you know, they cover this sort of thing!
Well you are one lucky guy :D
Make sure the whole system is cleared down.. gotta make good use of that excess fee :) Will you be having the injectors and fuel pumps tested?
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Well I called my insurance company, and what do you know, they cover this sort of thing! It's quite common lol. I'm happy to pay the excess fee and let them take care of it. I'm stressing less now.
In the future I just won't let other people fill up my car. I suppose I should've paid more attention to what they were doing just in case, so in a way I'm partly responsible.
Browsing the RACQ Online Shop, their Diesel Misfuelling Device (https://secure.racq.com.au/ssl/shopV2/shop_main.cfm?shop_categoryno=53) for 70 bucks would've been a lifesaver. ;)
Think I would be tempted to take this route as well, as long as the impact on my insurance premiums were not affected too much.
If they have to replace anything like the fuel filter, I would try and make sure they get original Hyundai parts as well.
Hope you gave your Dad a good telling off and told him he will have to pay for it :lol:
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Well I called my insurance company, and what do you know, they cover this sort of thing! It's quite common lol. I'm happy to pay the excess fee and let them take care of it. I'm stressing less now.
In the future I just won't let other people fill up my car. I suppose I should've paid more attention to what they were doing just in case, so in a way I'm partly responsible.
Browsing the RACQ Online Shop, their Diesel Misfuelling Device (https://secure.racq.com.au/ssl/shopV2/shop_main.cfm?shop_categoryno=53) for 70 bucks would've been a lifesaver. ;)
Think I would be tempted to take this route as well, as long as the impact on my insurance premiums were not affected too much.
If they have to replace anything like the fuel filter, I would try and make sure they get original Hyundai parts as well.
Hope you gave your Dad a good telling off and told him he will have to pay for it :lol:
can you get aftermarket fuel filters for the diesel?
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I’m not sure that you could, just thought it was best to mention in case.
Because if mudling is having the car repaired away from the dealership, I just think it is probably best that they don’t know was has happened and been done.
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Although I've had my diesel for 2.5 years I still do a quick double check before I pull the nozzle lever up and check the hose from the nozzle does go to the diesel pump.
Here we have multi pumps and its been known for kids to swap the nozzles around. :lol:
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... its been known for kids to swap the nozzles around. :lol:
So that happens not just round Manchester then :rolleyes:
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Well I called my insurance company, and what do you know, they cover this sort of thing! It's quite common lol. I'm happy to pay the excess fee and let them take care of it. I'm stressing less now.
Great news .. I was quite upset by your dilemma... :mrgreen:
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Well I called my insurance company, and what do you know, they cover this sort of thing! It's quite common lol. I'm happy to pay the excess fee and let them take care of it. I'm stressing less now.
Great news .. I was quite upset by your dilemma... :mrgreen:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Could have been worse...hubby put around 200 litres of petrol in our diesel 4x4 :lol: Good thing your insurance co is paying up.
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Well jsut read u'r post...glad that your insurance covers it...well good luck... :)
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hubby put around 200 litres of petrol in our diesel 4x4
44 gallons?
some size of a 4x4
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hubby put around 200 litres of petrol in our diesel 4x4
44 gallons?
some size of a 4x4
Mel must be older than she types (lol) we went metric in about 1974? 44 = 200lt but you need that in a 4X4 to get anywhere in the bush, not many servo's.
i like to use Caltex Vortex Diesel so i'm always looking for servo's selling that when i fill up so doubt i would miss fuel. but as they say anything is possible.
cheers
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Who are you calling old? :lol: The vehicle had a long-range tank in it. Basically meant we could go from Newman to Perth without stopping for fuel (depending of course on what speed hubby drove at).
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Who are you calling old? :lol: The vehicle had a long-range tank in it. Basically meant we could go from Newman to Perth without stopping for fuel (depending of course on what speed hubby drove at).
Just like todays formula 1 as they can refuel during the race :lol:
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Who are you calling old? :lol: The vehicle had a long-range tank in it. Basically meant we could go from Newman to Perth without stopping for fuel (depending of course on what speed hubby drove at).
Just like todays formula 1 as they can refuel during the race :lol:
T
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Just like todays formula 1 as they can refuel during the race :lol:
:eek: no they can't, that's why it's become a farce imho
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Just like todays formula 1 as they can refuel during the race :lol:
:eek: no they can't, that's why it's become a farce imho
Didn't watch it as had mothering day duties.
Did anyone run out of fuel?
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Well I'm carless for the next week or two while it's getting fixed. By coincidence, the insurance company sent it to the place where I just bought it, and where I plan on doing all it's servicing anyway. I don't really know what's happening with it at the moment, just know they're waiting on parts from Melbourne. I know they're replacing the fuel line and fuel pump, not sure what else. I'll be curious to find out more when I get it back.
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Well I'm carless for the next week or two while it's getting fixed. By coincidence, the insurance company sent it to the place where I just bought it, and where I plan on doing all it's servicing anyway. I don't really know what's happening with it at the moment, just know they're waiting on parts from Melbourne. I know they're replacing the fuel line and fuel pump, not sure what else. I'll be curious to find out more when I get it back.
Sounds like they are doing a proper job then, good news.
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do you get a loan car while waiting for repairs?
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Picked the car up today, after just a week. Total cost came to $1,080 (nearly half of that labour though). I'd read horror stories of costs going into the thousands so I'm pretty happy about it.
According to the invoice five types of parts were replaced. Not being mechanically minded, the list doesn't mean much to me though.
- Part of the fuel pump ("tube-pump to rail"?)
- Fuel line
- Filter cartridge
- 2 x tube fuel rail
- 2 x tube rail to injection
So sort of a happy ending. I'm just glad I can still smile about the whole thing. :wink:
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Glad to see you got your car back :D
I know that Ford in the UK has a misfuelling system on their cars. It should be done by all manufacturers. You would think the insurance companies would put pressure on the manufacturers to do it.
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I know that Ford in the UK has a misfuelling system on their cars.
Any info on how this works?
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Ford easyfuel has no cap, and has a physial flap that opens mechanically when the right sized pipe is inserted. Its a neat solution. There was one aftermarket product "available" for the i30 with almost the same design. I tried to buy one but the manufacturer messed me around for four weeks and then stopped replying to emails.
Ford EasyFuel:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2183356350_b7d1e9a5c9.jpg)
After reviewing manufacturer information on the other 4 or 5 devices available for the i30 in the UK I bought the DDN (Fuel angel) device. It's robust and does the job, but it is chrome and has an orange plastic cap. This looks a bit naff, but you can't see it when the fuel flap is shut.
Some of the things to keep in mind when buying such a device is:
o Has is it been tested by someone like Thatcham or Mira
o Does it seal properly if the car is inverted
o Does it allow full flow filling
o Is it robust
The DDN device was the only one that I could actually buy with the Hyundai fuel filler thread that met these to my satisfaction. Like I said it looks a bit naff though. The other side effect is the nozzle doesn't go in quite as far as with not device, but this has not proved to br a problem. It may be a problem adding some additives, but the miller ecomax comes with the right sized pipe on the bottle.
It works by having internal splines in the cap that only allow the right sized pipe in. There are less moving parts than in some of the solutions.
Keep in mind that you may also need a fuel can with the right sized pipe to be able to fiill up away from a garage forecourt. In later focus ford have included an adapter funnel thing for emergencies. It would be possible (but not very easy) to remove the DDN device.
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I am a bit lost as to how any device would prevent you from filling with a petrol nozzle. At the majority of the fuel stations I have visited, excepting the fast flow pumps, the nozzle on petrol pumps and diesel pumps are the same size. Given that, how would any device stop you from filling with the wrong fuel.
The bigger nozzle on the fast fill pumps won't fit into a smaller petrol inlet making it impossible to fill a petrol tank with diesel in these intances (even without a special device). However, that is not the case with the pumps I mentioned above.
Bob
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Hi Bob
Over here the ULP nozzle is narrower than the diesel. Such a device as shown would not allow a narrow nozzle into the filler neck; it would take the width of a diesel nozzle to engage the edge flaps which open the fuelling gate.
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Hi Bob
Over here the ULP nozzle is narrower than the diesel. Such a device as shown would not allow a narrow nozzle into the filler neck; it would take the width of a diesel nozzle to engage the edge flaps which open the fuelling gate.
Some simple but clever engineering...
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I think I'll by a battery car next time
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god no. I get scared charging small 7v Lipos.
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i still think a lable that says either petrol or diesel stuck on the inside of the fuel door/flap may stop the missfueling,or at least slow it down. :idea:
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i still think a lable that says either petrol or diesel stuck on the inside of the fuel door/flap ...
Sorry mate, can't see that working...
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/ShamblesX/90f26e8a.jpg)
:lol: and no I'm not stalking you :P
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LOL nice.
Though in my case, the misfuelling didn't happen because anyone forgot what fuel to use. He grabbed a nozzle from the pump right next to to the diesel pump. It said Vortex 98 and he thought he had the right one. :rolleyes:
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Inside the flap on my car it says - Diesel Only
On the actual screw top it says diesel.
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This is just the reason why we have had two diesel cars for 5 years already.
This way neither of us, nor the kids, who use the cars, should not fumble with fuel.
Here in Finland all the pumps have green heads on petrol outlets and black on diesel, so with even a little alertness, accidents should not happen.
But they do, apparently.
On an armor museum near to us, the personnel told me that they have arranged to receive the results of misfillings, mixtures of petrol and diesel. The WWII vintage tanks they operate, whether T-34 diesel, or Stug IIIG Maybach petrol, are not that picky about the fuel and will run on about anything on their "action days". Those old machines may smoke just a bit more than usual, but that's all...
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i still think a lable that says either petrol or diesel stuck on the inside of the fuel door/flap may stop the missfueling,or at least slow it down. :idea:
I have a lable which says in bold letters - DIESEL ONLY
Also, on the screw filler cap is the word DIESEL
Is this not a feature on Oz i30's?
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I have a lable which says in bold letters - DIESEL ONLY
Also, on the screw filler cap is the word DIESEL
Is this not a feature on Oz i30's?
It is a feature of the Diesel over here (so I had no real excuse.. :-[)
Because 2130s has 2 petrol models he probably didn't realise that (as i don't think it says NOT diesel on his...) :wink:
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your rite dazz,our cars dont say on the fuel door petrol only,i noticed that accims cw says diesel on the fuel door.ours has nothing,not even on the cap. :rolleyes: